Cats Are the Unseen Rulers of the World (was Re: Politics (was RE:BOFHs requiring license))

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Alex Gough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get

RE: like a phoenix from the flames

2001-05-15 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:49 PM On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:35:44PM +0100, Natalie Ford wrote: At 09:58 14/05/01, James Powell wrote: The Perl Journal arrived this morning... Mine too! You read Dave's article and the credits at the end of

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:43PM +0100, Natalie Ford wrote: At 15:09 14/05/01, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Please, would you take the politics elsewhere? Some of us really don't give a shit either way. Hear hear! I am getting tired of hitting delete... :) procmail++ If anybody wants a hand

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Personally I find discussion of politics more interesting than American TV shows about vampires. I enjoy aspects of the thread about politics, but get bored when it all goes down old roads. However what i'd really hate is any restrictions placed

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Philip Newton
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: and before simon gets there: use Mail::Audit; To which Johan Vromans would probably reply: use Mail::Procmail; Chacun à son goût. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the

RE: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] However what i'd really hate is any restrictions placed on the topics of London.pm , politics should be just as welcome as BtVS. Or, even, Perl :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:57:03AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: and before simon gets there: use Mail::Audit; Mail::Audit is for *weaklings*. My first act as Benevolent Dictator will be to ban it, and mandate procmail. I have been discussing this with my soon-to-be-announced Post

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread will
- Original Message - From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:10 AM Subject: Re: Enough! Mail::Audit is for *weaklings*. My first act as Benevolent Dictator will be to ban it, and mandate procmail. I have been discussing this with my

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Philip Newton
David Cantrell wrote: a delightfully Heath-Robinson mechanical whatsit which will clip on to the inside of your letter box, and will reject spam with GREAT VENGEANCE and FURY. For GREAT JUSTICE. Cheers, Phi how do smurfs make little smurfs? lip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I enjoy aspects of the thread about politics, but get bored when it all goes down old roads. However what i'd really hate is any restrictions placed on the topics of London.pm , politics should be just as welcome as BtVS. It is with me. -- Dave

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: a delightfully Heath-Robinson mechanical whatsit which will clip on to the inside of your letter box, and will reject spam with GREAT VENGEANCE and FURY. But you're missing a critical feature. If the thoughtful Spam M[oi]ngers

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] However what i'd really hate is any restrictions placed on the topics of London.pm , politics should be just as welcome as BtVS. Or, even, Perl :) Oh, please, we have *some*

Log::Agent

2001-05-15 Thread Mark Fowler
Has anyone used Log::Agent, or for that matter any of the other logging modules? I'm just looking for a consistent way to do logging. I've got a wheel that I reinvented, but it's a very simple one (no tyre or inner tube yet) and before I make any improvements I was just wondering if it was time

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for snail-mail. I want a procphone. -- VMS must die!

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:33:07AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for snail-mail. I want a procphone. Now that's reasonably feasible. Tap the incoming audio

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread James Powell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:49:18AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:33:07AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for snail-mail. I want a

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect. No; many people withhold automatically, it a

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones. --

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:22:35PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones. The particularly (interesting|annoying) bit is that recent phones have hardware capabilities sufficent for a procphone - same code as

JOB: There's one going here!!!

2001-05-15 Thread Leo Lapworth
I thought there might be some people out there interested in this. Please contact Ed directly, but feel free to ask me questions (off list or on IRC) if you want, I've been here 3 weeks. Cheers Leo CLOUDBAND.COM LIMITED = Cloudband was set up in 1998 to provide online

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. Now *this*

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:30:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: The particularly (interesting|annoying) bit is that recent phones have hardware capabilities sufficent for a procphone - same code as does the voice dialling. Ho hmm... Nokia appealing to Linux coders to help with their new

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:30:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Ho hum. If I wasn't trying to get some work done, I'd grab sphinx and write some code. One of the things I plan to do on my way around America after TPC is sit down with Kevin and DHD and start writing some funky robots. sphinx +

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:38:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones. nokia 9210 Bleh, wearable and a GSM card. Martin

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread James Powell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote: No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off). I suppose it could go to answerphone. Caller detect doesn't work for international

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote: No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off). I suppose it could go to answerphone.

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:25:23PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either. Untrue. When I get calls from friends in Sweden I can see who they are. And when I get calls from Japan, which happens about

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:25:23PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either. Untrue. When I get calls from friends in Sweden I can see who they are. And

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:48:26PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. ??? ... its simple. If they choose to withhold their number I choose to reject their call. Okay, whatever, I don't, it's an *option*. Martin

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote: No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off). I suppose it could go to answerphone.

Re: (Ab)Using substr

2001-05-15 Thread Marcel Grunauer
On Thursday, May 10, 2001, at 12:24 PM, Robin Houston wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:16:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: #!/usr/bin/perl -w # how to (ab)use substr use strict; my $pi='3.14159210535152623346475240375062163750446240333543375062'; Well,

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 15 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote: No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 12:48 15/05/01 +0100, you wrote: extension number. I simply don't want people phoning me up who refuse to own up to who they are before they invade my privacy. This response inspired by not directed at previous poster i.e. not personal Yeah, me neither. Damn strangers, I don't talk to

Privacy, its their choice! ( was Re: Enough!)

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. And if it's withheld,

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robert Shiels
From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] well .. I believe you have extended the analogy just a little bit too far :) . .the main reason _I_ decline to answer 'withheld number' calls is because almost every single one is a halfwit trying to sell me insurance/glazing/burglar alarms/toilet roll

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Steve Mynott
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.

One liner

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Probably all you people who program for a living think this is [crap/obvious/can be done in 3 bytes] but I liked it: $|++; print qw(\ | / -)[$i%4].\r; $|--; Put a spinning progress thing in your loops... -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

T-Shirts

2001-05-15 Thread Robert Shiels
I was just wondering, have the secret T-shirt designs been sent off to the printers yet ? The reason I ask is that I'd really like one of them to be Hitch-Hiker related; or maybe we could have a special run of ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha.PM shirts done. -- Robert

RE: T-Shirts

2001-05-15 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:23 PM I was just wondering, have the secret T-shirt designs been sent off to the printers yet ? The reason I ask is that I'd really like one of them to be Hitch-Hiker related; or maybe we could have a special run of ZZ9

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect. No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. And me refusing to

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:38:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones. nokia 9210 Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:15:57PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote: No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off). I suppose it could

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:08:31PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:38:26PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Ok, so you should have said Caller detect doesn't work for some international calls either. But, you see, if a call ID is withheld, you can't tell whether they're

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:09:47PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: yeah .. thats fine .. it doesn't work from creaky old strowger exchanges either (are there any of those left ? ) but there is a subtle difference between 'number withheld' and 'number

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:00:28PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: I have worked as a telemarketer, so feel a bit sorry for them as it's a shit job, so I just say No thanks and hang up. You can buy these little devices that emit a canned request to be removed from the lists which these people are

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: nokia 9210 Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium. I know someone who knows someone who has a test model - I'll prod on programmability. Martin

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: nokia 9210 Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium. I know someone who knows someone who has a test model - I'll prod on programmability. Greg has (had?) one to