Cats Are the Unseen Rulers of the World (was Re: Politics (was RE:BOFHs requiring license))

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Alex Gough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church.  Any
   volunteers for my other minions?  Even if you don't want a cabinet
   post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman.  You'll get 25 days
   holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench.
  
 
  ... Before I kill you, Mr Bond, I want you to sign this confession of your
  own incompetance using your ordinary looking pen.
 
  action type=strokes naked cat
 

 What do you mean `naked'? As in one of those freaky hairless ones? Or
 are you in the habit of dressing your cats up in little outfits? Do lots
 of people dress their cats up? Is there a GAP for cats? Complete with
 irritatingly happy cats dancing to 70s and 80s pop music?


There are some people down the road who have Cornish Rexx Cats - those
ones that look like chihuahua dogs with big heads that look astonishingly
like those of the classic whitley stryder grey aliens.  Coincidence ?  I
think not.


/J\




RE: like a phoenix from the flames

2001-05-15 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:49 PM

 On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:35:44PM +0100, Natalie Ford wrote:
  At 09:58 14/05/01, James Powell wrote:
  The Perl Journal arrived this morning...
  
  Mine too!  You read Dave's article and the credits at the end of
Damian's? :)
 
 It will come as no surprise to any of yhou that mine hasn't arrived :-)

Ah. I'd _missed_ those emails. It's a bit like the first cuckoo of spring :)

But they've only just started to appear in the UK. I haven't seen mine yet.
Not that it's important or anything - I just wrote an article for the bloody
thing.

Dave...

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:43PM +0100, Natalie Ford wrote:
 At 15:09 14/05/01, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Please, would you take the politics elsewhere? Some of us really don't
 give a shit either way.
 
 Hear hear!  I am getting tired of hitting delete... :)

procmail++

If anybody wants a hand getting it set up to autofilter mail, give me a
shout.

-Dom



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Personally I find discussion of politics more interesting than
 American TV shows about vampires.
 

I enjoy aspects of the thread about politics, but get bored when it
all goes down old roads. However what i'd really hate is any 
restrictions placed on the topics of London.pm , politics should
be just as welcome as BtVS.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Philip Newton

Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 and before simon gets there:
 
 use Mail::Audit;

To which Johan Vromans would probably reply:

use Mail::Procmail;

Chacun à son goût.

Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



RE: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 However what i'd really hate is any restrictions placed 
 on the topics of London.pm , politics should be just as 
 welcome as BtVS.

Or, even, Perl :)

Dave...

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:57:03AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:

 and before simon gets there:
 
 use Mail::Audit;

Mail::Audit is for *weaklings*.  My first act as Benevolent Dictator will
be to ban it, and mandate procmail.  I have been discussing this with my
soon-to-be-announced Post and Telecoms Advisor, and we are considering
funding the development of a procmail-a-like for snail-mail.  It will be
a delightfully Heath-Robinson mechanical whatsit which will clip on to
the inside of your letter box, and will reject spam with GREAT VENGEANCE
and FURY.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread will

- Original Message -
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: Enough!


 Mail::Audit is for *weaklings*.  My first act as Benevolent Dictator will
 be to ban it, and mandate procmail.  I have been discussing this with my
 soon-to-be-announced Post and Telecoms Advisor, and we are considering
 funding the development of a procmail-a-like for snail-mail.  It will be
 a delightfully Heath-Robinson mechanical whatsit which will clip on to
 the inside of your letter box, and will reject spam with GREAT VENGEANCE
 and FURY.

A starving cat in a cage suspended just inside the letterbox trained to
associate the smell of Jehova's witnesses and doubleglazing salesmen with
hungry dog.

Been done before.




Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Philip Newton

David Cantrell wrote:
 a delightfully Heath-Robinson mechanical whatsit which will clip on to
 the inside of your letter box, and will reject spam with 
 GREAT VENGEANCE and FURY.

For GREAT JUSTICE.

Cheers,
Phi how do smurfs make little smurfs? lip
-- 
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I enjoy aspects of the thread about politics, but get bored when it
 all goes down old roads. However what i'd really hate is any 
 restrictions placed on the topics of London.pm , politics should
 be just as welcome as BtVS.

It is with me.


-- 
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 
 a delightfully Heath-Robinson mechanical whatsit which will clip on to
 the inside of your letter box, and will reject spam with GREAT VENGEANCE
 and FURY.

But you're missing a critical feature. If the thoughtful Spam M[oi]ngers
are kind enough to include a freepost return envelope, the machine
should carefully tear up all the accompanying glossies and return them
in it at their expense.

For great justice...


Martin



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  However what i'd really hate is any restrictions placed 
  on the topics of London.pm , politics should be just as 
  welcome as BtVS.
 
 Or, even, Perl :)

Oh, please, we have *some* standards.

-Dom



Log::Agent

2001-05-15 Thread Mark Fowler

Has anyone used Log::Agent, or for that matter any of the other logging
modules?

I'm just looking for a consistent way to do logging.  I've got a wheel
that I reinvented, but it's a very simple one (no tyre or inner tube yet)
and before I make any improvements I was just wondering if it was time to
switch to one of the established brand of wheel manufactures.

Recommendations anyone?

(look, a perl question)

Later.

Mark.




Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for
 snail-mail.

I want a procphone.

-- 
VMS must die!



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:33:07AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
  we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for
  snail-mail.
 
 I want a procphone.

Now that's reasonably feasible. Tap the incoming audio signal and feed
it to Viavoice + Perl. Have the phone be automatically answered with a
recording of your own voice saying 'Hello?'. Feed the conversation out
to speakers for your interception and amusement - if you want to take
the call, just pick up - otherwise, the script will listen for key
phrases in the incoming response ('double glazing', 'market research',
etc, etc...) and immediately on recieving one deliver a pre-recorded
appropriate rant before hanging up. With a little more advancement, it
could be got to respond to some simple fore-spam ('Can I speak to ...' /
'speaking', etc).

Hmm. I like it, wonder if the software's up to it though.


Martin



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread James Powell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:49:18AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:33:07AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  
  On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
   we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for
   snail-mail.
  
  I want a procphone.
 
 Now that's reasonably feasible. Tap the incoming audio signal and feed
 it to Viavoice + Perl. Have the phone be automatically answered with a
 recording of your own voice saying 'Hello?'. Feed the conversation out
 to speakers for your interception and amusement - if you want to take
 the call, just pick up - otherwise, the script will listen for key
 phrases in the incoming response ('double glazing', 'market research',
 etc, etc...) and immediately on recieving one deliver a pre-recorded
 appropriate rant before hanging up. With a little more advancement, it
 could be got to respond to some simple fore-spam ('Can I speak to ...' /
 'speaking', etc).
 
 Hmm. I like it, wonder if the software's up to it though.

Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.

My girlfriend got her first SMS spam the other week... all it said
was call this number 2320340 324 CompName EX7 TL7 (or similar).

jp





Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
 
 Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.

Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.

 And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.

No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 

 My girlfriend got her first SMS spam the other week... all it said
 was call this number 2320340 324 CompName EX7 TL7 (or similar).

Odd. Most of the ones I've seen are filthy.


Martin



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
  Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
 Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.

Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones.

-- 
Be not anxious about what you have, but about what you are.
-- Pope St. Gregory I



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:22:35PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 
  Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
 
 Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones.

The particularly (interesting|annoying) bit is that recent phones have
hardware capabilities sufficent for a procphone - same code as does the
voice dialling.

Ho hum. If I wasn't trying to get some work done, I'd grab sphinx and
write some code.


Martin



JOB: There's one going here!!!

2001-05-15 Thread Leo Lapworth

I thought there might be some people out there
interested in this.

Please contact Ed directly, but feel free to ask me 
questions (off list or on IRC) if you want, I've been here 3 weeks.

Cheers

Leo


CLOUDBAND.COM LIMITED
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the international art and antiques business - carpets, texiles, Asian and
tribal art. The company has 20 employees in its premises in Fitzroy Square,
London W1. Staff include a number of  prominent figures from the specialist
marketplace as well as a software team of 5. All software development is
done in-house, using tools including mod_perl, mason and postgres in a linux
environment.

Job Description: Web Developer
==

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- Enhancements to Arcade product such as Featured Items
- Directory Product
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- modPerl / Apache internals
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Possibilities exist for training and / or skills development in:
- programming languages
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If you would like to know more, please write, with your CV, to
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Thank you.




Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
   Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
  Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
 
 Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones.

nokia 9210

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:30:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 
 The particularly (interesting|annoying) bit is that recent phones have
 hardware capabilities sufficent for a procphone - same code as does the
 voice dialling.

Ho hmm... Nokia appealing to Linux coders to help with their new
set-top boxes, saying We are convinced that openness is the way
forward. So, you'll be letting us at the firmware for this nice little
phone then...


Martin



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:30:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 Ho hum. If I wasn't trying to get some work done, I'd grab sphinx and
 write some code.

One of the things I plan to do on my way around America after TPC is sit
down with Kevin and DHD and start writing some funky robots. sphinx +
infobot + reefknot + festival -- why hire a secretary when you can write
one? :)

-- 
An algorithm must be seen to be believed.
-- D.E. Knuth



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:38:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
  Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones.
 
 nokia 9210

Bleh, wearable and a GSM card.


Martin



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread James Powell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
  
  Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
 
 Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
 
  And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.
 
 No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 
 

That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off).
I suppose it could go to answerphone.



jp



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
  
  Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
 
 Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
 
  And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.
 
 No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 

??? ... its simple. If they choose to withhold their number I choose to
reject their call. they can always dial code to release their number if
they choose. Many large organisations have an alternate presentation
number so you get the number of the switchboard ratehr than the office
extension number.  I simply don't want people phoning me up who refuse to
own up to who they are before they invade my privacy.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
  No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 
 That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off).
 I suppose it could go to answerphone.

Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.

-- 
but I'm one guy working weekends - what the hell is MS's excuse?
We don't care, we don't have to, we're the phone company.
- Ben Jemmet, Paul Tomblin.



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
   No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 
  That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off).
  I suppose it could go to answerphone.
 
 Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.

Untrue. When I get calls from friends in Sweden I can see who they
are.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:25:23PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.
 
 Untrue. When I get calls from friends in Sweden I can see who they
 are.

And when I get calls from Japan, which happens about twice a week, I
can't.

-- 
Britain has football hooligans, Germany has neo-Nazis, and France has farmers. 
-The Times



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:25:23PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
  Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.
  
  Untrue. When I get calls from friends in Sweden I can see who they
  are.
 
 And when I get calls from Japan, which happens about twice a week, I
 can't.

Ok, so you should have said Caller detect doesn't work for some
international calls either.

-- 
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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:48:26PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
  No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 
 
 ??? ... its simple. If they choose to withhold their number I choose to
 reject their call.

Okay, whatever, I don't, it's an *option*.



Martin



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
   No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 
  That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off).
  I suppose it could go to answerphone.
 
 Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.

yeah .. thats fine .. it doesn't work from creaky old strowger exchanges
either (are there any of those left ? ) but there is a subtle difference
between 'number withheld' and 'number unavailable' ... rejecting on
withheld is reasonable, reject on unavailable might not be such a good
idea.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World



Re: (Ab)Using substr

2001-05-15 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Thursday, May 10, 2001, at 12:24  PM, Robin Houston wrote:

 On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:16:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 #!/usr/bin/perl -w   # how to (ab)use substr
 use strict;
 my $pi='3.14159210535152623346475240375062163750446240333543375062';

 Well, it's more just taking advantage of the fact that most people
 don't know more than six decimal places of Pi :-)

Well, Dave *did* say

my $pi

It's not the official one.

Marcel

--
We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt to
service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile.
  -- London.pm strategy aka embrace and extend aka mark and sweep



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, 15 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 
   That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off).
   I suppose it could go to answerphone.
  
  Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.
 
 yeah .. thats fine .. it doesn't work from creaky old strowger exchanges
 either (are there any of those left ?)

http://www.light-straw.co.uk/ate/strowger.html 

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 12:48 15/05/01 +0100, you wrote:

extension number.  I simply don't want people phoning me up who refuse to
own up to who they are before they invade my privacy.

This response inspired by not directed at previous poster i.e. not 
personal


Yeah, me neither. Damn strangers, I don't talk to them and neither do my 
kids.

And if there's an unexpected knock at the door, I pretend I'm out. Too much 
crime. Too many weirdos.

I don't open letters without a return address - and if they've been _hand 
delivered_ with unknown handwriting - that's just sick, man.

And if someone stops me in the street and asks for directions I _always_ 
ask to see ID.

Now, If my mate phones me up in the restaurant or the train, well I always 
take the call, I mean communication is the cornerstone of society, man, yea 
I always have a good old laugh on the mobile in the pub, down the shops, in 
the library.

It's just invasion of privacy I'm against.




-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Privacy, its their choice! ( was Re: Enough!)

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 On Tue, 15 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote:
  On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
  
   Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
 
  Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
 
   And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.
 
  No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern.

 ??? ... its simple. If they choose to withhold their number I choose to
 reject their call. they can always dial code to release their number if
 they choose. Many large organisations have an alternate presentation
 number so you get the number of the switchboard ratehr than the office
 extension number.  I simply don't want people phoning me up who refuse to
 own up to who they are before they invade my privacy.


I also have killfile entries for all the usenet anonymizers that I know
of for precisely the same reason.

/J\




Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 well .. I believe you have extended the analogy just a little bit too far
 :) . .the main reason _I_  decline to answer 'withheld number' calls is
 because almost every single one is a halfwit trying to sell me
 insurance/glazing/burglar alarms/toilet roll (yes.. really) even though

Yes - they generally call me between 6pm and 8pm. If we leave the phone to
the answering machine around this time, and the caller doesn't leave a
message, then 1471 always tells me that The caller withheld their number.

We keep winning free holidays/windows/kitchens etc

I say No - I do not want a free $gift

and the people at the call center get quite indignant that I do want it, and
that I musn't understand the offer.

I have worked as a telemarketer, so feel a bit sorry for them as it's a shit
job, so I just say No thanks and hang up.

/Robert




Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Steve Mynott

Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
   On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
   Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
  
  Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones.
 
 nokia 9210

But is it actually programmable by the end user?

-- 
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One liner

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Peterson

Probably all you people who program for a living think this is 
[crap/obvious/can be done in 3 bytes] but I liked it:

$|++; print qw(\ | / -)[$i%4].\r; $|--;

Put a spinning progress thing in your loops...



-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




T-Shirts

2001-05-15 Thread Robert Shiels

I was just wondering, have the secret T-shirt designs been sent off to the
printers yet ? The reason I ask is that I'd really like one of them to be
Hitch-Hiker related; or maybe we could have a special run of ZZ9 Plural Z
Alpha.PM shirts done.

--
Robert





RE: T-Shirts

2001-05-15 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:23 PM

 I was just wondering, have the secret T-shirt designs been sent off to the
 printers yet ? The reason I ask is that I'd really like one of them to be
 Hitch-Hiker related; or maybe we could have a special run of ZZ9 Plural Z
 Alpha.PM shirts done.

Wierdly enough, that has always been one of the designs on the list.

Dave...
[waiting for Simon to send his bank details so he can bankroll the deal]


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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:

 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
 
  And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.
 
 No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 

And me refusing to answer them is *my* legitimate privacy concern.  I find
that refusing to answer CLID-free calls, and using the answering machine,
is a sufficient procphone.

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:38:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

  Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones.
 
 nokia 9210

Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium.

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:15:57PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
   No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. 
  That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off).
  I suppose it could go to answerphone.
 
 Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.

I think this depends on the telcos.  It works perfectly for calls between
Vodafone and whatever GSM provider it is that covers NYC.

Anyway, we accept imperfect mail filtering, we'll accept imperfect phone
filtering.

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:08:31PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:38:26PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
  Ok, so you should have said Caller detect doesn't work for some
  international calls either.
 
 But, you see, if a call ID is withheld, you can't tell whether they're
 international calls with non-working caller detect or domestic calls from
 ex-directory/paranoid numbers. So filtering on withheldness is BAD BAD BAD.

No it's not bad.  They get filtered to the answering machine so I can deal
with them later*.  As far as I'm concerned, it's THEIR FAULT that I can't
id them.  I *really* don't care if their telco is broken.  Everyone who
I can envision needing to talk to me urgently (family, close friends) has
CLID enabled.

* - if I'm filtering.  I'm not filtering at the moment.

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
 Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
   
   Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones.
  
  nokia 9210
 
 But is it actually programmable by the end user?
 

yes

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:09:47PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  yeah .. thats fine .. it doesn't work from creaky old strowger exchanges
  either (are there any of those left ? ) but there is a subtle difference
  between 'number withheld' and 'number unavailable'
 
 There is, but not all phones make the distinction.

well if I was intending to base my filtering on withheld/unavailable I
would make sure my phone *did* make the distinction .. most do. Also BT
are intending to introduce a service called 'choose to refuse' where for
a simple one-off payment you can automatically offer 'withheld' callers
the option of pressing '1' to release their number or some such.  AIUI
'not availbale' numbers can be passed on with a 'distinctive ring'

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:00:28PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 I have worked as a telemarketer, so feel a bit sorry for them as it's a shit
 job, so I just say No thanks and hang up.

You can buy these little devices that emit a canned request to be
removed from the lists which these people are legally required to do or
else   face being in quite some trouble. It's quite funny, hold the
keychain toy up to the mic and let it rip.

Paul



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 
  nokia 9210
 
 Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium.

I know someone who knows someone who has a test model - I'll prod on
programmability.


Martin



Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
  
   nokia 9210
  
  Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium.
 
 I know someone who knows someone who has a test model - I'll prod on
 programmability.

Greg has (had?) one to play with.  It is programmable.

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