Re: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:20 16/05/2001, Dean wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:08:17PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

  http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918

The economy took another downturn today as the few remaining London
based dot-coms utilized the last of their ever diminishing budgets in
an attempt to procure an item that would see off the vampire ^Hventure
capitalists. One of the companies to survive todays spending spree was
MagSol, the founder Dave was heard to say Willows better.

pedant type=grammar?
Actually, I'd say Willow's better.
/pedant

Dave...


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e-mail

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll


Hi,

due to some BT/ADSL fun and games last night i managed to bounce
almost every message that was directed to me, so if you mailed me
about something important please resend it.

Cheers,

Greg

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TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Cross David - dcross


I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's
Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.

This is our big chance to get revenge for the injustices of last year.

Dave...

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Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Mark Fowler

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 I don't think Perl 6 can be a tremendous leap forward, not because
 of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because
 the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about
 IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit
 of that statement, its more about how people build programs
 than the interface they use, the IDE merely focuses them towards
 a certain methodology of building software.

Greg, I was wondering if you've used Glade with Perl.  I think it's
everything that VisualBasic is.  It allows you very simple access to the
vast range of really complex components and provides very simple access to
the code both via generated 'only edit me if you know what you're doing'
code and 'ignore the rest of the program and just write what you
want me to do when you  click here' callbacks.

This of course comes with all the advantages and disadvantages of such an
approach.  It's very easy and quick to build a GUI that functions well and
stops you making so many GUI bloopers, but it's a very fixed approach that
doesn't lend itself to too much dynamic GUI creation.

Later.

Mark.

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Re: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:


 I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's
 Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.

Does it have questions on Buffy and drinking competitions?

Later

Mark.

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RE: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:24 AM

 On Thu, 17 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon
Orwant's
  Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.
 
 Does it have questions on Buffy and drinking competitions?

Well it hasn't so far, but it's all down to the whim of the quizmaster. For
new readers, we were just beaten into second place last year as none of us
knew the name of Bill Clinton's dog[1].

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  is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers.

Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have:

The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language
is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers

Dave...

[1] Note to self: find out if Dubya has any pets.

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Re: e-mail

2001-05-17 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 Hi,
 
 due to some BT/ADSL fun and games last night i managed to bounce
 almost every message that was directed to me, so if you mailed me
 about something important please resend it.


Did you get my post? .. here it is again:

 Greg ..  I just had a call from a freind of mine who tells me the Bank
 Of England are having a bit of a clear out tonight, apparently they need
 the storage space and are giving away lots of old money (£20 notes
 mainly) just to make room for new stuff .. the down side is you have to
 take a least 1 wheelbarrow. Its only tonight though so get down there.

hope its not too late.

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Re: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:17:04AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's
 Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.
 
 This is our big chance to get revenge for the injustices of last year.

I'll help. Mike Stok and I between managed to answer about all of them
except that stoopid Buddy one.

Paul, should probably get a ticket now



Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Piers Cawley

Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5,
  wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-)
 
 Blasphemy ahead ..
 
 I don't think Perl 6 can be a tremendous leap forward, not because
 of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because
 the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about
 IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit
 of that statement, its more about how people build programs
 than the interface they use, the IDE merely focuses them towards
 a certain methodology of building software.
 
 And just to complete my final blasphemy, Visual Basic, may have
 a shit language behind it, it may have performance problems, 
 it may be very limited and may force you to implement the guts
 as of any serious program you write as C/C++ DLLs but
 is still the most impressive implementation of a programming 
 language/dialect that I have ever seen, barring one or two
 domain specific languages, such as the visualisation software
 which I have forgotten the name of.
 

I tried to use VB once. I kept thinking Why isn't this as good as
Interface Builder is on NeXTSTEP? Actually, I find myself thinking
that when I use almost any IDE...


-- 
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Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Piers Cawley

Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:06:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  And just to complete my final blasphemy, Visual Basic, may have
  a shit language behind it, it may have performance problems, 
  it may be very limited and may force you to implement the guts
  as of any serious program you write as C/C++ DLLs but
  is still the most impressive implementation of a programming 
  language/dialect that I have ever seen,
 
 You clearly haven't used Delphi. It is *streets* ahead of VB. Not
 only that they provide source to their components. Not only that,
 Object Pascal is possibly one of the best practical OO languages
 in existence. Their component model just rocks. And their editor
 is fantastic.
 
 Delphi rules.

Still not as good Interface Builder + Objective C + AppKit +
NeXTSTEP... 

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test

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll


just a test

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Re: test

2001-05-17 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:06:41AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 just a test

You say that it's just test.  Who are we to believe you.  In fact, I
think you're part of the US Govt consipracy to overload foreign networks
with test messages.  Prove that you're not.

-Dom (Not My Real Name)



Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:06:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because
  the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about
  IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit
  of that statement

 So, let me get this right - you want to discuss something which is
 equal value IDE and core language, without discussing the IDE, yes? :)


Yip, i want to discuss the line down the middle between the IDE and
the Language/Engine. The original post meant to state that the only way
Perl could leap forward in a way that would shock/surprise people would
be to significantly change the way people worked with the language.

Object orientation was one such shift, Visual Basic/Delphi was another
such shift (and i'm not just talking about the GUI builder bit). In
fact high level languages with text editors is another.

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Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Greg McCarroll writes:
  I don't think Perl 6 can be a tremendous leap forward, not because
  of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because
  the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about
  IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit
  of that statement, its more about how people build programs
  than the interface they use, the IDE merely focuses them towards
  a certain methodology of building software.

 Are you drunk, McCarroll, or just smoking crack? :-)


Me drink?, and my point was about what would shock/surprise
the masses with Perl 6, but as we've started down the visual
component crack smoking road lets continue 

 It's a wonderful fantasy, but the only type of problem I solve that
 could fit that approach are those tedious CGI+database CRUD things.

I see it more for data munging and small tools. I also think its got
potential for allowing the unwashed masses to build their data
munging / general tools without knowing too much Perl.

 Everything else requires original thought and invention, and

Sure and if it can be reused, implement it as a component so
it can later be snapped together by someone who will never appreciate
it.

 I'll chew
 my left nut off before I believe that the fantasy of assembly-line
 software allows for that.

Can we hold you to that? It would give us a good name for the project

 gnat   = gnat needs another testicle ;-)


  the most impressive implementation of a programming language/dialect
  that I have ever seen

 It may be a steamy sweaty pile of diarrhoea, but it's an IMPRESSIVE
 steamy sweaty pile of diarrhoea.


Greg

p.s. I have never used Delphi.


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Re: Enough!

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Wistow

Simon Cozens wrote:

 One of the things I plan to do on my way around America after TPC is sit
 down with Kevin and DHD and start writing some funky robots. sphinx +
 infobot + reefknot + festival -- why hire a secretary when you can write
 one? :)


I've been meaning to have a crack at hooking together Asterisk
(OpenSource, http://www.asteriskpbx.com/main/), Festival (Speech
Synthesis, http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/), Sphinx (OS,
speech recognition, http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/), Perl and one
of the info bots/POE for a couple fo years now. 

I've just never had the time :(

Fairly easy to write your own 'Wildfire'-esque system with this. Hook it
into Mister House (open source home automation program,
http://misterhouse.net/) and you could do some really funky things by
just phoning up your house 


[ring ring, ring ring]
Dipsy : hello
Simon : I need an exit


Errr, I'll just get me coat shall I?



Re: They are all vampires!

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/antibetdesign/vampires.htm

Lots of work for the Buffster to do, i'm sure Buffy will have
to wrestle with Scully to slay her - perhaps in a vat of jello ;-).

 (via popbitch), Leon

Sure Leon, we believe you got it via popbitch and you don't
spend your days mindlessly surfing the web for Vampire pr0n ;-).

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pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll


Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

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Re: Enough!

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:27:47AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Fairly easy to write your own 'Wildfire'-esque system with this. Hook it
 into Mister House (open source home automation program,
 http://misterhouse.net/) and you could do some really funky things by
 just phoning up your house 

Mandrake has already done this, I think.

 [ring ring, ring ring]
 Dipsy : hello
  ^ YM Operator. :)
 Simon : I need an exit

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Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:

Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before
ordering.

Roger



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Chris Ball

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
 i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

Dabs.com is fine. Scan.co.uk has great deals, but if you get some kind of
after-sales it seems you're one of the lucky few. I've got multiple orders
from both with no probs, but heard many Stories Of Badness about both, too.

~C.
 
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Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread AEF



On Thu, 17 May 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:

 On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:
 
 Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
 i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).
 
 I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before
 ordering.

 When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days
later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was). However,
ordering the same thing from http://www.simply.co.uk/ worked.

 I need to buy a new ATAPI CDROM drive today (my old one won't read CDRs).
Is there anything choose between different models, or do I just get any
old one?

 Tony




Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Paul Sharpe

Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
 i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).
 
 --
 Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

www.scan.co.uk

paul

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Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread AEF



On Thu, 17 May 2001, AEF wrote:

 later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was). However,
^

 Ugh! I can't believe I did that...

 Tony




Re: streaming output

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Liney

 From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  At a guess: Content-Encoding: gzip instead.

 Yep that worked,

According to RFC2616 Content-Encoding: x-gzip should have worked as well:

  Use of program names for the identification of encoding formats is not
  desirable and is discouraged for future encodings. Their use here is
  representative of historical practice, not good design. For
  compatibility with previous implementations of HTTP, applications SHOULD
  consider x-gzip and x-compress to be equivalent to gzip and
  compress respectively.

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec3.html#sec3.5

Dave.



Re: T-Shirts

2001-05-17 Thread Barbie

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 ...and then sunny Birmingham ..

You must have been dreaming! 

Barbie,
currently sitting in a high-rise office block in rainy Brum.





Re: T-Shirts

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Wistow

Barbie wrote:

  ...and then sunny Birmingham ..
 
 You must have been dreaming!

I was stuck in the Chamberlain hotel on Broad Street. I wanted to go out
for a walk and go to a bar and a restaurant (rather than being stuck in
the hotel ones) but it was absolutley pissing it down with rain so I
just stayed inside and sulked and ran up expenses.

I actually meant to give you a bell and ask if you wanted to go for a
swift pint but I was only told I was going on Monday night and I didn't
have email access where I was on site (the glamourous Small Heath
business park)



Re: test

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

Greg McCarroll wrote:
 just a test

Sorry, didn't arrive in Germany. You have some kind of UK only filter on
these things?

Please sent it again, with the filter turned off.

Cheers,
Philip (feeling testy)
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Re: e-mail

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

Greg McCarroll wrote:
 talking of old money did you know that about 92%[1] of used 
 fifty pound notes have traces of cocaine on them?

Probably from the crack-snorting scientists who test them.

 [1] i couldnt remember the exact figure, but it was high, so 
 92% sounded good.

Did you know that 18% of all statistics are completely made up out of raw
cloth, and 57.384% of all statistics claim unwarranted precision in their
figures?

Cheers,
Philip
(who notes that there's a German saying don't trust any statistic that you
didn't forge yourself)
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Re: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

Robin Szemeti wrote:
 http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918

Yum. Pricey, though.

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

Paul Makepeace wrote:
 The - to .  conversion [...] will be a wonderful thing.

To be honest, I never understood the point of that conversion. Is it an
attempt to make Perl look more like VB? Or like Java? Or trying to save
keystrokes? Simplify the lexer?

The array seemed fine to me the way it was.

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:
 
 Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC
components,
 i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

 I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before
 ordering.

I ordered something from dabs recently, it was in stock before the order,
and mysteriously not in stock afterwards. I cancelled the order. I'd
probably check online, and phone them just to make sure they really have it.

/Robert




RE: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:57 AM

 Robin Szemeti wrote:
  http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
 
 Yum. Pricey, though.

Oh, I don't know. It's not _that_ expensive. I may have another look just
before it closes tomorrow morning. If it's less than £30 I may buy. Might
make a nice donation to a YAPC::Europe raffle or something...

Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by SMG tho' at
http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51612812.

Dave...

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Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Merijn Broeren

Hi,

Have you seen http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/ ? 

My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 

Cheers
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Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Tony Bowden

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
 Have you seen http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/ ? 
 My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
 the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 

His perl isn't necessarily the fastest in all cases. I sped some of his
scripts up quite significantly - enough to move it back up above Python
anyway ;)

It's all quite interesting.

Tony

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Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 His perl isn't necessarily the fastest in all cases. I sped some of his
 scripts up quite significantly - enough to move it back up above Python
 anyway ;)
 
I was looking at the attributions page and saw only your name. I was
kind of expecting the rabid hordes of london.pm speedfreaks would like
to have a go, but you were already there, I should have known you were a
lnpm'er ;-)

 It's all quite interesting.
 
Indeed. I thought the functional languages would do much better when
weighing the mathematical stuff higher, but there was almost no change.

Cheers,
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Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:26:17AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:

 I tried to use VB once. I kept thinking Why isn't this as good as
 Interface Builder is on NeXTSTEP? Actually, I find myself thinking
 that when I use almost any IDE...

Heh.  Same here, although if you discount Interface Builder, VB is very
good indeed.  I haven't done enough Delphi work to be qualified to talk
about their interface, but first impressions were good.

I like to think of VB and Java as doing the same sort of job. They're
very good for the pretty interface bits, but need a Real Language to do
the real work - C for VB, perl/python/C for Java.

I was, however, thoroughly infuriated by Interface Builder on Mac OS X.
It is not at all obvious how it should work with Project Builder.  I am,
however, more infuriated by OS X itself, and its updates which break
everything.  Grumble. Mutter.

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Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Damian Conway

Now I'm not buying into the argument on either side, but it does remind
me of a lovely quote by Australian programming legend Alan Kennington:

Eiffel is some sort of avant-garde French computing
movement which believes that programming is reactionary
and oppressive.  Instead, they see the future of computing
as lying in broad strokes of the mouse to communicate
the software developer's creative desires.  The Eiffel
system then writes a program for the computing artist.
As is typical of French ideas, Eiffel appeals to those
sections of the middle class eho can't remember what
work was like, and don't particularly want to be reminded.

;-)

Damian





[OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

2001-05-17 Thread Nathan Torkington

Speaking of vampires, you've got a treat coming up with Angel.  After
the exploitative tv show there was a lull of a week, and then
... Boobapalooza!  You boys will be capturing plenty of stills from
the season-ending shows.

Think Princess Leia only funny and jaw-droppingly gorgeous.

Nat




RE: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Nathan Torkington

Cross David - dcross writes:
 Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have:
 
 The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language
 is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers

It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most
recent TPJ? :-)

Nat




Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote:
  When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days
 later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was).

My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card clearance
and two days awaiting despatch. It *is* in stock, it's just taking them
four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.

Simply aren't much better. Took them three weeks to get stuff in stock.

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Re: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

Cross David - dcross wrote:
 Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by 
 SMG tho' at http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51612812.

I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster uses her fake name
when signing pictures.

Cheers,
Philip
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RE: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Robert Thompson


 From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 Cross David - dcross wrote:
  Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by 
  SMG tho' at http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51612812.
 
 I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster 
 uses her fake name
 when signing pictures.

To maintain the illusion


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Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Dean S Wilson

-Original Message-
From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]


My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card
clearance
and two days awaiting despatch. It *is* in stock, it's just taking
them
four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.


If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday,
you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.

And afterwards you can come to one of the almost weekly geek meets in
a nearby pub.

Dean
--
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand.
   ---  Anon






Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Barbie

 Thinking of big hard drives...

 http://www.dabs.com/products/compare.asp?action=selectedprodtype=14

 Nice feature.

Bugger I bought a 41.1Gb IBM Deskstar the other month from Dabs and now
they've drop their price by £25.

Barbie





Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Martin Ling

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:01:11AM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
 
 find / -name *your_base* -exec chown us:us {} \;

If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.


Martin



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 02:36:58PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:01:11AM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
  
  find / -name *your_base* -exec chown us:us {} \;
 
 If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
 well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.

*mumble* xargs(1) *mumble*

-Dom



Re: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Cross David - dcross wrote:
  Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by 
  SMG tho' at http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51612812.
 
 I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster uses her fake name
 when signing pictures.
 

Well you don't see pictures of the Duke signed Marion Robert Morrison. So
why should this budding young actress and slayer sign things Buffy.

Sheesh, some people ;-)


-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dean S Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card
 clearance
 and two days awaiting despatch. It *is* in stock, it's just taking
 them
 four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.
 
 
 If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday,
 you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
 lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.
 
 And afterwards you can come to one of the almost weekly geek meets in
 a nearby pub.

I quote like the dabs site and will probably end up using them, unless
i find some nice shiny hardware shops in new yourk this weekend.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Alex Gough

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote:
   When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days
  later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was).
 
 My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card clearance
 and two days awaiting despatch. It *is* in stock, it's just taking them
 four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.
 
 Simply aren't much better. Took them three weeks to get stuff in stock.

Simply have a habit of sending me things in a really big brown paper bag,
and while I quite like the Santaesque overtones, I'd prefer to see things
nicely wrapped so I don't receive more (albeit smaller) items than I'd
ordered.

Dabs are fine, but their shop lies.





Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread AEF



On Thu, 17 May 2001, Alex Gough wrote:

 Simply have a habit of sending me things in a really big brown paper bag,

 Simply sent my HDD in a big brown box.

 Which was in a really big brown paper bag.

 Tony




Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Robin Houston

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
 My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
 the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 

I was astounded by the performance of Ocaml.

Being forced by an insane lecturer to debug an obfuscated Ocaml
program when I was a student rather put me off the language.
(And _boy_ can you write obfuscated Ocaml programs if you try!
User-definable infix operators are an especially nice touch in
that regard)

Why isn't Ocaml more popular? Is there a good reason?

 .robin.

-- 
Sometimes I sit in front of my washing machine and contemplate the
 worthlessness of life.  My washing machine isn't even plugged in.
--alex



Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:04:47PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:

Statement:

 (And _boy_ can you write obfuscated Ocaml programs if you try!
 User-definable infix operators are an especially nice touch in
 that regard)

Answer:

 Why isn't Ocaml more popular? Is there a good reason?

-Dom



Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Robin Houston

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:06:45PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:04:47PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
 
 Statement:
 
  (And _boy_ can you write obfuscated Ocaml programs if you try!
  User-definable infix operators are an especially nice touch in
  that regard)
 
 Answer:
 
  Why isn't Ocaml more popular? Is there a good reason?

:-)

I don't find that enormously convincing as a reason, though.
You may have noticed that it's possible to write obfuscated
Perl programs ;)

C++ is also pretty bad in that respect (I still don't *quite*
believe that overloadable typecasting isn't a joke...), and
is pretty popular...

I suppose one reason is that in order to be popular, a language
has to syntactically resemble C to make it easier for existing
programmers to learn.

 .robin.

-- 
It really depends on the architraves. --Harl



Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
  My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
  the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 
 
 I was astounded by the performance of Ocaml.
 

But the question is, are they generating C code from Ocaml code
and compiling it, this would explain the performance.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:12:58PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
 I don't find that enormously convincing as a reason, though.
 You may have noticed that it's possible to write obfuscated
 Perl programs ;)

No, I've only over seen pleasant, readable perl code posted to this
list.

 C++ is also pretty bad in that respect (I still don't *quite*
 believe that overloadable typecasting isn't a joke...), and
 is pretty popular...

I didn't realise that you could overload typecasting.  Wow.

I still remember an article about C++ templating being a turing complete
language in it's own right or something weird.  This isn't it, but is
entertaining anyway:

http://www.annexia.org/freeware/cpptemplates/

 I suppose one reason is that in order to be popular, a language
 has to syntactically resemble C to make it easier for existing
 programmers to learn.

Well, look what that did for Java.  And look what it will do for C#.
It's a lot easier to tempt people away when it takes less effort for
them.  To use the canonical counter-example, take lisp.  How many people
have been scared off it by how much it *doesn't* look like anything you
already knew?

-Dom (elisp's my limit, I'm afraid)



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Martin Ling

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 
   find / -name *your_base* -exec chown us:us {} \;
  
  If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
  well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.
 
 *mumble* xargs(1) *mumble*

find / -user you -name base -print | xargs chown us:us

is one of the more popular ones.

I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet.

apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.


Martin



Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:20:08PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 I still remember an article about C++ templating being a turing complete
 language in it's own right or something weird.  This isn't it, but is
 entertaining anyway:
 http://www.annexia.org/freeware/cpptemplates/

And if you don't want to do things in C++:

http://www.apache.org/~fanf/list.h

:) The guy is a nutcase. Oh well, he's only won one IOCCC. :)

MBM




Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:25:22PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet.
 apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.

dpkg --configure ?

-- 
I don't think so, said Rene Descartes.  Just then, he vanished.



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 14:48 17/05/01 +0100, you wrote:

If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday,
you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.

Are you refering to the 'computer fair' or just TCR in general?

Also, if any London person is unaware of it, the shop CEX (Computer 
EXchange) on TCR (just north of Goddge St Stn) sells excellent 2nd hand 
hardware, are very knowledgeable, will accept returns with no hassle, and 
have never let me down etc etc etc.

And they sell 2nd hand software too, esp. MS development stuff.



-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Chris Ball

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:32:03PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.
 dpkg --configure ?

*laughs out loud in the middle of easyEverything* Nice one. :-)

~C.


-- 
Chris Ball.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://printf.net/
finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I must not edit articles with vi.
I must not editarticles with thvi. I must not editarticles with vi.
I must not editarticles with thvi. jI must not editarticles with vi:wq:wq1




Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread will

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: pc components


 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  
find / -name *your_base* -exec chown us:us {} \;
   
   If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
   well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.
  
  *mumble* xargs(1) *mumble*
 
 find / -user you -name base -print | xargs chown us:us
 
 is one of the more popular ones.
 
 I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet.
 
 apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.

rm -f zig

?

:-)




Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Merijn Broeren wrote:
 Quoting Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
  
  His perl isn't necessarily the fastest in all cases. I sped some of his
  scripts up quite significantly - enough to move it back up above Python
  anyway ;)
  
 I was looking at the attributions page and saw only your name. I was
 kind of expecting the rabid hordes of london.pm speedfreaks would like
 to have a go, but you were already there, I should have known you were a
 lnpm'er ;-)

heh! ..I just took 30% off his object_instantiation .. thats quite
heavily weighted in the results and inherited into other tests so that
should move perl up a bit.

weirdly .. one thing I tried 'hmm no explicit DESTROY sub,... hmm I
wonder if it spends time searching for one .. I'll make a sub DESTROY { }
 and see if it speeds it up ..' nope 40% slower overall ...

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World



Re: Shoot out

2001-05-17 Thread Robin Houston

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:28:13PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 But the question is, are they generating C code from Ocaml code
 and compiling it,

I don't think so. I think the Ocaml compiler compiles directly to
machine code. But what difference does it make, ultimately?

 this would explain the performance.

It might help to explain why it's faster than interpreted languages.
But C++ is a compiled language too, and Ocaml seemed to be
consistently faster than C++ in those benchmarks.

I don't think the picture is so simple any more, anyway.
Optimising JITs seem to be catching up...

 .robin.

-- 
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas!



Re: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Peter Haworth

On Thu, 17 May 2001 09:17:04 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's
 Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.

Count me in!


 This is our big chance to get revenge for the injustices of last year.

I'm finding it more annoying now because I've managed to convince myself that the same 
question was asked the previous year.


 [1] Note to self: find out if Dubya has any pets.

... whose name he's used in an Internet context.
Come to think of it, if Buddy was the password, how come we all know what it is 
(now, at least). Aren't passwords supposed to be secret?

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The boy stood on the burning deck
 Whence all but he had fled -
 Twit. -- Spike Milligan



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Dean S Wilson

-Original Message-

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]


At 14:48 17/05/01 +0100, Dean wrote:

If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a
Saturday,
you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.

Are you refering to the 'computer fair' or just TCR in general?
Both to a degree. From the shops I've been in recently it seems that
they are more willing to drop the price a bit than see you go to one
of the fairs. For once the consumers the winner.

The fairs do a more mixed selection of stuff than the shops do, where
you go depends on what your looking for.

Also, if any London person is unaware of it, the shop CEX (Computer
EXchange) on TCR (just north of Goddge St Stn) sells excellent 2nd
hand
hardware, are very knowledgeable, will accept returns with no hassle,
and
have never let me down etc etc etc.

And they do a nice selection of cheep DVD's.


Dean
--
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand.
   ---  Anon





Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread will

- Original Message -
From: Dean S Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: pc components


 If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a
 Saturday,
 you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
 lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.

 Are you refering to the 'computer fair' or just TCR in general?
 Both to a degree. From the shops I've been in recently it seems that
 they are more willing to drop the price a bit than see you go to one
 of the fairs. For once the consumers the winner.

I got a 30Gig 7200 RPM (Samsung I think) disk for £95 at the fairs.  Works
like a dream.

The Geek meet afterwards in a nearby watering hole is good fun too.
Apparently it is Craig 'Red Dwarf' Charles's regular and he was there a few
weeks ago when we were there.  Not as pretty as Buffy or Willow about as
close as you can get (sort of).




Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread will

- Original Message - 
From: will [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: pc components


Not as pretty as Buffy or Willow about as close as you can get (sort of).

In terms of celebrity status I mean.  Quick, someone pass me a shovel.





Perl Journal in the shops?

2001-05-17 Thread Jon Eyre


Has anyone sighted TPJ in a (London) newsagent or 
bookshop, or know who the UK distributor is? 

cheer
j

---
jon eyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (http://simpson.dyndns.org/~jon/)
the slack which can be described is not the true slack





Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

will wrote:
 rm -f zig

mv zig/* CATS/ , surely?

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

Peter Haworth wrote:
 Come to think of it, if Buddy was the password, how come we 
 all know what it is (now, at least). Aren't passwords 
 supposed to be secret?

I believe there was a news story about the first law to be signed into,
well, law electronically by the POTUS by typing in his dog's name, Buddy,
as the password, or verbage to that effect.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:25:44AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 At 17:20 16/05/2001, Dean wrote:
 On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:08:17PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
   http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
 
 The economy took another downturn today as the few remaining London
 based dot-coms utilized the last of their ever diminishing budgets in
 an attempt to procure an item that would see off the vampire ^Hventure
 capitalists. One of the companies to survive todays spending spree was
 MagSol, the founder Dave was heard to say Willows better.
 
 pedant type=grammar?
 Actually, I'd say Willow's better.
 /pedant

Yes, the willow contingent actually speaks english good.  dammit.

dha :-)

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Do not look at the cursor!  Look where the cursor points!
- Chip Salzenberg



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Martin Ling

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:42:43PM -0500, will wrote:
 
 rm -f zig
 
 ?

No!

for GREAT_JUSTICE in $WAY_TO_DESTRUCTION; do mv zig $WHAT_YOU_DOING; done


Martin



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Ian Brayshaw

will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote something that looked like the following:

Apparently it is Craig 'Red Dwarf' Charles's regular and he was
there a few weeks ago when we were there. Not as pretty as Buffy or
Willow about as close as you can get (sort of).

I saw Craig Charles at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a couple of years ago 
and it was a waste of time and money. He walked out on stage, said he was 
p1ssed, drank beer in front of the audience for an hour, occasionally 
screamed juvenile jokes centred around his manhood, then suddenly declared 
that he'd had enough and swaggered off stage. Complete w4nker, really, given 
the price of the tickets.


Ian
(who'd like to meet either Buffy or Willow in a dark alley...)


_
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.




Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread will

- Original Message -
From: Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: pc components


 will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote something that looked like the
following:

 Apparently it is Craig 'Red Dwarf' Charles's regular and he was
 there a few weeks ago when we were there. Not as pretty as Buffy or
 Willow about as close as you can get (sort of).

 I saw Craig Charles at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a couple of years ago
 and it was a waste of time and money. He walked out on stage, said he was
 p1ssed, drank beer in front of the audience for an hour, occasionally
 screamed juvenile jokes centred around his manhood, then suddenly
declared
 that he'd had enough and swaggered off stage. Complete w4nker, really,
given
 the price of the tickets.

His stand up comedy is a big pile of turd and he looks like a hampster, but
it was wierd seeing *Lister* in the pub all the same.  He may be a tosser
but Red Dwarf was great.

will.

(who'd like to meet Buffy AND Willow a dark alley all at the same time...)





Re: More Questions

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:15:56PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 Did you mean like this?

 tie my %scores, 'Tie::Hash::Rank';
 [overengineering snipped]

Or you could do it in two lines:

my $i;
my %rank = map { $_ = ++$i } sort {$scores{$a} = $scores{$b}} keys %scores;

-- 
teco  /dev/audio
- Ignatios Souvatzis



FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-17 Thread Neil Ford

Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...

The interesting bits are as follows;

At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller

At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!

Nuff said :-)

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


www.insight.com - they 0wn Action, and they've never let me down.


-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Indys are very nice indeed.  However, I think I got a pretty good deal
 when I swapped mine for a loaded Sun SS1000e :-)

Sellout!

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-17 Thread Leon Brocard

Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether:

 The interesting bits are as follows;
 
 At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
 
 At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!

You missed out the very important:
No 27, Charisma Carpenter

;-), Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... Why you say you no bunny rabbit when you have little powder-puff tail?



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Leon Brocard

Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether:

 My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card clearance
 and two days awaiting despatch.

The same happened to me.  I've given up buying things on the
Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to
Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally
comparable, and you get it *there and then*.

Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... Useless invention no. 404: Caffeine-free Diet Coke 



Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-17 Thread Martin Ling

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
 
 Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
 
 The interesting bits are as follows;
 
 At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
 
 At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
 
 Nuff said :-)

Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.

I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
people.


Martin



Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-17 Thread Neil Ford

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:54:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
  
  Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
  
  The interesting bits are as follows;
  
  At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
  
  At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
  
  Nuff said :-)
 
 Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.
 
 I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
 with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
 people.
 
The thing comes in a bloody big cardboard box ffs! Makes checking it out a 
real pain.

If you're getting it for the piccies, I would suggest you don't bother.
Whilst SMG gets a full page, the picture of Miss Hannigan is small and a
reprint of one of the ones from the photo shoot she did for FHM last year.

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com



Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-17 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:54:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
  
  Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
  
  The interesting bits are as follows;
  
  At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
  
  At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
  
  Nuff said :-)
 
 Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.
 
 I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
 with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
 people.

Hey, I have to buy it *imported*... and you think *you* have problems...

Uh, what's on the cover, so I get the right one?

dha
-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
i like Sample A because it tastes great and is less typing.
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Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Chris Benson

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:13:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 p.s. I have never used Delphi.

scores 8/10 as a BD language (it *is* related to Pascal :-)

scores 9/10 for does-what-you-expect

OTOH the documentation (when I used it) scored -1.

(Whereas VB3 (or was it VB4) scored -INFINITY because it would
permanently change the size of windows on it's own initiative and 
of course be trashed by every single piece of s/ware that installed 
a .DLL)

-- 
Chris Benson
 if you can't do it in Perl in half-an-hour it's not worth doing.



Re: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 ps amsterdam.pm team last time, so which .pm next time? ;-)

With your record of being everywhere where there is a conference, I
would say you can hook up with any .pm :-)

cheers,
-- 
Merijn Broeren | Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavour of life,
Software Geek  | take big bites. Moderation is for monks.
   | 



Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 you see quite a few go on Yahoo .. Indys seem to be about 100 quid,

OK, that's slightly more than the shipping from Londres to Baaf...

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Chris Benson

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:45:33AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 
 It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most
 recent TPJ? :-)

You want me type it in?? 

All about arrays, Basics, Positions, Position vs count, foreach loops,
reverse and sort, ...

Sound familiar?
-- 
Chris Benson



Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:27:32AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
  Delphi rules.
 
 Still not as good Interface Builder + Objective C + AppKit +
 NeXTSTEP... 

Having used both, I totally disagree. YMMV of course :-)

Interface Builder is damn good but plenty of stupid shit in it (why
am I setting properties in awakeFromNib when I could set it in IB,
but they're greyed out?)

Paul, can't decide to love or hate Obj-C



Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

2001-05-17 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:59:53PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 Paul Makepeace wrote:
  The - to .  conversion [...] will be a wonderful thing.
 
 To be honest, I never understood the point of that conversion. Is it an
 attempt to make Perl look more like VB? Or like Java? Or trying to save
 keystrokes? Simplify the lexer?

*tokes hard* _fewer characters, man!_

- makes my right wrist click since I never got the hang of the left
shift key in a general way. It just looks... nicer.

/imo

Paul



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:12:52PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 The same happened to me.  I've given up buying things on the
 Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to
 Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally
 comparable, and you get it *there and then*.

Comparable to http://www.pricewatch.com/ ?

I buy stuff online because it's less hassle/takes less time than
finding parking downtown :-)

And besides, by the time it arrives (few days later, I'm a cheapskate
Ground shipping junkie) I've usually forgotten about it so it's a
nice surprise.

Paul



Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:12:52PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 The same happened to me.  I've given up buying things on the
 Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to
 Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally
 comparable, and you get it *there and then*.

   They're calling it shops or `S-Commerce' and it's being rolled out in
   cities and towns nationwide.

   It's a real revelation, according to Malcolm Fosbury, a middleware
   engineer from Hillingdon. You just walk into one of these shops
   and they have all sorts of things for sale.

   Fosbury was particularly impressed by a clothes shop he discovered
   while browsing in central London. Shops seem to be the ideal medium
   for transactions of this type. I can actually try out a jacket and
   see if it fits me. Then I can visualize the way I would look if I
   was wearing the clothing. This is possible using a high definition
   2D viewing system, or mirror as it has become known.

   Shops, which are frequently aggregated into shopping portals or
   high streets, are becoming increasingly popular with the cash-rich
   time-poor generation of new consumers. Often located in densely
   populated areas people can find them extremely convenient.

   And Malcolm is not alone in being impressed by shops. Some days I
   just don't have the time to download huge Flash animations of
   rotating trainers and then wait five days for them to be delivered
   in the hope that they will actually fit, says Sandra Bailey, a
   systems analyst from Chelsea. This way I can actually complete the
   transaction in real time and walk away with the goods. Being able
   see whether or not shoes and clothing fit has been a real bonus for
   Bailey, I used to spend my evenings boxing up gear to return.
   Sometimes the clothes didn't fit, sometimes they just sent the
   wrong stuff.

   Shops have a compelling commercial story to tell too, according to
   Gartner Group retail analyst Carl Baker. There are massive
   efficiencies in the supply chain. By concentrating distribution to a
   series of high volume outlets in urban centres-typically close to
   where people live and work-businesses can make dramatic savings in
   fulfillment costs. Just compare this with the wasteful practise of
   delivering items piecemeal to people's homes.

   Furthermore, allowing consumers to receive goods when they actually
   want them could mean an end to the frustration of returning home to
   find a despatch notice telling you that your goods are waiting in a
   delivery depot the other side of town. But it's not just the
   convenience and time-saving that appeals to Fosbury, Visiting a
   shop is real relief for me. I mean as it is I spend all day in front
   of a bloody computer.

   from Benjamin Gill, Information  Research, P-Four Consultancy Ltd, TEL:
   (44) 0171 924 3233, FAX: (44) 0171 978 5304, E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

-- 
We *have* dirty minds. This is not news. - Kake Pugh



RE: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Cross

At 13:45 17/05/2001, you wrote:
Cross David - dcross writes:
  Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have:
 
  The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language
  is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers

It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most
recent TPJ? :-)

It was a beginners guide to Arrays. Complete with examples drawing heavily 
on the world of Buffy.

Dave...


-- 
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plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug




Re: Microsoft.FUKT

2001-05-17 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:24:56PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo wrote:
 As usual, registration can be bypassed by replacing www with channel, ie:
 http://channel.nytimes.com/2001/05/03/technology/03SOFT.html

On similar lines, robots.cnn.com is ad free.

E.g.

http://robots.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/News/05/17/niki.taylor.update/index.html

`The first word spoken by the model since the April 29 crash was Coke,
 said her manager, Lou Taylor (no relation). Her doctor rejected the
 request for the soft drink, saying she was not ready yet'

Er, soft drink, eh?

`Taylor suffered liver and abdominal injuries in the accident, though  
 her face was not marred.'

Phew, thank Ghod for that -- for a moment I was concerned, but now I
know she's still good looking; what a relief! /sarcasm

http://www.theonion.com/onion3716/denominator_plummets.html


Paul


 
 -- 
 Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +447966251290



Re: Perl Journal in the shops?

2001-05-17 Thread Barry Pretsell

I have seen Perl Journal in Borders on Oxford Street, usually there before
the I receive my copy by mail.

Happy hunting,

Barry
- Original Message -
From: Jon Eyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:42 PM
Subject: Perl Journal in the shops?



 Has anyone sighted TPJ in a (London) newsagent or
 bookshop, or know who the UK distributor is?

 cheer
 j

 ---
 jon eyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (http://simpson.dyndns.org/~jon/)
 the slack which can be described is not the true slack







Some Northern Irish Fun and Games ...

2001-05-17 Thread Greg McCarroll


This is the sort of thing that happens in the country i grew up in  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1336000/1336347.stm

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Happy Happy Joy Joy!

2001-05-17 Thread Philip Newton

I finally received my copy of TPJ in the mail yesterday. And there was much
rejoicing :)

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.