Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread robert shiels

- Original Message -
From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women


 At 20:50 20/05/2001, Mike Jarvis wrote:
 Sunday, May 20, 2001, 3:19:47 AM, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 DC And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a woman (or man)
was
 DC simply by looking at a photo.
 
 This is really two questions:
 1) Can you tell from looking at a photo if this is someone you'd like
 to have a relationship with?  (No)
 
 2) Can you tell from looking at a photo if this is someone you'd like
 to have sex with?(Yes)

 OK. Well that's where I'm getting confused then. By believing the sex is
 also a relationship (however fleeting!) I think that the answer to 2 is
 also 'No' :)

Appropriately enough, I just got sent this:

According to a recent survey, men say the first thing they notice about
a women are their eyes.  And women say the first thing they notice about
men are: they're a bunch of liars.

/Robert





Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread James Powell

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:26:51PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 At 10:52 20/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 
   I'm sure I'm really in the minority here, but I can't be the only one who
   finds all this discussion of the FHM list distasteful. I've never really
   understood why intelligent men find it acceptable to objectify women in
   this way.
 
 Although of course everyone objects most vociferously when Cosmo or some
 similar magazines produce a list of 'The Worlds Sexiest Men'. :)
 
 Ooh, look! Look! They're doing it to. Therefore it _must_ be alright!
 
 Personally I find it just as objectionable, but funnily enough you don't it 
 anywhere near as much.
 

So you don't fancy organizing a LPM Top 100 (well, maybe 25) then?


jp (who confesses he has bought FHM in the past, but not for at least
3 years, when it was highbrow ;) )




Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:05:20PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
 
 You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is
 stealing copies of your book on line.
 
 True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I have only ever used 
 Napster to find copies of unavailable music.

You mean you actually got napster to work?  That's more of an
achievement than I've ever managed...

-Dom



Re: Marcel Grunauer left on all night

2001-05-21 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Monday, May 21, 2001, at 10:39  AM, Simon Wistow wrote:

 .. get some sleep boy, you're making the rest of us look bad :)

Doctor Someone forgot to terminate my program. Hello. Hello? /Doctor

As I was on all weekend as well, expect some more attribute stuff rsn.

Marcel

--
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I have discovered a truly remarkable proof which this signature is too
short to contain.  (20 Aug 2001: Pierre de Fermat's 400th birthday)



Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Simon Wistow

Robin Szemeti wrote:

 I suspect the current 'Lad's' magazines phase is a backlash against the
 crazy political correctness of the 80's .. hopefully the whole thing will
 settle down eventually. 

If you see it lying around the reading 'Getting away with it - the story
of Loaded' by Tim Southwell is worth an afternoon (probably not worth
buying unless it's cheap though) if only for the first few chapters
about how they set up the magazine and the last few about how it started
to go wrong, the middle chapters are basically just anecodotes about
some of the interviews they did and aren't overly interesting. 

After Loaded started eating into and then eventually surpassing their
market share FHM et al changed their image to take a slice of the Lads'
Mags market.



Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Barbie

From: robert shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 According to a recent survey, men say the first thing they notice about
 a women are their eyes.  And women say the first thing they notice about
 men are: they're a bunch of liars.

That's not quite true. Women initial assume that all men are automatically
lairs and work they're way up from there.

Barbie.





RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:58 AM

 From: robert shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  According to a recent survey, men say the first thing they notice about
  a women are their eyes.  And women say the first thing they notice about
  men are: they're a bunch of liars.
 
 That's not quite true. Women initial assume that all men are automatically
 lairs and work they're way up from there.
  ^

Actually, in this case the typos works pretty well too :)

Dave...

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RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Matthew Jones

Dave Cross:
   And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a 
   woman (or man) was simply by looking at a photo.
 
 Its in the eyes, Dave, its in the eyes.
 
 See, I find it's in the personality. Which doesn't come 
 across too well in glossy magazine.

Hmmm. I wonder how you'd go about making personality pr0n?

-- 
matt
so how you gonna kick it?
gonna kick it root down. 



RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Matthew Jones

 I seem to recall some comic giving a rant to the effect of Used to be
 just the magazines on the top shelf, everyone knew where they were,
 everyone knew what they were for. Then these FHM, Loaded, etc though -
 huh?  What are they, for blokes who aren't sure if they want to
 masturbate?

Not just them (they're also for boys in their early teens who can't buy
Razzle). And my missus is a Loaded reader. She says that she genuinely likes
the articles and the magazine's sense of humour, but then she says that she
genuinely likes me, so I suppose that puts her taste into question! :)

-- 
matt
so how you gonna kick it?
gonna kick it root down. 



Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Mon, 21 May 2001, James Powell wrote:

 So you don't fancy organizing a LPM Top 100 (well, maybe 25) then?


thinks .. err .. well theres ... ugh . and .. arr ... and we could
always get .. shudder/thinks

nope .. don't reckon that ones a winner. I know some Womens Institute in
Yorkshire made it bigtime with a calendar .. but I don;t think the
novelty of seeing London.pm arranged in orfer of merit and semi clad will
do the quite the same thing.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World



RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 11:06 21/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
Dave Cross:

 See, I find it's in the personality. Which doesn't come 
 across too well in glossy magazine.

Hmmm. I wonder how you'd go about making personality pr0n?

Mills and Boon.


-- 
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Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Matthew Jones

  See, I find it's in the personality. Which doesn't come 
  across too well in glossy magazine.
 
 Hmmm. I wonder how you'd go about making personality pr0n?
 
 Mills and Boon.

Well, no, I just had this conversation offlist. I'd say that personality
pr0n is an oxymoron. YMMV.

-- 
matt
so how you gonna kick it?
gonna kick it root down. 



Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread Redvers Davies

 I object to paying 3.99 gbp (for a single), or 12.99gbp  (for an album
 track) to just get one song. However, if I hear another track from those
 artists, and like it, I will probably get the full album.

Then exercise your right not to buy it - then don't steal it.
You don't have a divine right to something just because it is a single
song.

Pay for it, or don't get it.



Re: Shoot out

2001-05-21 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Thu, 17 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:20:08PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  I still remember an article about C++ templating being a turing complete
  language in it's own right or something weird.  This isn't it, but is
  entertaining anyway: http://www.annexia.org/freeware/cpptemplates/

 And if you don't want to do things in C++:
 http://www.apache.org/~fanf/list.h
 :) The guy is a nutcase. Oh well, he's only won one IOCCC. :)

I might just be sharing a house with that nutcase in a few months ;-)


L.




Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On 20 May 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:

 Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
  The interesting bits are as follows;
 The really interesting bit was Mr Ford dancing around in his living
 room crowing because Sara Cox had read his name out on the radio.

Just exactly *why* had Sara Cox read Neil's name out?

L.




Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Mike Wyer

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 May 2001 13:28
Subject: Long shot


 Anyone know a windows IMAP client that:
 1. Isn't Netscape
 2. Isn't Eudora
 3. Actually Works
 4. Is free or cheap

Define works?

I use Outlook Express, I like it a lot. It works for me.

Much badness. We are withdrawing Outlook and associates from all our
Windows machines as soon as we have weaned the secretaries off it. It is
an administrative nightmare, and the source of more viri than any other
component on our systems (NT and Linux).

In a networked environment, it is the Devil incarnate.

Standalone, you might be ok. The interface may be nice, but the code has
more design flaws and vulnerabilities than a very buggy thing.

Cheers,
Mike
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Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Simon Wistow

Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
 Anyone know a windows IMAP client that:
 1. Isn't Netscape
 2. Isn't Eudora
 3. Actually Works
 4. Is free or cheap

Pc-Pine?
 
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pc-pine/



Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 02:15:28PM +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
 On Mon, 21 May 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
 From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 21 May 2001 13:28
 Subject: Long shot
 
 
  Anyone know a windows IMAP client that:
  1. Isn't Netscape
  2. Isn't Eudora
  3. Actually Works
  4. Is free or cheap
 
 Define works?
 
 I use Outlook Express, I like it a lot. It works for me.
 
 Much badness. We are withdrawing Outlook and associates from all our
 Windows machines as soon as we have weaned the secretaries off it. It is
 an administrative nightmare, and the source of more viri than any other
 component on our systems (NT and Linux).
 
 In a networked environment, it is the Devil incarnate.
 
 Standalone, you might be ok. The interface may be nice, but the code has
 more design flaws and vulnerabilities than a very buggy thing.

Don't get confused between Outlook (much badness) and Outlook Express
(standalone mail/news reader which comes with IE).  Outlook Express is
ok, as a POP/IMAP mail client.  It's not great, but it's better than
quite a few other things out there.  Definitely worth a try, given
that it's probably installed on anything that has IE5 on it already.

-Dom



Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Paul Mison

On 21/05/2001 at 14:15 +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

I use Outlook Express, I like it a lot. It works for me.

Much badness. We are withdrawing Outlook and associates from all our
Windows machines as soon as we have weaned the secretaries off it. It is
an administrative nightmare, and the source of more viri than any other
component on our systems (NT and Linux).

In a networked environment, it is the Devil incarnate.

Standalone, you might be ok. The interface may be nice, but the code has
more design flaws and vulnerabilities than a very buggy thing.

Isn't there a lot of difference between Outlook- big, bloaty, part of
Office, designed for Exchange- and Outlook Express- biggish, bloatish,
but doesn't talk so many non-standard protocols, and can even do IMAP
over SSH?

There definitely is a difference on the Mac, because you can't get
Outlook, only something quite like it called Entourage, and OE doesn't
talk to Exchange servers.

As to the security holes, well, if you're conenecting to decent SMTP
and IMAP/POP servers, rather than Exchange, and you don't go around
randomly doubleclicking stuff, and switch off the autoexecute options,
surely there's not that much difference between OE and Netscape? Hmm,
that seems like a bit of work, really.

Mind you, I'm still using Eudora 3 Light for the Mac, so I wouldn't
trust my opinion. Maybe part of the problem Eudora has on Windows is,
like Photoshop, it's sacrificed too much to the Windows interface
guidelines, whereas it just looks (and works) right on Mac OS, where
you can scatter windows about with much more abandon under an
all-embracing menu bar. (Sorry, getting all flowery.)

--
:: paul
:: sigs take time





Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Neil Ford

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:26:43PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 
 On 20 May 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:
 
  Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
   The interesting bits are as follows;
  The really interesting bit was Mr Ford dancing around in his living
  room crowing because Sara Cox had read his name out on the radio.
 
 Just exactly *why* had Sara Cox read Neil's name out?
 
I was going to stay out of this one, but in order to make sure the facts
remain straight, I will answer this one.

On her show on Friday she was going on about being No 68 on the list but
she hadn't actually seen the magazine so didn't know what they had said
about her.

So being a sad muppet (there you go, I've said it), I typed up what was in
the mag and emailed it to her. 

She read out the email and said Thank You.

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com



Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 02:30:27PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
 On 21/05/2001 at 14:15 +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
 On Mon, 21 May 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
 
 I use Outlook Express, I like it a lot. It works for me.
 
 Much badness. We are withdrawing Outlook and associates from all our
 Windows machines as soon as we have weaned the secretaries off it. It is
 an administrative nightmare, and the source of more viri than any other
 component on our systems (NT and Linux).
 
 In a networked environment, it is the Devil incarnate.
 
 Standalone, you might be ok. The interface may be nice, but the code has
 more design flaws and vulnerabilities than a very buggy thing.
 
 Isn't there a lot of difference between Outlook- big, bloaty, part of
 Office, designed for Exchange- and Outlook Express- biggish, bloatish,
 but doesn't talk so many non-standard protocols, and can even do IMAP
 over SSH?

It does IMAP over SSL (afaik), but not over ssh.

-Dom



Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 Anyone know a windows IMAP client that:
 1. Isn't Netscape
 2. Isn't Eudora
 3. Actually Works
 4. Is free or cheap


PC Pine.

/J\




Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson

Outlook express is evil.

It actually appears to work correctly for IMAP, and is reasonably fast,
but...

1. For some unknown reason it doesn't let you use mail filters on IMAP
messages, thereby rendering it completely unsuited to my needs

2. And this is the really evil one. If you use plain text mode it ALWAYS
uses your proportional font for displaying and composing mail. If you use
HTML mode it will let you work in fixed width, but obviously then sends the
message as multi-part mime HTML mail, which is unacceptable.

So, I have:

Netscape - works, can filter mail, poor interface, dreadfully slow
PC-pine - works, can filter mail, dreadful interface, fast
Eudora - annoying bugs, can filter mail, good interface, slow
Express - works, can't filter mail, good interface, quite fast

So, Eudora still ahead...





Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Patrick Carmichael


On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 Anyone know a windows IMAP client that:
 1. Isn't Netscape
 2. Isn't Eudora
 3. Actually Works
 4. Is free or cheap
 
 Sigh...


Another vote for PC-Pine.  When our University NFS + 'We support Outlook
Express, support for Pine is frozen' network grinds to a halt and
everyone starts to see other people's mail folders when they log on , I am
in the minority who can actually get any work done.  

I appreciate that this isn't *always* a good thing.







Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Simon Wistow

Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 Netscape - works, can filter mail, poor interface, dreadfully slow

Hmm, I like Netscape's Interface - does everything I want it to, no
unessecarily wasted screen territory, excellent configuartion system.  

The only thing that narks me off is the fact that, unlike the *nix
version, threads with unread mails don't get bolded to indicate this.

Oh and it's also too tightly tied to the browser and doesn't let you
have  multiple identies.

How's the Mozilla version coming along?



Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 Anyone know a windows IMAP client that:
 1. Isn't Netscape
 2. Isn't Eudora
 3. Actually Works
 4. Is free or cheap

Mulberry? .. amongst others

http://www.ncsu.edu/imap/readers.html

http://www.imap.org/products/database.msql

thats a choice of about 20 or so all in .. should be one you like ;-))

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World



Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Piers Cawley

Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:26:43PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
  
  On 20 May 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:
  
   Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
The interesting bits are as follows;
   The really interesting bit was Mr Ford dancing around in his living
   room crowing because Sara Cox had read his name out on the radio.
  
  Just exactly *why* had Sara Cox read Neil's name out?
  
 I was going to stay out of this one, but in order to make sure the facts
 remain straight, I will answer this one.
 
 On her show on Friday she was going on about being No 68 on the list but
 she hadn't actually seen the magazine so didn't know what they had said
 about her.
 
 So being a sad muppet (there you go, I've said it), I typed up what was in
 the mag and emailed it to her. 
 
 She read out the email and said Thank You.

At which point Neil started sounding positively orgasmic. Yes! Yes!
Yes! I've had my name read out on Radio 1!

-- 
Piers Cawley
www.iterative-software.com




Re: [OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

2001-05-21 Thread David H. Adler

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:52:46AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 09:19:08PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
 
  [Cordelia]
 
  And how, exactly, is this off topic?
 
 It's not about Willow.

But it's about Cordelia, who graduated from Willow's High School, as she
appears on Angel, a show named after someone in the resorataion of whose
soul Willow's magical abilities first strongly surfaced.  Willow also
had a cameo on Angel this season.

It's *all* about Willow, you fool!

dha
-- 
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And finally, it appears that Schwern, Michael is an Alien Drag Queen
- Leon Brocard, London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
(This has *something* to do with http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103645)



Re: [OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

2001-05-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson



appears on Angel, a show named after someone in the resorataion of whose
^^^

Ah, an excellent typo consisting of one additional character, one omitted character, 
and a transposed pair. I shall put it in my collection. I should say by the look of 
it, this one was speed induced.

Goes off to start new thesis on typographical errors to be presented at the ICA.




-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: [OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

2001-05-21 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Mon, May 21, 2001 at 05:09:50PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson typed:

Ah, an excellent typo consisting of one additional character, one omitted character, 
and a transposed pair. I shall put it in my collection. I should say by the look of 
it, this one was speed induced.

Goes off to start new thesis on typographical errors to be presented at the ICA.

use Code::Approx;



Re: Some Northern Irish Fun and Games ...

2001-05-21 Thread Marty Pauley

On Fri May 18 07:27:10 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 This is the sort of thing that happens in the country i grew up in  
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1336000/1336347.stm

But Greg, it's not what you think.  It's part of a secret trans-atlantic
conspiricy to prevent further development of our encryption dance.

But they're too late!

-- 
Marty

 PGP signature


Re: [OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

2001-05-21 Thread David H. Adler

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 05:09:50PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
 
 appears on Angel, a show named after someone in the resorataion of whose
 ^^^
 
 Ah, an excellent typo consisting of one additional character, one
 omitted character, and a transposed pair. I shall put it in my
 collection. I should say by the look of it, this one was speed
 induced.

For what it's worth, I *am* dysgraphic...

dha
-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
All I felt was his fear...  And the exploding eyeballs.  Did I mention
I hate this gig?   - Cordelia Chase



TPC talk practice / technical meet

2001-05-21 Thread Leon Brocard

Seeing as TPC slides for talks are supposed to be in at the end of the
month, I've got a quick technical meeting together. The idea is that
we'd practice our talks (make sure the timing / level is right etc.)
and get constructive criticism from people before handing them
in. YAPC talks also welcome.

When: Saturday 26th noon onwards
Place: state51 (thanks again guys)

I will present an hour-long Instant Compilers talk (I'll spare you
from another Graphing Perl talk ;-). It looks like Simon Wistow might
talk about Perl-Flash. Other speakers welcome!

Of course, you don't need to be talking to come - it'll be slightly
different from a normal technical meeting but interesting and
informative nevertheless.

Leon
-- 
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Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... Useless invention no. 404: Low salt brine 



Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread David H. Adler

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:17:11PM +0100, Barbie wrote:
 
 Bugger! Brain thinking faster than my hands!

Your hands *think*???

dha, sees a sci-fi movie in here somewhere...

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it.
  - Donald Knuth



Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 03:19:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 1. For some unknown reason it doesn't let you use mail filters on IMAP
 messages, thereby rendering it completely unsuited to my needs

The Mac version does :)

But yeah, that's a pain.

 2. And this is the really evil one. If you use plain text mode it ALWAYS
 uses your proportional font for displaying and composing mail. If you use

But it wraps it correctly when you're done/click send, so it does send
it plain text and wrapped correctly.

 Netscape - works, can filter mail, poor interface, dreadfully slow
 PC-pine - works, can filter mail, dreadful interface, fast
 Eudora - annoying bugs, can filter mail, good interface, slow
 Express - works, can't filter mail, good interface, quite fast

Have you tried The Bat!? http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/

Eudora is unquestionably more evil than OE -- unless they've hugely
fixed it its MIME is appallingly wrong in many ways.

Paul



Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Martin Ling

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:49:48PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 
 On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 03:19:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
  1. For some unknown reason it doesn't let you use mail filters on IMAP
  messages, thereby rendering it completely unsuited to my needs
 
 The Mac version does :)

...but lacks the ability to filter POP messages by headers before
downloading. Why the hell can't they get their act together on the same
bloody bit of software? And they accuse *us* of forking.


Martin



penderel going down for a little while

2001-05-21 Thread jo walsh


if that's okay...?
i'm going to replace the old disk with the shiny new 40Gb one.
we wound up reinstalling from scratch on the new disk.
the outage should hopefully be quite short.

i plan to do this in about quarter of an hour's time.
please wibble at me soon if this will cause you problems, or wibble at me
or alex tomorrow if there are things you feel you're missing.

jo
xx

--
would everyone stop please taking the law into their own hands
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://state51.co.uk http://musicbee.com




Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 ...but lacks the ability to filter POP messages by headers before
 downloading. Why the hell can't they get their act together on the same
 bloody bit of software? And they accuse *us* of forking.

Not only that the Outlook and Outlook Express teams at MS are
completely different, and I don't think the shared codebase for the
Mac/Win is particularly big.

Paul (friends in evil places)



Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

2001-05-21 Thread Neil Ford

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 07:12:51PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:

[stuff about TPC/YAPC talk practice, all snipped]

Will you be requiring a projector for this?

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
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Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

2001-05-21 Thread Piers Cawley

Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Seeing as TPC slides for talks are supposed to be in at the end of the
 month, I've got a quick technical meeting together. The idea is that
 we'd practice our talks (make sure the timing / level is right etc.)
 and get constructive criticism from people before handing them
 in. YAPC talks also welcome.
 
 When: Saturday 26th noon onwards
 Place: state51 (thanks again guys)
 
 I will present an hour-long Instant Compilers talk (I'll spare you
 from another Graphing Perl talk ;-). It looks like Simon Wistow might
 talk about Perl-Flash. Other speakers welcome!
 
 Of course, you don't need to be talking to come - it'll be slightly
 different from a normal technical meeting but interesting and
 informative nevertheless.

Hmm... I may come down, sounds interesting. I could possibly use some
people to bounce some ideas about YAPC talks off.

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Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

2001-05-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


 Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  in. YAPC talks also welcome.

I haven't thought of mine yet!

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[announce] Tie::Scalar::Decay v1.1.1

2001-05-21 Thread David Cantrell

I have just uploaded v1.1.1 of Tie::Scalar::Decay which fixes a minor bug
in v1.1.

It was actually a bug in the test suite :-) which was assuming that the
machine running the tests was a RTOS (or at least capable of responding
in near real-time).  Therefore, the final test, which gave sub-second
delays a work-out, has been removed.  I know it works anyway, as the
now-excised fifth test works flawlessly on an otherwise-idle test box.

Anyone got any RT patches for Linux/Sparc? :-)

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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread David H. Adler

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then 
 they're in for a big shock.

...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing
technical books... :-)

dha, used some of his editing money to buy a new guitar, though...

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Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

2001-05-21 Thread Leon Brocard

Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether:

 Will you be requiring a projector for this?

Yes please! Will you be coming down or can we send someone to borrow
your projector for the day? ;-)

ps looks like Simon Cozens will be coming down and giving a few talks
too

Cheers, Leon
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Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

2001-05-21 Thread David Cantrell

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 11:34:21PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  Will you be requiring a projector for this?
 
 Yes please! Will you be coming down or can we send someone to borrow
 your projector for the day? ;-)

DAMNIT, will you lot PLEASE stop organising tech meetings for days when
I can't make it!

I'm going to be in Twyford (that's outside the M25, to the west, oo-arr)
recovering from beer-and-punk induced illness.  It's going to be a weird
night.  Some punk, but with a poet and a folk-singer as well.  Hmmm.  Oh,
and I'll be going with a bunch of people who're into medieval battle
re-enactments.  They've promised not to take their broadswords and
pole-axes.

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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread Dave Cross

At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 
  Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then
  they're in for a big shock.

...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing
technical books... :-)

dha, used some of his editing money to buy a new guitar, though...

ITYM used his editing money to buy some of a new guitar :)

Dave...


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