Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: and i can't buy it, because its still on boring old VHS - Greg 'DVD' McCarroll It *was* released on DVD (in the US, but we don't care about that, do we boys and girls) but this was a while back, and it's now out of stock (everywhere.) I think this might be the one film I'd be prepared to have a copy on VHS and on DVD. Hmmm. Mark. -- Spontaneity has its time and place. - The Sure Thing
Re: Beer fest beckons
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:00:40PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 03:28:49PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: So I get a call on my mobile in the middle of the beer fest from a potential collaborator telling me he can't send me the promised documentation due to the fact my inbox has exploded spectacularly and exceeded my meagre disk quota. Given that I'm far too busy drinking ale to go and faff around wth the university computing service, I shall temporarily unsubscribe. THere is the option of cadging a shell account off of someone, with no fascist disk quota ... She has (at least) one of those, it just has a fascist MRA. :) MBM
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
* at 24/05 23:18 +0100 Greg McCarroll said: p.s. at the risk of raising the heckles of BlackStar, does anyone know the URL of the company based in the channel islands (or isle of mann) that sell american dvds to the UK at the time they are released in the US? 247 or something? http://www.play247.com/ would be them. struan
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
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Laziest way of selling stuph on line?
Is there any easier way of flogging stuff on line than using Amazon Z-shops? They settle quickly, commission isn't horrendous and they do some inventory management. Thoughts?
more PDP-11s to rescue
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Re: Laziest way of selling stuph on line?
on 25/5/01 10:17 am, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Is there any easier way of flogging stuff on line than using Amazon Z-shops? They settle quickly, commission isn't horrendous and they do some inventory management. I think Yahoo do a similar deal. Not necessarily much better tho'. c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:35:52PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
my @array = $h{two};
I bumped into this in 1997 and became convinced list contexts aren't
propagated to the effective sub call. If you look at the above line,
there's something very odd seeming about it anyway, and it's not
necessarily clear WTF is going on :-) At that time I didn't really have
resources/time to mention it to anyone and worked around it (them days of
riding back to Reading at 3am or sleeping on a couch ready for a 7am
start, etc -- and I were grateful!)
The source for what I was working on is locked on an NT box (boo!) at
work; I'll check there and see what I did (FWIW; probably not exciting).
Paul
Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
my @array = $h{two};
^
In perl 5 at least, *this* is your scalar context.
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RE: wantarray and Tied Hashed
From: Simon Cozens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:02 PM
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
my @array = $h{two};
^
In perl 5 at least, *this* is your scalar context.
Good point. But even if I change it to:
my @array = @h{two};
FETCH doesn't get called in list context (instead it gets called once in
scalar context for each key in the list - in this case once). I can see why
Perl does this and I _almost_ agree that it's the right thing.
Anyway, as I said before, you can work around it with
my @array = tied(%h)-FETCH('two');
If anyone is interested, Tie::Hash::Regex is currently winging its way to
your favourite CPAN mirror.
Dave...
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Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 12:15:44PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Anyway, as I said before, you can work around it with
my @array = tied(%h)-FETCH('two');
If anyone is interested, Tie::Hash::Regex is currently winging its way to
your favourite CPAN mirror.
I wonder, could you do some magic with the calling stack so that your
FETCH can Do The Right Thing?
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Re: Laziest way of selling stuph on line?
Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 25/5/01 10:17 am, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Is there any easier way of flogging stuff on line than using Amazon Z-shops? They settle quickly, commission isn't horrendous and they do some inventory management. I think Yahoo do a similar deal. Not necessarily much better tho'. I looked there and it was REALLY hard to find anything useful. Wonder what happened to all those Intershop ASPs from a year or two ago. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 12:36:59PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder, could you do some magic with the calling stack so that your FETCH can Do The Right Thing? Or, I could just accept that I'm a BAD MAN who is trying to PERVERT PERL in NASTY WAYS. No, you're confusing yourself with Damian :-) -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 12:36:59PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder, could you do some magic with the calling stack so that your FETCH can Do The Right Thing? Or, I could just accept that I'm a BAD MAN who is trying to PERVERT PERL in NASTY WAYS. No, you're confusing yourself with Damian :-) [FX: points to Symbol::Approx::Sub] Are you *quite* sure about that? -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash
I was just looking thru CPAN (and, yes, I realise I should have done that _before_ writing T::H::R[1]) and I found a module called Tie::RegexpHash. Having looked at it in some detail, I see it's doing the opposite of T::H::R and I think that's quite interesting. In T::H::R, the keys are always strings. Just as they are in 'real' hashes. The only clever bits (and therefore the only bits I had to override from Tie::StdHash) are when you're looking up a key - FETCH, EXISTS and DELETE. If your key doesn't match an existing key, then it's used as a regex and we see if that regex matches any of the existing keys. In T::R, the keys that you use in the hash are all treated as regexes. In effect you're saying if you look up a value using a key that matches this regex, then return this value. An added complication is that the key/value pairs are _ordered_ (the underlying object is an array, not a hash) so that you can guarantee that the regexes are checked in the same order as you added them to the hash. It's all very clever, but I'm not convinced how useful it is[2]. And it took a whole bunch more implementation than T::H::R did. Oh, and it's written for Perl 5.6, but the only reason I can see is so the author can 'use warnings'. Anyway, just thought someone might be interested :) Dave... [1] Hmmm... note to self - see if you can come up with a tied hash that abbreviates to T::H::C. [2] Not that I'm one to complain about _that_ - people in glass houses... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Decisions decisions
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Re: Decisions decisions
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:30:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: It seems that a PDP 11/73 is small enough to run at home. So do I get one or not? Yes! You'll have enough blinkenlights then. You can always get 7th Edition running on it. http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/index.html -Dom
Re: Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash
In T::R, the keys that you use in the hash are all treated as regexes. In effect you're saying if you look up a value using a key that matches this regex, then return this value. An added complication is that the key/value pairs are _ordered_ (the underlying object is an array, not a hash) so that you can guarantee that the regexes are checked in the same order as you added them to the hash. It's all very clever, but I'm not convinced how useful it is[2]. And it took a whole bunch more implementation than T::H::R did. Oh, and it's written for Perl 5.6, but the only reason I can see is so the author can 'use warnings'. I have wrote something in 1997 that needed exactly this (although I never dreamed of looking at CPAN for a module to do something so simple): I need to do a whois lookup for a domain name. Different domain names need to be looked up on different whois servers. So I have a list of domains and their relevant whois server, like: co.uk = whois.nic.uk. So I can look for, e.g., test.co.uk in the list and know that I need to query whois.nic.uk for info about that domain. -- sigs are for whimps
Hello and one or two dull questions
Hi, after a while off list, (in my first real perl job) I have wandered back. Just trying to remember, is there an archive so I can see what has come up recently? Was YAPC::Europe fun? Has anyone managed to ask the Camel what it's name is yet? Tony -- Tony Kennick TechnoPhobia Limited. Phone: +44 (0)114 2212123 Fax: +44 (0)114 2212124 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.technophobia.com Registered in England and Wales Company No. 3063669 VAT registration No. 598 7858 42 The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee and are intended solely for the recipients use. If you are not the addressee, you have received this e-mail in error. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the author personally and not TechnoPhobia Limited who do not accept responsibility for the contents of the message. All e-mail communications, in and out of TechnoPhobia, are recorded for monitoring purposes.
FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
Redvers Davies writes: About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. I'm not taking sides about whether the slaughters are justified. Here, though, are the facts about the disease. FMD causes painful suppurating blisters around the mouth and on the hooves of animals. The blisters break open after a few days and become infected sores up to six cm in size. While the disease cause a higher death rate amoung young animals, it rarely kills adults. However, it makes them lame, unable to eat, and ill. The mouth lesions heal, but in many cases the hoofs can separate from the soft tissue around them. There are no cures or treatments. It's an incredibly hardy virus that spreads easily and exists in many strains. Recovered animals can carry the virus for up to three years, and are generally only immune to reinfection from the same strain for 1-3 years. You can see pictures of the progress of the disease at: http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/FandMinx.htm In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses that may infect the animals. Sources: http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/livestock/fmd/ http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/NewsFM.htm http://school.discovery.com/homeworkhelp/worldbook/atozscience/f/203700.html http://www.up.ac.za/academic/veterinary/fmd/ Nat
Re: Hello and one or two dull questions
On Fri, 25 May 2001 14:41:56 +0100, you wrote: Just trying to remember, is there an archive so I can see what has come up recently? There is a mail archive of this list at: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/ -- mikey
Re: Decisions decisions
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:30:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: It seems that a PDP 11/73 is small enough to run at home. So do I get one or not? Yes! You'll have enough blinkenlights then. No! Remind me of some of the reasons you wanted to get rid of the defender machine? I'm sure one of them was lack of space in Cantrell mansions. I hope he's got solid floorboards; the last PDP/11 I saw was muchos heavy, too. -Dom
Re: Decisions decisions
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: No! Remind me of some of the reasons you wanted to get rid of the defender machine? I'm sure one of them was lack of space in Cantrell mansions. Ignore the heretic and his shouts of compare! swap! Embrace the siren call of the hardware. Or get an emulator and save on aircon... :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses that may infect the animals. Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with countries when you have vaccinated the animals. Vaccinated animals can still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to get it. Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated againsed the infection.
Re: Decisions decisions
* Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: No! Remind me of some of the reasons you wanted to get rid of the defender machine? I'm sure one of them was lack of space in Cantrell mansions. Ignore the heretic and his shouts of compare! swap! Embrace the siren call of the hardware. Don't encourage the spamrice hoarder, you know he is already too close to the edge ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Hello and one or two dull questions
Tony Kennick sent the following bits through the ether: is there an archive so I can see what has come up recently? I've been doing weekly summaries of the mailing list, which may help: http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... But soft, what light through yonder tagline breaks?
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
On 25/05/2001 at 15:08 +0100, will wrote: In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses that may infect the animals. Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with countries when you have vaccinated the animals. Vaccinated animals can still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to get it. Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated againsed the infection. The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP last year. Tourism makes billions. The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Friday Afternoon Fun
It's a slow day :) http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83309 And you might enjoy this challenge: http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83316 Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
On 25/05/2001 at 15:40 +0100, will wrote: The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP last year. Tourism makes billions. The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat. So a program of vaccination and slaughter to erradicate the disease will firstly benefit the tourist industry and then also the meat market. Not that I am a big fan of farmers or the countryside alliance types (and that is being generous) but I think it would be the best solution all round. Ooo ar. No, because the sheer amount of fuss made over FM clobbered the tourist industry- possibly for years, although this is admittely anecdotal and predictive- whereas if we'd quietly vaccinated, accepted no meat exports for a year, and then let the farming industry get back on its feet, we'd not have had to kill *three million* animals, and poison water, and close footpaths, and the tourist industry wouldn't have suffered the way it has over the last couple of months. So, why insist on the 'slaughter' bit? -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Towel Day - today, drinks 7pm.
In tribute to Douglas Adams, today is Towel Day. http://towelday.org/ Still time to pick up yours and come to drink at the Captain's Cabin tonight: http://greatzarquon.tripod.com/ Martin
RE: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
From: will Of course we could just build a super-gun (a-la iraq) and shoot bloated carcasses at Redmond. This is my favouite idea. Pigs In Space Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:54:35PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: o Sneakers Had I been able to locate my copy you would have been more than welcome to borrow it it would appear mine's in storage. If I get a chance before Saturday I'll try and track it down. I happened to find this on DVD at Tower yesterday, 2 for £25[0], so I bought it, and will bring it on Sunday. [0] no, not two copies of Sneakers. -- Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +447966251290 The day is seven hours and fifteen minutes old, and already it's crippled with the weight of my evasions, deceit, and downright lies
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Niklas Nordebo wrote: I happened to find this on DVD at Tower yesterday, 2 for £25[0], so I bought it, and will bring it on Sunday. Groovesome. May have to pick that up myself as well.
Re: Decisions decisions
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:08:41PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ignore the heretic and his shouts of compare! swap! Embrace the siren call of the hardware. I would never ignore the heretic - if I did, he wouldn't introduce me to eccellent restaurants, and get me drunk and stuff. Don't encourage the spamrice hoarder, you know he is already too close to the edge ;-) /me falls off the edge fxaaa ... SPLAT/fx -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david If a job's worth doing, it's worth dieing for
Re: Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash
At 02:18 PM 2001.05.25 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: [1] Hmmm... note to self - see if you can come up with a tied hash that abbreviates to T::H::C. Semi-plausible: Tie::Hash::Complex Not-plausible: Tie::Hash::Cannabis Might see the light of day?: Tie::Hash::Conway -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:25:43PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. There was me thinking the threat to animal health was the six inch bolt that gets driven thru' their skulls and ultimately them being wrapped in polystyrene and put on a cold shelf in Sainsbury's... Paul
Re: Hello and one or two dull questions
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:01:15PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Tony Kennick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Has anyone managed to ask the Camel what it's name is yet? our camel or the Perl Programming/logo camel? i have been told that the PP/P logo camel is called ... damn, i've forgotten, its the same as the name of the girl who was at Y::E from the Perl mongers, damn, i can't remember her name, sheesh . Amelia dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ 'Don't be tempted to veer off!' - Paul McGann
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
On Fri, 25 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:25:43PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. There was me thinking the threat to animal health was the six inch bolt that gets driven thru' their skulls and ultimately them being wrapped in polystyrene and put on a cold shelf in Sainsbury's... indeed. there's one thing I can honestly say is 'nothing to do with me guvnor'[1] [1] err apart from my motorcycle leathers .. and I was intending wearing them, not eating em. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 02:18 PM 2001.05.25 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: [1] Hmmm... note to self - see if you can come up with a tied hash that abbreviates to T::H::C. Semi-plausible: Tie::Hash::Complex Not-plausible: Tie::Hash::Cannabis Might see the light of day?: Tie::Hash::Conway Presumably this will lead to a load of gags about not wanting to go too far from his stash? -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
