Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-25 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 and i can't buy it, because its still on boring old VHS

 - Greg 'DVD' McCarroll

It *was* released on DVD (in the US, but we don't care about that, do
we boys and girls) but this was a while back, and it's now out of stock
(everywhere.)

I think this might be the one film I'd be prepared to have a copy on VHS
and on DVD.

Hmmm.

Mark.

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Re: Beer fest beckons

2001-05-25 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:00:40PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 03:28:49PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
  So I get a call on my mobile in the middle of the beer fest from a
  potential collaborator telling me he can't send me the promised
  documentation due to the fact my inbox has exploded spectacularly
  and exceeded my meagre disk quota.  Given that I'm far too busy drinking
  ale to go and faff around wth the university computing service, I shall
  temporarily unsubscribe.
 THere is the option of cadging a shell account off of someone, with 
 no fascist disk quota ...

She has (at least) one of those, it just has a fascist MRA. :)

MBM




Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-25 Thread Struan Donald

* at 24/05 23:18 +0100 Greg McCarroll said:
 
 p.s. at the risk of raising the heckles of BlackStar, does anyone
 know the URL of the company based in the channel islands (or isle
 of mann) that sell american dvds to the UK at the time they
 are released in the US? 247 or something?

http://www.play247.com/ would be them. 

struan



Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-25 Thread Jon Eyre


Greg McCarroll wrote:

 think on you young-uns, before that the sexiest thing on TV was that
 monster who ate the sandwich in the last round of the adventure game

It was a green cheese roll, on account of the vortex only liking 
to eat stuff with doubled letters in it...

Gronda gronda Ragnor
j

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Laziest way of selling stuph on line?

2001-05-25 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


Is there any easier way of flogging stuff on line than using Amazon
Z-shops? They settle quickly, commission isn't horrendous and they do
some inventory management.

Thoughts?



more PDP-11s to rescue

2001-05-25 Thread David Cantrell


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Re: Laziest way of selling stuph on line?

2001-05-25 Thread Chris Heathcote

on 25/5/01 10:17 am, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Is there any easier way of flogging stuff on line than using Amazon
 Z-shops? They settle quickly, commission isn't horrendous and they do
 some inventory management.

I think Yahoo do a similar deal.

Not necessarily much better tho'.

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Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed

2001-05-25 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:35:52PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
   my @array = $h{two};

I bumped into this in 1997 and became convinced list contexts aren't
propagated to the effective sub call. If you look at the above line,
there's something very odd seeming about it anyway, and it's not
necessarily clear WTF is going on :-) At that time I didn't really have
resources/time to mention it to anyone and worked around it (them days of
riding back to Reading at 3am or sleeping on a couch ready for a 7am
start, etc -- and I were grateful!)

The source for what I was working on is locked on an NT box (boo!) at
work; I'll check there and see what I did (FWIW; probably not exciting).

Paul



Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed

2001-05-25 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 my @array = $h{two};
  ^
In perl 5 at least, *this* is your scalar context.

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RE: wantarray and Tied Hashed

2001-05-25 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Simon Cozens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:02 PM

 On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
  my @array = $h{two};
   ^
 In perl 5 at least, *this* is your scalar context.

Good point. But even if I change it to:

my @array = @h{two};

FETCH doesn't get called in list context (instead it gets called once in
scalar context for each key in the list - in this case once). I can see why
Perl does this and I _almost_ agree that it's the right thing.

Anyway, as I said before, you can work around it with

my @array = tied(%h)-FETCH('two');

If anyone is interested, Tie::Hash::Regex is currently winging its way to
your favourite CPAN mirror.

Dave...

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Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed

2001-05-25 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 12:15:44PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 Anyway, as I said before, you can work around it with
 
 my @array = tied(%h)-FETCH('two');
 
 If anyone is interested, Tie::Hash::Regex is currently winging its way to
 your favourite CPAN mirror.

I wonder, could you do some magic with the calling stack so that your
FETCH can Do The Right Thing?

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Re: Laziest way of selling stuph on line?

2001-05-25 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 on 25/5/01 10:17 am, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
  Is there any easier way of flogging stuff on line than using Amazon
  Z-shops? They settle quickly, commission isn't horrendous and they do
  some inventory management.
 
 I think Yahoo do a similar deal.
 
 Not necessarily much better tho'.

I looked there and it was REALLY hard to find anything useful. 

Wonder what happened to all those Intershop ASPs from a year or two
ago.


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Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed

2001-05-25 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 12:36:59PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I wonder, could you do some magic with the calling stack so that your
  FETCH can Do The Right Thing?
 
 Or, I could just accept that I'm a BAD MAN who is trying to PERVERT PERL in
 NASTY WAYS.

No, you're confusing yourself with Damian :-)

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Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed

2001-05-25 Thread Piers Cawley

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 12:36:59PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   I wonder, could you do some magic with the calling stack so that your
   FETCH can Do The Right Thing?
  
  Or, I could just accept that I'm a BAD MAN who is trying to PERVERT PERL in
  NASTY WAYS.
 
 No, you're confusing yourself with Damian :-)

[FX: points to Symbol::Approx::Sub]

Are you *quite* sure about that?

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Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash

2001-05-25 Thread Cross David - dcross


I was just looking thru CPAN (and, yes, I realise I should have done that
_before_ writing T::H::R[1]) and I found a module called Tie::RegexpHash.
Having looked at it in some detail, I see it's doing the opposite of T::H::R
and I think that's quite interesting.

In T::H::R, the keys are always strings. Just as they are in 'real' hashes.
The only clever bits (and therefore the only bits I had to override from
Tie::StdHash) are when you're looking up a key - FETCH, EXISTS and DELETE.
If your key doesn't match an existing key, then it's used as a regex and we
see if that regex matches any of the existing keys.

In T::R, the keys that you use in the hash are all treated as regexes. In
effect you're saying if you look up a value using a key that matches this
regex, then return this value. An added complication is that the key/value
pairs are _ordered_ (the underlying object is an array, not a hash) so that
you can guarantee that the regexes are checked in the same order as you
added them to the hash.

It's all very clever, but I'm not convinced how useful it is[2]. And it took
a whole bunch more implementation than T::H::R did. Oh, and it's written for
Perl 5.6, but the only reason I can see is so the author can 'use warnings'.

Anyway, just thought someone might be interested :)

Dave...

[1] Hmmm... note to self - see if you can come up with a tied hash that
abbreviates to T::H::C.

[2] Not that I'm one to complain about _that_ - people in glass houses...

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Decisions decisions

2001-05-25 Thread David Cantrell

It seems that a PDP 11/73 is small enough to run at home.  So do I get one
or not?

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Re: Decisions decisions

2001-05-25 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:30:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 It seems that a PDP 11/73 is small enough to run at home.  So do I get one
 or not?

Yes!  You'll have enough blinkenlights then.

You can always get 7th Edition running on it.

http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/index.html

-Dom



Re: Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash

2001-05-25 Thread Steve Keay

 In T::R, the keys that you use in the hash are all treated as regexes. In
 effect you're saying if you look up a value using a key that matches this
 regex, then return this value. An added complication is that the key/value
 pairs are _ordered_ (the underlying object is an array, not a hash) so that
 you can guarantee that the regexes are checked in the same order as you
 added them to the hash.
 
 It's all very clever, but I'm not convinced how useful it is[2]. And it took
 a whole bunch more implementation than T::H::R did. Oh, and it's written for
 Perl 5.6, but the only reason I can see is so the author can 'use warnings'.

I have wrote something in 1997 that needed exactly this (although I
never dreamed of looking at CPAN for a module to do something so
simple):

I need to do a whois lookup for a domain name.  Different domain
names need to be looked up on different whois servers.  So I have a
list of domains and their relevant whois server, like: co.uk =
whois.nic.uk.  So I can look for, e.g., test.co.uk in the list and
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Hello and one or two dull questions

2001-05-25 Thread Tony Kennick


Hi, after a while off list, (in my first real perl job) I have wandered
back. Just trying to remember, is there an archive so I can see what has
come up recently? Was YAPC::Europe fun? Has anyone managed to ask the
Camel what it's name is yet?

Tony

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FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread Nathan Torkington

Redvers Davies writes:
 About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious
 threat to animal health.
 
 That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health,
 the MAFF slaughters are.

I'm not taking sides about whether the slaughters are justified.
Here, though, are the facts about the disease.

FMD causes painful suppurating blisters around the mouth and on the
hooves of animals.  The blisters break open after a few days and
become infected sores up to six cm in size.  While the disease cause a
higher death rate amoung young animals, it rarely kills adults.
However, it makes them lame, unable to eat, and ill.  The mouth lesions
heal, but in many cases the hoofs can separate from the soft tissue
around them.

There are no cures or treatments.  It's an incredibly hardy virus that
spreads easily and exists in many strains.  Recovered animals can
carry the virus for up to three years, and are generally only immune
to reinfection from the same strain for 1-3 years.

You can see pictures of the progress of the disease at:
  http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/FandMinx.htm

In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate
at regular intervals.  The vaccines only offer protection for a short
period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses
that may infect the animals.

Sources:

http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/livestock/fmd/
http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/NewsFM.htm
http://school.discovery.com/homeworkhelp/worldbook/atozscience/f/203700.html
http://www.up.ac.za/academic/veterinary/fmd/

Nat





Re: Hello and one or two dull questions

2001-05-25 Thread Michael Pye

On Fri, 25 May 2001 14:41:56 +0100, you wrote:

Just trying to remember, is there an archive so I can see what has
come up recently?

There is a mail archive of this list at:

http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/

--
mikey



Re: Decisions decisions

2001-05-25 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:30:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
   It seems that a PDP 11/73 is small enough to run at home.  So do I get one
   or not?
  
  Yes!  You'll have enough blinkenlights then.
 
 No! Remind me of some of the reasons you wanted to get rid of
 the defender machine? I'm sure one of them was lack of space
 in Cantrell mansions.

I hope he's got solid floorboards; the last PDP/11 I saw was muchos
heavy, too.

-Dom



Re: Decisions decisions

2001-05-25 Thread Dean

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 No! Remind me of some of the reasons you wanted to get rid of
 the defender machine? I'm sure one of them was lack of space
 in Cantrell mansions.

Ignore the heretic and his shouts of compare! swap! Embrace the
siren call of the hardware.

Or get an emulator and save on aircon... :)

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Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread will

 In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate
 at regular intervals.  The vaccines only offer protection for a short
 period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses
 that may infect the animals.

Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with
countries when you have vaccinated the animals.  Vaccinated animals can
still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to get it.
Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling
infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated againsed the
infection.




Re: Decisions decisions

2001-05-25 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  No! Remind me of some of the reasons you wanted to get rid of
  the defender machine? I'm sure one of them was lack of space
  in Cantrell mansions.
 
 Ignore the heretic and his shouts of compare! swap! Embrace the
 siren call of the hardware.
 

Don't encourage the spamrice hoarder, you know he is already
too close to the edge ;-)

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Re: Hello and one or two dull questions

2001-05-25 Thread Leon Brocard

Tony Kennick sent the following bits through the ether:

 is there an archive so I can see what has come up recently?

I've been doing weekly summaries of the mailing list, which may help:
http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary

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Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread Paul Mison

On 25/05/2001 at 15:08 +0100, will wrote:
 In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate
 at regular intervals.  The vaccines only offer protection for a short
 period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses
 that may infect the animals.

Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with
countries when you have vaccinated the animals.  Vaccinated animals can
still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to
get it.
Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling
infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated
againsed the
infection.

The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP
last year. Tourism makes billions.

The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat.

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Friday Afternoon Fun

2001-05-25 Thread Cross David - dcross


It's a slow day :) http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83309

And you might enjoy this challenge:

http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83316

Dave...

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Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread Paul Mison

On 25/05/2001 at 15:40 +0100, will wrote:

 The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP
 last year. Tourism makes billions.

 The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat.

So a program of vaccination and slaughter to erradicate the disease will
firstly benefit the tourist industry and then also the meat market.  Not
that I am a big fan of farmers or the countryside alliance types (and that
is being generous) but I think it would be the best solution all
round.  Ooo
ar.

No, because the sheer amount of fuss made over FM clobbered the
tourist industry- possibly for years, although this is admittely
anecdotal and predictive- whereas if we'd quietly vaccinated, accepted
no meat exports for a year, and then let the farming industry get back
on its feet, we'd not have had to kill *three million* animals, and
poison water, and close footpaths, and the tourist industry wouldn't
have suffered the way it has over the last couple of months. So, why
insist on the 'slaughter' bit?

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Towel Day - today, drinks 7pm.

2001-05-25 Thread Martin Ling

In tribute to Douglas Adams, today is Towel Day.

http://towelday.org/

Still time to pick up yours and come to drink at the Captain's Cabin
tonight:

http://greatzarquon.tripod.com/


Martin



RE: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: will
 Of course we could just build a super-gun (a-la iraq) and 
 shoot bloated
 carcasses at Redmond.  This is my favouite idea.


Pigs In Space


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Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-25 Thread Niklas Nordebo

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:54:35PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
o Sneakers
 
 Had I been able to locate my copy you would have been more than welcome
 to borrow it it would appear mine's in storage. If I get a chance before
 Saturday I'll try and track it down.

I happened to find this on DVD at Tower yesterday, 2 for £25[0], so I
bought it, and will bring it on Sunday.

[0] no, not two copies of Sneakers.

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Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-25 Thread Simon Wistow

Niklas Nordebo wrote:
 
 I happened to find this on DVD at Tower yesterday, 2 for £25[0], so I
 bought it, and will bring it on Sunday.

Groovesome.

May have to pick that up myself as well.



Re: Decisions decisions

2001-05-25 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:08:41PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Ignore the heretic and his shouts of compare! swap! Embrace the
  siren call of the hardware.

I would never ignore the heretic - if I did, he wouldn't introduce me to
eccellent restaurants, and get me drunk and stuff.

 Don't encourage the spamrice hoarder, you know he is already
 too close to the edge ;-)

/me falls off the edge

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Re: Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash

2001-05-25 Thread Chris Devers

At 02:18 PM 2001.05.25 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
[1] Hmmm... note to self - see if you can come up 
with a tied hash that abbreviates to T::H::C.

Semi-plausible: Tie::Hash::Complex
Not-plausible: Tie::Hash::Cannabis

Might see the light of day?: Tie::Hash::Conway




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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21

2001-05-25 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:25:43PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
 That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health,
 the MAFF slaughters are.

There was me thinking the threat to animal health was the six inch bolt
that gets driven thru' their skulls and ultimately them being wrapped in
polystyrene and put on a cold shelf in Sainsbury's...

Paul



Re: Hello and one or two dull questions

2001-05-25 Thread David H. Adler

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:01:15PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Tony Kennick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   Has anyone managed to ask the
  Camel what it's name is yet?
  
 
 our camel or the Perl Programming/logo camel? i have been told that
 the PP/P logo camel is called ... damn, i've forgotten,
 its the same as the name of the girl who was at Y::E from the Perl
 mongers, damn, i can't remember her name, sheesh .  

Amelia

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21

2001-05-25 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:25:43PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
  That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health,
  the MAFF slaughters are.
 
 There was me thinking the threat to animal health was the six inch bolt
 that gets driven thru' their skulls and ultimately them being wrapped in
 polystyrene and put on a cold shelf in Sainsbury's...

indeed. there's one thing I can honestly say is 'nothing to do with me
guvnor'[1]

[1] err apart from my motorcycle leathers .. and I was intending wearing
them, not eating em.

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Re: Tie::Hash::Regex vs Tie::RegexpHash

2001-05-25 Thread Piers Cawley

Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At 02:18 PM 2001.05.25 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 [1] Hmmm... note to self - see if you can come up 
 with a tied hash that abbreviates to T::H::C.
 
 Semi-plausible: Tie::Hash::Complex
 Not-plausible: Tie::Hash::Cannabis
 
 Might see the light of day?: Tie::Hash::Conway

Presumably this will lead to a load of gags about not wanting to go
too far from his stash?

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