RE: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Thompson


 From: Greg McCarroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Good Beer? 
 Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
 Food that can be ate in bar?
 Lots of seating?
 Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
 Central to ``business'' London?
 
 with this scale, 
 
 Penderels scores  0,0,1,1,0.5,1 = 3.5
 Anchor scores ... 1,1,0,1,0.5,0 = 3.5

There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable
from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot).

Unfortunately I haven't been there for a while, but hopefully it's still as
good as I remember.

And there's and extra point if you can name the SF book it's mentioned in.


Rob


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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:29:19AM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote:
 There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable
 from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot).
 
 [snip]
 
 And there's and extra point if you can name the SF book it's mentioned in.

Well, the Silly Fairy book was _George and the Dragon_.

Where's my fiver? :-)

Paul

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Natalie Ford

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:16:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 Good Beer? 
 Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
 Food that can be ate in bar?
 Lots of seating?
 Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
 Central to ``business'' London?

Can we add accessibility to the list?  The main reason I  haven't been
to many social meets recently is that i would have to climb stairs to
get to you all and then climb down loads of stairs to get to the loo
(e.g. Barrowboy and Banker).  At least the PO I climb down to get to
you all and the loos are on the same level (good)...

Natalie
apologies for any typos - I can't see too well today...



Re: bad greg

2001-05-31 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives
  of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain
  name registry with a neat web based management system for handling
  the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the
  url?
 www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk
 FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too),
  ^
are they??

 recommended to me by Mr Couzens, at least one other person on this list
 co-los with them, they have clue, all-round nice guys.

Wonder who that would be then. :)

MBM




Re: bad greg

2001-05-31 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:07:15PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
   Mr Couzens
  Die, alien slime!
 My apologies was typed in a hurry on a tube train and I didn't double
 check before it got sent when I got home.
 100 x I must check the spelling of people's surnames before hitting send

I have to say that I'm glad you didn't try to reproduce mine. :)

MBM




Re: bad greg

2001-05-31 Thread Piers Cawley

Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
   Mr Couzens
  
  Die, alien slime!
  
 My apologies was typed in a hurry on a tube train and I didn't double
 check before it got sent when I got home.
 
 100 x I must check the spelling of people's surnames before hitting send

I think you'll find that that only works if you do it the other way
around. 

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Shiels



 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:16:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  Good Beer?
  Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
  Food that can be ate in bar?
  Lots of seating?
  Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
  Central to ``business'' London?

 Can we add accessibility to the list?  The main reason I  haven't been
 to many social meets recently is that i would have to climb stairs to
 get to you all and then climb down loads of stairs to get to the loo
 (e.g. Barrowboy and Banker).  At least the PO I climb down to get to
 you all and the loos are on the same level (good)...

I like PO a lot. Not being a CAMRA member, I'm quite happy to sup Stella or
TVRs or Theakstons, and the food is cheap. My financial advisor works in the
office next door to the PO and I've just coincidentally booked an
appointment with him for 4pm next Thursday :-)

/Robert




Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Simon Wistow

Neil Ford wrote:

 Only one question food?

Yes, AFAIK. Standard pub grub.

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Re: bad greg

2001-05-31 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:00:22AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too),
   ^
 are they??

Indeed they are. http://www.earth.li/~noodles/computers.html

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OSCon London

2001-05-31 Thread Cross David - dcross


I got a catalogue mailed to me from ORA UK yesterday. Nothing unusual in
that, I'm always getting catalogues in the post from O'Reilly.

This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source
Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on
October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I can
find out.

Dave...

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Dean

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:03:54AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  I like PO a lot.

I can agree with this. Central, nice food, holds a lot of people.

Only problem i have with the place is that when we get seated in a corner
anyone who turns up late ends up sitting on another table. Its not a major
problem but its a bit disheartening to people turning up for the first time
when they get sat on the edge of a table away from the crowd.

 but now the summer is coming, aren't you tempted by long nights by
 the river?

Nope. I dislike having chunks bitten out of me.
Then again i shouldn't sit next to Cantrell i suppose ;)

Dean
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Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

I'm trying to duplicate an FS from an oldish 5,400rpm 6GB IDE drive to a new
7,200rpm 61GB IDE drive using the usual cp -ax / /mnt. But it's
unbelievably slow -- vmstat 2 is reporting bi/bo around 300!

Having just compared that with my main server (10K  7.2K SCSIs) that's
10x slower. The thing I noticed is that the interrupts were approaching
10K/s(!) whereas on the working box they're around 1500. CPU system is
also near-pegged around 80%.

Anyone know what might be going on here?

(Linux 2.2.17, Debian woody. The 6GB is connected with an 80pin IDE
cable -- might that do it??)

Paul, who will probably end up using FreeBSD since its hardware RAID
(HPT370) and video (Matrox G450 dual) is apparently better...



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:19:21AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 Paul, who will probably end up using FreeBSD since its hardware RAID
 (HPT370) and video (Matrox G450 dual) is apparently better...

vinum in mirror mode is not supposed to be that good (apparently it does
no integrity checking of the mirror). However, I am not an authoritative
source on this.

MBM




Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm trying to duplicate an FS from an oldish 5,400rpm 6GB IDE drive to a new
 7,200rpm 61GB IDE drive using the usual cp -ax / /mnt. But it's
 unbelievably slow -- vmstat 2 is reporting bi/bo around 300!

What does hdparm have to say?


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Re: OSCon London

2001-05-31 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 12:00  PM, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source
 Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London 
 on
 October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I 
 can
 find out.

Couldn't find anything on the O'Reilly site, events or conferences.
Maybe someone working for them who is also on this list might have
some information?

Marcel

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Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:27:07AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:19:21AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  Paul, who will probably end up using FreeBSD since its hardware RAID
  (HPT370) and video (Matrox G450 dual) is apparently better...
 
 vinum in mirror mode is not supposed to be that good (apparently it does
 no integrity checking of the mirror). However, I am not an authoritative
 source on this.

You don't have to use vinum with hardware raid.

I almost fell for that, too.  ;-)

OTOH, one other thing to be aware of with vinum (the software RAID bit
of FreeBSD) is that it doesn't support the root partition yet.  AFAIK.

-Dom

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Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:19:28AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 What does hdparm have to say?

Ah yes, thanks, I remember that from 1997, the last time I used it :-)

I switched DMA on both drives (hdparm -d1), and interrupts went down,
transfer rate went up and all was good. Now, why do I have to do that?
dmesg reports:

ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xc008-0xc00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio

i.e. both DMA, so why does hdparm -d say using_dma off (and the system
generally crawl)?

Paul

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Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Thu, May 31, 2001 at 12:37:22PM +0100, Mark Fowler typed:

I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have
and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.)  Are they randomly
switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the
installer when they switched back.

http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/ActivePerl/Requirements

gives download sites from MS for 9x and NT.

Roger



Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Dean

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 12:37:22PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
 I head off to the activestate page and download the MSI for the latest
 build.  My question is...how do I install this?  I can't find the MSI
 installer anywhere on their site.

What version of Windows is it? 2000, ME and the newer ones have it built
in. NT, 95 and 98 can have it bolted on
 
 I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have
 and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.)  Are they randomly
 switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the
 installer when they switched back.

If you go here:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/ActivePerl/

And click the AS Package link. This will give you Perl and options to get
the MSI installer for your version of Windows.

HTH
Dean
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Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Chris Heathcote

on 31/5/01 12:37 pm, Mark Fowler wrote:

 I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have
 and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.)  Are they randomly
 switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the
 installer when they switched back.

I have vague memories that MSI is a new MS installation format, that needs a
new Windows installer - prolly Win98...

c.
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Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Andy Williams


You can find it at
http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/wininst/1.1/W9X/EN-US/InstMsi.exe

Andy



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grassy knoll and shout,DUCK!!


On Thu, 31 May 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

 So I'm using a windows computer to do some stuff.  Which means I need a
 decent scripting language, that means I install perl.

 I head off to the activestate page and download the MSI for the latest
 build.  My question is...how do I install this?  I can't find the MSI
 installer anywhere on their site.

 I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have
 and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.)  Are they randomly
 switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the
 installer when they switched back.

 'elp!

 Mark.


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Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 You can find it at
 http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/wininst/1.1/W9X/EN-US/InstMsi.exe

yip i've seen this format as well, does anyone know what advantages it
has? does it enforce any standards for the software? is it just a M$ 
ploy to control the standard install packages?

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Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Thu, May 31, 2001 at 01:07:31PM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:

yip i've seen this format as well, does anyone know what advantages it
has? does it enforce any standards for the software? is it just a M$ 
ploy to control the standard install packages?

I'll take option C for six million dollars, Bob...

It makes a certain amount of sense. Rather than having to distribute
an installer program with every package, have a standard installer
program that you only need to download once.

Copying files, of course, is _much_ too difficult.

R



Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Redvers Davies

   I like PO a lot.
 I can agree with this. Central, nice food, holds a lot of people.

Well, for everyone that likes there is an equal and opersite number of those
who dislike.  I really don't like the PO...  We need somewhere which is
quieter although I can't think of anywhere at the moment.  Actually, while
I think about it there is a pub in Minories which has a private bar that groups
can hire out (paid in pints I'm sure).  They do good food too.

I'll see if I can find a name and find out what the terms could be.  Another
excuse for an away-party ;)

Hmmm...

Red



Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:

 It makes a certain amount of sense. Rather than having to distribute an
 installer program with every package, have a standard installer program
 that you only need to download once.

 Copying files, of course, is _much_ too difficult.

Hmm..all working now (well, apart from GD crashing every time I try and
write out a JPEG - but that's another converstation)

I supose the real question is

 a) Why don't activestate mirror the latest installer on their site, or..
 b) At least link to it whenever you offer a MSI package to download (or
at least on the 'downloads' page

From my point of view I clicked on the 'activeperl' link on their front
page and was simply offered a load of files that I had no idea how to
download.

Grr.

Mark. (back to coding under 'nix)

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Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Barbie

From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I supose the real question is

  a) Why don't activestate mirror the latest installer on their site, or..
  b) At least link to it whenever you offer a MSI package to download (or
 at least on the 'downloads' page

Last time I downloaded (build 623) they had both the explanation about the
installer and a direct link to it on the M$ site. Even the install notes
page makes no mention of it. Pretty poor if you ask me.

Barbie





Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Simon Wistow

Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
 [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with
 Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness.
 
 [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind
 this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted.


404 - G3b0rk3d



Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:02 PM
 
  Just plucked this out of alt.humour.best.of.usenet (originally from
  the frasier newsgroup), and it made me curl up with laughter, maybe 
  its not everyones taste of funny but some may enjoy it  
 
 [snip]
 
 Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1].
 
 Dave...
 
 [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with
 Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness.

if you really want to find out about Mr Corley, you are far better
doing a dejanews search for the man, i even found a FAQ about him, my 
favourite bit was ...

 2.  What is the evidence for his claims?

 Evidence is Mike's Achilles Heel, the area where he has most
 difficulty. Over the years, many people have tried to help him present
 convincing evidence for his claims of MI5 persecution. They have asked
 the pertinent questions: What is their motive? How are they able to do
 it? Sadly, despite all this encouragement from other Usenet users, Mike
 has made very little progress in this respect to date.

thats spys for you, they never leave you evidence!


 [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind
 this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted.

its a conspiracy!

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Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Cross David - dcross wrote:
  
  [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with
  Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness.
  
  [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind
  this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted.
 
 
 404 - G3b0rk3d

more evidence of a conspiracy!

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RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM

 Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted
with
  Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness.
  
  [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from
behind
  this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted.
 
 404 - G3b0rk3d

'K. Try this one then http://www.five.org.uk/.

I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me.

Dave...

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Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM
 
  Cross David - dcross wrote:
  
   [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted
 with
   Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness.
   
   [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from
 behind
   this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted.
  
  404 - G3b0rk3d
 
 'K. Try this one then http://www.five.org.uk/.
 
 I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me.
 

Surely you mean Boleslaw Tadeusz Szocik. He lives i believe in
Englewood Road, SW12 (exact number removed just in case).

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Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:10:39PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1].

Is that fuckwit still going?

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RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread duncan


I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me.

because your gold plated cats keep on getting covered in tin foil?




duncan




RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:32 PM

 * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM
  
   Cross David - dcross wrote:
   
[1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet
acquainted
with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness.

[2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from
behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is 
restricted.
   
   404 - G3b0rk3d
  
  'K. Try this one then http://www.five.org.uk/.
  
  I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me.
 
 Surely you mean Boleslaw Tadeusz Szocik. He lives i believe in
 Englewood Road, SW12 (exact number removed just in case).

That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me.

Dave...

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Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:10:39PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1].
 
 Is that fuckwit still going?
 

yeah, but he's a little thin these days as he's been on a spam and rice
diet to use up his Y2K emergency supplies ;-)

(sorry that was to easy to skip over)

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RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Andy Williams

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me.

 Dave...


I'd move


Andy




RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Andy Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me.
 
  Dave...
 
 
 I'd move
  
 Andy


Nah...

Have some fun...

Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again
black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera.

Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the
effect.

Rob
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Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robert Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  From: Andy Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
  On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
  
   That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me.
  
   Dave...
  
  
  I'd move
   
  Andy
 
 
 Nah...
 
 Have some fun...
 
 Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again
 black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera.


add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads
dissappearing into a satchel for more fun

 Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the
 effect.
 

also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form
of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock
equal to the prime series mod 60



-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I'm trying to duplicate an FS from an oldish 5,400rpm 6GB IDE drive to a new
  7,200rpm 61GB IDE drive using the usual cp -ax / /mnt. But it's
  unbelievably slow -- vmstat 2 is reporting bi/bo around 300!
 
 What does hdparm have to say?

good point ... many/most linux distros come with all the bells and
whistles for quick HD access turned to 'off'  .. I tripled the transfer
rate on my slaptop by turning DMA and other stuff on ... and it didn;t
explode like the manpage said it might.

another tip is to mount the two IDE devices on seperate controllers ..
seems to improve things sometimes.

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Andy Williams

 
  Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again
  black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera.


 add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads
 dissappearing into a satchel for more fun

  Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the
  effect.
 

 also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form
 of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock
 equal to the prime series mod 60


Way too much thought has gone into this are you sure _you're_ not part
of THE conspiracy!!!

Andy




Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again
   black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera.
 
 
  add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads
  dissappearing into a satchel for more fun
 
   Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the
   effect.
  
 
  also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form
  of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock
  equal to the prime series mod 60
 
 
 Way too much thought has gone into this are you sure _you're_ not part
 of THE conspiracy!!!
 

no, otherwise i would of specified to start this with a prime greater than 60 

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London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-28

2001-05-31 Thread Leon Brocard

This is the nineteenth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers
mailing list. For the random week starting 2001-05-28, which started
off fairly quietly and had 170 messages.

Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting
is an social meeting on Thursday 7th June which clashes with
elections, with location yet to be determined but probably the PO:
http://london.pm.org/

James Duncan asked a question which essentially boiled down to the
fact that he needed a method to find out if something is blessed,
rather than just a reference. Richard Clamp pointed him to
Scalar::Util's bless function. Scalar::Util (and List::Util) add
useful functions to the Perl language, so check 'em out:
http://search.cpan.org/doc/GBARR/Scalar-List-Utils-1.02/lib/Scalar/Util.pm
http://search.cpan.org/doc/GBARR/Scalar-List-Utils-1.02/lib/List/Util.pm

Dean Wilson annouced a deal by Loki to ship their games for half price
if a LUG gets together and orders ten or more copies of a game. Mail
him if you're interested:
http://www.lokigames.com/

Paul Makepeace asked if there were any frameworks to create classes
from a grammar spec (such as EBNF). I pointed out Parse::RecDescent's
autotree directive and YAPE, Marcel talked about his data munging
framework plan again, everyone insulted the PDF format, and Nicholas
Clark spotted a flaw in the new Leon Brocard Drinking Game. So there
were lots of ideas but no real answer:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06224.html

It was one of those weeks. In other news, whatever happened to the
london.pm crazy golf game?, Tie::Hash::Cannabis, PDP 11/73, Amelia,
baiting perlmonks, more Foot and Mouth discussion, Pigs In Space,
Towel Day, Buffy / Eastenders crossover, pod2man bugs, coming back to
london-list from beer (and pulling over a thousand last week),
DBD::Illustra, Center of the World, GraphViz::DBI, dns wizardry, Mr
Couzens, l337 PERL, yapc::Europe accommodation, Email::Valid, more
attribute module announcements by Marcel, and pubs:
http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83309
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/features/exclusive.shtml
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06297.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06249.html

pok pok pok, Leon
-- 
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Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... isopropyl sethylphosphonofluoridate



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 another tip is to mount the two IDE devices on seperate controllers ..
 seems to improve things sometimes.

Oh Lord, yes. More busses than London General. No, really.


-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:32:58PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 whistles for quick HD access turned to 'off'  .. I tripled the transfer
 rate on my slaptop by turning DMA and other stuff on ... and it didn;t
 explode like the manpage said it might.

I caved and upgraded to 2.4.5, something I dislike doing with Debian.
2.4.x has better gfx card  AGP support. Anyway, there is an option
CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y and CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y which *still* don't
have udma switched on with the drives. Oh well.

Is there an agreed-upon place to perform the hdparm shenanigans during
boot? I would imagine early on...

OK, getting more esoteric now -- is anyone running dual monitors? I
finally got my G450 running with KDE2 but the window manager doesn't add
decoration to the windows on the 2ndary monitor, i.e. I can't move
windows and they don't get mouse focus.

Paul

-- 
Slow preparation, fast execution



LAMP in Amsterdam anyone?

2001-05-31 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


http://www.jobserve.com/jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=14094948



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:12:30AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 OK, getting more esoteric now -- is anyone running dual monitors? I
 finally got my G450 running with KDE2 but the window manager doesn't add
 decoration to the windows on the 2ndary monitor, i.e. I can't move
 windows and they don't get mouse focus.

You might need to run a 2nd copy of kwin, like this:

% kwin -- display :0.1

Try that and see if it works...

-Dom

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Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 OK, getting more esoteric now -- is anyone running dual monitors? I
 finally got my G450 running with KDE2 but the window manager doesn't add
 decoration to the windows on the 2ndary monitor, i.e. I can't move
 windows and they don't get mouse focus.

Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into
one display?)  E (still 0.15.5...) runs fine with this[1] on my G400 and
XFree86 4.0 (with dem beta drivers)

Later.

Mark.

[1] Actually sometimes it moves a windows I'm resizing on my secondary
monitor onto my first, but that's only once in a very blue moon.

-- 
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 http://www.twoshortplanks.com/  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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){for(0..30){$|=print$t-Tgoto(cm,$_,$y). $w;select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}




Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:26:14PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 You might need to run a 2nd copy of kwin, like this:
 
 % kwin -- display :0.1

(--display)

 Try that and see if it works...

Yes! Thanks. Now to get it to start like that on its own... It's very
weird re-learning X after nearly a decade since I last properly used it.

KDE2's Konqueror browser is really, really impressive. Wow! Seems
quicker and less crashy than Mozilla. Now if only it played Flash
and Quicktime movies...

Paul

-- 
From nothing to more than nothing



Re: LAMP in Amsterdam anyone?

2001-05-31 Thread Piers Cawley

Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://www.jobserve.com/jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=14094948

I've already sent in a CV for that one. Agent seemed a little
perturbed when I guessed who it was after his (short) description of
what the client did.

-- 
Piers Cawley
www.iterative-software.com




Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:41:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
 Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into
 one display?)

No, it's KDE2 which seems to split them into separate desktops. The
mouse moves between them as though they're one but I can't drag windows
back  forth (no loss, really). The Matrox Windows drivers are much
better -- graphical arbitrary relative positioning of the 2nd monitor.

 E (still 0.15.5...)

Talking of E check out these bus modes:

# hdparm -i /dev/hda | tail -1
 DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
#

Paul



Re: LAMP in Amsterdam anyone?

2001-05-31 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  http://www.jobserve.com/jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=14094948
 
 I've already sent in a CV for that one. Agent seemed a little
 perturbed when I guessed who it was after his (short) description of
 what the client did.

Sheesh, I am bumping up against you for all the short-term, hacky perl
gigs?

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:42:50AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:26:14PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  You might need to run a 2nd copy of kwin, like this:
  
  % kwin -- display :0.1
 
 (--display)

Sorry, saw that after I posted...  Why don't spell checkers understand
Unix?  :-)

  Try that and see if it works...
 
 Yes! Thanks. Now to get it to start like that on its own... It's very
 weird re-learning X after nearly a decade since I last properly used it.
 
 KDE2's Konqueror browser is really, really impressive. Wow! Seems
 quicker and less crashy than Mozilla. Now if only it played Flash
 and Quicktime movies...

Konqueror should be able to use any standard netscape plugins, such as
the flash plugin.  You're probably out of luck with the quicktime
movies though.

I'd like to tell you how to get the flash plugin working, but I couldn't
because it's a Linux .so and can't be linked in to my FreeBSD konqueror.  :-(

-Dom

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Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:47:28AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:41:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
  Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into
  one display?)
 
 No, it's KDE2 which seems to split them into separate desktops. The
 mouse moves between them as though they're one but I can't drag windows
 back  forth (no loss, really). The Matrox Windows drivers are much
 better -- graphical arbitrary relative positioning of the 2nd monitor.

The monitor layout should be controllable from the XF86Config file.
Somehow.  I haven't tried this though.  RTFM.

-Dom

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Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Simon Wistow

Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 
 I'd like to tell you how to get the flash plugin working, but I couldn't
 because it's a Linux .so and can't be linked in to my FreeBSD konqueror.  :-(

There's an OpenSource version written by Olivier Debon. It's not as good
as the official one but it's better than a kick in the tits with a wet
haddock.

http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/

-- 
simon wistowwireless systems coder
i think, i said i think this is our fault.



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:55:12PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 The monitor layout should be controllable from the XF86Config file.
 Somehow.  I haven't tried this though.  RTFM.

I have,

Section ServerLayout
Identifier  Default Layout
Screen  Primary
Screen  Secondary LeftOf Primary
InputDevice Generic Keyboard
InputDevice Configured Mouse
EndSection

What I really meant was Windows allows me to point-and-drool the 2ndary
monitor around and change the res and position on the fly rather than
having to restart X. Its cute graphic also shows the relative monitor
sizes -- which is actually depressing because it illustrates just how
much bigger  better the $1600 21 monitor (2048x1536, and usable) is
over a $400 21 (1280x1024, struggling to manage 80Hz) :-/

Paul



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 I have,

 Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Primary
 Screen Secondary LeftOf Primary InputDevice Generic Keyboard
 InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection


Look, look, bad Text::Autoformat setup.  I suck.  Anyway..

And I have

Section ServerLayout
Identifier  another layout
Screen  Primary
Screen  Secondary RightOf Primary
InputDevice Mouse1 CorePointer
InputDevice Keyboard1 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors
around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one
monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor
to the right.)

You can't do that in Windows.  Ha.


-- 
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Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 05:41:45PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
 On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Primary
  Screen Secondary LeftOf Primary InputDevice Generic Keyboard
  InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection
 
 
 Look, look, bad Text::Autoformat setup.  I suck.  Anyway..

Wait 'til you have 'X' at the end of a sentence! Or e.g. or something.
It gets Microsoftly clever.

 And I have
 
 Section ServerLayout
 Identifier  another layout
 Screen  Primary
 Screen  Secondary RightOf Primary
 InputDevice Mouse1 CorePointer
 InputDevice Keyboard1 CoreKeyboard
 EndSection
 
 You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors
 around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one
 monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor
 to the right.)
 
 You can't do that in Windows.  Ha.

Can too! You can have the 2nd one in any orientation at all to the 1st,
1400 pixels to the left, 1000 above, with a 1024x768 screen. *And* you
can do all this without restarting your window manager..

Not that I like Windows or anything :)

Paul



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Mison

On 31/05/2001 at 17:41 +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:

You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors
around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one
monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor
to the right.)

You can't do that in Windows.  Ha.

Are you sure?

Anyway, you've been able to do multiple monitors in Mac OS since 6
point something tiny. With as many monitors as you can get cards for
(theoretically, I think there are ways of doing about 20.) And all with
an idiotproof pointy clicky interface. Ha ha.

And it copes when you make a laptop go from dual-head back to running
on the internal screen- all the windows just move back. (Under OS 9,
anyway.)

Aha ha ha!

Sorry. I'll drink some more Unix kool aid in a minute.

--
:: paul
:: stay all day
:: if you want to





Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:41:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
  Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into
  one display?)
 
 No, it's KDE2 which seems to split them into separate desktops. The
 mouse moves between them as though they're one but I can't drag windows
 back  forth (no loss, really). The Matrox Windows drivers are much
 better -- graphical arbitrary relative positioning of the 2nd monitor.

I'm still waiting for someone to finally get support for my ATI Mobilty
r128 sorted out

still cant have the 2nd monitor or tvout stuff working under Linux ..
does under windoze though ...  and ATI reckon to provide oodles of
assistance to the Linux community so it should happen soon i hope.

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Redvers Davies

 KDE2's Konqueror browser is really, really impressive. Wow! Seems
 quicker and less crashy than Mozilla. Now if only it played Flash
 and Quicktime movies...

Mine does flash...



Re: Decompression

2001-05-31 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Dean wrote:
 Question for the unix people on the list. I have an archive that's gzipped
 up and contains either a number of small files or a single large file.
 
 What's the easiest way to extract any given file? It has to use core modules
 and anyone with a sample script can earn a pint ;)
 
 Also for future reference does any one know a better way to do this than
 Compress::Zlib, core or non-core.

I suppose 
# tar -xzf [archivename] [filename/that/you.want] 

is too easy .. I'm missing something again aren't I?

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Decompression

2001-05-31 Thread Dean

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 06:56:21PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  Also for future reference does any one know a better way to do this than
  Compress::Zlib, core or non-core.
 
 I suppose 
 # tar -xzf [archivename] [filename/that/you.want] 
 
 is too easy .. I'm missing something again aren't I?

Sorry, my bad. I'd like to be able to do the whole thing without shelling
out. I'm currently using something similar your example in the script and
it works but I'd rather use something in perl so i don't have to worry
about external locations or even OS (Zlib should work on Windows. I think)

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand
   --- Anon



Re: Decompression

2001-05-31 Thread Richard Clamp

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 06:28:44PM +0100, Dean wrote:
 Question for the unix people on the list. I have an archive that's gzipped
 up and contains either a number of small files or a single large file.

Umm, *strokes beard* by archive you mean tar file, right?  If so then
Archive::Tar looks likely, and it even automagically deals with .gz
files via Compress::Zlib (or so it says in the readme)

 What's the easiest way to extract any given file? It has to use core modules
 and anyone with a sample script can earn a pint ;)

No non-core modules though?  Can't you just create a local lib path
with Archive::Tar in it and say you didn't cheat?

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Forthcoming Meetings

2001-05-31 Thread Richard Clamp

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:09:56PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 Technical Meeting: Thursday 21st June
 
 Need a venue for this please people. And speakers. If any speakers want to
 practise TPC or YAPC::E talks, then this might be a good time to do it.

Sure, I'd like to do Itcpbug as a teaching tool as a 5-minute thingy.

Also assuming Mark doesn't bonk me over the head we'll do IWax::On
Wax::Off - A Discussion of Cognitive Transfer Techniques As Taken From
Mr Miyagi's Dojo, which is 25 minutes, with projector, audio and a
brandy glass full of brown MMs.

Now to write the thing, rather than just playing with magicpoint.

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: crazy golf

2001-05-31 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:



 What ever happened to the london.pm crazy golf game?


I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
is the problem.


/J\




Re: [ANNOUNCE] Attribute::Overload 0.02

2001-05-31 Thread Damian Conway

Note that you can't overload constants this way, since this has to
happen during BEGIN time, but attributes are only evaluated at CHECK
time (at least as far as `Attribute::Handlers' is concerned).

Not so. At least not as of the next release.

Grab the beta from:

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/CPAN/Attribute-Handlers.tar.gz

and look in the pod under Phase-specific attribute handlers.

;-)

Damian





Re: OSCon London

2001-05-31 Thread Nathan Torkington

Cross David - dcross writes:
 This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source
 Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on
 October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I can
 find out.

That conference was cancelled because
 (a) it clashed with ApacheCon, and
 (b) only the Great Depression would have been a worse time to try
 and launch into a new country

I tried like hell to make it work (and ate some shit in front of the
ApacheCon people to try and make it work with them, too) but in the end
there were just too many things working against it.  Sorry!

When will there be one?  I don't know.  I'd hope next year if the
economy improves, but I can't promise it.  As became obvious this
year, wanting to do a UK conference is completely different from being
able to.

Nat





Re: crazy golf

2001-05-31 Thread Richard Clamp

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
 is the problem.

If you book it, they will come.

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: bad greg

2001-05-31 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Ball wrote:

 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives
  of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain
  name registry with a neat web based management system for handling
  the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the
  url?
 
 123-reg.co.uk is my favourite at the moment..
 

I found gandi.net to be the nicest for TLDs, most of my IRL friends use
them.

A.

-- 
A HREF = http://termisoc.org/~betty; Betty @ termisoc.org /A
As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a 
complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy.  (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)

2001-05-31 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Leo Lapworth wrote:

 You might want to check out:
 
 Arron's Autodia - http://autodia.cuckoo.org/
 
 It's not quite at the stage I think you are after
 but I've lost track of what it can and can't do.
 Last I heard they were putting it up to be
 an candidate in the elections (actually, it's probably
 more intelligent than one of them!).
 
 Though the DB stuff might have been a conversation
 about GraphViz.. woo.. so many choices :)
 

hmm... SQL to Dia. Shouldn't be too hard to add the only issue would be
which shapes to use, I've never drawn a database scheme in Dia - anybody
care to reccomend some shapes and how they shoudl map to stuff - then I'll
code some DB handling magic into autodia.

btw - the current version of autodia (0.9) now handles c++ (if its very
simple) and perl (extracts *most* info) and has lots of lovelly commad
line options.

A.


-- 
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As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a 
complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy.  (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Sharpe

Aaron Trevena wrote:
 
 On Wed, 30 May 2001, Leo Lapworth wrote:
 
  You might want to check out:
 
  Arron's Autodia - http://autodia.cuckoo.org/
 
  It's not quite at the stage I think you are after
  but I've lost track of what it can and can't do.
  Last I heard they were putting it up to be
  an candidate in the elections (actually, it's probably
  more intelligent than one of them!).
 
  Though the DB stuff might have been a conversation
  about GraphViz.. woo.. so many choices :)
 
 
 hmm... SQL to Dia. Shouldn't be too hard to add the only issue would be
 which shapes to use, I've never drawn a database scheme in Dia - anybody
 care to reccomend some shapes and how they shoudl map to stuff - then I'll
 code some DB handling magic into autodia.
 

Look at the ER shapes.

paul

 btw - the current version of autodia (0.9) now handles c++ (if its very
 simple) and perl (extracts *most* info) and has lots of lovelly commad
 line options.
 
 A.
 
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Re: l337

2001-05-31 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:28:25AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell 
me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use 
so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are.
  
  tx!!
  
 
 hey dude,
 
 check out ...
 
 irc.rhizomatic.net
 london.rhizomatic.net
 
 join #london.pm and meet lots of hot chix who you can ask a/s/l to and ask if they 
have
 any war3z or pr0n
 
 laterz,
  z3R0 c0o1

CHOPS.

DHA l33tr n u...

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