Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
  I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
  is the problem.
 
 If you book it, they will come.
 

i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend

this feels *good*

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Inline::PERL

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross


Another gem from Perlmonks. I'm thinking I should post this one to the
Cookwood board :)

http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=84638

From the POD:

=head1 DESCRIPTION

Inline::PERL gives you the power of the PERL programming language from
within your Perl programs. This gives you instant access to hundreds
of pre-coded applications such as bulletin boards, hit counters and
shopping carts.

PERL is a programming language for writing CGI applications. It's main
strength is that it doesn't have any unnecessary warnings or
strictures. It is a direct descendent of Perl, a programming language
which was used mainly by programmers. However, the original language
required too much reading and thinking and so PERL was developed as a
language which was more in tune with the requirements of the Internet
age.


=head1 PERL DOCUMENTATION

Unfortunately there is no documentation for PERL (believe me I've
looked everywhere). Therefore, the best thing to do is to go straight
to comp.lang.perl.misc and ask your questions there.


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Re: Decompression

2001-06-01 Thread Dean S Wilson

-Original Message-
From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Umm, *strokes beard* by archive you mean tar file, right?  If so then
Archive::Tar looks likely, and it even automagically deals with .gz


This does exactly what I wanted, a pint is yours at the next meeting!


files via Compress::Zlib (or so it says in the readme)
It does as well, this should save a lot of grief.

No non-core modules though?  Can't you just create a local lib path
with Archive::Tar in it and say you didn't cheat?


If I can't get the module on the server then I guess I'll have to be
inventive and just add the whole module to my script ;)

And now back to your scheduled Buffy discussion.
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Re: Email::Valid

2001-06-01 Thread Peter Haworth

On Wed, 30 May 2001 17:14:15 +0100, Matthew Robinson wrote:
 RFC822 will allow all of the following (taken from CGI Programming with
 Perl) and was designed to accept all the addresses in use in 1982:
 
 Alfred Neuman Neuman@BBN-TENEXA
 :sysmail@ Some-Group. Some-Org
 Muhammed.(I am the greatest) Ali @(the)vegas.WBA

Attached is the address parser from my mail client (which I might eventually release). 
It returns an arrayref of hashrefs, containing:
  addr = The actual address (minus comments)
  comment = All the comments
  text = The whole text of the address
  name = The name

If I parse q(Alfred Neuman Neuman@BBN-TENEXA, :sysmail@ Some-Group. Some-Org, 
Muhammed.(I am the greatest) Ali @(the)vegas.WBA) with it, I get this back:

$VAR1 = [
  {
'text' = 'Alfred Neuman Neuman@BBN-TENEXA',
'comment' = undef,
'addr' = 'Neuman@BBN-TENEXA',
'name' = 'Alfred Neuman'
  },
  {
'text' = ' :sysmail@ Some-Group. Some-Org ',
'comment' = undef,
'addr' = ':[EMAIL PROTECTED]',
'name' = 'Alfred Neuman'
  },
  {
'text' = 'Muhammed.(I am the greatest) Ali @(the)vegas.WBA',
'comment' = ' (I am the greatest) (the)',
'addr' = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',
'name' = 'Alfred Neuman'
  }
];

Oooh, look! It's broken! Oh well, back to the drawing board.

-- 
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``Shall we have perl yell if the string Matt Wright
  is found in a comment when running under -w too?''
-- Dan Sugalski

# $Revision: 1.8 $

%token tComma tColon tSemi
%token tAngLeft tAngRight
%token tAt tDot
%token tAtom tQuotedString tQuotedPair

%%

addresses:
  address
{ [ $_[1] ] }
| addresses tComma address
{ [ @{$_[1]},$_[3] ] }
;

address:
  address_
{ 
  $_[0]-ParseComments;
  my $data=$_[0]-YYData;

  my $addr={
addr = $_[1],
comment = $data-{COMMENT},
text = $data-{TEXT},
name = $data-{NAME},
  };
  delete $data-{COMMENT};
  delete $data-{TEXT};
  $addr-{name}=~s/^\s+//s;
  $addr;
}
;

address_:
  group
| mailbox
;

group:
  phrase tColon mailboxes tSemi
;

mailboxes:
  mailbox
| mailboxes tComma mailbox
;

mailbox:
  addr_spec
| opt_phrase route_addr
{ $_[0]-YYData-{NAME}.= $_[1]; $_[2] }
;

addr_spec:
  local_part tAt domain
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
;

opt_phrase:
| phrase
;

phrase:
  word
| phrase word
{ $_[1] $_[2] }
;

route_addr:
  tAngLeft opt_route addr_spec tAngRight
{ $_[3] } # XXX Ignore route for now
;

opt_route:
  routes tColon
|
;

routes:
  routes tAt domain
| tAt domain
;

local_part:
  local_part tDot word
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
| word
;

domain:
  domain tDot sub_domain
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
| sub_domain
;

sub_domain:
  domain_ref
/* | domain_literal */
;

domain_ref:
  tAtom
;

word:
  tAtom
| tQuotedString
;


%%

my %tokens=reverse(
  tComma = ',',
  tColon = ':',
  tSemi = ';',
  tAngLeft = '',
  tAngRight = '',
  tParLeft = '(',
  tParRight = ')',
  tBraLeft = '[',
  tBraRight = ']',
  tAt = '@',
  tDot = '.',
);
my $tokens=join '',keys %tokens;

# Remove whitespace and comments
# This is done outside the lexer, since we call it before the first token
sub ParseComments{
  my($parser)=@_;
  my $data=$parser-YYData;

  for($data-{INPUT}){
while(s/^(\s+)// || /^\(/){
  $data-{TEXT}.=$1;
  if(s/^\(//){
my $level=1;
my $ctext='(';
while($level){
  s/^([^()\\]+)//
and $ctext.=$1;
  s/^((?:\\.)+)//
and $ctext.=$1;
  s/^\(//
and $ctext.='(' and ++$level;
  if(s/^\)//){
$ctext.=')';
last unless --$level;
  }
}
$data-{COMMENT}.= $ctext;
$data-{TEXT}.=$ctext;
  }
}
  }
}

# Debugging version
sub __Lexer{
  my($parser)=@_;
  my @ret=_Lexer;

  local $=',';
  warn Lex returned: (@ret)\n;
  @ret;
}

sub _Lexer{
  my($parser)=@_;
  my $data=$parser-YYData;

  # Remove whitespace and comments
  $parser-ParseComments;

  # Determine next token
  for($data-{INPUT}){
return ('',undef) if $_ eq '';

if(s/^([\Q$tokens\E])//o){
  $data-{TEXT}.=$1 unless $1 eq ',';
  return ($tokens{$1},$1);
}
if(s/^//){
  my $str;
  while(1){
if(s/^//){
  $data-{TEXT}.=qq($str);
  return (tQuotedString = $str);
}elsif(s/^\\(.)//s){
  $str.=$1;
}elsif(s/^([^\\]+)//){
  $str.=$1;
}else{
  $data-{TEXT}.=qq($str);
  return (tQuotedString = $str);
}
  }
}
if(s/^\\(.)//s){
  $data-{TEXT}.=\\$1;
  return (tQuotedPair = $1);
}
if(s/^([^\s\000-\037()\@,;\\.\[\]]+)//){
  $data-{TEXT}.=$1;
  return (tAtom = $1);
}
  }
  if(s/^(.)//s){
$data-{TEXT}.=$1;
return (tUnknown = $1);
  }
}

sub _Error{
  my($self)=@_;

  # XXX 

Re: Inline::PERL

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 09:40 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:

Another gem from Perlmonks. I'm thinking I should post this one to the
Cookwood board :)

It was in the unforgettable episode on 23rd May when bk said:

Yay! You have now totally redeemed yourself in my mind. I'm sorry... I 
seem to have missed the class on the usage of the different kinds of OR 
operators.

Since then Bk and Dave's relationship has got better and better, with 
smiley faces common place and good humour generally prevalent. But does Bk 
harbour underlying resentment? Is he luring Dave into a false sense of 
security? Has his programming actually improved any?

It's better than enders!

Oh, and I think the thing about readdir returning the first entry of an 
array in scalar context is dumb. That isn't DWIM. Returning the number of 
entries in the directory would be about a million times more sensible 
(especially if it didn't count . and .. as entries).


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General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross


You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and
a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you
don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :)

Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and...
er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone
still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a
venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.

There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)

Vive la Revolution!

Comrade Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
  I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.

Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly?

There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)

Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone.

Vive la Revolution!

Sounds like the tag line of a shampoo commercial.


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and
 a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you
 don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :)
 
 Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
 could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and...

Ah, its been ages since I had an ``election night party'', COUNT me in!
(geddit, _count_, as in vote count! *lol*, i kill myself ;-) )


 er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone
 still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a
 venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
 back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.
 

Is that so you can pick up some champagne, for labour's particular
brand of socialism ;-)

Greg

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
   I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
 back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.
 
 Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly?
 
 There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
 first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
 
 Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone.

I'm not prepared to bet that he'll be allowing himself in.

Does it count if you know all the verses to Raise Your Banner High
instead? Can I blag a bed again, what with the Iterative meeting the
next day...

-- 
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www.iterative-software.com




RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:04 AM

 Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
  back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.
  
  Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly?
  
  There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
  first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
  
  Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone.
 
 I'm not prepared to bet that he'll be allowing himself in.

Oh. I know at least the first verse and chorus. And both tunes :)

 Does it count if you know all the verses to Raise Your Banner High
 instead? Can I blag a bed again, what with the Iterative meeting the
 next day...

No. And yes.

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 What! You mean go south of the river after dark. I'm afraid I'm not properly
 insured for that kind of excursion :)

what sort of insurance do you need? insurance against culture? insurance
against clearner air? insurance against nice restaurants and bars? insurance
against safer streets?

bah, south london is where its at ;-)

 Nice offer, though if I took it up my chances of making it home at all would
 be very slim. Does anyone know what time the result is usually announced
 (and 38 days is not an acceptable answer, this isn't Florida!)

its not really announced at a specific time IIRC, it is a final result
when one party has enough people to `form a government', i.e. a majority

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 10:32:55AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and
 a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you
 don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :)

Vote Early, Vote Often!

 Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
 could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and...
 er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone
 still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a
 venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
 back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.

Sounds like a cunning plan.

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RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM

 i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as
 it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-),
 and we all know what results are important on thursday night -
 thats right the northern irish ones! [1]

 [1] disclaimer ... in case anyone doesn't know me, statements i
 make about northern irish politics are generally made with tongue
 in cheek

In fact, Greg is _such_ an expert on the Northern Ireland[1] electoral
system that he fails to remember that the votes aren't counted until Friday
morning :)

Dave...

[1] The use of the term Northern Ireland is simply a convenient shorthand
and should in no way be taken as a endorsement of the existance of such a
region.

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General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll


If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply,
write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and
others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in
classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by
the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl
and URLs should be submitted on the day.


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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
 could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and...

Sounds like an evil flan.  Especially as I'm holding up my end of the
bargain (right, MBM?) and coming to my first ever london-pm meet.  Anyone
offering crash space for a small purple person would be most appreciated.

L.
Zaphod, this is a very large drink.  Hi...




Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM
 
  i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as
  it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-),
  and we all know what results are important on thursday night -
  thats right the northern irish ones! [1]
 
  [1] disclaimer ... in case anyone doesn't know me, statements i
  make about northern irish politics are generally made with tongue
  in cheek
 
 In fact, Greg is _such_ an expert on the Northern Ireland[1] electoral
 system that he fails to remember that the votes aren't counted until Friday
 morning :)

did i specify a time that i'd be leaving your house? ;-)

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Re: Forthcoming Meetings

2001-06-01 Thread Robin Houston

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:09:56PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 Technical Meeting: Thursday 21st June
 
 Need a venue for this please people. And speakers. If any speakers want to
 practise TPC or YAPC::E talks, then this might be a good time to do it.

Since I've already practiced my YAPC::E submission on you lot, it
would be unfair to do it again.

But I could do something about Perl regular expressions and
algorithmic complexity. That would be fun :-)

 .robin.



Re: General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Robert Shiels


 If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply,
 write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and
 others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in
 classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by
 the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl
 and URLs should be submitted on the day.

I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an
easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user
intervention?

/Robert




Re: Forthcoming Meetings

2001-06-01 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 But I could do something about Perl regular expressions and
 algorithmic complexity. That would be fun :-)

Robin, can we have a whip round and pay you NOT to do it? My head
always hurts after one of your talks...

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  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply,
  write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and
  others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in
  classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by
  the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl
  and URLs should be submitted on the day.
 
 I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an
 easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user
 intervention?
 

we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick
a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night
change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would
require changing

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Re: General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an
  easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user
  intervention?
  
 
 we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick
 a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night
 change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would
 require changing
 

i should of said, change that CGI to scrape the information from
somewhere 

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Montreal

2001-06-01 Thread Marcel Grunauer

Who is going to be at YAPC::NA in Montreal? I'm going to be there
from June 9-18 and seeing that the conference is from June 13-15,
there are a few days to do sightseeing / hacking / whatever.

Is anyone else there before the conference so we might meet up early?

Also, any tips on what do to in Montreal would be appreciated
(there are city guides, of course, but if someone has first-hand
experience it'd be good).

Marcel

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Re: Montreal

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 13:12 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:

are the botanical gardens, and biodome (all touristy).  As far as I'm
concerned though, the best thing to do in Montreal are the bars, cafes and 

shops.

There's a nice catholic cathedral, the docks are nice, and there's a lovely 
local museum near the docks that talks about the bourgeoisie more than any 
other museum I've ever been in.

Those were the the only things open on Boxing Day in Montreal last year. 
But I didn't look that hard because it was 20 below and windy.


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Re: Forthcoming Meetings

2001-06-01 Thread Robin Houston

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:28:20AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  But I could do something about Perl regular expressions and
  algorithmic complexity. That would be fun :-)
 
 Robin, can we have a whip round and pay you NOT to do it? My head
 always hurts after one of your talks...

I *think* that's a compliment ;-)

BTW, I'm going on holiday tonight, for two weeks.
So if you start to wonder why I'm not answering email, that's why :)

 .robin.

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LCN June

2001-06-01 Thread Dean

Welcome to the London Community News.
Details are for the month of June 2001.

The User Groups:
---
London Perl Mongers
Home Page: http://www.london.pm.org
Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

London PM are a group who are dedicated to the encouragement of all things
Perl-like in London.

London PM have two meetings this month, the usual social meeting and a
technical meeting. The social meeting is on 7th June 2001 from about 6:30.
The location has not been confirmed yet so keep an eye on the web site.

The technical meeting is on the 21/06/01 and you should keep an eye on the
website (http://london.pm.org/WhatDo.shtml) for the venue and details of
the speakers.


---
Lonix
Home Page: http://www.lonix.org.uk/
Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The aim of Lonix is quite straightforward although it comprises of
many points. The overall aim is to unite many Linux individuals in and
around London. Below is a list of aims, but you as a member may not
agree to all of them. (Hopefully at least one!)

Meet like minded individuals to share ideas and discuss opinions.
To provide a Linux force in London to persuade the industry to opt
for a more Linux friendly approach to their services and products.
To assist users with problems, providing advice and physical help.
Linux advocacy

Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm.
Place: Los Locos 24/26 Russell Street, Covent Garden, WC2
Nearest Tube: Covent Garden
Contact: 020 8992 7008 - (On the day 07980 160 045)
Web Site: www.los-locos.co.uk (Tel 020 7379 0220)
Map: on site above  

Also available this month are the new limited edition Lonix polo shirts.
Designed in the new 2 colour logo and are on black. The only run of the
previous design (At the Linux expo last year) sold within hours so now you
have another reason to turn up early.

For more details of the monthly meetings you can look here:
http://www.lonix.org.uk/Meetings.html


---
GLLUG
Home Page: http://gllug.linux.co.uk/

Greater London Linux User Group's (GLLUG) purpose is to bring together
London's Linux users so they can share experiences and expertise (or
revel in their inexperience and quest for expertise), to chat about
the state of the (Linux) world, that sort of thing.

We try to arrange meets so that there is space for users to set up
their equipment, so you are welcome to bring your kit along, either to
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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
   I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
   is the problem.
 
  If you book it, they will come.
 

 i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend

 this feels *good*



Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :)

Sounds like a plan.

/J\




Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
  * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
is the problem.
  
   If you book it, they will come.
  
 
  i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend
 
  this feels *good*
 
 
 
 Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :)
 
 Sounds like a plan.
 

so when is the next bang holiday weekend?

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Mison

On 01/06/2001 at 13:03 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

so when is the next bang holiday weekend?

2001-08-27. Hence the crazy golf must be on 2001-08-25. (Palm Desktop)++

The next one after that is in December. (Anyone standing on the
platform of reforming bank holidays? I'd buy that for a dollar.)

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
   * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
 is the problem.
   
If you book it, they will come.
   
  
   i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend
  
   this feels *good*
  
  
 
  Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :)
 
  Sounds like a plan.
 

 so when is the next bang holiday weekend?


The next *bank* holiday is in august.  The bang holiday could be anytime
:)

/J\




Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  
   * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
 is the problem.
   
If you book it, they will come.
   
  
   i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend
  
   this feels *good*
  
  
  
  Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :)
  
  Sounds like a plan.
  
 
 so when is the next bang holiday weekend?
 

blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make
the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001

now what do people want to do? go to hastings and return the
same day? stay over?   

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 02:07  PM, Paul Mison wrote:

 On 01/06/2001 at 13:03 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 so when is the next bang holiday weekend?

 2001-08-27. Hence the crazy golf must be on 2001-08-25. (Palm Desktop)++

Cool; I might actually be in London that weekend.

Marcel

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RE: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:10 PM

 blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make
 the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001
 
 now what do people want to do? go to hastings and return the
 same day? stay over?   

Luckily for you all, I'll be in Edinburgh that weekend. This will make it an
altogether more evenly matched game. Having grown up at the seaside my crazy
golf is pretty shit-hot :)

Dave...

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RE: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM

 (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? 
 I'd buy that for a dollar.)

Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday
on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day
wasn't it?

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:16:51PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM
 
  (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? 
  I'd buy that for a dollar.)
 
 Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday
 on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day
 wasn't it?
 
 Dave...
 [who thinks it's about time we decimalised the calendar]

What a stunningly daft idea!  It might just work!

Actually, I think we should go back to using base60 numbers instead,
so that time and dates just fall out of the wash (I think the ancient
sumerians used them).

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RE: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Mison

On 01/06/2001 at 13:16 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM

 (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays?
 I'd buy that for a dollar.)

Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday
on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day
wasn't it?

Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point,
coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka
Whitsun) Bank Holiday. (Thankfully the same arguments tend to work
against St George's Day as a bank holiday- far too jingoistic).
Unfortunately it's the only one of those three I care about.

Anyway, Trafalgar Day would be in October- that's a shite idea, the
weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US
Independence Day? We've imported plenty of other ideas from them. Hmm.
Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that
a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry. (Isn't
there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?)

(Wondering if this shouldn't cross the (void)/london-lists osmosis barrier)

[0] Well, I, but I'm probably not alone here.

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Paul Mison typed:

(Isn't
there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?)

http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm



Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  how about US
 Independence Day?

We call that Thanksgiving...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

 There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
 first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)

Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?

Barbie.





RE: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 13:27 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:

weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US

Quite the opposite!!! We need more winter holidays to cheer us up during 
those dark rainy months. We should have holidays for all the major Saint's 
days, and get rid of silly artificial things like Mayday. Or we should just 
not work half the time, like the French.




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RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:46 PM

  There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
  first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
 
 Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?

The New Labour version starts like this:

The people's flag is lightest pink,
It's not as red as you might think.

I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to
the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.

Dave...

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 (Isn't
 there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?)

Apparently so.

Allegedly there is a move to bring the UK more into line with the rest of
Europe with regards to bank holidays. Several European nations put us to
shame when you compare us with countries like Germany (14 days IIRC). The
Golden Jubilee is the first to be introduced, with another 3 added over the
next few years. I guess the Golden Jubilee one will then be known as
Coronation Day or some such.

There was a link all about it on the bbc site, but that was earlier in the
year when I was living that other life, blissfully unaware I was about to be
made redundant :)

Barbie.





Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Paul Mison typed:

 (Isn't
 there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?)

 http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm

Well, as today is my first day working as a contractor, I want less
holidays, so that I can make more money. Thinking about it again, I'll just
make sure that the system needs some essential maintenance those days, and
increase my rate appropriately!

/Robert




Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:10:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make
 the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001

ECLASHESWITHLBW

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Re: LCN June

2001-06-01 Thread alex

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean wrote:
 Lonix
 Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm.

hasn't this been postponed?

alex




Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Robin Houston

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:55:20PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 The New Labour version starts like this:
 
 The people's flag is lightest pink,
 It's not as red as you might think.

How things have changed.

'Mr Heseltine, whose mane of golden hair has given him the nickname
 of Tarzan, apologised for waving the ceremonial mace around his head
 like a mediaeval battle axe. I was unwarrantably provoked by the
 singing of the Red Flag, he said.'

http://www.guardiancentury.co.uk/1970-1979/Story/0,6051,106906,00.html


The internationale is a better song though.

 .robin.



Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At 13:27 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
 
 weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US
 
 Quite the opposite!!! We need more winter holidays to cheer us up
 during those dark rainy months. We should have holidays for all the
 major Saint's days, and get rid of silly artificial things like
 Mayday. Or we should just not work half the time, like the French.

Personally I'd rather get rid of the overtly christian holidays and
stick with good old pagan stuff like May day. And not because of the
labour movement, it's a *way* older holiday than that.

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
  first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
 
 Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?

How about:

The working class can kiss my arse
I've got the foreman's job at last.

Or
The people's flag is deepest puce
with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse

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www.iterative-software.com




Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:46 PM
 
   There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
   first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
  
  Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?
 
 The New Labour version starts like this:
 
 The people's flag is lightest pink,
 It's not as red as you might think.
 
 I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to
 the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.

Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how
I try it it still sounds bloody ugly.

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RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM

Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[The Red Flag]
 
  I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed
to
  the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.
 
 Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how
 I try it it still sounds bloody ugly.

There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on
BB's mini-album The Internationale.

If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play it
to you.

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 14:23 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:55:20PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
  The New Labour version starts like this:
 
  The people's flag is lightest pink,
  It's not as red as you might think.

How things have changed.

Yikes!

Changed for the better, apparently. The idea of Prescott getting hold of 
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Re: LCN June

2001-06-01 Thread Dean

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:20:56PM +0100, alex wrote:
  Lonix
  Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm.

 hasn't this been postponed?

Oh yes. I got a note last night confirming the date and then today i get one
telling me its moved.[0]

The venue and everything will be the same but the date is changing. I'll do
another LCN later this month when things are a bit firmer for:
PM Tech meeting.
PM Social.
GLLUG.
Lonix.

Only one that's done and dusted seems to be SAGE-WISE (Fingers crossed)

Dean

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:

 How about:
 
 The working class can kiss my arse
 I've got the foreman's job at last.
 
 Or
 The people's flag is deepest puce
 with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse

Pah!

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!

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RE: LCN June

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:31 PM

 London PM have two meetings this month, the usual social meeting and a
 technical meeting. The social meeting is on 7th June 2001 from about 6:30.
 The location has not been confirmed yet so keep an eye on the web site.

The social will be in the cellar bar of the PO. I'll update the web site
over the weekend.

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:39:03PM +0100, David Cantrell typed:

Pah!

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!

Humbug!

The people's flag is black as night
From top to bottom, left to right.
What better symbol for our cause
Then torn umbrellas, old black drawers,
And Guinness, gowns and pirate flags
Darth Vader's cloak and oily rags:
Oh, wave it proudly o'er your head,
The flag that's better dead than red!



Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
 
  How about:
  
  The working class can kiss my arse
  I've got the foreman's job at last.
  
  Or
  The people's flag is deepest puce
  with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse
 
 Pah!
 
 Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
 Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
 O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
 To Communism's triumph lead us on!
 

sing all you want, it will be you lot who have egg on your
faces when a unionist/conservative coalition government is
in power in a few weeks, ohhh yes

;-)

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:47:18PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 sing all you want, it will be you lot who have egg on your
 faces when a unionist/conservative coalition government is
 in power in a few weeks, ohhh yes

Hmmmph.  paul daniels if that happens, I'll leave the country /short
annoying baldie

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 14:23 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Personally I'd rather get rid of the overtly christian holidays and
stick with good old pagan stuff like May day. And not because of the
labour movement, it's a *way* older holiday than that.

True enough - but look!

Among the nine saints that are celebrated on 1st may is St Joseph who is 
the patron saint of those who fight against communism. YAY

No, I'm not making this up: 
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pst00162.htm

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RE: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:28 PM

 On 01/06/2001 at 13:16 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
 Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist
holiday
 on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day
 wasn't it?
 
 Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point,
 coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka
 Whitsun) Bank Holiday. 

No. _Good_ example. Neatly demonstrating the madness of baseing public
holidays around the vagaries of a minority religion. It's not Mayday that's
causing a problem here, but the three xtian dates. Abolish them and replace
them with three other holidays spaced out in a more sensible fashion.

Besides, people have been celebrating Mayday for _far_ longer than Easter.

 Anyway, Trafalgar Day would be in October- that's a shite idea, the
 weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US
 Independence Day? We've imported plenty of other ideas from them. Hmm.

I wouldn't mind a holiday in late September or October. Thanks to global
warming that's often a pretty warm part of the year.

Actually, celebrating US Independence Day makes a certain amount of sense.
It's certainly a war _I'd_ have fought to lose :)

 Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that
 a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry.

Only a very short term solution. What do you do when we become a republic?
(checks - wait a minute, that pledge seems to be missing from my copy of the
Labour Manifesto, shurely shome mishtake)

 (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee
shenanigans?)

$deity, don't remind me. As mentioned on the walk on Monday, I think our
best hope is that the QM[1] dies at about the same time and it all cancels
out :)

Dave...

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would I if I HADN'T DONE A FUCKING DECENT DAY'S WORK IN MY LIFE.

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 [1] But you've got to admit, she does look good for her age. Yeah, well so
 would I if I HADN'T DONE A FUCKING DECENT DAY'S WORK IN MY LIFE.
 

Well you don't look that good, and you are a contractor ;-)

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:40:38PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

  Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that
  a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry.
 
 Only a very short term solution. What do you do when we become a republic?

Then we have independence day, to celebrate the overthrowing of N hundred
years of Dutch and German oppression.  Yes, if I were a royalist, I'd be
a Jacobite.
 
 [1] But you've got to admit, she does look good for her age. Yeah, well so
 would I if I HADN'T DONE A FUCKING DECENT DAY'S WORK IN MY LIFE.

So *that's* the secret to your boyish good looks Dave! I knew there had
to be *something* good about contracting :-)

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Dean

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:28:43PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 So *that's* the secret to your boyish good looks Dave! I knew there had
 to be *something* good about contracting :-)

That and getting to drain the life out of the permanent staff ;)

Dean
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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point,
  coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka
  Whitsun) Bank Holiday.

 Besides, people have been celebrating Mayday for _far_ longer than Easter.

I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,
Paganism, is the target for being abolished. Mayday was traditionally the
fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan holidays
seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they
don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life.

Barbie.





Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: General Election


 From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM

 Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [The Red Flag]

   I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed
 to
   the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.
 
  Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how
  I try it it still sounds bloody ugly.

 There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn
on
 BB's mini-album The Internationale.

 If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play
it
 to you.

Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

Barbie.





RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:56 PM

[The Red Flag]

  There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn
  on BB's mini-album The Internationale.
 
  If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play
  it to you.
 
 Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

Ooh. Shiny! What's on the 7?

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

 Ooh. Shiny! What's on the 7?

straight from billybragg.co.uk (cause I couldn't remember seeing as I
haven't played it in several years):

QUOTE
Raglan Road (Live)
May 1990, Utility (7), USAMP 2
plus Slap Me Shake Me/Clea  McLeod, Sleep With Me/Caroline Trettine And Amy
Grant/The Young Fresh Fellows
Utility Records sampler given free with vinyl copies of The Internationale
album
/QUOTE

I remember now, it was a 4 track, with the other artists all appearing on
other Cooking Vinyl distributed releases from round about the same time.

And for those want the traditional lyrics :
http://www.billybragg.co.uk/inter6.html

Barbie.





Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Simon Cozens

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:53:53PM +0100, Barbie wrote:
 the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism

Nice try.

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Religion

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 15:53 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:

I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,
Paganism, is the target for being abolished.

Is paganism a religion? Isn't it a none of the above grouping of 
religions? Or does it refer to What Northern and central Europe did before 
the Romans?

Mayday was traditionally the
fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan holidays
seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they
don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life.

This is all true. But Christian festivals are for the most part 
intellectualised versions of the non-christian ones they replaced. Easter 
is a fertility festival. Chistmas is a winter feast. All souls day is the 
same as Halloween (excepting that Halloween is now just a Woolworth's 
marketing mechanism).

The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing round a 
tree in May) are good healthy things to do. The cerebral aspects of 
paganism are daft (If I wear leaves and dance round a tree the tree spirit 
will make me more fertile). To the extent Christianity leaves one alone 
and replaces the other, I like it. I agree that at times it hasn't done a 
very good job of leaving alone. But nothing's perfect...

Jon, thinking Paganism and Christianity should co-exist happily as do Art 
and Science.

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Re: OSCon London

2001-06-01 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Thu, 31 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:

 Cross David - dcross writes:
  This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source
  Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on
  October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I can
  find out.

 I tried like hell to make it work (and ate some shit in front of the
 ApacheCon people to try and make it work with them, too) but in the end
 there were just too many things working against it.  Sorry!

 When will there be one?  I don't know.  I'd hope next year if the
 economy improves, but I can't promise it.  As became obvious this
 year, wanting to do a UK conference is completely different from being
 able to.

snippity snip

I'd go to it.

L.
I'm a bit blase about all this free beer now.




Re: Religion

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,
 Paganism, is the target for being abolished.

 Is paganism a religion?

Yes. Just because it isn't an organised religion with official buildings and
the like or a registered charity it is relagated to the none of the above
category. However, within the civil service it is the only such religion
that has recognised religious holidays.

 Or does it refer to What Northern and central Europe did before
 the Romans?

It was the religion in these here parts several hundreds of years before the
Romans ever discovered this little island.

 Mayday was traditionally the
 fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan
holidays
 seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they
 don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life.

 This is all true. But Christian festivals are for the most part
 intellectualised versions of the non-christian ones they replaced. Easter
 is a fertility festival.

Eh? Nope it was an attempt by the Christian faith to remove every possible
existance of any other religion in the provinces they conquered. It has
still been happening in this century within Africa and South America. The
holidays might happen at similar times, but their meanings are far from the
same.

 All souls day is the same as Halloween

All Souls Day is a celebration of all things good. Halloween is the
romantised version of witchcraft being bad and tantamount to devil
worshipping. Again an effort by the church to ridicule other religions.

 The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing round
a
 tree in May) are good healthy things to do. The cerebral aspects of
 paganism are daft (If I wear leaves and dance round a tree the tree
spirit
 will make me more fertile).

If you read up on it a bit more, you'll see that there's much more to it
than that. And anyway why is that any more daft than someone going to a
church and praying for God to make them fertile. They're just a person's
belief, the fact they you choose to ridicule another's way acting on that
belief only allows the church to perpetuate the ridicule that is placed on
other religions. Faith is a very personal thing, whereas a religion
dictating that other kinds of faith are bad or inferior only serves to
belittle themselves IMO. Perhaps one of the reasons why the Pope is making
such an effort to apologise for past persecutions.

 To the extent Christianity leaves one alone
 and replaces the other, I like it. I agree that at times it hasn't done a
 very good job of leaving alone. But nothing's perfect...

What like the Crusades?

 Jon, thinking Paganism and Christianity should co-exist happily as do Art
 and Science.

One celebrates life, the other glorifies death. Art and Science are not so
extreme.

BTW I'm not a Pagan, just in case you're wondering.

Barbie.





Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:53:53PM +0100, Barbie wrote:
  the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism
 
 Nice try.

Are you saying it isn't a religion or there is another one?

Barbie




RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on
 BB's mini-album The Internationale.

undef error - Can't locate auto/Billy/Bragg/tune.al in @INC ...
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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Redvers Davies

 I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,

Nah, you want an interesting old religion, look at the Celts.  Drinking
blood has gone out of style though...



Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 10:41  PM, Redvers Davies wrote:

 I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,

 Nah, you want an interesting old religion, look at the Celts.  Drinking
 blood has gone out of style though...

Has it? Angel drinks blood; Spike does as well.

Oops, wrong thread...

Marcel

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,
 
 Nah, you want an interesting old religion, look at the Celts.  Drinking
 blood has gone out of style though...

Assuming you're not a Masai tribesperson. And assuming that the
Romans weren't lying about the Celts (Though why would they want to do
that?)

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on
  BB's mini-album The Internationale.
 
 undef error - Can't locate auto/Billy/Bragg/tune.al in @INC ...

Then I suggest you try using your ears.

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