RE: downloady filenames

2001-06-12 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Robin Szemeti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 12 June 2001 03:14
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: downloady filenames
 
 
 ISTR somebody explaing the magic incantations you could put after
 
 Content-type: text/some-funny-application
 
 in order for the browser to try and save it as 
 'something.xyz' instead of
 'scriptname.pl' .. enlighten me please as I have flushed my 
 archive and
 lost it.


http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/media-types

has a list of the various MIME types that are out there. It will also point
your towards the relevant RFC's.

You may also need to use the

Content-Encoding: enctype

header depending on what your spitting out.

Rob


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RE: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Chris Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 Why, when the sun is shining (almost) and there is a popular (?) govt.
 do I feel like I did in early/mid 70's: like the end of the 
 world was nigh?

Hmm, not sure... but is the feeling helped buy having someone in the White
House who has no real idea of foreign policy (and doesn't seem to care that
much), and is sitting at his desk thinking (and I use the term advisedly) -
'I wonder what this big red button does...'

No, I thought not.

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RE: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Paul Makepeace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 PS -- that is one truly obnoxiously big sig.

I apologise profusely for my employers lawyers need to avoid any form of
litigation due to something that I may or may not say to the right or wrong
person while sending an email which may or may not be on behalf of the
company and therefor needs the sig from hell to disclaim anything that I may
or may not have said within said email and basically saying that anything I
did say wasn't said by me on behalf of the company or anybody else including
myself and in fact you really should consider the email that you might have
received to be totally empty and must destroy all traces of it but not until
you've emailed me back to say that you may have received it possibly or not
in error.



Rob

Maybe I should be a lawyer. Except, of course, I didn't say that.


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Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Philip Newton

This in the Opera (browser) Newsletter I received yesterday:

 
 * Opera challenges UK govt to support standards *
 
 
 The British government's prestigious gateway 
 http://www.gateway.gov.uk/ security system only lets users 
 perform transactions when using IE. Opera challenges the 
 UK government to support World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
 standards and let British citizens enjoy full access to the
 Web from different browsers, platforms and devices.
 
 In the future, British users might even find that they 
 can't access the gateway, because wireless devices' 
 manufacturers increasingly are choosing other browsers than 
 IE. The British wireless consortium Symbian is an example 
 of a future leading platform not running IE.
 
 Opera's CTO, Håkon Lie, is currently in contact with the 
 assistant to UK's e-envoy, Andrew Pinder. Pinder's office 
 is responsible for the commissioning of the site, 
 gateway.gov.uk.
 
 Read the story in The Register:
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19275.html

I don't know whether that link was the one quoted previously.

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Obnoxious sigs (was Re: www.gateway.gov.uk)

2001-06-12 Thread Philip Newton

Robert Thompson wrote:
 I apologise profusely

Sorry, you'll have to give me a hardcopy version of that before I'll believe
you:

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Your apology might otherwise be construed to be the figment of some
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(Oh, no! I just quoted Robert Thompson! Doesn't that contravene

 If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate,
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since the message was addressed to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not to
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Hm, perhaps I'll use the company semi-official sig for a change. (The
official one specifies which fonts[1] and sizes to use, but I can't do that
in plain text email, so I don't bother.) No ugly disclaimers in that, thank
goodness, but no proper sig delimiter, either.

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RE: downloady filenames

2001-06-12 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Robert Thompson wrote:
  From: Robin Szemeti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 12 June 2001 03:14
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: downloady filenames
  
  
  ISTR somebody explaing the magic incantations you could put after
  
  Content-type: text/some-funny-application
  
  in order for the browser to try and save it as 
  'something.xyz' instead of
  'scriptname.pl' .. enlighten me please as I have flushed my 
  archive and
  lost it.
 
 
 http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/media-types
 
 has a list of the various MIME types that are out there. It will also point
 your towards the relevant RFC's.

indeed .. looks pretty much the same as my apache mime types file ... and
I already have a mime type header for what I am serving up..  but this is
different to what was looking for.

someone somewhere a few weeks ago posted something about an extra line
you could put not dissimilar to 'Apparent-filename: something.xyz' .. its
not so much a mime types thing but a browser thing .. 

ah well .. off to London now to buy a new toy ;)))

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Re: downloady filenames

2001-06-12 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:10:32AM +0100, Robin Szemeti typed:
someone somewhere a few weeks ago posted something about an extra line
you could put not dissimilar to 'Apparent-filename: something.xyz' .. its
not so much a mime types thing but a browser thing .. 

Content-Disposition.

R



RE: downloady filenames

2001-06-12 Thread Jon Galliers

This seemed to work.

print Content-type:application/whatever\n.Content-Disposition: 
attachment; filename=$file\n\n


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Re: Obnoxious sigs (was Re: www.gateway.gov.uk)

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Makepeace

Isn't there some cough/ perl module that might allow us to rig a
sig-stripper to be installed at dircon? Where sig = any trailer that has
more than four un-para'ed lines. Or give these people a damn shell
account. Or SOMETHING.

(Actually I don't really care I just got carried away with the melodrama.)

Paul



Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Struan Donald

* at 11/06 21:38 +0100 Robin Szemeti said:
 On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Chris Benson wrote:
 
  Didn't ukonline.co.uk complain about trademark infringement a while back?
  
  Is gateway.gov.uk the result?  and is there any possible trademark confusion 
  with this address?
 
 ring ring
 'hello .. is that the government? .. oh good. I'd like to complain about
 trademark infringement by one of your sites ..'
 
 pause
 
 'yes .. yes .. oh I see .. yes .. no, no you are quite right I don;t want
 to spend the the next 20 years talking to VAT inspectors and men from the
 Inland Revenue ... ah forget I ever called, by the way, did I mention
 waht a fantastic set of teeth Tony has?'

that really is terribly cynical of you. i really can't imagine a
giverment as benevolent and trustworthy as ours even contemplating
such a thing.

struan



Re: Persistent Perl

2001-06-12 Thread Leon Brocard

Dominic Mitchell sent the following bits through the ether:

 I think the python scheme of creating a bytecode file on the first run
 is better, but I'm not sure how amenable perl's code tree is to being
 flattened and restored (this may be why we haven't seen a perl-java
 compiler).

ByteCache - byte-compile modules when needed

The reason we haven't seen a Perl-Java compiler is due to the
low-level nature of the JVM and the high-level nature of the PVM. They
just don't mix well.

Leon
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Re: Persistent Perl

2001-06-12 Thread Simon Wistow

Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 
 And you'd have to make the daemon threaded, or end up running multiple
 pre-forking daemons to do the job.  At which point, you're only saving
 the fork time and the parse time, which depending on how much effort it
 is to complete the above, may not be much of a saving (passing
 credentials along unix sockets is still pretty slow and non-portable).

But isn't it roiughly the same scheme that mod_perl uses? And that *is*
demonstrably useful. 


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Re: Persistent Perl

2001-06-12 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:31:44AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  
  And you'd have to make the daemon threaded, or end up running multiple
  pre-forking daemons to do the job.  At which point, you're only saving
  the fork time and the parse time, which depending on how much effort it
  is to complete the above, may not be much of a saving (passing
  credentials along unix sockets is still pretty slow and non-portable).
 
 But isn't it roiughly the same scheme that mod_perl uses? And that *is*
 demonstrably useful. 

Roughly, yes, but with a lot fewer details.

You could do it on a per-user basis, which would make it simpler.

-Dom

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YAPC::Europe Registration

2001-06-12 Thread Cross David - dcross


I see that registration for YAPC::Europe has opened.

http://www.yapc.org/Europe/registration.html

They've also accepted both my Perl for the People and Creating Data
Output Files Using the Template Toolkit talks :)

Dave...

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2001-06-12 Thread jns

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Test of sorts

2001-06-12 Thread Jonathan Stowe

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread Peter Haworth

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:14:41 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Peter Haworth
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Can someone please remind me about the technical meeting on the 21st? Now 
  that it looks like I might be in London at the time, I find I've deleted 
  all the relevant messages and can't remember if there's an archive.
 
 Well, er..., there will be a meeting on the 21st. I spoke to Alex last 
 night and he said we could hold it at State 51.

Sadly, I can't make it to the meeting after all, even though I'll be in London the 
next day.

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
 I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
 passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
 comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.

It's a TRAP!

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
  I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
  passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
  comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.
 
 It's a TRAP!

You been playing wy too much nethack recently.

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
  I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
  passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
  comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.
 
 It's a TRAP!

Curses!  That was my cunning plan to acquire more victims for the Sun god,
why'd you have to go and spoil it?  I need a sacrifice to get this VT320
working.

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:40:44PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
  David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
   I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
   passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
   comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.
  
  It's a TRAP!
 
 Curses!  That was my cunning plan to acquire more victims for the Sun god,
 why'd you have to go and spoil it?  I need a sacrifice to get this VT320
 working.

I think I can see where you're going wrong. It's the DEC god you should be
making your sacrifices to. The Sun god will only help for Sparc 1s, 4/110s
etc

Nicholas Clark



Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

  It's a TRAP!
 
 You been playing wy too much nethack recently.

That was a tough level with comfy sofa and the drinks cabinet.


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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread Peter Haworth

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:26:08 +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:10:01PM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
  On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:14:41 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
   Well, er..., there will be a meeting on the 21st. I spoke to Alex last 
   night and he said we could hold it at State 51.
  
  Sadly, I can't make it to the meeting after all, even though I'll be in
  London the next day.
 
 If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
 I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
 passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
 comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.

Well, it was partly due to having nowhere to stay, but I've requested the train ticket 
now, so it's too late to change my mind. Thanks for the offer, though.

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:18:43PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
   It's a TRAP!
  
  You been playing wy too much nethack recently.
 
 That was a tough level with comfy sofa and the drinks cabinet.

Even tougher - there's ethernet to the sofa too.

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Re: YAPC::Europe Registration

2001-06-12 Thread Neil Ford

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:57:51AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
 I see that registration for YAPC::Europe has opened.
 
 http://www.yapc.org/Europe/registration.html
 
 They've also accepted both my Perl for the People and Creating Data
 Output Files Using the Template Toolkit talks :)
 
 Dave...
 
So who's registered then? ;-)

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Re: YAPC::Europe Registration

2001-06-12 Thread Richard Clamp

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:41:48PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
 So who's registered then? ;-)

I have, now to write[0] the talks.

[0] always with the writing!

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Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Chris Benson

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:15:36AM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote:
  From: Chris Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
  Why, when the sun is shining (almost) and there is a popular (?) govt.
  do I feel like I did in early/mid 70's: like the end of the 
  world was nigh?
 
 Hmm, not sure... but is the feeling helped buy having someone in the White
 House who has no real idea of foreign policy (and doesn't seem to care that
 much), and is sitting at his desk thinking (and I use the term advisedly) -
 'I wonder what this big red button does...'

Oh yes,  I vaguely thought on reading about the floods in The South
that maybe this was supposed to be a message like Repent your sins or
I wash you off the face of the Earth.  If so it missed Washington DC 
by about a 1,000 miles and Texas by 500.  It probably missed GWB by a
couple of light years.
 
 No, I thought not.

Thank you for the cheery thought anyway.
-- 
Chris Benson



RE: downloady filenames

2001-06-12 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jon Galliers wrote:
 This seemed to work.
 
 print Content-type:application/whatever\n.Content-Disposition: 
 attachment; filename=$file\n\n

yadda! .. thats the cookie! .. 

a thousand thanks ;)

right I can stop my cvs files coming up as .'something.pl' now ...

ta muchly.

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Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:55:38PM +0100, Chris Benson wrote:
 Oh yes,  I vaguely thought on reading about the floods in The South
 that maybe this was supposed to be a message like Repent your sins or
 I wash you off the face of the Earth.

I think it's more along the lines of the Creator(s) saying Oh, that
Global Warming thing, you might want to check into it again. By the way,
the most populous city in your home state? *WHOOSH*

Paul


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Re: YAPC::Europe Registration

2001-06-12 Thread Piers Cawley

Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:41:48PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
  So who's registered then? ;-)
 
 I have, now to write[0] the talks.

I got lucky. They didn't want the Perl Proverbs talk (which I'd have
to write), but they did want 12 step (which I busk). Result.

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Re: Persistent Perl

2001-06-12 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Somebody tell me why this is a stupid idea because I can't think of any
 obvious reason but if there wasn't then I'm sure sombody would have
 already done it [0] ...
 
 Similar principle to mod_perl, a perl script is run but instead of a
 normal interpreter being fired up a daemon starts (if it isn't started
 already), compiles the perl to bytecode, caches the result and then
 executes. Takes slightly longer than the normal interpreter but not
 unbearably more. 
 
 Next time a different script is executed the interpreter is already
 running and just evals the new script. This should be quicker than a
 normal execution. 
 
 The first script is run without having been modified (stat/Fam is your
 friend) you just retrieve the bytecode from the cache and execute that.
 This should be *much* quicker than normal. 

sounds like an ideal plan .. the speed of mod perl without the 'this
process will be around for years .. if it leaks, you;ll know' sort of
problems and also lets you chop and change on the fly .. sounds ace ...

is this anything like wot FastCGI does .. or is that summat different?

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Re: Persistent Perl

2001-06-12 Thread Richard Clamp

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:54:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 is this anything like wot FastCGI does .. or is that summat different?

Since 'this' is a bit muddy I couldn't say, though I do know that 
FastCGI works as a constantly running coprocess, so maybe

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Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Chris Benson

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:24:01PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:55:38PM +0100, Chris Benson wrote:
  Oh yes,  I vaguely thought on reading about the floods in The South
  that maybe this was supposed to be a message like Repent your sins or
  I wash you off the face of the Earth.
 
 I think it's more along the lines of the Creator(s) saying Oh, that
 Global Warming thing, you might want to check into it again. By the way,
 the most populous city in your home state? *WHOOSH*

Will Washington DC notice?  I know a state-of-emergency (or whatever)
has been called,  but the White House and Capitol facing each other 
across Lake Pennsylvania Ave. would make more impact.

 :-)  (Just in case the FBI/CIA think I'm suggesting it, god forbid).
-- 
Chris Benson



Re: YAPC::Europe Registration

2001-06-12 Thread Redvers Davies

 I got lucky. They didn't want the Perl Proverbs talk (which I'd have
 to write), but they did want 12 step (which I busk). Result.

Busk... What a wonderful turn of phrase ;)



Re: Default library paths

2001-06-12 Thread Redvers Davies

 There's a couple of reasonable hex editors out there, but I usually just
 tend to use M-x hexl-find-file in emacs.  If you're a vim user, see
 xxd(1).

or bvi (Binary vi)



Re: Where's my bloody gun?

2001-06-12 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton

Robin Szemeti [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
* 
* What IS the mentality of idiots who attack community sites
* like this?
*
*maybe it was just a script kiddie .. maybe it was a worm.

It wasn't anything quite so dignified. I had reinstalled the Catalog
module last month after a failed attempt to upgrade it and at the time I
didn't notice it had made the .conf files group writeable. At some point
within 30 mins of whomever this was deciding to overwrite the file broke
the catalog but not the rest of the box. I suggest that anyone else using
the Catalog module check their installation just for good measure.  

So, it was a trivial stupid thing that are usually the cause of such
problems though it didn't make my day to hear this news before I had my
first cup of coffee which may explain the note that was up on the front
page for a while.

Nothing was damaged or compromised save my ego :) 

And, as far as the idiots go, I doubt there are any fewer today then there
were yesterday. 

e.



Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Chris Benson wrote:
 I know a state-of-emergency (or whatever) has been called

to right it has, as I understand it this means now that you are supposed
to drive a 5.3L V8 rather than the 7.1L V8 unless absolutlely necessary
...

oops .. read 358cubic inch and 427ci ... these new fangled litres and
things don't work over there yet :))

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Where's my bloody gun?

2001-06-12 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:

 And, as far as the idiots go, I doubt there are any fewer today then there
 were yesterday. 

well .. my theory is:
they say 'theres one born every minute'.. but sometimes, due to
oversight, there isn't one born for a whole hour or so, so they have to
send along a particularly stupid one to keep the averages up.

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



FreeBSD v Linux

2001-06-12 Thread Robin Szemeti

It has occured to me over the last year that several people have
proclaimed FreeBSD  to be superior to Linux and vice versa. During these
debates no one has been able to give me convincing argument why one may
be better than the other ...

Today, someone sent me this link, which I believe makes a very powerful
argument regarding the potential 'back doors' in Linux.

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~cullenm/2dart/regi.jpg

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Where's my bloody gun?

2001-06-12 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
 
  And, as far as the idiots go, I doubt there are any fewer today then there
  were yesterday. 
 
 well .. my theory is:
 they say 'theres one born every minute'.. but sometimes, due to
 oversight, there isn't one born for a whole hour or so, so they have to
 send along a particularly stupid one to keep the averages up.

eeek! .. re reads own post .. someone could read that the wrong way and
think I was having a dig .. which is exactly _not_ what i wanted to do .. 

it was a general comment for amusment value only .. before anyone gets
the wrong idea ! ;))

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Mike Jarvis

Tuesday, June 12, 2001, 2:55:38 PM, Chris Benson wrote:

CB On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:15:36AM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote:
  From: Chris Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
  Why, when the sun is shining (almost) and there is a popular (?) govt.
  do I feel like I did in early/mid 70's: like the end of the 
  world was nigh?
 
 Hmm, not sure... but is the feeling helped buy having someone in the White
 House who has no real idea of foreign policy (and doesn't seem to care that
 much), and is sitting at his desk thinking (and I use the term advisedly) -
 'I wonder what this big red button does...'

CB Oh yes,  I vaguely thought on reading about the floods in The South
CB that maybe this was supposed to be a message like Repent your sins or
CB I wash you off the face of the Earth.  If so it missed Washington DC 
CB by about a 1,000 miles and Texas by 500.  It probably missed GWB by a
CB couple of light years.

Missed Texas by 500 miles?  I think not.  I was in Houston.  Worst
place on earth.  I most definatly did NOT miss Texas.

And I wouldn't have been any happier had it hit DC instead.  I live
there, as do several million people who weren't elected to anything
(including dubya).

If you could localize the storm to a box bounded by D  2nd SE and H
and 17th NW, I'd be ok with that.  Oh, and take out Georgetown too
while you're at it.


-- 
mike





Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:10:28PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
 Missed Texas by 500 miles?  I think not.  I was in Houston.  Worst
 place on earth.  I most definatly did NOT miss Texas.

Houston rocks, although if I moved back it would be to Austin. Houston's
humidity (the airborne type, as opposed to the 10ft deep land-based
stuff) and traffic are beyond vile.

Paul

-- 
Cut a vital connection



Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Dave Cross

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:55:17PM -0500, Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Larry speaks in a bit over 9 hours.  Yippee!

Actually - he doesn't :)

http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/12/2255236

Dave...

-- 

  Drugs are just bad m'kay




Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Chris Benson

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:10:28PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
 Tuesday, June 12, 2001, 2:55:38 PM, Chris Benson wrote:
 
 CB I wash you off the face of the Earth.  If so it missed Washington DC 
 CB by about a 1,000 miles and Texas by 500.  It probably missed GWB by a
 CB couple of light years.
 
 Missed Texas by 500 miles?  I think not.  I was in Houston.  Worst
 place on earth.  I most definatly did NOT miss Texas.

I need to read the news more often, I was thinking about Louisiana!
I also need to get a better grip of the geography: I thought
LA. was the Florida side of Mississippi and Alabama.
-- 
Chris Benson