From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols? August is, in some quarters at least, considered a non-month for the purposes of all sorts of events - possibly even for an Open Source Convention :-) Having said that, most London PM types aren't constrained by the likes of school-age children, so will probably take holidays at better value times of year... In case it's of interest, Monday, August, 27th, 2001 is the summer bank holiday (i.e. a public holiday) this year, at least according to http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm HTH, Andrew.  What with us having such long vacations over here and all.
From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl, it's for a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.) What we really need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's in August? I imagine it will to some extent - but probably not too much. See what other folk here think and ask around on some of the European (i.e. continental) lists to see what they think. I know the Germans are quite keen on heading en masse to southern Europe in the summer. Andrew.  An improvement on their previous European excursions :-)
From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] write a suggestions document of where the project management and management functions are going wrong if they ignore it leave Do you know anywhere this has happened Greg? ;-)
From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-) Nah, I don't know enough about encryption ;-) But then again, ignorance doesn't seem to be an obstacle to most lobbyists or salesmen! Reminds me of ye olde joke: Q. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a software salesman? A. A used car salesman knows he's lying! Andrew.
From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. What sort of numbers are we talking about then? If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference type facilities (also handy for the airport!). There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley Conference Centre, The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or whatever it's called) etc. etc. HTH, Andrew.  Possibly closed just now for redevelopment.
From: Greg Cope [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Does MT have a special T shirt vendor ? Yesterdays was a monopoply joke that I did not get I tuned in halfway through an item about ECGD (the UK Govt's export credit guarantee department), which was something to do with two hotels they helped fund in Ghana, which turned out to be one hotel and a load of apartments, presumably without any refund to the poor old UK taxpayers... - hence the shirt - two hotels != one hotel and four houses... Andrew.
From: Michael Stevens [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Tools - Options - Preferences - E-mail Options ... (This is Microsoft Outlook 2000 SR-1 Corporate or Workgroup) Outlook 98 and Outlook Express also have this feature. Outlook 97 (my current employer's choice) doesn't (so the above quoting is manually inserted - I should be thankful that the Exchange server here is at least configured to squash HTML/RTF email into plain text). It may be heresy to admit it around here (come on then MuttCarroll!), but I actually quite like Outlook Express (as distinct from Outlook) as a mail client. Once it's configured to disable scripting etc. it's biggest flaw, aside from its provenance in Redmond, is that it doesn't seem possible to disable the display of HTML email - which is kind of annoying given the opportunity this offers to spammers etc. to track the display of email. Maybe it's not so good after all ;-) Andrew.
From: Mike Jarvis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just be glad they didn't start playing "Slap the Yank". You mean like the Polizei that you mentioned during our happy sojourn in The Bunker at ebookers? Those were the days :-) (The Bunker, not the Polizei!). Andrew.
From: Michael Stevens [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] MMDDYY is about as backwards and illogical as you can possibly get. Our cousins across the ocean appear to like it for some reason. I suspect this was the motivation for the module. Along with a few other quirks, such as: - copper plate handwriting; - combined brake and indicator lights; - crap television shows with adverts interspersed between programme and credits; - insisting on forms that *everyone* has zip code and a state; Without mentioning their notion of spelling or their curious insistence on independence from Britain ;-) Bizarre indeed! Andrew.
[Continuing off-topic - not a surprise on London.pm, I'm sure (I thought Mr. Cantrell's [ot] the other day denoted 'on-topic' :--)] From: Marty Pauley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] In some countries the 'family name' is actually defined by your job, location, or other mutable property. It used to be like that in Europe. Hence names like Smith, Fletcher, Skinner, Mercer, etc. etc. (inc. Bowman). On a related note, many Jewish surnames are of a similar, central European origin (the likes of Goldblum (Goldflower), Spielberg (Playhill), Birnbaum (Peartree) etc.) is that Jews didn't have/use family names (at that time at least)and, following a change in the law (those Germans again), had to adopt family names, hence the preponderance of names like those above). In other countries the family name changes each generation, so taking "Jonathan Peterson" as an example: his father would be "Peter something" and his children would be "something Jonathanson". The same happened in Scotland/Ireland/etc. - Mc/Mac literally means 'Son of', hence names like MacDonald and Donaldson are essentially the same name. Irish republicans sometimes reverse the anglicisation of names, hence the likes of Sean MacStiofain, a senior IRA man, who was originally born in London as John Stevenson. In Iceland they append 'son' for sons and 'dottir' for daughters - hence Magnus Magnusson is the son of Magnus, whilst Sally Magnusson would, in Iceland at least, be Sally Magnusdottir. Andrew.
From: "James Powell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps - For an extra point, what show had an impression of Trevor McDonald called "Trevor McDoughnut"? Trevor McDoughnut is/was a Lenny Henry character - so it was probably Three of a Kind (remember that?), or another programme with Lenny H. in it. For another point, who were the other two 'comedians' in Three of a Kind? And, for half a point, to whom is Lenny Henry married? Andrew.
Just now there are two interesting discussions going on, one about Perl certification, the other about databases, under the subject 'Re: Job: I'm looking for one..", both of which forked off from the original discussion a long while back. Can one or preferably both sets of participants please change to a more apt subject line - normally discussions drifting from their original topic isn't that big a problem (I'm guilty as charged too), but when the list is as busy as it is just now, with two quite different discussions going by the same subject line, it'd be a big help for those trying to follow the conversation(s) if they could be differentiated by their subject lines! Go on, please ;-) Andrew. application/ms-tnef
From: David Cantrell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Why the hell not. The farm which I believe Greg has in mind (www.middlefarm.com) also sells mead. Yum! And do they supply Butane canisters and matches too? ;-) Andrew.
From: Simon Wistow [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into ^^^ Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you? /me suspects Dave may have been kidnapped and replaced by a dozier, evil replacement. Either that or he misread FM as SM, or, worse, FHM. Andrew.
From: dcross - David Cross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your, and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :) True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein. Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would have done it". Also, the more subtle, but equally invidious, "When did you want to go out?" meaning "When do you want to go out?". "How many did you want?" he said. "Oh, I still want seven" the customer replied. Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's. The proverbial Grocer's Apostrophe - Tomatoe's Potato's (or, for the full experience, Tomato's Potatoe's). And anuvver fing, wot abaht thowse peehpul 'oo prefix everyfink wiv 'actual'? The actual this, the actual that. And many, many more...
From: Dave Hodgkinson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] And of course, the best English speakers are probably the Scots and the Welsh. Discuss! I'm not so sure about the Welsh you know ;-) Re. the Scots, me apart, it depends on which part of Scotland. Some of the clearest and most pleasant English speaking to be heard is among the highlanders, many of whom ordinarily use Gaelic where possible. In other areas, e.g. some parts of Glasgow, the language might as well be Gaelic as far as southerners are concerned(viz. Rab C. Nesbitt - I'm sure a lot of his witticisms are lost on those unfamiliar with Glaswegian vernacular). Even so, there are plenty of call centres in and around Scottish towns and cities - in part because of the perceived benefits of Scots accents. On the subject of Glasgow, did any of you see the episode of Chewin' the Fat (a sketch show akin to Naked Video) with the sketch of a couple of Dixons-a-like shop assistants insisting to a customer that she needs an extended warranty on the batteries she's buying? Hilarious stuff - ending, of course, with the offer of an extended warranty on a carrier bag :-) Andrew.
From: Neil Ford [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The perl script to do stuff with wireless scanning and GPS had me salivating :-) Time to buy an eTrek I think. Where was GPS mentioned? I had a good hunt round (by myself and with the assistance of the Altavista host: search parameter) but couldn't find it. Thanks, Andrew.
I'm trying to install the Tk module on a Win32 system (I realise this is where my mistake lies, however, leaving that aside...). The docs say to: perl Makefile.PL nmake nmake test nmake install_perl Which seems to presume the presence of nmake as part of either an MS C or Borland C compiler setup. There's also mention of it being possible to build it with MinGW (a Minimalist GCC type setup for Windows), however this doesn't come with nmake (and it's own make barfs on the TK makefile). I haven't had much luck Googling for docs on how to install Tk on Win32 using MinGW (or any other approach that involves having a commercial Windows C compiler), other than a fleeting reference to 'head scratching' - so any help or pointers or insights you can offer will be appreciated. Andrew.
From: Dean [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] If you don't really need to compile it yourself how's about: ppm install Tk? Good idea - I can see PPM being useful if I have to persist with Win32 stuff! Thanks for the pointer James Dean. Andrew.
From: Robert Shiels [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Also, if you have any firewall problems, or a fast link at work and a slow dialup at home Thanks again - I got it installed okay (no firewall probs). The laughable thing is that I have a fast link at home and a slow ISDN at work (soon to be upgraded to a 128Kbps leased line I hear - woohoo! ;-) The upside of working beyond the reach of ADSL (out at Harleyford, near Marlow) is the beautiful countryside, with lunchtime walks by the Thames and through the woods (although the FMD outbreak hasn't helped this). This and the perpetually uplifting birdsong just outside the office. Andrew.  Did I tell you how fast ADSL is Greg? :-)
From: Barbie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quote Installing CPAN modules requires that you have Microsoft DevStudio or nmake.exe installed. If you are installing modules that contain xs files, then you need DevStudio, otherwise you only need nmake.exe. You can download nmake from http://download.microsoft.com/download/vc15/Patch/1.52/W95/EN-US/Nmake15.exe . Run the self-extracting exe and copy nmake.exeto the perl\bin directory. /quote Thanks for the tip. I tried this before bothering the list with my query (which was itself rendered redundant with the helpful suggestion of ActiveState's ppm's). I didn't put the MS nmake in the perl\bin dir (this doesn't strike me as significant). When I ran it it chuntered away happily on the Tk makefile for a while, and then stopped, looking for a program called 'cl' - presumably a c linker. There are 25 xs files in the Tk distribution, so I guess this is where that approach went wrong. Thanks again all, Andrew.
From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] point of order - they are filters, not bots Isn't that two points? And is a line the shortest distance between them? Point of yet further pedantry: I think you mean a directed line segment that intersects two points... Andrew.
From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Chris Heathcote wrote: Mega-Shiels 2001 Ltd. Shiels-Up! PLC In a similar vein, how about 'Green Shiels Temps'? It has a certain ring about it to those of us old enough to remember reams of the things being dished out in Woolies and the like. :-) Andrew.
Excuse me for my ignorance of this matter, however I can't figure out what 'CHOPS' means in this context (and am sure I'm not alone among London PMers, at least not on this question). According to acronymfinder.com it's Controlled Humidity Operational Preservation System, but I doubt this is what the tiresome oik on crackwood.com or cookpot.com or whatever it is was referring to. Nor does Jeeves know either. Yours not so blissfully ignorant, Andrew. -Original Message- From: Struan Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 May 2001 13:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sing if you're happy that way * at 08/05 13:04 +0100 Matthew Jones said: Wisty - next T-shirt please: use strict is gay Heh. On the back -w is jolly? surely the back should be: CHOPS struan
From: Cross David - dcross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It's what Chris uses to sign off his more erudite postings at the Cookwood board - either that or the even more scarey 'PISHA'! That much I'd figured out - perhaps I'm being too deep and meaningful in assuming that 'CHOPS' has some greater meaning. That said, 'CHOPS' and 'PISHA' have all sorts of possibilities for acronymic re-interpretation, e.g.: Chris HOping Puberty Starts Perl Is Shit Hot, Aie. I look forward to seeing what else can be contrived by the fetid imaginations of London PM (collectively and individually). I hope 'Chris' will appreciate our efforts :-) Andrew.