Re: Using perl for a high performance mailer daemon ?
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Greg Cope wrote: Sorry to drag the tone back down to perl You could at least have done it on the proper list (you know, the one that Jonathan Stowe said he wouldn't be closing down this afternoon). CC'ed to the real list. I fixed the reply address on lists.dircon.co.uk so it shouldnt matter :) /J\
Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel. Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)! still thats not bad what i think they do is start cheap then slowly raise the price as seats get booked up i'm wondering how many London.pm are going to be on this flight shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they? please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-) There is a semi-decent bar at Gatwick airport anyhow Or we could all meet up for a pints in Horley first :) /J\
Re: Templating Solutions
On 18 Jun 2001, Steve Mynott wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Template Toolkit HTML::Mason Text::Template HTML::Template HTML::Embperl Also Apache::ASP I did have this crackhead idea a week or two ago about making something that 'Compiled' HTML to modules with something like a DOM interface (much like the thing with Enhydra does ) - this of course would not really be Templating but something more like manipulating the HTML directly through method calls ... I wont bore you with the code as its not at all finished. /J\
Re: Templating Solutions
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing to be enlightened here. Separation of code and data - or in this case, layout, content and logic. As a reference for this kind of thing one might ( if one can be arsed to look at Java stuff ) to look at the way the Enhydra thingy does things in creating classes in directories like : business data presentation resources /J\
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: Some people asked about how to get on the modlist, as far as I know the process is detailed here http://www.cpan.org/modules/04pause.html#namespace And I bet Johan was figuring on a quiet weekend :) /J\
Re: CMS frameworks
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Some guys out here in Brizzle want to do Yet Another CMS. Are there any frameworks out there they can plug together to make something plausible? What is CMS ? I guess it isnt the Compact Muon Solenoid in this context. /J\
Re: Tie::Hash::Transactional
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, David Cantrell wrote: Go me! Tie::Hash::Transactional is written. It implements a hash which you can checkpoint and rollback. Thats weird, I just wrote something that did that very thing the other day .. the transactional bit was just a side affect of having a tied hash that could tell which keys which had been updated so I could cheat big time with the internal data hash which keeps all the stuff for the billing system here ... /J\
Re: YAPC::Europe
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? It had been my intention for the whole Gellyfish Clan to venture forth to Amsterdam but it looks like I will be the only representative now as the leader has decided that she has been to Amsterdam too many times previously to justify the cost and I cant be arsed to argue about it :) /J\
Re: Y::E accomodation
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Redvers Davies wrote: The Bilderberg Garden Hotel. lastmin.com do bookings for it. Wow. Either you have more money than you know what to do with or your company allows for higher expenses than mine. www.lastminute.com says GBP 82.90 - GBP 126.46; my company guidelines say (for German hotels) DEM 140 - DEM170, or ca. GBP 40 - GBP 55 (guessed). And it seems to be a 5* hotel. I'm getting some Platinum plated cats soon /J\
Re: Training anyone ?
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:57:08PM +0100, Dave Thorn wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Dave Thorn wrote: that settles it, yes. everything's for sale, even pride. London Pride? obviously. they don't just give it away or hoard it, y'know? There were posters up at London Bridge station about a promotion where the pubs on various of the London stations were giving away free pints, different days for different stations. I first saw the poster on May 5th. The promotions were either on May 3rd or May 2nd. Now, as the poster had a nice big picture of London Pride on it (IIRC) it is unlikely that I would have walked past it for even 1 day without noticing it. So I wonder if the cheeky buggers only put the posters up after the event. They had it at Cannon Street a few weeks ago on free offer - I had a couple of free cans of it. However they have it cheap in cans and I have a couple most nights :) /J\
Test of sorts
Since I've changed my mail setup I've had a bit of a problem with resending the bounced mails - hopefully this will prove that I fixed it :) You shouldnt be seeing any spurious [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: headers in this ... /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe Analyst/Programmer Netscalibur UK Tel: 0870 887 8841 - Fax: 0870 887 8867 http://www.netscalibur.co.uk -- Email disclaimer: This can be viewed at http://www.netscalibur.co.uk/email.html
Re: Some pretty pictures ...
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: At 13:01 11/06/01 +0100, you wrote: Unlikely. http://www.iterative-software.com/~pdcawley/acme.png is vaguely perlish though. Hey, that's a good photo. It's Leontastic. No Red eyes, not sitting in front of a picture of well known nazi leader , it cant be the real Leon ... /J\
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Richard Clamp wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:57:52PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:10:53PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: And how about a signal/noise bias? ;-) The noise *is* signal. I'll have what he's drinking. Drinking ? SEE PATTERNS IN NORMALLY AMBIGUOUS [ VISUAL ] MATERIAL and MORE TOLERANT OF CONTRADICTIONS are described in http://www.druglibrary.org/special/tart/tart24.htm :) /J\
Re: Upcoming technical meeting
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether: I'll be there... btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the list will be published. [1] Speakers will be told Real Soon Now. Registration might happen pretty soon too. Speakers don't need to register. maybe you'd like to make the point that those who can spare 40 quid or whatever and are speakers can still register to help balance the books Wierdly I just heard this morning that my proposal has been accepted - voice style=Mr TCrazee Fools/voice :) /J\
Re: Default library paths
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Matthew Robinson wrote: Apologies in advance if I have missed something blindingly obvious :) I need to change the default library paths in a compiled copy of perl. Basically, I want to move /usr/lib/perl5 into /usr/local/lib/perl5. I am unable to recompile perl as it is compiled for arm-linux and I don't have either the cross-compiler or the correct configuration to get perl to build for this architecture. PERL5LIB ? /J\
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:59:48PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all 4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one joined up government answer? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19340.html says the man to talk to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just asked him whether he thinks restricting access to IE and NS only (hence cutting off speech browsers for the blind) constitutes discrimination against the disabled. :) Precisely. And using Java et al is a discrimination against the mobility impaired. /J\
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Paul Makepeace wrote on Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2001 13:27: Greg McCarroll: 1546 ** Dave Cross: 762 Jonathan Stowe: 729 *** Robin Szemeti: 586 ** David Cantrell: 563 ** Paul Makepeace: 504 Leon Brocard: 459 ** Piers Cawley: 378 David H. Adler: 365 *** Simon Wistow: 355 *** Philip Newton: 331 ** Well, I just barely missed being in the Top 10... I didn't think I wrote *that* much. Horrors. Well based on another totally unscientific sample you did :) Greg McCarroll (426) ** Dave Cross (247) Robin Szemeti (237) *** David Cantrell (235) *** Paul Makepeace (197) *** Jonathan Stowe (192) *** Dave Hodgkinson(170) * Philip Newton (162) Piers Cawley (148) ** Dominic Mitchell (134) * /J\
No Subject
Oh my word, why *is* Nathan Barley on 18:23 from Cannon Street? /J\
Re: old pictures
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon, http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG But what *was* that all about ? /J\
Re: Religion
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing round a tree in May) are good healthy things to do. What with this and Piers' earlier revelations and the ever present Unixbeard I have this feeling that maybe we ought to get a Morris Side together for next years Jack in the Green festival in Hastings, This will be an amusing thing. /J\
The truth will out ( was Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOUHAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT)
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Matthew Robinson wrote: [1] Don't ask me why I was watching Live Kicking as I don't know the answer Oh we will ask you, and you are expected to make up some bulllshit however ludicrous, now that Ant Dec dont do it you cant say you fancy them ... /J\
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. /J\
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. so when is the next bang holiday weekend? The next *bank* holiday is in august. The bang holiday could be anytime :) /J\
Re: crazy golf
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: What ever happened to the london.pm crazy golf game? I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. /J\
Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Paul Sharpe wrote: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh that would have been very useful for me at one time. I've got bells ringing in my head about how hard it was to get a C library out of them in the early days. Illustra - Nice ideas, shame about the locking approach (and lack of outer joins, etc etc)! Ah, but Blades and time series stuff. Doesn't PostgreSQL carry on the Illustra tradition? It went to Informix most recently and then of course to IBM. /J\
Re: Long shot
On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Anyone know a windows IMAP client that: 1. Isn't Netscape 2. Isn't Eudora 3. Actually Works 4. Is free or cheap PC Pine. /J\
Piracy (was Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?)
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 17:28 19/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: Robin Houston writes: Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://xx.xxx.xx/ I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers, of all people, would advocate pirating the Camel. Yeah, way to thank Larry! I'm not entirely sure that anyone was actively advocating piracy. I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books _is_ advocating piracy. YMMV. I think that this is probably down to a difference in the way that we apprehend the meaning of the phrase 'advocating piracy', but on reflection I can see that it could be understood like that. There is an increasing ambiguity in peoples attitude to 'soft crime' these days, I would, say which ranges from Intellectual Property theft to buying smuggled booze and fags to paying tradesmen 'Cash in Hand' to buying Hear'Say records - because the final victim is detached from the perpetrator by a chain of consequences it easy to do this stuff with your conscience intact. I'd love to blame Thatcher for it. /J\
Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 00:06 20/05/2001, James Powell wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:00:38AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list... The interesting bits are as follows; The really interesting bit was Mr Ford dancing around in his living room crowing because Sara Cox had read his name out on the radio. Ahh Sara Cox - as deserving of her position in the FHM top 100 women as she is of her £750K out of the license fee for two years blathering. I'm sure I'm really in the minority here, but I can't be the only one who finds all this discussion of the FHM list distasteful. I've never really understood why intelligent men find it acceptable to objectify women in this way. Although of course everyone objects most vociferously when Cosmo or some similar magazines produce a list of 'The Worlds Sexiest Men'. :) And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a woman (or man) was simply by looking at a photo. Its in the eyes, Dave, its in the eyes. Dave... [disgruntled] Yeah, we noticed. Bad Hangover ?-) /J\
Cats Are the Unseen Rulers of the World (was Re: Politics (was RE:BOFHs requiring license))
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Alex Gough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench. ... Before I kill you, Mr Bond, I want you to sign this confession of your own incompetance using your ordinary looking pen. action type=strokes naked cat What do you mean `naked'? As in one of those freaky hairless ones? Or are you in the habit of dressing your cats up in little outfits? Do lots of people dress their cats up? Is there a GAP for cats? Complete with irritatingly happy cats dancing to 70s and 80s pop music? There are some people down the road who have Cornish Rexx Cats - those ones that look like chihuahua dogs with big heads that look astonishingly like those of the classic whitley stryder grey aliens. Coincidence ? I think not. /J\
Privacy, its their choice! ( was Re: Enough!)
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect. No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. ??? ... its simple. If they choose to withhold their number I choose to reject their call. they can always dial code to release their number if they choose. Many large organisations have an alternate presentation number so you get the number of the switchboard ratehr than the office extension number. I simply don't want people phoning me up who refuse to own up to who they are before they invade my privacy. I also have killfile entries for all the usenet anonymizers that I know of for precisely the same reason. /J\
Re: BOFHs requiring license
On Sun, 13 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 15:27 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK? Don't ask me, you elected 'em. And it looks like you're all stupid enough to do it *again*. troll type=politics I know, I know. Blair doesn't have a socialist bone in his body - it's been a _most_ disappointing four years, all i all. But given that the Socialist Alliance are only standing in ~100 constituencies, there doesn't seem to be any credible alternative. /troll if only the SNP covered the whole of the UK What the Sussex Nationalist Party - I dont think it will work somehow :) /J\
Politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)
I just thought I'd remind you all that the last time talk here turned to politics it nearly ended in tears before bedtime. Please think before you post anything potentially inflamable as I think there are a wider variety of more strongly held views represented here than is apparent from the usual content of the messages :) /J\
RE: Perl training
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Matthew Jones wrote: http://www.iterative-software.com/training/ Can you do another Perl course, please? CHOPS programming: Please dont do that while I'm eating crisps again - I nearly ashpyxiated :) /J\
Re: Perl training
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Chris Ball wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: STPPPIDD! OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty! /obscure_quoting Wheel of Fish! /J\
Re: Enough!
On 14 May 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Please, would you take the politics elsewhere? Some of us really don't give a shit either way. I did warn them but they appeared to ignore me ... /J\
RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roger Horne wrote: On Mon 14 May, Matthew Jones wrote: No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC. Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce class sizes in primary schools and to recruit more secondary school teachers. How can they achieve the former without recruiting more teachers? Merge the Dept of Education and MAFF? Culling Children ... now there's an idea. /J\
RE: BOUNCE london-pm@lists.dircon.co.uk: Non-member submission from [Melissa Fivelman Melissa.Fivelman@ebookers.com]
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Melissa Fivelman wrote: So does that mean James Duncan's address is off or not? Er no that was simply some advice about how to deal with a similar situation if it should arise in the future. In fact I had already removed [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list of subscribers prior to replying as could have been determined empirically from the lack of new messages to that address. Thanks melissa No problem. /J\ -Original Message- From: Jonathan Stowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 May 2001 15:57 To: Melissa Fivelman Subject: Re: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Non-member submission from [Melissa Fivelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Mon, 14 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to let you know that we have had numerous e-mails coming in addressed to James Duncan from your address. For your future reference to unsubscribe from a majordomo managed list you should send a message to majordomo@list-host with unsubscribe list-name e-mail address of subscriber Or alternatively you should e-mail the list owner which is usually not the Reply-To: address /J\ This email including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system.The unauthorized use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden.
Re: Traditional music (was Re: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))
On 12 May 2001, Piers Cawley wrote: I prefer trad English. And I really prefer trad. English vocal, preferably without instruments... I thought I saw someone who looked like you with the Morris Dancers last monday :) /J\
Re: Monitors
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote: How many things do you have on top of your monitor? Er, none this is a laptop :) I did have a wooden camel on top of the old desktop machine but this is now on top of the telly. /J\
An outside the M25 UK resident catches up on his mail (was Re: seeattachment)
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: well i had 15 minutes to spare so i decided to do this ... Its all over then ... /J\
Re: Buffy musings ...
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 18:26 08/05/2001, Dean wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:20:33PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Whilst we're (kinda) on the topic, can I have a reminder of who's going to yapc. I'm still umm-ing and ahh-ing over whther I can afford it (us phud students suffer for our science). I'm interested in going to YAPC, is London PM going as a group or is it all just ad-hoc? What do you _honestly_ think the answer to that question will be? I _honestly_ believe that if the will is there we *will* get it together as a group to go :) I'm still just trying to find a reasonably priced hotel with a proper bar ... :) /J\
Re: Buffy musings ...
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 21:59 08/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 18:26 08/05/2001, Dean wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:20:33PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Whilst we're (kinda) on the topic, can I have a reminder of who's going to yapc. I'm still umm-ing and ahh-ing over whther I can afford it (us phud students suffer for our science). I'm interested in going to YAPC, is London PM going as a group or is it all just ad-hoc? What do you _honestly_ think the answer to that question will be? I _honestly_ believe that if the will is there we *will* get it together as a group to go :) I'll believe it when I see it! I'm still just trying to find a reasonably priced hotel with a proper bar ... :) The organising committee are trying to get the details of the dorms in the school. These will be a) very cheap and b) very close to the venue. I dont want to stay in no steenking dorms :) /J\
Spammers dont you just love 'em
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Re: Apocalypse Two
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2001, you wrote: The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant is forever blessed. -- Old Japanese proverb The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant is extremely drunk. -- Old Yorkshire proverb The man who sees, on New Year's Day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant is : A) In need of a short stint in the Betty Ford clinic B) someone who needs to book back into The Priory PDQ C) someone who has been rifling in my stash box ... BTW that is Aubergine not Egg plant :) /J\
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Paul Mison wrote: On 03/05/2001 at 13:56 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote parenthetically: some of London.pm were over in NYC - is anyone going to write a report? Yes, eventually; I sent a message about this earlier but forgot to mung the sender address so it'll need approving (Mr Stowe?) Done. /J\
Re: Funny thing
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but the code below gives a syntax
error. I think it ought to do what it looks like it ought to do. What's
the reason?
$foo = 'bar';
$foo =~ /bar/ and {print yes; print yes again;}
... and do { print ... };
gives: syntax error at test line 2, near ; print
$foo = 'bar';
$foo =~ /bar/ and {print yes;}
gives: syntax error at test line 2, near ;}
.. and do { print .. };
It is the semicolon that fucks this one.
$foo = 'bar';
$foo =~ /bar/ and {print yes}
prints yes as expected.
What's going on, eh?
You missed the :
Useless use of scalar ref constructor in void context at foo.pl line 2.
Odd number of elements in hash assignment at foo.pl line 2.
printing yes is a side affect :)
It thinks that it is a hash ref in a void where the first and only element
is the result of 'print yes' er 1 I think :)
/J\
Re: require Module; and filehandles
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Jonathan Stowe wrote: And hide the test failures if you are running on SCO OpenServer or Unixware (see p5p passim) :) Does anyone still run SCO? Thought they'd all died. Yep. Our billing system runs on it. And apart from the occasional problem compiling more modern software on it - am generally happy with it. /J\
Re: Good Accountants
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Chris Ball wrote: [ I sent this earlier on, but it doesn't seem to have gone through - I'm trying again using the address I subscribed with, but I'm sure I've used a non-subscription address before. Are postings subscriber only ..? ] Yes. postings are subscriber only - It's just the moderation fairy tries to make things appear as seemless as possible :O /J\
Re: DBD::*-bind_param() ?
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:16:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Clearly says someone who's hasn't installed Oracle recently! You can install Oracle now? Wow, they must have really been fixing it of late. Great. They keep sending me the 9i suite for Linux and I have just been giving away the disks - maybe I'll install it next time they send it :) /J\
Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Alex Page wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:47:47PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic What is this off-topic you speak of? Is it a custom of your people? Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called goats-fans, for fans of Goats: the Comic Strip (http://www.goats.com - NOW!), and flaming and off-topic posting leads to the moderators kicking your arse severly. Yeah. I think I should cop more praise for being such a sweet, lovely forgiving moderator :) /J\
Re: require Module; and filehandles
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] The first (PerlIO) method ought to work though, because PerlIO layers are lower-level than tied filehandles. So if you can use perl 5.7.1... Sure ... now all I have to do is convince my boss 5.7.1 is the best choice for a production environment ... And hide the test failures if you are running on SCO OpenServer or Unixware (see p5p passim) :) /J\
Re: require Module; and filehandles
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote: Hi, Sorry to pollute this list with a question about Perl... I am writing a customer handler for loading modules at runtime, taking advantage of the support for coderefs in the @INC array. By deleting entries in the %INC hash for loaded modules I can force Perl to recompile the module after it has been first loaded. This is particularly important with mod_perl, since the modules themselves may change during the life of the program. So whats wrong with StatInc ? /J\
Re: Company Name
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:39:38PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: I thought of Shiels IT Services, but one potential acronym of this is not very pleasing :-) Well, that might be a feature, you know. After all, it's what a lot of people think of when they think of contractors. Oooh get her :) /J\
Program::Approx
Well I guess it was going to happen sooner or later, consider :
package Foo;
use strict;
use Text::Soundex;
use File::Basename;
use Devel::Symdump;
use Dircon::Billing::AutoID;
my $obj = Devel::Symdump-new(__PACKAGE__);
no strict 'refs';
my %funcs = map { s/.*://; (soundex($_),\{$_} ) } $obj-functions();
my ($name, $path, $ext ) = fileparse($0,'\..+');
my $sname = soundex($name);
if ( exists $funcs{$sname} )
{
print $funcs{$sname}-(@ARGV);
}
else
{
die $0: $name not defined\n;
}
Then of course calling the program something like one of subroutines
defined in or imported into the current package will cause that subroutine
to be run with @ARGV as its arguments.
I was tempted to use the above code in the real world, but I plumped for
something similar without the subroutine discovery and without the soundex
- the program name - subroutime mapping hard-coded in. I sometimes think
of the sanity of those that might follow.
/J\
Re: frot the box
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, you wrote: the stuff has arrived, so we'll probably have a go at putting shiney new things in penderel tomorrow evening. if there's a time when this would inconvenience you, let me know and i'll make a proper schedule if need be. otherwise watch out for wall'd and irc announcements. was that: if there's a time when this would inconvenience you and I'll try and avoid it or 'and I'll tune for maximum invonvenience?' ... go with the latter .. you know it makes sense. BOFH-fever, BOFH-fever, you've just got to do it ... /J\
Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 04:14:02PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 04:04:55PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, you wrote: They have *the* best electric bass player in the entire world, ummm ... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that honour bestowed on Norman Watt Roy ? Clive off of (void) told me to mention Billy Sheehan, Stu Hamm and Jaco Pastorius and see what happened :-) I would just like to throw in John Glascock, 'cause no one ever talks about him and I liked him. I'll see your John Glassock and raise you a Marcus Miller /J\
Re: BtVS : Best Male
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote: I had bleached hair once and I looked gorgeous - mind I had pink hair once as well ... :) another twenty years matey and you'll be posting : " i had hair once ... " :)) Another couple of weeks probably (he says picking hairs off the keyboard) :) /J\
Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: 5/2/2001 Pizza Express London, England Which Pizza Express ? /J\
Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, jo walsh wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs? i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a little while... How can you inadvertently hack ? /J\
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: Simon Wistow wrote: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London ^^ *cough* Frscking, sucking, send shortcuts in netscape. Apologies. I guess it was inevitable really /J\
Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract Borrocks /J\
Re: BtVS : Best Male
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote: On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 02:59 AM, Greg McCarroll wrote: i seem to remember something about spike looking better with out his bleached hair look according to MG Practically everybody looks better without bleached hair. I had bleached hair once and I looked gorgeous - mind I had pink hair once as well ... :) /J\
Belgian Art House Movies ( was Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm)
On 19 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Wednesday, April 18, 2001, 5:37:22 PM, David H. Adler wrote: Mike Jarvis wrote: CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz. DHA Clarification: That's Freddie Prinz, Jr. His father was the star of DHA Chico and the Man, a sitcom of, uh, mid-70s vintage, I think. Don't DHA know if it ever made it across the water, though. Since Sr. is dead, Buffy always did dig dead guys... Dig _up_ dead guys? What was that Belgian Art House movie of the eighties which started out with the guy being taken the piss of as a teenager as a child because of his acne and ends with him being arrested for stealing a corpse to have his wicked way with ? /J\
Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:43:09PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:30 PM CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz. Why would that bother us? Remember, we're all Willow fans here. Heh. A friend of mine just asked me if I was upset about this, and my response was similar... Just like Davina McCall she waited until i was married before she gave up and settled for second best! Yeah, but the woman aint got no dress sense - she always appears on TV with a stoat around her neck. /J\
Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Chris Benson wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:26:54PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix box in question is running AIX. *Cough* several IBM people I've spoken to believe that IBM's FastConnect(tm) "PC integration software for AIX" or whatever, *is* SAMBA ... and IBM were listed as supporters on the 2.x release notes this week ... (an the "IBM HTTP server" is Apache ...). I have a supsicion that SCO's 'VisionFS' is the same deal - or rather it is a re-engineering of SMB or CIFS or whatever they want to call it ... /J\
Re: The Natives are Revolting
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453 JS! stop it i'm replying! LOL at Greg's post. Greg++ You've upset them now : http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4473 /J\
Re: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Sorry to drag the list off-topic, but I've a Perl question! I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first time I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible that it's a wider issue. The 'make' seems to go ok, but when I run 'make test' I get the same error for each test file: t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so' for module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A file or directory in the path name does not exist. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168. at t/unbroken-text.t line 2 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/unbroken-text.t line 2. dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file exists and is readable. The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than gcc. Does anyone have any clues about this? Is AIX one of those OS that requires you to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or some equivalent to load a shared library - although this shouldnt be the case for the binary part of a module because dynaloader searches in a bunch of places relative to @INC ... Is it some other .so file that Parser.so uses ? What does ldd tell you ? /J\
Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 10:25:33AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: because for it to be accepted as an official religion (whatever the hell that is) you need 20,000 people in the country to claim to follow it .. This is of course bullshit, but then you all knew that already, right? If you fill in your own made-up religion, then you'll just get lumped in with all the other weirdoes regardless of whether you put Jedi, Discordian, Cthulhuan or whatever. I was under the impression that if a large enough sample of people indicated the same 'alternative religion' in the census then it would achieve a degree of statistical significance to cause it to get on the summary statistics that are published - I dont think that it has any bearing on its official acceptance however ... /J\
Re: perlcert list?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Is it me or is the perlcert list dead? I've not seen any messages for days and one I tried now just vanished? Er no. You appear to have sent thed message from an account that is not subscribed. I have approved the message now, I was a little busy yesterday. /J\
Re: kudos to j.stowe
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: Or very own J.Stowe makes alt.humor.best-of-usenet ( i must say getting sent to ahbou is one of my remaining goals in life, but it might be hampered by not posting to usenet ) If you search for comp.lang.perl.misc in Google Usenet Search (nee Daja News ) you will find literally hundreds of them from that source. /J\
Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, you wrote: I just saw this ... http://www.jenerator.org/images/jh1.gif and thought it was the coolest letter head i had seen, have you seen a better one? yeah yeah yeah .. never mind that .. I think the content of the letter was more disturbing. I mean I always thought Kermit was a Nice Guy(tm) .. but it looks like he got his Land Sharks to write to someone threatening all sorts of heavy legal stuff just for registering the domain muppetfucker.net .. damm I wish I had thought of that one :) You havent seen the Bert Ernie stuff on the interweb then :) /J\
Re: re-release of autodial
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: the new version of autodial - codenamed DiaKiller, is available at http://droogs.org/autodial/ it no longer kills dia, in fact it works quite well with a few caveats - it is much easier to test with Dia, rather than parsing the xml in my head. :) Hey but I filed a bug report on Dia anyhow as it really shouldnt do that whatever it is you feed it :) /J\
Linux::Svgalib
A couple of people have made interested noises about this - I have uploaded an alpha version to CPAN (dont be misled by the version number) if you want to have alook its at : http://cpan.valueclick.com/modules/by-authors/id/J/JS/JSTOWE/Linux-Svgalib-1.2.t ar.gz I wouldnt suggest running on your most popular server though ... /J\
Re: Dia diagrams from your perl!
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: and it can be found at http://droogs.org/autodial/ The download link is b0rked though /J\
Re: Torvalds not impressed with OS X
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Chris Devers wrote: At 08:22 AM 9.4.2001 +, Robin Szemeti wrote: personally the ultimate task of any minimise/restore function should be to get a window on or off the dispaly as fast as possible ... slowly attempting some graphical wizardry whilst chewing up CPU resources its not one of the things I lust after .. but YMMV :) Alternate genie effects [for OSX] The "genie effect" is what happens when you click the yellow "minimize" button. You'll see your window get sucked down into the dock, as though it were being drawn into a funnel. While quite cool the first few times, some people (me!) have found it a little annoying after a while. Those with slower machines may also find it something of a CPU hog. Luckily, Apple included a way to change the genie effect, but chose not to put it into a GUI tool at this time. I'm sure someone will have one written within a week, but for now, here's how you do it. Open a terminal session (the Terminal application is inside Applications/Utilities), and type one of the following: defaults write com.apple.Dock mineffect genie Java !!? /J\
Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train
irda0 Link encap:IrLAP HWaddr 91:0c:fc:ed inet addr:10.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP RUNNING NOARP MTU:2048 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:259 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:8 Who needs wavelan :) /J\
Re: Test from uuencode boy
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: test. can you read this one, or is it attached? This is in Microsoft Outlook Rich Text. The previous mails have been sent in Plain Text. Sort of - pine seems to prefer the disclaimer over the body of the message as an alternative part but I have just installed it and the configuration may be shagged ... /J\
print unpack 'u*' (was RE: )
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
begin 777 RE:
M65S(AE(1I9"P@=6YF;W)T=6YA=5L2!I('=AVXG="!H97)E(9OB!I
M="X@($D@:5R96)Y(-E87-E(9R;VT@"G1A;MI;F@=\@6]U(QO="!U
'fix my outlook' Hmm. There is a very good DEL command that comes
with Winders ISTR. You will probably be wanting to install PC-Pine
or something similar ...
/J\
Language (was Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat))
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever /usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true. I'm afraid that's as silly as me declaring that there's only one correct parsing of English, and that's how *I* parse it. No it's not that silly ;-) Maybe it's on the same level of silliness as the concept of 'the Queen's English' (the idea being that the Queen 'owns' WHEN that Aprilis, with his showers swoot, The drought of March hath pierced to the root, And bathed every vein in such licour, Of which virtue engender'd is the flower; When Zephyrus eke with his swoote breath Inspired hath in every holt and heath The tender croppes and the younge sun Hath in the Ram his halfe course y-run, And smalle fowles make melody, That sleepen all the night with open eye, (So pricketh them nature in their corages); Then longe folk to go on pilgrimages, And palmers for to seeke strange strands, To ferne hallows couth in sundry lands; And specially, from every shire's end Of Engleland, to Canterbury they wend, The holy blissful Martyr for to seek, That them hath holpen, when that they were sick. /J\
Re: Test
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote: * at 04/04 15:58 +0100 Robin Houston said: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:09:02PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: [...] the HTML hanger on serves no purpose except to consume my disk space at 4 times the rate. You mean you *archive* this bollocks? doesn't eveyone archive all their mail? *some* of it *might* be useful at some point. and it's not like disk space is at a premium these days Er, yes I believe I have on sundry 'pooteys around here the entire life history of London.pm /J\
Re: Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: Who needs wavelan :) people who want to type with more than one hand (the other one will be holding the machine steady so its port doesn't go out of line with the other port) So its no good for surfing for pr0n then :) Alternatively could one alter the hardware to have a wider spread on the interface by frigging with the lens on the IR port ? ANyone else who might be at the AAnchor tomorrow got IrLan working on their Lappies ? /J\
Re: Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ANyone else who might be at the AAnchor tomorrow got IrLan working on their Lappies ? the right answer is no - trust me Wuss :) /J\
Re:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:23PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Clarke, Darren wrote: It appears I have been remiss with the HTML/text thing - I can only blame Outlook for this since I have set it to text but didn't check the 'format switch' on each mail. I blame MSexChange instead. At least for our setup. And because Outlook *used* to send out plain text emails as plain text just fine, until someone fiddled with the MSexChange configuration. Then don't use it. "The company makes me do it" is not an acceptable excuse. People who wish to test their mail client should do so elsewhere. In the, er, style of the Harry Enfields characters : Calm Down, Calm Down waves hand horizontally I will e-mail the offenders a copy of PC-Pine in the morning :) /J\
Re: Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ANyone else who might be at the AAnchor tomorrow got IrLan working on their Lappies ? the right answer is no - trust me Wuss :) no i've been wondering where you find TB's of storage you use to store every mailing list in existence, now i know bait besides you won't turn up anyway, you always say your gonna and then you just shy away, scared of having to drink with some british perl mongers as opposed to some poor yanks in the ica bar who can't drink ;-) ;-) ;-) /bait /me rolls up my drinking sleeves :) I f**king will you freak troll /me smocches greggy /J\
Re: Mail archiving scripts?
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Neil Ford wrote:
Following on from recent topics, can anyone point me at any scripts to help
with breaking up mailbox files?
Mr Barr's mailtools have all the gubbins required - available from your
local CPAN :)
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use Mail::Util qw(read_mbox);
use Mail::Internet;
use Mail::Header;
my $mess_list = read_mbox('/var/spool/mail/gellyfish') || die "Aieee\n";
foreach my $message (@{$mess_list} )
{
my $mail = Mail::Internet-new($message);
my $head = $mail-head; # A Mail::Header;
print "Mail from : ",$head-get('From'),
" Subject : ", $head-get('Subject'),"\n";
foreach my $body_line (@{$mail-body})
{
print $body_line;
}
}
For instance ...
/J\
True Scientology Story (was Re: More Scientology stuff, ignore ifyou are not interested was Re: archiving)
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 13:56 So, should we start baiting Scientologists through the archive? Where do I start? * L Ron Hubbard is on record as saying the best way to make money is to start a religion. A few years later he founded the church of scientology. as in CoS "People should be free to believe whatever they want, including Scientology. What I have against CoS is its deceitfulness, its lack of compassion for its members (especially the hard-working staff), its aggressive hard sell, its arrogance, its attack on free speech, its litigiousness, its harassment of its critics, its lack of concern for families, its gross neglect and abuse of children, etc. " from http://www.xenu.net/cb-faq.html you can also help out at http://www.xenu.net/support.html Is that the sort of thing you wanted? exactly dave, it makes me feel that the archive have some use! I have one Scientology story - A couple of years ago I was in East Grinstead hospital (thing 'Guinea Pig Club') while they were trying to fix the little finger on my right hand ( they failed but thats another story ). There was this nice Maori guy in the bed next to me out of his head on pain-killers as he had third degree burns on his arms. Anyhow it transpired that he was part of a Maori dancing troupe that was doing some cultural tour at the behest of the Church of Scientology whose european headquarters happen to be in East Grinstead. The second day I was in the hospital I was beginning to get a little pissed off as you do and this party of bloody Scientology Auditors came along and started doing their thing with this geezer with only the merest of hospital screens around - I dont think that they get out the old baked bean can and avometer device ( Oooh sorry E-Meter ) but you can never be too sure - and this started going on for seeming hours and I was that bored that I had started reading Bjarne Stroustrup' book again. I'm not going to bore you with the details of wahat the prats were going o about but needless to say it could be deduced from Hubbards earlier writings and the basic milieu of cod spychology of the early sixties ... I complained to the staff and they said it pissed them off too but they got a lot of them in being the HQ and everything and they couldnt do much about it /J\
Re: Crazy Idea
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a camp fire, drinking and talking. Why the hell not. The farm which I believe Greg has in mind (www.middlefarm.com) also sells mead. Yum! Ah, Middle Farm . this sounds like an idea - and its in the same county as me :) /J\
The Open Constitution Project (was Re: Crazy Idea)
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, AEF wrote: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Mison wrote: http://www.openbritain.gov.uk/ Kewl. Is it GPL? OK. SO we persuade Mr Horne to blag us electronic copies of the entire UK law, upload it to the CVS server on SourceForge and then announce the project on slashdot I'm not entirely sure the GPL is adequate for licensing a Constitution but who knows :) /J\
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Martin Ling wrote: Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time and no-one told me? YOu havent been around here very long have you :) /J\
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner. It's a fair point. But do Learning Tree have a good reputation in the marketplace? I'm not sure they do. I categorically refused yesterday to allow any of out people to be sent on a Learning Tree Perl course ... /J\
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when the forum was established would give them slightly less clout. Absolutely right. To bring Learning Tree (or any other Commercial Training House ) would mean we would prbably be compelled to go along with what they already teach - which may or may not be any good as far as we are concerned - after all they have a whole bunch invested in training materials and existing trainers which they are not going to give up easily ... Possibly a first step would be to work out how to certify the certifiers as it were ... /J\
Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate. I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be that it parses approximate Perl. Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it to work' redundant ? Crack Head. /J\
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish... He heh Look what they say I got : Total Tests Completed 41233 Your Rank (1 = top) 40653 Your Percentile (99 = top): 1 Ah - See, you have to put in the score /J\
Re: CPAN Logo
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: when did CPAN get a funky new logo ... http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg H /J\
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton 4.46 Maurice Buxton Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well. Me four. Although they seem to have lost my score. I have a nice shiny certificate though ... Nick say's he has a nice shiny certificate as well - I have one 'Saying Certified Perl Master' but they appear to have lost my score - it was about tow years ago I took the test I took the free Korn Shell one and got 3.85 just before lunch which was pretty impressive as I was beginning to get impatient after about 15 out of 40 questions. /J\
Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:07:28AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate. I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be that it parses approximate Perl. Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it to work' redundant ? The canonical phrasing (mjd in his guise as RETARDO): YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE SHIT UP AND EXPECT THE COMPUTER TO MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN! Yeah, thats what I meant. Cheers Dave. /J\
Re: yapc::Europe::19101?
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote: I'll try the yapc-europe list and see what happens. The rest, as they say, is history :) /J\
Re: JOB: Symbian
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Anyone interested in this should contact Dave Jobling directly on [EMAIL PROTECTED] And you'll get to work just a couple of yards from me! 'nuff said . /J\
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of things. Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that. My favourite solution in business when you are faced with the problem of people not wanting you to implement something or not being sure about it and wanting a period of consideration is as follows ... fuck it, just do it (who says i couldn't work for nike) I'd suggest that it is a reasonable working assumption that both NetThink, Iterative and other Perl Consultancies/Trainers want to make money. I'd also state the assumption that if proposed to the wider Perl community - Perl certification would go back into argument state, so I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will sign up to teach to a given level of skills (or several levels). This process _has_ to be open and should have a deadline. If we can get something that helps london / south england and/or the UK then we can achieve something. I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo forum/organisation does this) I realise this action and the attitude may not be popular on the wider stage, but ho hum. Thoughts? If Simon (NetThink), Piers/Leon (Iterative), Dave Cross (with his london.pm hat on) and a couple of companies that use Perl say this is a good idea, i think we can do this. Strangely I was talking wiv da boss this morning about the training issues wrt perl in our department ... I might find myself doing some training in the near future . :) /J\
Re: Social Meeting (fwd)
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:04:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Hush now brother, contain thy enthusiasm, others are still not ready for the way of the heretic. We must consider them - they are the sheep that may prefer their 2 half pints of lager shandy in PO, and!, and if they are exposed to the intense mixture of heavy drinking and rapant flames that is heresy, their minds may be weakened to such a state that python seems like a `nifty' idea to them. I should confess that I recently installed python on one of my boxen. Excuse: something else needed it. However, I'd like to take a look at it sometime. Same goes for Ruby. More things for the to-do queue. gellyfish@orpheus gellyfish]$ python -v snip Python 1.5.2 (#1, Aug 25 2000, 09:33:37) [GCC 2.96 2731 (experimental)] on linux-i386 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam ... Couldnt help it /J\
