Re: old pictures

2001-06-03 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 
 just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe
 and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon,
 
   http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG
 

Toilet seats don't make as good props as skateboards - we need to somehow
smuggle an inflatable dinghy into a pub.

A.


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I'm orff

2001-06-03 Thread Aaron Trevena


as some of you might already know I'm orff to the west country. I plan to
move to bradford-on-avon this week.

so i'll unsub for a couple of weeks and see you next time i come back.

thanks for all the good times and stuff,

A.

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Re: bad greg

2001-05-31 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Ball wrote:

 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives
  of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain
  name registry with a neat web based management system for handling
  the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the
  url?
 
 123-reg.co.uk is my favourite at the moment..
 

I found gandi.net to be the nicest for TLDs, most of my IRL friends use
them.

A.

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Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)

2001-05-31 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Leo Lapworth wrote:

 You might want to check out:
 
 Arron's Autodia - http://autodia.cuckoo.org/
 
 It's not quite at the stage I think you are after
 but I've lost track of what it can and can't do.
 Last I heard they were putting it up to be
 an candidate in the elections (actually, it's probably
 more intelligent than one of them!).
 
 Though the DB stuff might have been a conversation
 about GraphViz.. woo.. so many choices :)
 

hmm... SQL to Dia. Shouldn't be too hard to add the only issue would be
which shapes to use, I've never drawn a database scheme in Dia - anybody
care to reccomend some shapes and how they shoudl map to stuff - then I'll
code some DB handling magic into autodia.

btw - the current version of autodia (0.9) now handles c++ (if its very
simple) and perl (extracts *most* info) and has lots of lovelly commad
line options.

A.


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Python beats perl to dia plugin..

2001-05-16 Thread Aaron Trevena


*grump*

There is a python plugin to Gnome Dia allowing you to write scripts for
dia. I don't know if it is like GIMPS scripting or more of a macro type
thing but its a little disapointing there isn't a perl one.

Dia 0.88 has an experiemental pyhton plugin capability. I would be
interested in finding out hpw hard it would be to do the equivilent for
perl - a la The Gimp. Anyone know much about how the GIMP script -fu stuff
works on the inside, or shall I hunt through the gimp dev list which I
have a feeling could be mentally scarring.

A.

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Re: re-release of autodial

2001-04-16 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 02:03:59PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 
  Q: Why is AutoDIAL so rubbish.
  A: Because Trelane told me to 'just release it' although blame is
  automatically deferred to Muttley because everything is his fault.
  
  HEY!
 
 Actually I think it was me who told him to "release early, release often".
 But he's right, it is muttley's fault.

yes but trelane told me to just release it, but then i was drunk and it
seemed like a good idea at the time, m'lord.

A. 

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re-release of autodial

2001-04-12 Thread Aaron Trevena


the new version of autodial  - codenamed  DiaKiller,

is available at http://droogs.org/autodial/

it no longer kills dia, in fact it works quite well with a few caveats -
it is much easier to test with Dia, rather than parsing the xml in my
head. :)

A.

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Re: Disclaimer

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

 A lot of you write and distribute free perl code. What do you do about
 copyright and disclaimers in the code itself. I've had a look at a few
 examples and it seems you don't really bother.
 
 I think it is probably worth doing, and we will need one for the
 NotMattsScripts project, so does anyone have a good concise copyright and
 disclaimer notice for free Perl code? I've googled around and can't find
 anything I like.

The simplist would be 
# Name - brief description. (c) Copyright 2001 A Nother #
# This is free software available under the same license as perl itself 
# This sofwate comes with NO WARRANTY. For more information see URL or
FILE.

The NO WARRANTY bit is fairly important, as is specifiying uunder what
license it is made availab.e - common are Public Doman (not teh default,
default is all rights reserved), BSD  artistic license (fairly
similar) and the GNU GPL and LGPL.

I habitually use the GPL, I have only recently realised how much of a pig
it can be to keep a derived work compliant. It will now take as long to
audit the changes made to mny derived work of mwforum as it did to do some
of the debugging. This is a good thing and a bad thing - It does mean you
keep more control over your work, but at the same time it means that there
is little reward for doing a major piece of work on somebody elses code,
even if you replace 99% of it, its still entirely their copyright and not
yours, so you essentially hand over your moral rights to waht you have
done.

I could be wrong of course - buit that is how it seems.

A.

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Dia diagrams from your perl!

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena


I have uploaded AutoDIAL to my site where it can now be downloaed. 

It creates UML class diagrams showing relationshiops, methods, attributes,
etc for a bunch of scripts/modules and lays them out ready for autodial to
use, although I think the relationship line plotting is a little
broken.

It requires template toolkit and perl base, it doesn't need dia. It might
not work on windows.

Hopefully it should be easy to modify to handle other languages such as C,
or python, or god forbid, Java.

and it can be found at http://droogs.org/autodial/

yeay!

A.

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Re: Dia diagrams from your perl!

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

 On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
 
  and it can be found at http://droogs.org/autodial/
 
 The download link is b0rked though 
 

fixed

A.

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RE: Disclaimer

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:

 On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 [broken quoting snipped]
  You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright
  message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your
  point 2.
 
 The GPL doesn't stop you selling the derived work. What it *does* do,
 however is to say that the derived work must be under a GPL-compatible
 license, which makes it, in general, uneconomical to sell the work.

The common mis-perception about the GPL is that you can't sell or profit
from selling GPL software.

You can sell at any price you like, the software with or without nice
pakcaging and manuals, you can sell the support at any price you like and
you can sell the manuals at any price you like. All you have to do is
publish it under the GPL and make the source available at cost price or
reasonabley close.

A.

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pix of legend?

2001-04-01 Thread Aaron Trevena


do we still have the pictures from the night of award winning drunkeness?

I'sd d certainly be interested at having another look.

Also the website has a few gaps picture wise.. did nobody bring a camera
on that many times?

btw the trophy cabinet will get done once I have a job again.

A.

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Re: from ntk

2001-03-30 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote:

 RANDAL SCHWARTZ slams London.pm's "Perl is my bitch"
 T-Shirt - odd, considering:
 http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot/ ... 

thats a bit slow for ntk or is squackers lagging behind (void) where all
the action happened yonks ago.

A.

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Re: from ntk

2001-03-30 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Leon Brocard wrote:

 Aaron Trevena sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  thats a bit slow for ntk
 
 Indeed. Thankfully I've removed all pimb talk from my mail
 archives. Ten months is pretty slow for meme transfer. I declare NTK
 too slow and hence dead. What's next? ;-)


I think the jamie olover link has saved them - it is mighty fine.

oh the confectionary is rather worth keeping.

A.

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Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
   
   Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
   proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
  
  What does it do?
 
 It, er... parses Perl.

ooh! I though only perl parsed perl.. how exactly does it parse perl... no
its okay I'll look at the pod.. /me cpan's.

A.

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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote:

 
 easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than
 convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think
 there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl
 consultancies.  once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to
 afford and retain uber perl hackers) people start wanting to hear the
 corporate technology buzzwords - j2ee, open market, bea, sap, siebel etc

This does appear to be true, mind you many companies are recruiting perl
developers for themselves. This is healthy. I think a lot of companies see
j2ee, weblogic, etc as 'safe' despite quite catastrophic failures and the
high cost (the price of a consultant or contractor for any of these buzz
technologies is 2 or 3 times the price for less trendy technologies).

I think java is likely to be associated with a load of spectacular
failures. I don't think any project has failed because of cost or flaws in
perl, and major companies are migrating towards perl and oss in
general. many vendors like weblogic are claiming sites liek amazon use
technology when they have migrated to perl.

perhaps its time to beat these vendors at their own game with a list of
their clients who have migrated.
 
A.


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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a
  solution for things it clearly isn't right for.
  
 
 out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for
 inappropriate problem sapces)? 

Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for
e-commerce, plain and simple.

Accounting, some business processes map well to java but not all and
certainly not anything involving parsing and suchlike of any kind.

I don't think java is suitable for client/server systems either - having
both written and used java client/server apps, the networking classes in
1.2 and 1.3 suck badly and make the code long, slow and unclear.

A.

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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
  I concur.  There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
  Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. 
  
  I just couldn't do half of what I do without regexes
 
 Since excellent regex libraries are freely available, this
 is akin to claiming that Perl is useless for writing HTTP
 clients because LWP isn't in the core ;-)

any regex that requires 8 lines to do what perl does in 1 is hardly
excellent.

A.

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

2001-03-23 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:45:54PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
  
  And finally, it appears that Schwern, Michael is an Alien Drag Queen:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03105.html
  http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103645
  
 
 Excellent, Trevor McDonald style "And finally" wrap-up to the news!
 

I think you will find that John Craven (of whom I have asigned
photo) started that idea. so nerr!

A.

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Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
  On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
   Then they deserve to be hurt.  Really.  We can't possibly support
   dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no wish to do so.  If someone is
   scared by a .tar.gz extension then they have no business installing
   software.  Even if just for their own use.
  
  I thought one of the goals of this project was to support "dribbling
  idiots"?
 
 Idiots maybe, but not those who are sooo lacking in necessary skills that
 they are scared by gzipped tarballs.  Don't forget, these morons are
 going to have to know how to get the files to their server, do the
 appropriate chmodding, tweak config variables in the script - if you're
 clueless enough to be scared off by .tar.gz then you're guaranteed to
 fail anyway.

I don't know - maybe in your inexperience you have a windowsy perl book
(there are some out there) or a poor cgi book to work from that never
mentions tgz or .tar.gz - its an additional obstacle - they'd only go an
use MSA.

A.

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Re: wasn't someone looking for some diagramming - SQL stuff recently?

2001-03-18 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

 On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote:
 
  http://freshmeat.net/projects/dia2sql/
 
 I was looking for some tools to create diagrams with but Ooooh! Anyhow,
 now all we need is a GraphViz to dia tool ;-).  Which reminds me, how's
 things going with your Perl-UML Aaron?

Ah!

It is going rather well - I've just cme back from my holiday in stratford
upon avon and should have a nice OO perl module working by midweek, then I
will get back to work on what i was working on before I got sidetracked
(I have an excuse)..

My TT'd mwforum is stalled atm due to a sudden realisation that repeating
the dull but quite hairy job of replacing all the intermangled html/sql in
mwforum needs to be repeated several more times before I would dare show
it to anybody, other than mstevens who hopefully will receive a less
godawful version before he looks at the current hack I mailed him.

A.

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Re: Strange Request

2001-03-13 Thread Aaron Trevena


### warning - creature feep ###

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
  
  this question defines the archive of scripts a little. is the
  collection of scripts specifically aimed at the lowest commond
  denominator and tackling the MW problem directly, or is that
  just its core mission, and other scripts are welcome.
 
 I don't think we actually need to lower to teh lowest common denominator -
 by applying the ROPE idea it should be possible to provide some easy
 bundles with their own namespace that the user can just unzip and ftp to
 their own local_modules/rope.
 
 If you provide scripts that work with perl5.x base but also provide
 scripts that use rope::lite, or rope::intermediate bundles the user will
 still be interested in using the bundle and we can encourage them to use
 modules and set them on the path to rightesusness.
 
 I think something like this would be the ultimate test of the ROPE
 concept.

Given that there will be idiot proof scripts replacing msa ones, these
will be limited greatly by not using modules, assuming a simple web based
layout you can hive nice icons saying that Script N is **ready to run**,
**requires rope::lite**, **requires rope::intermediate**, **requires quite
a lot**, **requires apache**, **requires a little know how**, etc.

A.


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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

2001-03-12 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:10 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.oreillynet.com/
  
  DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!
  
  With a photo as well no less.
 
 Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
 meeting. http://london.pm.org/MeetPics3.html
 
  Well done DJ.
 
 Seconded.

suggestion for website:

How about a page of our acheivments? 

ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats?

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

2001-03-12 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dean wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:39:43AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
  suggestion for website:
  
  How about a page of our acheivments? 
  
  ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats?
 
 If you were going to do this shouldn't they just go under the member pages on 
london.pm.org?
 

could do - but I like the idea of a trophy cabinet type thing.. people can
be proud to have added something to the london.pm trophy cabinet.

A.

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Re: Graphical Documentation

2001-03-06 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

 On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
 
   1. Thingys showing SQL tables.
  
  Have a look at http://www.codewerk.com. On the projects page, download
  GraphViz::DBI and dbigraph.pl. See the sample database table graph linked
  from that page. I'm working on making it more flexible and pretty.
 
 Oooh, ahhh.  Looks really nice.  Now the only problem with this is
 that it requires me to actually have created the database.  We're not at
 this stage yet (though I will see if I can knock up a diagram of our
 current old database schema so we can have some reference.)

Gnome Dia has been quite good for designed classes and database
tables. Also worth a look is gnome-db which provides a nice UI to the
database. Only problem is that there doesn't appear to be anything that
offers Visio's reverse engineer database option.

I am looking for some dia scripts to generate dia xml from perl classes or
databases thru dbi/odbc. I might have to write an xml generator by reusing
code from GraphViz::DBI or just from scratch. Anyone else been working on
something like that before I start?
 
 Oh, there seems to be something odd with that server set up.  Because
 my copy of Gnome-Terminal does url catching I can Ctrl-Click on any url
 and it pops up in netscape.  However, being a good url catcher it matches
 the '.' at the end of the url (as it should do.)  Now this is really odd,
 as 'http://www.codewerk.com./' does not show the same thing as 
 'http://www.codewerk.com/' (which it should do as
 'www.codewerk.com.profero.com' or 'www.codewerk.com.loc0.profero.com'
 doesn't exist on our network.) This is most odd.  I've tried it from other
 locations (via the wonders of ssh tunnelling) and I get the same thing.

I had that problem - try http:://www.codewerk.com/projects.html 

A.

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Re: good job there weren't any base belongs to us t-shirts printed

2001-03-01 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote:

 Might have ended up like the last programme here
 
 (not for the easily offended)
 
 http://www.tvgohome.com/


cafepress have some aybabtu tees. There is a nice page of reworked
cartoons and images with aybabtu worked in. Also totl.net has an aybabtu
style whelk in its whelk page.

A. 

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Re: Amazon (was: RE: DMP Availability)

2001-02-22 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Since I gave up Amazon, I've found myself going into bookshops more.
 Browsing in a bookshop is still _by far_ the best way to buy books.

AOL
 
 And I end up buying more books. Because for each book that I got into the
 shop looking for, I find another two that seem really interesting. Amazon's
 "readers who bought this book..." feature really doesn't achieve the same
 thing.

/me spent 100 quid on books last weekend in skoob books, PC bookshop and
Books etc (walked from goswell road to charing cross street where I spent
another 30 quid on prints and postcard prints, via holborn - quite
pleseant walk as the city and its outskirts are nice and quiet at the
weekend).

A.

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Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena


Following the general feelings of the professional perl mongers on the
list towards certain authors and script archives, I thought the perl
mongers could build their own script recipebook on the net and provide
secure but clear and simple and well explained example and instant cgi
scripts as an alternative to Matt and other resources.

Given that there are quite a few scripts out there, we could concentrate
on having secure, well written and explain perl for key tasks like -
search engine, forum, shopping cart and checkout (alternatives for mason,
tt, etc).

This would be something good to point beginners at - particularly if ORA
give it some support.

A.

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Re: Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 
 the best way to get this started, is simply to do it and then
 others will lend in their support, just put up a webpage
 with the first few candidates and let others comment

That would make the large assumption that my perl is a good example. I
hope that DragonForum (soon to be released, watch this space) will make a
good alternative to wwwthreads and ubbs, but although it is now cleaner
and template based it isn't really an example of good perl.

Ditto the search engine based on the DDJ one. Hopefully I can bring it up
to scratch as it is fairly simple.

Of course I could put them up with a disclaimer saying that they aren't
GOOD perl but are cleaner and easier to understand than most of the
scripts on the web.

A.

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Re: Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena

On 19 Feb 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  That would make the large assumption that my perl is a good example. I
  hope that DragonForum (soon to be released, watch this space) will make a
  good alternative to wwwthreads and ubbs, but although it is now cleaner
  and template based it isn't really an example of good perl.
 
 I'm using mwf, and someone hereabouts threatened to TTify it, I think.

yes - that were me.

It is a quiet horrid job. I am splitting the thing into 3 layers and the
templates. so far I have managed to greatly simplify things like
forum_show.pl and make it much cleaner by removing a lot of presentation
related code that really should be in the templates rather than embedded
in perl code.

It will take more work to make it a good example of code, in fact that may
not even be possible if I want to keep it compatible (which I do) so that
you can use the same DB and plugins.

I estimate it will take 3 more weeks before I can release it. (because I
have very little spare time at the mo).

A.

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Re: Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena

On 19 Feb 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  It is indeed, but this tends to require a fair amount of rewriting or be a
  horrible horrible kludge.
 
 Hmmm...there was one subroutine that did all the sandwich things...oh,
 no two. printHeader and printFooter. 

I done those. easy. but for it to work you want to be able to design the
table layouts and stuff otherwise you are stuck with a horrid mix of mw's
embedded html and templates.

A.

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Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Greg Cope wrote:

 Aaron Trevena wrote:
  
  On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
   No, there wasn't even something I could buy for it sadly. It's a simple
   CGI, I would have paid $15 for a quickie 'here's your simple cgi just plug
   in your variables here' code.
  
  Been there - more often than not, the cookbook fills any holes. I had a
  particular problem with web forums - slashcode being a bit OTT and
  wwwthreads cotsing money and then hundreds of PHP and java and asp forums,
  then I found mwforum and now I am rewriting it big time to get back into
  coding after sitting on my arse for weeks waiting for work or chasing
  people up or editing html. If anybody is interested I hope to have a TT'd
  version of mwforum on the web some time next week. After that I will
  totally hack it apart and rework it to fit my own twisted needs.
 
 
 Are you going to send the patches back to the authors ?

Patches? they are big - essentially you replace most of most of the files
- not really worth patching. However yes it will be released and all
orginal copyright notices are left intact and whenever I think appropriate
I point out that it is derived from mwforum. and that all mwforum bits are
copyright mw although to be honest I don't think a single line of the
original will remain.

I plan to 'do the right thing' and email mw before I post it anywhere so
that I'm not stepping on his toes - I point out in the documenentaion how
much I learnt from his work and stuff and that it works very well for what
he designed it to do. Hopefully he will like it, that would make me very
happy.

A.

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Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:21:57AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
 
  :) I think you are missing my point here. The plumber who is skilled in a
  trade probably thinks you are an idiot when you manage to mangle your own
  pipes and have to call him to fix it for you. 
 
 However, I don't question the plumber's competence, or indeed pretend to
 anyone including myself that I can do a good job of it.  The same should
 apply to programming.  If I were to try my hand at re-plumbing my kitchen,
 I know I'd make a god-awful mess, and I am intelligent enough to not
 attempt it.  The great unwashed should approach programming the same way.

My old mans a catering lecture and pub landlord but just  did all teh
electrics and plumbing in the gutted cottage he bought in redruth in
conrwall. He did so well that the gasman was surprised with the negligable
drop in pressure when he tested.

Now he is going to learn dreamweaver and I talked him into learning perl
instead of java - because it would suit what he wants to do (mostly matts
script kind of stuff) and pointed him at ora. I wish more people are like
that, rather than people who believe that because they can write a word
macro they are a programmer.

I have been training at kung fu for 6 months and I still am not ready to
take the first grading, I know I'm not good at it yet but I also know that
I have a good instructor and that I can and will be good at it and I'll
get it right, not just learn a couple of 10 minute self defense class
rubbish.

bah! This is more (void) than (void) 

A. 

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Re: Bad programming considered harmless

2001-02-02 Thread Aaron Trevena


 There is nothing wrong with bad programming. Sure, don't pay for it, sure
 don't use it for anything important or anything that will affect other
 people's lives. But lots of people get satisfaction and reward from making
 bad programs, just like they get satisfaction from singing badly in the
 shower, doing some bad gardening on a Sunday, and putting up a set of wonky
 shelves. Let's have more people programming badly!

That is beautiful. I may have to put it somewhere on a page and let the
meme spread freely..
 
 Expertism is a dangerous trend. A little knowledge is _not_ a dangerous
 thing. The only dangerous thing is not knowing the _extent_ of your (little)
 knowledge.

Definately.

A.

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Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
 No, there wasn't even something I could buy for it sadly. It's a simple
 CGI, I would have paid $15 for a quickie 'here's your simple cgi just plug
 in your variables here' code. 

Been there - more often than not, the cookbook fills any holes. I had a
particular problem with web forums - slashcode being a bit OTT and
wwwthreads cotsing money and then hundreds of PHP and java and asp forums,
then I found mwforum and now I am rewriting it big time to get back into
coding after sitting on my arse for weeks waiting for work or chasing
people up or editing html. If anybody is interested I hope to have a TT'd
version of mwforum on the web some time next week. After that I will
totally hack it apart and rework it to fit my own twisted needs.
 
 If I wanted Java or PHP however, I could take my pick or reasonably
 quickly useful stuff. I didn't have the same results for Perl it is just
 not out there or my standards are too high and I was looking in the wrong
 place.

A lot of programming is knowing where to look, If I hadn't been given a
good lowdown on where to get decent Notes information I would have spent
months getting anywhere but I was given the course notes for a notes
course, a stack of Notes Magazines and a list of urls. Also bought myself
the SAMs book on Notes Unleashed.

I told my old man he'd learn pretty much all he needed to know from
learning perl and perl  cgi by ORA. Its much better than wasting tiem
learning java or getting muddled with loads of crappy shareware or budget
perl software.

A.

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Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 (update on the OScon in Europe thing--London in August seems to be
 a bad idea, so we're looking elsewhere and elsewhen ...)

In case anybody is interested the Devon  Cornwall LUG will be helping
organise a S/West UK OSS Conference for local businesses and
academia. Anybody interested should contact myself and cc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to join the discussion.

We are also taking part in the linuxday nationwide installfest and if
anybody is in the area they are more than welcome to come and join in
(same contact details as above)

rgds,

A.

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Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena

On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 I know some people here had some experience with wwwthreads, but are
 there any alternatives?
 
 No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. 
 
With a little work wmforum is quite nice (easy enough to understand and
therefore make more modular and port to templatetoolkit) also its GPL so
you can fork it into something decent and release/use how you like. If you
have used forum software before its pretty easy to bang a decent ofrum out
of it.

slashcode and kuro5hins code are fairly heavy and un-necessary (also
wmforu works fine with mod_perl).

http://www.mawic.de/mwforum/


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Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena

On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. 
go on dave, it cant be that hard 
   
   Having done it a few times, it *isn't* that hard...
  
  I'm playing with mwforum right now. Seems OK.
 
 Aside from all the inline HTML.
 
 ARGH! When will people learn!

I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work
at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home).

A.

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Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena

On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work
  at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home).
 
 Don't you hate it when that happens?
 
 I've managed to hack in the requisite headers and footers (a
 containing, constraining table) so I'm in business.

Don't spose you could bang it on line once you've done a bit so I don't
have to reapeat both of our work?

A. 

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Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 
 As for working at home, i believe the optimal week is mon,tue in
 the office, wednesday at home, thu,fri in the office. YMMV
 
 however - if you were building a company their are other concerns
 beyond productivity, the establishment of a team/company spirit
 and bonding for instance. also the discussion of strategy on
 non-IT matters in the company, building a company as has been
 discussed requires buy in to issues beyond perl hacking.

I don't see why you can't have a mix - it would be good to have a core
group of people who always (nearl) work in the office so that if you
usually work from home but need some face 2 face there will be people
there (or in a pub nearby). things like IRC and email provide good
communication about what is going on and can be used to acounce when and
where people are.

If you know what proportion of home/office people you have you can design
the office accordingly. For instance I quite simply do not aarive at work
before 10 am due to th physical impossibility of moving from a to b in
west london between 7 and 9 am.

Other important factors are eating your own dogfood - ie not only use our
own software but analys the needs of your own organisation and keep your
house in order - it gets you into a better habit and methodology - things
like document management, documentation, online admin, internet and stuff
most of which can be reused for clients, and keeping the work interesting
productivity is highest if the work is interesting - always make sure you
have enough people and time to develop more than you firefight - this
means your develop better software as you have more resources and aren't
sick of the project and you have to firefight less and less avoiding the
vicious circles that many companies fall into of firefighting all the time
and losing morale and inetrst and producing shit code which needs more
firefighting.

A.


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Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-20 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote:
 How did you establish who would make good pairings? Was it done by
 trying to place two equals or was it done more on a mentoring level of
 a very experienced coder and a less experienced one? (I've not read
 that much on XP)

We both were fairly experienced but from different backgrounds and I just
happened to be waiting for stuff to come thru on the project I was working
on and leo reckoned we should work on some stuff together, I think it
helped. From that I'd guess that pair programming can definately work.
 
A.

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Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market
  right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy. 
 
 Sounds good to me. Anyone else up for it?

I would join but I appear to be jinxed at the moment. so it would be
unfair on the rest ;)

A.

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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena

 
 On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
 office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
 by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that 
 there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.

I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous
substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is
probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although
hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still.

A.

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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:25:26PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
  
  ingestion has several downsides - lack of control of dosage (assuming you
  eat it at a significant lump at a time), longer effects, stronger
  effects (making it hard to get dosage right) and also slow absorbtion.
 
 Though all of those could be advantages too :-)

yes - perfect for that ozrics or hawkwind gig. 

A.

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Re: Speaking Japanese (Re: Access Control Lists and Functions)

2001-01-16 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 Dave Cross wrote:
  
  The language spoken by the droogs in 'A Clockwork Orange'.
 
 Isn't it a pidgin mix of Russian and English?

It is a mix of schoolboy slang (from soem school that Burgess went to, cos
I sure didn't speak like that at school, probably one of those public
shcools or summit), ryhming slang (not cockney), misc slang from all over
the place, malay  malay slang, olde english and pidgin russian.

see (the horribly laid out and currently being
redesigned) http://droogs.org/lit/ for some interesting links on ACO,
Nadsat and Artificial languages.

A.
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Re: Kung Foo and PIMB

2001-01-14 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
 On the back
 
  use Wutan::Style;
 

This reminds me of the conversation Case, norm  I had after crouching
tiger.. we came to the conclusion that "no, neo, you **don't** know kung
fu.".

A.

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Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena


Following  the interest in rope/pope, etc perhaps it would be an idea for
some of the more perl / oss oriented companies in london (or wherever) to
agree to take part in the project on a semi official basis - much of what
the work that the london and UK companies do is replicated because of lack
of comunications and worry over company secrets and competition.

If a handful of london companies can put together a press release saying
that they are supporting or backing the project with time, money, services
in lieu, etc then it would be a publicity coup and get the ball rolling.

A.

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Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 what about the actual mechanics of putting rope together? i'm assuming
 we'd create a /usr/local/Rope, build the latest stable perl in there,
 then configure apache for mod_perl etc and install it under there as 
 well, the the other modules.

A directory structure that is documented and standardised accross
platforms would make life a little easier.
 
 finally is it enough to simply tar.gz /usr/local/Rope and tag it
 with the architecture details

we need *secure* skeleton / sample applications (preferably configureed
during installation or optionally not installed rather than use out of the
box p/words and users like every CMS on the market ).

 we would probably need some final install program to be run, that
 would handle the local details of the system - such as what user
 to run apache as

Configuration. Decent configuration to cope with multiple virtual domains,
specifying paths ffor core handlers, etc.

Also good guide and documentation. So that A moderately good developer
(not necessarily perl) can get the package and get started without
spending 100 quid on ora books. (of course they ought to do that anyway
but they shouldn't need to).

A.

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Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:28:25PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
  lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh

that would rock.

also what would be very valuable would be the ability to install from one
config for a cluster or synchronise config changes (using a version
control system of course).

A.

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 Simon
 [who *lives* fro the 12 minute freebie of the Adult Channel at midnight]

Ah - Myself and a housemate once lived the 'free porn' episode of friends
- when we flicked thru he chennels and there was porn at 1am, I think we
got bored about 1:30am and from there flicked channels until we got sucked
into a painfully bad movie (apalling script, apalling dialogue) it was
truly awful (imagine red shoe diaries but much longer and without the
production script or acting quality)...

we a re both suckers for a bad film  we keep on telling ourselves it could
be realy good any minute now that really banal script will turn into a
beautifully crafted dialogue of wildesque prose but usually we are
bitterly disapointed. Beast of war was a pleasent surprise though.

A.

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irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Aaron Trevena


erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again.

I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now.

A.

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Re: new years eve

2001-01-02 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, David Cantrell wrote:

 DAV-U-CRO wrote:
 
  Twas me. But a) I'm already doing stuff tonight and b) as you point out, I 
  couldn't organise it at such sort notice.
 
 Yeah, and now that Greg's had to pull out as well it looks like it won't
 happen.  But let's sort out a date for some time in January.  Around the
 middle of the month.  How are Friday the 12th and/or 19th for people?

scuse the slow response but have been offline since dec 21st:

mid jan sound good for paranois sesh - haven't played it in a while. I
would offer to GM it but I'm not very good. Raining concrete slabs didn't
go down well nor did the slippery slimey slope of salamanders.

A.

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