Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Alex Page

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:

 I must have imagined London.pm.

Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!!

Alex
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Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:28:45PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? 

a) I can blag it as a training course with my boss
b) I can afford to take time off work
c) She can find a babysitter
d) We can afford to take her too

$answer = ( $a || $b )  $c  $d;

Alex
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 tubing, that's all you need.
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Re: Pubs - a serious investigation

2001-06-09 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:46:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:

 o The Doggetts Coat and Arms (by the river)

It has to be said, Doggetts is a fine, fine pub. Plenty of room,
not-too-loud music, nice beer... and fairly convenient for most people.

Alex
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Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic
 tubing, that's all you need.
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Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-07 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:46:39AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I presume that this is a permie thing?

 Yes. And I'd estimate that _most_ of you I know would be, um, a bit
 too heavyweight for them...

Heh, same that even a wonder-newbie like me has gainful employment
right now :-)

Alex
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 tubing, that's all you need.
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Re: Religion

2001-06-02 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

 What with this and Piers' earlier revelations  and the ever present
 Unixbeard I have this feeling that maybe we ought to get a Morris Side
 together for next years Jack in the Green festival in Hastings,

Heh, I haven't done Morrising for ages. Count me in!

Alex
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 tubing, that's all you need.
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Re: see attachment

2001-05-12 Thread Alex Page

On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 09:20:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 London.pm - the Movie! What a great idea! Can their be vampyres?
 They could represent the lifesucking programmers who religiously
 follow Booch methodology and use Java.

How about a movie set in a post-holocaustic London where the
surviving Perl Mongers are desperately trying to survive against
the hordes of radiation-addled Java Zombies, and locate the few
remaining stashes of beer and bandwidth?

Or some kind of bizzaro martial arts fest pitching the Heretics
against the True London.pm'ers (tm)...

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: see attachment

2001-05-11 Thread Alex Page

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:06:52PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 well i had 15 minutes to spare so i decided to do this ...

Right, so who's going to write a script that parses all of
the london.pm traffic and tells us what we need to drink?

Alex, what, *read* the bloody thing?
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Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:03:46AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

 Hmmm, would it be bad form to reminisce
 about all things Manc on a London.pm list?!

Given that I didn't learn perl until after I graduated, and Buffy
isn't Manc-specific, then probably :-)

Hazy tales of drunken nights in Jilly's drinking too much snakebite
and falling over while trying to dance to the Sisters of Mercy
probably won't interest most of london.pm

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:50PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

 On topic - how come all the decent jobs are dahn sarf?

Dunno. A lot of my coursemates ended up working for a Manchester-based IT
company (Lantara?) doing network admin and web coding, but the pay wasn't
great and I'd had a better offer from Nominet, hence my move to Oxfrod.

Another friend ended up working for Oldham council doing C++ coding on
contract, and seems fairly happy with his lot.

Maybe it's because everyone in Manchester and Oop North is a horrible
luddite who doesn't see the point of this new-fangled Interweb doofer...
or, like the lecturers at UMIST, don't see why you need any languages other
than FORTH, LISP and ADA... :-)

 Off topic - have you tried Gossips, Slimelight or the 'Leccy Ballroom?

Gossips: Depends on the night. Tenebrae (once a month IIRC, Fridays) is a
very good, well-populated goth night, more trad than anything else. Club
Noir (every thursday) is a darkwave / synthpop / EBM night with piss-poor
attendance and hence no atmoshphere. Malice (every? Tuesday) is another
tradgoth night with some great playlists. The club itself is nice, but the
bar is HELLISHLY expensive.

Slimelight: Been a member for the last 3 or 4 years. The club venue is good,
the music on the downstairs floor is OK, and the top venue is hard tecnho crap.
I basically go there to see my friends rather than for any other reason. Going
there tomorrow, actually - I'll be the one in black *g*

Electric Ballroom: Only ever been to their Full Tilt night (every Friday).
Far too much skate-punk, nu-metal and dance music for my liking, and the
atmosphere is a lot more on-edge and unfriendly than most of the clubs I
frequent. Still, if you're drunk enough not to care, then there's enough loose
women in tight PVC to make it worth attending...

Alex

ObLondon.pmRef: The Bronze looks like a really good club!
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Re: Good Accountants (?)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:15PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 How can you fall over doing one step forward one step backward with your
 arms out for balance?
 Or was it the one where you hold you arms over your head in an
 impression of someone trying to get out of a too-tight jumper in slow
 motion?

Actually, in Manchester, one traditionally dances to the Sisters either
with a four-way country reel, or the Can-Can. Sobriety is not an option :-)

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:22:50PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 I thought it closed down, actually. Is it still bring your own booze? Do
 they still have a silly entrance exam?

Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic, especially while
Dave the Goth is on sabbatical, so...

No, sort of, no.

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:47:47PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote:

  Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic

 What is this off-topic you speak of?  Is it a custom of your people?

Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called goats-fans, for fans of Goats:
the Comic Strip (http://www.goats.com - NOW!), and flaming and off-topic
posting leads to the moderators kicking your arse severly.

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 on the one hand i _almost_ like IE as it displays images as they load and
 doesn't wait unitl it has em all b4 showing you the page (unless width
 and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it
 handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7

Yeah, I was redoing my CV the other day (it's at http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire/cv.html 
if you want to employ me...) and IE handled things very nicely. I'm not exactly using 
complicated CSS, but the fact that it worked at all surprised me.

The one thing that's really bugging me is the lack of support for paged media - I've 
got a very simple rule that says that you should avoid page-breaking after the 
employer's name / details (so you get at least one paragraph of the job description 
in), but have yet to find a browser that works for this.

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: NY Invasion

2001-04-12 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:25:27AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 and we've tentatively pencilled in Thursday 26th April as a good date
 for us to show them how to drink.

Shit, and The Fall are playing Oxford then :-(

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-07 Thread Alex Page

On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 06:59:44AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Alex Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols, 

  Gah, I've got a copy of that on my shelf. Really should get round
  to reading it at some point...

 Ah, "bought any good books lately?". There are some books that are
 just good to _own_

I didn't buy it... it was a present from a guilty former employer when
he didn't give me the permanent position he'd promised me when I joined
the company after graduation. Also got O'Rielly's HTML and XHTML, which
my girlfriend has since lost... *grr*

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-07 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:28:16AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 Alex Page wrote:

  When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of 
  little signs over the classroom walls saying things like 
  "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things 
  like that in.

 I hope it had s/say/write/ , since I don't hear any difference when someone
 *says* "all right" or "alright".

I dunno. Probably as a result of that sign, I always try to
enunciate the gap between the words...

Alex
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"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Alex Page

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
 mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/

AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think about your 
grammar in English. I did Latin to A-level, and remembering which form of qui to use 
in a given situation really helps you work out that whole who / whom issue.

Similarly, I'm pretty good at using the subjunctive properly and stuff like that. 
German helped a lot too...

 If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
 and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of little signs over the 
classroom walls saying things like "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum 
little things like that in.

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject
 to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
 vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm
 shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a
 camp fire, drinking and talking.

But where would we find a camping ground with a fast net connection and wireless LAN 
connections?

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote:

 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD
 MM YY which is more sensible.

 Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion.

Or even better still, -MM-DD :-)

Alex



Re: if we can make it there, we can make it anywhere

2001-03-04 Thread Alex Page

On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:20:24PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 After I cunningly (as cunning as a bear who had just graduated from
 the school of obviousness) passed off the organisation of the NY.pm
 invasion there was yet again another burst of enthusiasm for it, and
 now it appears to have once again fallen off, where are we on this?

Dunno, if someone wants to use a perl meet as a smokescreen to coincide with a music 
festival I want to attend in NY at the end of august so I've got more chance of 
getting time off past my bosses, I'd be most grateful :-)

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:21:57AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:

 :) I think you are missing my point here. The plumber who is skilled in a
 trade probably thinks you are an idiot when you manage to mangle your own
 pipes and have to call him to fix it for you. 

Yeah... I always forget to flush when forking, and I've done some horrible things with 
IPC::Open3 before...

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Last Night

2001-02-02 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:43:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

 I hope that everyone who turned up last night had a good time

Certainly did. Sorry I didn't get to meet many people or stay very long, but Thursday 
nights are notoriously busy for me.

 I'd be interested in any opinions that people had about the venue as
 I'm still looking for a new home for our social meetings.

It didn't seem too bad - my pints were 2.50 each, which for central London isn't bad. 
There were certainly space issues, however.

I quite fancy the idea of going to different pubs, rather than sticking to a "home", 
but I'm like that so feel free to ignore me :-)

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:27:18AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 It should be mandatory for all public servants to be adept at Sim
 City.

IIRC, Sim City is one of Ken Livingstone's favorites.

Alex



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:32:47PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

 How about "Smoking Perl" for Amsterdam?

"YAPC::Europe::Amsterdam - A Week-Long Hashref"

Alex



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:59:44PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:

 There is a temptation to insert a joint into the mouth of the "Republic of
 Perl" camel.  Of course this would never happen[1].

 [1] Something tells me that would have to be a trademark thing that O'Reilly
 would protect.

IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as you're not making 
profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of T-shirt making is excusable).

Alex



Re: trade mark parody (Re: PIMB T-shirts)

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:43:00PM +, Robin Houston wrote:

 Don't we have someone here who *is* a lawyer? :-)

More to the point, don't we have someone who could drop a mail to one of the happy 
bunnies at O'Rielly and ask them nicely not to sue us?

Alex