RE: sing if you're happy that way

2001-05-08 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: Cross David - dcross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 It's what Chris uses to sign off his more erudite postings at 
 the Cookwood
 board - either that or the even more scarey 'PISHA'!

That much I'd figured out - perhaps I'm being too deep and meaningful in
assuming that 'CHOPS' has some greater meaning. That said, 'CHOPS' and
'PISHA' have all sorts of possibilities for acronymic re-interpretation,

 Chris HOping Puberty Starts 

 Perl Is Shit Hot, Aie.

I look forward to seeing what else can be contrived by the fetid
imaginations of London PM (collectively and individually). I hope 'Chris'
will appreciate our efforts :-)


RE: Company Name

2001-04-25 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Chris Heathcote wrote:
  Mega-Shiels 2001 Ltd.
 Shiels-Up! PLC

In a similar vein, how about 'Green Shiels Temps'?

It has a certain ring about it to those of us old enough to remember reams
of the things being dished out in Woolies and the like. :-)


RE: Installing Perl/Tk on Win32

2001-04-11 Thread Andrew Bowman

 Installing CPAN modules requires that you have Microsoft DevStudio or
 nmake.exe installed.  If you are installing modules that contain xs files,
 then you need DevStudio, otherwise you only need nmake.exe.
 You can download nmake from
 . Run the self-extracting exe and copy nmake.exeto the perl\bin directory.

Thanks for the tip. I tried this before bothering the list with my query
(which was itself rendered redundant with the helpful suggestion of
ActiveState's ppm's).

I didn't put the MS nmake in the perl\bin dir (this doesn't strike me as
significant). When I ran it it chuntered away happily on the Tk makefile for
a while, and then stopped, looking for a program called 'cl' - presumably a
c linker. There are 25 xs files in the Tk distribution, so I guess this is
where that approach went wrong.

Thanks again all,


Re: TPJ Reborn

2001-04-11 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  point of order - they are filters, not bots

 Isn't that two points? And is a line the shortest distance between them?

Point of yet further pedantry: I think you mean a directed line segment that
intersects two points...


RE: Wavelan

2001-04-10 Thread Andrew Bowman

 The perl script to do stuff with wireless scanning and GPS
 had me salivating :-) Time to buy an eTrek I think.

Where was GPS mentioned? I had a good hunt round (by myself and with the
assistance of the Altavista host: search parameter) but couldn't find it.



Installing Perl/Tk on Win32

2001-04-10 Thread Andrew Bowman

I'm trying to install the Tk module on a Win32 system (I realise this is
where my mistake lies, however, leaving that aside...). The docs say to:

perl Makefile.PL
nmake test 
nmake install_perl

Which seems to presume the presence of nmake as part of either an MS C or
Borland C compiler setup. There's also mention of it being possible to build
it with MinGW (a Minimalist GCC type setup for Windows), however this
doesn't come with nmake (and it's own make barfs on the TK makefile).

I haven't had much luck Googling for docs on how to install Tk on Win32
using MinGW (or any other approach that involves having a commercial Windows
C compiler), other than a fleeting reference to 'head scratching' - so any
help or pointers or insights you can offer will be appreciated.


RE: Installing Perl/Tk on Win32

2001-04-10 Thread Andrew Bowman

 If you don't really need to compile it yourself how's about:
 ppm install Tk?

Good idea - I can see PPM being useful if I have to persist with Win32

Thanks for the pointer James  Dean.


RE: Installing Perl/Tk on Win32

2001-04-10 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Robert Shiels [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Also, if you have any firewall problems, or a fast link at work and a
 slow dialup at home

Thanks again - I got it installed okay (no firewall probs). The laughable
thing is that I have a fast link at home[1] and a slow ISDN at work (soon to
be upgraded to a 128Kbps leased line I hear - woohoo! ;-)

The upside of working beyond the reach of ADSL (out at Harleyford, near
Marlow) is the beautiful countryside, with lunchtime walks by the Thames and
through the woods (although the FMD outbreak hasn't helped this). This and
the perpetually uplifting birdsong just outside the office.


[1] Did I tell you how fast ADSL is Greg? :-)

RE: Grammar (was: Re: Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: dcross - David Cross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
 and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? .
These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn - so why they aren't taught
(or possibly aren't learnt) says something about the education system and
the attitude of the pupils therein.

Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would
have done it".

Also, the more subtle, but equally invidious, "When did you want to go out?"
meaning "When do you want to go out?". "How many did you want?" he said.
"Oh, I still want seven" the customer replied.

Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's.

The proverbial Grocer's Apostrophe - Tomatoe's  Potato's (or, for the full
experience, Tomato's  Potatoe's).

And anuvver fing, wot abaht thowse peehpul 'oo prefix everyfink wiv
'actual'? The actual this, the actual that.

And many, many more...

RE: Grammar (was: Re: Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Dave Hodgkinson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
And of course, the best English speakers are probably the Scots and
 the Welsh. Discuss!
I'm not so sure about the Welsh you know ;-)

Re. the Scots, me apart, it depends on which part of Scotland. Some of the
clearest and most pleasant English speaking to be heard is among the
highlanders, many of whom ordinarily use Gaelic where possible. In other
areas, e.g. some parts of Glasgow, the language might as well be Gaelic as
far as southerners are concerned(viz. Rab C. Nesbitt - I'm sure a lot of his
witticisms are lost on those unfamiliar with Glaswegian vernacular). Even
so, there are plenty of call centres in and around Scottish towns and cities
- in part because of the perceived benefits of Scots accents.

On the subject of Glasgow, did any of you see the episode of Chewin' the Fat
(a sketch show akin to Naked Video) with the sketch of a couple of
Dixons-a-like shop assistants insisting to a customer that she needs an
extended warranty on the batteries she's buying? Hilarious stuff - ending,
of course, with the offer of an extended warranty on a carrier bag :-)


RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: David Cantrell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Why the hell not.  The farm which I believe Greg has in mind
 ( also sells mead.  Yum!

And do they supply Butane canisters and matches too? ;-)


RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Simon Wistow [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 How would people in like a one night camp out, subject
 to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
 Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?

 /me suspects Dave may have been kidnapped and replaced by a dozier, evil

Either that or he misread FM as SM, or, worse, FHM.


Suggestion - use of Subject: line

2001-03-29 Thread Andrew Bowman

Just now there are two interesting discussions going on, one about Perl
certification, the other about databases, under the subject 'Re: Job: I'm
looking for one..", both of which forked off from the original discussion a
long while back.

Can one or preferably both sets of participants please change to a more apt
subject line - normally discussions drifting from their original topic isn't
that big a problem (I'm guilty as charged too), but when the list is as busy
as it is just now, with two quite different discussions going by the same
subject line, it'd be a big help for those trying to follow the
conversation(s) if they could be differentiated by their subject lines!

Go on, please ;-)



Re: List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

2001-03-23 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "James Powell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ps - For an extra point, what show had an impression of Trevor McDonald
 called "Trevor McDoughnut"?

Trevor McDoughnut is/was a Lenny Henry character - so it was probably Three
of a Kind (remember that?), or another programme with Lenny H. in it.

For another point, who were the other two 'comedians' in Three of a Kind?
And, for half a point, to whom is Lenny Henry married?


RE: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-21 Thread Andrew Bowman

[Continuing off-topic - not a surprise on, I'm sure (I thought Mr.
Cantrell's [ot] the other day denoted 'on-topic' :--)]

 From: Marty Pauley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 In some countries the 'family name' is actually defined by your
 job, location, or other mutable property.  It used to be like that
 in Europe.

Hence names like Smith, Fletcher, Skinner, Mercer, etc. etc. (inc. Bowman).

On a related note, many Jewish surnames are of a similar, central European
origin (the likes of Goldblum (Goldflower), Spielberg (Playhill), Birnbaum
(Peartree) etc.) is that Jews didn't have/use family names (at that time at
least)and, following a change in the law (those Germans again), had to adopt
family names, hence the preponderance of names like those above).

 In other countries the family name changes each generation, so
 taking "Jonathan Peterson" as an example: his father would be
 "Peter something" and his children would be "something

The same happened in Scotland/Ireland/etc. - Mc/Mac literally means 'Son
of', hence names like MacDonald and Donaldson are essentially the same name.
Irish republicans sometimes reverse the anglicisation of names, hence the
likes of Sean MacStiofain, a senior IRA man, who was originally born in
London as John Stevenson.

In Iceland they append 'son' for sons and 'dottir' for daughters - hence
Magnus Magnusson is the son of Magnus, whilst Sally Magnusson would, in
Iceland at least, be Sally Magnusdottir. 


RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Michael Stevens [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 MMDDYY is about as backwards and illogical as you can possibly get[0].

 Our cousins across the ocean appear to like it for some reason. I suspect
 this was the motivation for the module.

Along with a few other quirks, such as:

- copper plate handwriting;
- combined brake and indicator lights;
- crap television shows with adverts interspersed between programme and
- insisting on forms that *everyone* has zip code and a state;

Without mentioning their notion of spelling or their curious insistence on
independence from Britain ;-)

Bizarre indeed!


RE: geek football

2001-02-27 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Mike Jarvis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Just be glad they didn't start playing "Slap the Yank".

You mean like the Polizei that you mentioned during our happy sojourn in The
Bunker at ebookers? Those were the days :-) (The Bunker, not the Polizei!).


RE: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Michael Stevens [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Tools - Options - Preferences - E-mail Options
 (This is Microsoft Outlook 2000 SR-1 Corporate or Workgroup)

Outlook 98 and Outlook Express also have this feature. Outlook 97 (my
current employer's choice) doesn't (so the above quoting is manually
inserted - I should be thankful that the Exchange server here is at least
configured to squash HTML/RTF email into plain text).

It may be heresy to admit it around here (come on then MuttCarroll!), but I
actually quite like Outlook Express (as distinct from Outlook) as a mail
client. Once it's configured to disable scripting etc. it's biggest flaw,
aside from its provenance in Redmond, is that it doesn't seem possible to
disable the display of HTML email - which is kind of annoying given the
opportunity this offers to spammers etc. to track the display of email.
Maybe it's not so good after all ;-)


RE: Mark Thomas

2001-02-01 Thread Andrew Bowman

 Does MT have a special T shirt vendor ?

 Yesterdays was a monopoply joke that I did not get 

I tuned in halfway through an item about ECGD (the UK Govt's export credit
guarantee department), which was something to do with two hotels they helped
fund in Ghana, which turned out to be one hotel and a load of apartments,
presumably without any refund to the poor old UK taxpayers... - hence the
shirt - two hotels != one hotel and four houses...


Re: TPC5

2001-01-20 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-)

Nah, I don't know enough about encryption ;-)

But then again, ignorance doesn't seem to be an obstacle to most lobbyists
or salesmen! Reminds me of ye olde joke:

Q. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a software

A. A used car salesman knows he's lying!


Re: TPC5

2001-01-20 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
 capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
 fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.

What sort of numbers are we talking about then?

If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference
type facilities (also handy for the airport!).

There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a
variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley
Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal
Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or
whatever it's called) etc. etc.



[1]  Possibly closed just now for redevelopment.

RE: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 write a suggestions document of where the project management and
 management functions are going wrong

 if they ignore it leave

Do you know anywhere this has happened Greg? ;-)

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
 looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes
 that you can think of?

You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols[1]? August is, in
some quarters at least, considered a non-month for the purposes of all sorts
of events - possibly even for an Open Source Convention :-)

Having said that, most London PM types aren't constrained by the likes of
school-age children, so will probably take holidays at better value times of

In case it's of interest, Monday, August, 27th, 2001 is the summer bank
holiday (i.e. a public holiday) this year, at least according to



[1] What with us having such long vacations over here and all.

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Bugger, we were afraid of that.  It's more than just Perl, it's for
 a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.)  What we really
 need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's
 in August?

I imagine it will to some extent - but probably not too much. See what other
folk here think and ask around on some of the European (i.e. continental)
lists to see what they think. I know the Germans are quite keen on heading
en masse to southern Europe[1] in the summer.


[1] An improvement on their previous European excursions :-)