Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Andy Williams


You can find it at
http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/wininst/1.1/W9X/EN-US/InstMsi.exe

Andy



We can go back to Dallas, November 22, 1963, stand on the
grassy knoll and shout,DUCK!!


On Thu, 31 May 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

 So I'm using a windows computer to do some stuff.  Which means I need a
 decent scripting language, that means I install perl.

 I head off to the activestate page and download the MSI for the latest
 build.  My question is...how do I install this?  I can't find the MSI
 installer anywhere on their site.

 I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have
 and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.)  Are they randomly
 switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the
 installer when they switched back.

 'elp!

 Mark.


 --
 s''  Mark Fowler London.pm   Bath.pm
  http://www.twoshortplanks.com/  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t-Tputs(cl);for$w(split/  +/
 ){for(0..30){$|=print$t-Tgoto(cm,$_,$y). $w;select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}





RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Andy Williams

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me.

 Dave...


I'd move


Andy




Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Andy Williams

 
  Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again
  black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera.


 add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads
 dissappearing into a satchel for more fun

  Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the
  effect.
 

 also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form
 of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock
 equal to the prime series mod 60


Way too much thought has gone into this are you sure _you're_ not part
of THE conspiracy!!!

Andy




Email::Valid

2001-05-30 Thread Andy Williams

Has any one used this module at all?
I just tried it and got some wierd results!!!
It though the following where VALID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
tricad@dial,pipex.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED],co.uk
enquiries@peter-il;land.co.uk
martyn@the,coot.freeserveco.uk
shirleyhemes@.uk.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED],co.uk
3jsolution@.21.com
paula,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ian,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

and that this was INVALID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it works fine
I've tried the one's above that claim to be VALID and they all fail.

Anyone else had this problem?

Andy



Talkie Toaster: Given that God is infinite, and that the
Universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea
cake?






Re: Email::Valid

2001-05-30 Thread Andy Williams

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 Andy Williams wrote:
 
  Has any one used this module at all?

 How does it match up against tchrist's stuff?


All the one's that claimed to be valid from E::V failed chaddr!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] had this result from chaddr:
user: andyw. is good
host: hillway.com is good
address `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is bad: rfc822 failure

So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd!

Thanks

Andy




Re: Email::Valid

2001-05-30 Thread Andy Williams

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd!
 

 its not the email address thats broken, its your SMTP server ;-)


Could be right it's sendmail :(

Andy




Re: Email::Valid

2001-05-30 Thread Andy Williams





This man is not guilty of manslaughter, he is only guilty
of being Arnold J. Rimmer. That is his crime... it is also
his punishment.


On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:

snip

 You are correct in that these shouls all be invalid.

Great.

  and that this was INVALID:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 It is.
Damn

another snip
Thanks for the RFC... I think!
 Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept

I will...

Andy




Re: Email::Valid

2001-05-30 Thread Andy Williams

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:

 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:56:56AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote:
  On Wed, 30 May 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  snip
   You are correct in that these shouls all be invalid.
  Great.
and that this was INVALID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   It is.
  Damn
  another snip
  Thanks for the RFC... I think!

 :)

   Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept
  I will...

 Sorry, that wasn't to you, so much as why the mailer accepts it. It is
 something occasionally seen, mostly the people I've seen doing it are
 spammers, and should therefore die anyway.

 A quick test shows that SAUCE doesn't like it, although I'm going to
 have to file a bug report against SAUCE as it doesn't deal properly
 with quoting, it accepts the quoted version, though. :)


Suprise, suprise... MS Exchange excepts it!

Andy




Re: Buffy ..

2001-05-16 Thread Andy Williams

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:


 http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918


Tempting very tempting.
I bet the price goes up quite quickly now

Andy




Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Andy Williams

 At 17:38 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch
  socialism was
   rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits
   intimitadly because they could see it would not work for modern Britain?
 
 Which intelligent people who understood it would that be, then?

 Take a look around you. This list, being representative of the Perl
 community, tends towards the intelligent end of the spectrum. And from what
 I've gathered from the conversations I've had with people here, the vast
 majority of us tend towards the left[1].

 Dave...
 [1] Cue indignant emails from the half-dozen of so right-wingers I know on
 the list :)

Yep... you can count me on that list...

Andy (preparing for all the insults under the sun for being a tory!)




Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Andy Williams


 Struan Donald wrote:

 Basically it went like this:

 As a telco you ahve to bid for this because if you don't get a 3G
 licence then you're fucked. So everyone who bids as high as they can. So
 whoever gets it is fucked anyway because they've got no money.

 3G is all bollocks anyway. Just like everything else in the Mobile Phone
 industry.

 /rant

And didn't the sell off screw the police over a bit as the replacement
system they got can only handle voice communication and not data??
(Something like that anyway)

Andy
(Still a tory :)




Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Andy Williams

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
 bioinformatics revolution?  Hack around and cure cancer at the same time ;-)


 L.

Been there, done that at the Sanger Centre hacking around with genes
though...

Andy




Re: Bioinformatics (was RE: Politics)

2001-05-14 Thread Andy Williams

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:


 On Mon, 14 May 2001, Andy Williams wrote:

  On Mon, 14 May 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
   Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
   bioinformatics revolution?  Hack around and cure cancer at the same time ;-)
 
  Been there, done that at the Sanger Centre hacking around with genes
  though...

 Why'd ya leave?  OK, so the Sanger doesn't pay as much as industry, but
 it's a noble cause.

 L.

You got it in one... just the money issue really an agency phoned me
one day offering loads of wonga to go contracting... so I did.
I'll go back to it when I've earnt enough/got so pissed of with marketing
depts!!

Andy




Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread Andy Williams


Just looking for a good book on Email I can across the review for
Programming Internet Email (Oreilly) by [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565924797/o/qid=986555353/sr=8-1/026-4687583-3140411

Comments?

Andy



"Pub: ah, yes, a meeting place where people attempt to reach
advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated
consumption of fermented vegetable drinks"






[HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Andy Williams

Hi,

Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me
completely confused (not that difficult actually!!)

traceroute 195.153.113.229
traceroute to 195.153.113.229 (195.153.113.229), 30 hops max, 40 byte
packets
 1  chromium.pair.net (209.68.1.224)  1.814 ms  1.067 ms  0.569 ms
 2  beauty.pair.net (192.168.1.2)  1.744 ms  1.472 ms  0.813 ms
 3  POS3-2.GW3.PIT1.ALTER.NET (157.130.48.161)  1.003 ms  1.520 ms  1.621
ms
 4  518.at-2-0-0.XR1.DCA1.ALTER.NET (152.63.36.250)  6.362 ms  6.487 ms
6.001 ms
 5  295.at-7-1-0.XR1.DCA8.ALTER.NET (146.188.163.10)  7.885 ms  6.676 ms
8.041 ms
 6  POS6-0.BR2.DCA8.ALTER.NET (152.63.35.189)  8.887 ms  8.094 ms  8.770
ms
 7  204.6.140.117 (204.6.140.117)  7.447 ms  8.928 ms  8.285 ms
 8  ne.peering.tier1.us.psi.net (154.13.2.34)  14.977 ms  13.005 ms
12.713 ms
 9  204.6.134.154 (204.6.134.154)  87.708 ms  87.232 ms  86.990 ms
10  5-11-leaf-int.lf1.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.11.5)  83.906 ms
83.318 ms  83.721 ms
11  * * *
12  * * *
13  * * *
14  * * *
15  * * *
16  * * *
17  * * *
18  * * *
19  * * *
20  * * *
21  * * *
22  * * *
23  * * *
24  * * *
25  ci217.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.30.217)  97.396 ms !X * *
26  ci217.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.30.217)  95.940 ms !X *  94.271 ms
!X

TIA

Andy



"Sir, I beg you to reconsider. If not for your sanity, you
haven't even considered the moral implications of your
decision. You will be joining a society where you will be
compelled to have sex with beautiful, brilliant women, twice
daily, on demand. Now, am I really the only one here who
finds that just a little bit tacky?"






Re:

2001-04-04 Thread Andy Williams

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook)
  displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment.
 

 mutt displayed it as a uuencoded block of  well uuencoding


pine too...

Andy




RE: archiving

2001-04-03 Thread Andy Williams

 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  * Scientologists pay huge sums of money to buy "secrets" that are mirrored
  all over the internet. The "church" claims these are copyrighted and will do
  their best to close down any site carrying these.
  --
  The information contained in this communication is
   ^^
  confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient
   
  named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader
  of this message is not the intended recipient, you are
  ^^^
  hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
   ^^^
  copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
   

 Is it just me that finds your disclaimer really quite funny in context? :)


Hey!!! That took the legal team at Acxiom (US) months to come upt with :)

Andy (Acxiom Employee :()






Re: Legal Disclaimers on Email (was: Re: archiving)

2001-04-03 Thread Andy Williams

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:56:27AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote:
 [snip]
  Hey!!! That took the legal team at Acxiom (US) months to come upt with :)

 And what do they know about UK law?


Sweet FA I guess. I have pointed this out to our "management team", but
I'm just a lowly perl hacker, what would I know.

Andy




Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Andy Williams

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 Oh, it's not me - it's the environment I'm currently working in.

 Dave...
 [not a Luddite]

I can vouch for that REALLY bad environment!!

Andy
[Not a Luddite either]




Re: [Need] A Perl HTML to Text converter

2001-03-16 Thread Andy Williams

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 08:07:39AM -0500, Andy Williams wrote:
  Does anyone know of a HTML to Text converter written in Perl?
  It'll need to be able to format tables!!
 
  I normally use lynx to do it but it doesn't handle tables very well :(

 It's not Perl, but try using w3m instead.  It's a far superior text mode
 browser.  Lynx is from the stone age.  :-)

 http://www.w3m.org/

 -Dom


Thanks Dom,

I'll give it a try.

Andy




Re: Version control

2001-03-12 Thread Andy Williams

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 There's been a bit of discussion about version control on the IRC channel.

 Summary of discussion: CVS and RCS both suck, they just suck in different
 ways, and subversion is vapourware which doesn't even promise to overcome
 the problems in CVS/RCS.

 But there are alternatives.  Does anyone here have any comments on
 Perforce or Clearcase?  Needless to say, both companies have crap websites
 with no useful documentation and a tonne of marketing arse.


I've used Aegis and CVS in the past and like them both. CVS is used for
all the code behind the Human Genome project loads of lines of code
and loads of programmers... never seemed to cause a problem there.

Andy




Re: Buffy/Angel

2001-03-02 Thread Andy Williams

No problem.
I should be able to bring it in Wednesday!.

Andy



"A superlative suggestion sir, with only two drawbacks: one,
we don't have any defensive shields and two, we don't have
any defensive shields. I know that, technically, that's only
one drawback, but it was such a big one I thought I'd
mention it twice"


On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:


 Bit of an off-topic begging letter this...

 I'm going out tonight and I forgot to set the video for Buffy  Angel
 before leaving the house this evening. Is there any kind person out
 there who is videoing it and can let me borrow the tape at some point
 next week?

 Cheers,

 Dave...





Re: geek football

2001-02-27 Thread Andy Williams

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Hamlet D'Arcy wrote:

 As an American in the audience of Quantum::Superpositions last night I have
 one question.

 What in the world is a 'geek football pool'?

Geek: That would be us I guess!!
Football: You probably know it as soccer.
Pool: A list of games being played on a particular day that you can bet on
the outcome.

HTH

Andy




Re: t-shirts

2001-02-21 Thread Andy Williams

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

 We've been talking about t-shirts on irc, and I think we should try
 to get some ideas together[1]. Some thoughts to start you off:

 Hash Bang Perl

 Pony::Pony

 PIMB (we've done this one)

 ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

I saw a t-shirt the other week that just had "-w" on it thought it was
quite cool. Not sure if it was a perl t-shirt though!

Andy




CGI.pm Question

2001-01-30 Thread Andy Williams

Hi,

I know how to redirect using the GET method
print $q-redirect("$url?$query_string");
but how do I do it for POST?

TIA

Andy



"This sounds like a twelve-change-of-underwear trip."






Re: CGI.pm Question

2001-01-30 Thread Andy Williams


 You can't properly - I think there is a rant on :

 http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/

 about this matter but I dont have the time to check the whole lot.  The
 best way to achieve the effect is to use LWP to submit the request and
 then display the resulting output.

 This might answer:

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/post-redirect.html


Thanks Jonathon.

It appears that it'll only work if all my users have Lynx 2.8.3. (I
can dream I suppose.)

Just added another page to the mix that auto submits on load, and that
seems to work.

Andy




Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Andy Williams

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:35:45AM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
  I suspect things like SMP probably still work better.  And if I were
  on call supporting a server I would probably still trust a Sparc
  running Solaris over some dodgy PC desktop with Redhat stuck on it by
  a hobbyist who has never used another UNIX.

 Multi processor Solaris runs rings around any of the free Unixes.
 They've had kernel threads for nearly 10 years, and it's very optimized.

 I suspect that SGIs IRIX is equally good, but I have no experience of
 that to speak from.


Tru64 from Compaq isn't too shabby either... however they are expensive...
probably get the same power to cost ratio with clustered Linux boxes on
Intel!!

Andy




Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Andy Williams

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

 Can't we compare something vaguely equivalent here instead?

 I personally would have just as little faith in Solaris run by someone
 who didn't know what they were doing as I would in Redhat run by
 someone who didn't know what they were doing.

 How about a decently built rack mount PC running Debian[1], by
 someone who actually knows how to setup that particular OS decently,
 as compared with a Sun box running Solaris setup by someone good
 with solaris?

 (And, myself, I'd recommend the PC for some situations, and the Solaris box
 for others).

 My main problem with the PC architecture is that you can do a lot by carefully
 picking a good manufacturer, but it's still fundamentally not as solid and
 consistent as sun stuff, IMHO.

 I imagine you could get a pc service contract on the same level as
 Sun do, but I have no experience in the area. Has anyone got any experience
 paying vast amounts of money for PC support? did you get much for your
 money?

We are currently getting support for all our redhat boxes running on
Compaq.
Compaq offer 24x7, 2 hour response/4 hour fix on their intel boxes (at a
price)... They also offer basic RedHat support.
Redhat offer OS support for 625 UKP per server (9-6 Mon-Fri)
RHCE Course is only 1500 UKP too.

Andy




Directory Structures!

2001-01-12 Thread Andy Williams

Hi,

I'm having a mental block today, so my apologies in advance!!

I'm using File::Find to recursively get all the files from a directory
structure, then splitting each $File::Find::name into an array.
What I need to do is put this into a data structure like:
$dirstruct{"mydir"}-{dir1}-{dir2}-["A.A","B.B"]
$dirstruct{"mydir"}-{dir1}-{dir3}-{dir4}-["C.C","D.D"]
$dirstruct{"mydir"}-{dir4}-{dir5}-["E.E"]
The directory listing would be:
/dir1/dir2/A.A
/dir1/dir2/B.B
/dir1/dir3/dir4/C.C
/dir1/dir3/dir4/D.D
/dir4/dir5/E.E

I know I've done this before, but I'll be damned if I can find it or
remember how I did it.

Please Help!

TIA

Andy



"That's the metaphorical equivalent of flopping your wedding
tackle into a lion's mouth and flicking his love spuds with
a wet towel - total insanity"