Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Barbie

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? 

I did ask, but she doesn't fancy it. So I get to party :)

Barbie





Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Barbie

From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 01:15:17PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
  Just saw this linked from a hugely obvious banner ad on the Register :
 
  http://training.gbdirect.co.uk/courses/perl/for_the_register.html
 
  Great idea to tie it in to a success story I thought.

 Grumble grumble.

 At least they only claim to be the maintenance team.  Almost like
 boasting about being the team sent in to fetch the team sent in to
 rescue the hostages.

 If on the other hand you want the dev team, I'm sure Barbie and I
 could figure something to tell you for the right amount of beer.

Only just seen this!

They probably could only get away with saying they maintain it due to the
amount of complex stuff in there, and potential legal implications if they
said they designed it. But I'll agree with The Goth here, do we really want
to associate with the buggers?

 I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)

Seeing as they're in Bradford, perhaps how to make damn fine curries. That's
it, you've convinced me, where do I sign up?

Barbie





Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Barbie

From: Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Beer good.

But Guinness is better ;)

Barbie





Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Barbie wrote:

  They probably could only get away with saying they maintain it due to
the
  amount of complex stuff in there, and potential legal implications if
they
  said they designed it. But I'll agree with The Goth here, do we really
want
  to associate with the buggers?
 
   I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)

 hmmm .. whilst I don't know what their Perl skills are like I do know
 they are a generally clueful outfit .. ISTR one of the founders has his
 name on more than one UNIX book of repute ...

Richard, The Goth and I were referring to The Register not the GBDirect
people.

Barbie.




Re: General Election

2001-06-03 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Look, I'm not saying Bragg's voice is pretty. But his pitching is
 accurate, his tunes are good, his songwriting is immaculate and you
 can tell what he's singing. Same goes for his Bobness too come to
 that.

You can tell what Bob is singing! I had to get the Dylan Songbook to
learn the words ;)

Barbie

PS: I have several albums by Billy and Bob, but I still don't class them as
folk singers. The Houghton Weavers, The Spinners, The Knigston Trio, My
missus  now they're folk singers.




Re: General Election

2001-06-02 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I understand folk singers sometime place a finger over their ear whilst
 singing. Perhaps Mr Bragg should try that. I doubt it would improve his
 singing, but at least it would stop him twanging that guitar ...

I don't think you could call Billy Bragg a folk singer. His more aptly
titled moniker of Bard of Barking is probably more representative of what
he does. Tells stories set to music. he might not be the best singer in the
world, but then it never stop Bob Dylan or Jimi Hendrix. each to their own I
suppose.

Barbie.




Re: Religion

2001-06-02 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
  The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing
round a
  tree in May) are good healthy things to do.

 What with this and Piers' earlier revelations  and the ever present
 Unixbeard I have this feeling that maybe we ought to get a Morris Side
 together for next years Jack in the Green festival in Hastings,

 This will be an amusing thing.

Now I'd pay to see that :)

Barbie.




Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

 There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
 first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)

Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?

Barbie.





Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 (Isn't
 there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?)

Apparently so.

Allegedly there is a move to bring the UK more into line with the rest of
Europe with regards to bank holidays. Several European nations put us to
shame when you compare us with countries like Germany (14 days IIRC). The
Golden Jubilee is the first to be introduced, with another 3 added over the
next few years. I guess the Golden Jubilee one will then be known as
Coronation Day or some such.

There was a link all about it on the bbc site, but that was earlier in the
year when I was living that other life, blissfully unaware I was about to be
made redundant :)

Barbie.





Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point,
  coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka
  Whitsun) Bank Holiday.

 Besides, people have been celebrating Mayday for _far_ longer than Easter.

I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,
Paganism, is the target for being abolished. Mayday was traditionally the
fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan holidays
seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they
don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life.

Barbie.





Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: General Election


 From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM

 Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [The Red Flag]

   I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed
 to
   the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.
 
  Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how
  I try it it still sounds bloody ugly.

 There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn
on
 BB's mini-album The Internationale.

 If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play
it
 to you.

Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

Barbie.





Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

 Ooh. Shiny! What's on the 7?

straight from billybragg.co.uk (cause I couldn't remember seeing as I
haven't played it in several years):

QUOTE
Raglan Road (Live)
May 1990, Utility (7), USAMP 2
plus Slap Me Shake Me/Clea  McLeod, Sleep With Me/Caroline Trettine And Amy
Grant/The Young Fresh Fellows
Utility Records sampler given free with vinyl copies of The Internationale
album
/QUOTE

I remember now, it was a 4 track, with the other artists all appearing on
other Cooking Vinyl distributed releases from round about the same time.

And for those want the traditional lyrics :
http://www.billybragg.co.uk/inter6.html

Barbie.





Re: Religion

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion,
 Paganism, is the target for being abolished.

 Is paganism a religion?

Yes. Just because it isn't an organised religion with official buildings and
the like or a registered charity it is relagated to the none of the above
category. However, within the civil service it is the only such religion
that has recognised religious holidays.

 Or does it refer to What Northern and central Europe did before
 the Romans?

It was the religion in these here parts several hundreds of years before the
Romans ever discovered this little island.

 Mayday was traditionally the
 fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan
holidays
 seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they
 don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life.

 This is all true. But Christian festivals are for the most part
 intellectualised versions of the non-christian ones they replaced. Easter
 is a fertility festival.

Eh? Nope it was an attempt by the Christian faith to remove every possible
existance of any other religion in the provinces they conquered. It has
still been happening in this century within Africa and South America. The
holidays might happen at similar times, but their meanings are far from the
same.

 All souls day is the same as Halloween

All Souls Day is a celebration of all things good. Halloween is the
romantised version of witchcraft being bad and tantamount to devil
worshipping. Again an effort by the church to ridicule other religions.

 The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing round
a
 tree in May) are good healthy things to do. The cerebral aspects of
 paganism are daft (If I wear leaves and dance round a tree the tree
spirit
 will make me more fertile).

If you read up on it a bit more, you'll see that there's much more to it
than that. And anyway why is that any more daft than someone going to a
church and praying for God to make them fertile. They're just a person's
belief, the fact they you choose to ridicule another's way acting on that
belief only allows the church to perpetuate the ridicule that is placed on
other religions. Faith is a very personal thing, whereas a religion
dictating that other kinds of faith are bad or inferior only serves to
belittle themselves IMO. Perhaps one of the reasons why the Pope is making
such an effort to apologise for past persecutions.

 To the extent Christianity leaves one alone
 and replaces the other, I like it. I agree that at times it hasn't done a
 very good job of leaving alone. But nothing's perfect...

What like the Crusades?

 Jon, thinking Paganism and Christianity should co-exist happily as do Art
 and Science.

One celebrates life, the other glorifies death. Art and Science are not so
extreme.

BTW I'm not a Pagan, just in case you're wondering.

Barbie.





Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:53:53PM +0100, Barbie wrote:
  the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism
 
 Nice try.

Are you saying it isn't a religion or there is another one?

Barbie




Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Barbie

From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I supose the real question is

  a) Why don't activestate mirror the latest installer on their site, or..
  b) At least link to it whenever you offer a MSI package to download (or
 at least on the 'downloads' page

Last time I downloaded (build 623) they had both the explanation about the
installer and a direct link to it on the M$ site. Even the install notes
page makes no mention of it. Pretty poor if you ask me.

Barbie





Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:15 AM

  Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
   pedant
   That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain
 the
   name.
   /pedant
 
  c.f previous mail
 
  The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race
  held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea
  in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the
  coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of
  Hannover. The race is now held in July.

 Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB
 LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name.

 Btw, the coat is red.

Doggett's Coat and Badge

one of the world's oldest continuing rowing races, held annually in England
along the River Thames from London Bridge to Chelsea, a distance of 4 miles
5 furlongs (7.4 km). The race is a sculling contest between skiffs
originally used to ferry passengers across the river. The boats are manned
by watermen who have recently completed their apprenticeship. The contest
was instituted in 1715 by Thomas Doggett, an English comic actor, to
commemorate the accession of George I in 1714. Doggett provided for a cash
prize and an Orange coloured Livery with a Badge representing Liberty to
be awarded to the winner. Although the colour of the uniform has changed
from orange to red and the cash prize is no longer awarded, Doggett's decree
continues to be fulfilled.

This internet thing is quite interesting really once you get the hang of it.
Do I get half a pint for knowing the coat was originally orange?

Barbie.





Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Btw, the coat is red.

And for anyone bored enough, the coat looks like this:

http://home.planet.nl/~pdavis/Doggett.htm

Barbie.





Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-24 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  but he can also cook!

 Can he? I wouldn't know. I know nothing about him other than he appears in
 films that I have no interest in. Don't think I've seen a single film with
 him in.

I remember going to see Executive Decision at the cinema and the whole
audience cheering when SS got killed. I thought I was the only one :)

Barbie.





Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-24 Thread Barbie

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I seem to remember an extremely soft porn-ish film with julie andrews
 at one stage, all i can remember is giant toy soldiers. I don't think
 porn is even the right title it was more just weird.

You're thinking of the comedy S.O.B., where a film director decides his
wife (played by Julie Andrews)should go topless to increase the film's
rating and the director's flagging career. Oddly enough the film is directed
by Andrew's husband at the time, Blake Edwards. Life imitating art or visa
versa?

Barbie.





MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie

Using the code below, and calling the routine with a *.jpg file. Why does
the mime_type return text/plain? I've also tried using MIME::Head-read
with a filehandle and it returns the same. I would investigate CPAN further
for clues (and the examples that ActivePerl decided not to include), but it
doesn't seem to want to respond to me today :(

Barbie.


sub parseMIME {
 $myfile = shift;

 use MIME::Head;

 ### Parse a new header from a filehandle:
$head = MIME::Head-from_file($myfile);

### The content type (e.g., text/html):
$mime_type = $head-mime_type;

 return split(/,$mime_type);
}






Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie

From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Dunno about your MIME problem (sorry), but somebody on irc mentioned
 trying cpan2.org instead.

Ahh! Got it. Thanks.

Found the following:

Due to nonuniqueness of MIME encodings, there is a very good chance
that your output will not Iexactly resemble your input. 

So it seems it's taken a best guess, because it didn't understand the
encoding. Back to the drawing board.

Barbie.





Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else,

Isolated file.

 If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format
or filename or
 something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't think MIME::
would help.
 Could be wrong tho. Apache has some stuff that attempts to do this, but
unless you
 fancy making your program a mod_perl handler that won't help you much.

Unfortunately I have to rely on the standard install of ActivePerl and
didn't want to make assumptions based on the extension type of the file.
Never mind, I will have to investigate further for future use. Thanks for
the help.

Barbie.





Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie

From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
  man 1 file
  man 5 magic
  less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems
 

 except anything written my MS of course...

Which is precisely what this install of ActivePerl sits on. Luckily I have a
Linux box too :)

Barbie.





Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Barbie

From: robert shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 According to a recent survey, men say the first thing they notice about
 a women are their eyes.  And women say the first thing they notice about
 men are: they're a bunch of liars.

That's not quite true. Women initial assume that all men are automatically
lairs and work they're way up from there.

Barbie.





Re: T-Shirts

2001-05-17 Thread Barbie

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 ...and then sunny Birmingham ..

You must have been dreaming! 

Barbie,
currently sitting in a high-rise office block in rainy Brum.





Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Barbie

 Thinking of big hard drives...

 http://www.dabs.com/products/compare.asp?action=selectedprodtype=14

 Nice feature.

Bugger I bought a 41.1Gb IBM Deskstar the other month from Dabs and now
they've drop their price by £25.

Barbie





Re: Latest Perl Journal

2001-05-16 Thread Barbie

From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
   Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
   london.pm technical meeting some months ago :)
 
  What's the footnote on page 78, Dave?
 
 And is this a subscribers copy or one found in the wild?

Subscribers copy. Arrived transatlantic this morning.

Barbie.





Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)

2001-05-16 Thread Barbie

From: Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Wed, 16 May 2001, Barbie wrote:
  sysadmin, being the shortsighted Solaris guru that he claims he is, has
  deemed outgoing and ingoing ports that aren't for HTTP, FTP be blocked
:(

 dare I enquire how you sent this mail, then?

 :)

Oh yeah and them. Apparently it's stop people using newsgroups and Napster.
We didn't bother explaining that most of us use mailing lists and use ftp to
download mp3s.

Barbie





Schroedingers Computer

2001-05-11 Thread Barbie

http://www.nature.com/nsu/010503/010503-6.html

So far, demonstrations of quantum computing have been limited to the most
rudimentary of calculations, involving only two or three bits of
information. 

I'm sure Damian could them straight on that one ;-P

Barbie





Re: Monitors

2001-05-11 Thread Barbie

Currently just Tux, who thankfully doesn't get used as Nerf gun target
practice since leaving tw2.

Barbie.





Re: mod perl

2001-05-10 Thread Barbie

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 so what is the preffered debugging method for discovering what this
 little leak might be .. strip the app down and build bit by bit .. or is
 there a clever way of looking at heap contents?

Would MJD's Memoize (http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Memoize) work here?

Barbie.





Re: TPC Travel

2001-05-02 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Who's going to TPC? Shall we see if we can get a group together and
perhaps
 get a discount on the flight?

I'm not sure at the moment due to the cost involved. However, I have done
some prelimary checking and there is a British Airways flight direct from
Heathrow to San Diego for just over £680 for the month of July. Discovered
that I can get an extra 20% off the cost of the tuts and stuff though, so an
extra discount on the flight and some cheap accomodation and I'll be in for
definite.

Barbie.





Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Barbie

From: Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 on 27/4/01 11:08 am, Rob Partington wrote:

  about all things Manc on a London.pm list?!
 
  Given the number of people I've seen from Manchester Uni at the
  technical meetings, probably not...

 Y'see I was a Salford problem kid...

I always knew Manchester was the centre of the Universe. Shame about the
footballs teams though.

Barbie.





TPC5 Attendees

2001-04-25 Thread Barbie

Just had a look at the registration for the forthcoming TPC5, and notice a
fair few London.pm'ers are attending. Nice :)

However, also had a look at the Hotel costs. Thankfully I wasn't drinking
anything at the time. Seeing as I'm having to pay for this years trip out of
my own pocket, would anyone be interested in sharing a room with a
Birmingham.pm'er? Or know of any other hotels (within walking distance from
the conference) that are cheaper?

Barbie.





Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Barbie

From: "Steve Mynott" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 why don't you have the social meeting a day earlier so that everyone
 can "work from home" with their hangovers the following day?

That would work for me. I might be able to get down to London more often.
Being in charge of baby while missus goes off practicing with her band can
be a pain sometimes.

Barbie





Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Barbie

From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl
was
 sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same as anyone else's Perl,
 shurely? All the brain ache surrounding PPM and CPAN modules and XS is not
 strictly perl related is it? I mean how the hell do you install CPAN
packges
 on EPOC perl or Mac Perl or any other platform that doesn't smell of Unix?

 I've I'm wrong and Activestate Perl is full of unreleased modifications to
 Perl itself or the core libs I'd like to know if it...

Unfortunately there is a difference between PPM and CPAN modules, which is
why you need to check whether the module you require is in the ActiveState
repository or the Package List. If you want anything extra curricular (e.g.
Template Toolkit) you'll need nmake and hope it works under windows from
CPAN.

The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation for you. the
bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then again seeing as they've
done the job of porting the package you'd hope it was tested at their end.
At least that's what _I'm_ hoping.

Barbie.





Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-06 Thread Barbie

From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 "Barbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of
the
  english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky
enough
  to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably
faired
  better than most.

 Fared?

 *ducks*

Senility is setting in early.

I thought it was bit strange my message not appear after posting Wed, 4 Apr
2001 13:01:32. Looking at the header it's certainly dome the rounds!

Barbie.






Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Barbie

 Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was
schooled
 during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
 punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
 taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify
performance-related
 bonuses, or running around like headless chickens to prepare for OFSTED
 visits.

Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of the
english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky enough
to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably faired
better than most.

 They went on strike quite a lot back then, too.

Living in the wilds of Cheshire we had regular blackouts. The local candle
factory did a roaring trade back then.

 Anyway, back to the point. Many of my peers and friends who were taught
 exactly the same punctuation stuff as me just ignored it and used things
 like "could'nt" and "samwich's" and so on. I reckon it's less to do with
it
 being taight in schools and more to do with how much someone reads. If you
 read a lot, you see the correct forms a lot and it sinks in. Similarly
with
 grammar, I reckon, although I have absolutely zero evidence to back that
up.

Personally I think it stems from laziness. There are too many hip and trendy
words slipping into our regular vocabulary these days, that even TV
presenters are falling foul of correct english. Not a good example to the
kids me thinks (says he now a responsible father of 5 months. okay
forget the responsible part).

RANT
My other half was a Reception teacher and the farce they went through with
OFSTED was beyond belief. Then the actual report was even worse, all wrapped
up in management BS that can destroy a career after only ever having seen
one 30 minute lesson.
/RANT

Barbie.

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [my new homefor now]






Re: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary

2001-01-05 Thread Barbie

 Sun 25th Feb Emergency Social Meeting (Damian Conway)
 Mon 26th Feb Emergency Technical Meeting (Damian Conway)

This could be worth having a holiday for. See you there :)

Barbie




Birmingham Perl Mongers

2001-01-05 Thread Barbie

If anyone is ever in Birmingham on the second Wednesday of every month,
the Birmingham Perl Mongers (there are a few at the moment) will be glad
to indulge in a few pints with you.

For those interested, the next meeting (10th January) will be after
5.30pm in The Hogshead on Newhall Street (just round the corner from St
Phillips Cathedral on Colmore Row).

Have fun!
Barbie