Technical Meeting - 21st June

2001-06-18 Thread Dave Cross

Oh... er... it's only three days to the technical meeting and so far I don't
seem to have any talks for it.

I'll write my Perl for the People talk tonight and give that, and I think 
that Robin wanted to do something.

There must be others out there who want to practice talks that they'll be
giving at TPC or YAPC::E. Please let me know.

Dave...

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NYC Pictures

2001-06-15 Thread Dave Cross

A lot later that originally planned [insert bootsphoto.com rant here] I've
finally got my photos of NYC back and am currently in the process of
uploading them to http://www.dave.org.uk/ny/.

Some semblance of order may well be imposed if I ever get some more spare
time, but currently you'll just have to make do with a default index page.

Whilst I'm quite happy to take the blame for the poor composition and
lack of focus, the general washed-out colour is, I'm sure, the fault of
Boots. I (or, more accurately, my camera) are usually better than that :)

Caption competition anyone?

Enjoy,

Dave...

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-15 Thread Dave Cross

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:42:20PM +0100, Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a 
  Leader Board of known London.pm people
 
 The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)...

And, of course, not all modules on CPAN are in the module list 
(see, for example, Symbol::Approx::Sub).

Dave...

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-15 Thread Dave Cross

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:18:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 Richard Clamp sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  Yeah but if you did just parse 02packages blindly then Leon would have
  a bigger headstart with all of the Graphviz::GraphMyAunt modules.
 
 Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again?

Do you mean GEDCOM?

I made a start at something to create data structures based on GEDCOM files
and create web pages using TT2. Feel free to snarf code from

http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/webged.tar.gz

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-15 Thread Dave Cross

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:29:27PM +0200, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:18:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 
  Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again?
 
 GEDCOM.  I wrote Gedcom.pm and I've actually had a couple of people
 asking about Graphviz, but I had to say I didn't know anything about it.

Credit where credit is due. I should probably point out that I made very
heavy use of Paul's GEDCOM.pm when writing webged.

Dave...

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Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-15 Thread Dave Cross

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:38:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
  and you've now been associated on the page with us as well ;-)
 
 Thanks.  I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland at
 the moment, but at least it bumps up the percentages on the web page 

That's just down the road in comparison to some of the people that 
consider themselves members of london.pm :)

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Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Dave Cross

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:45:32PM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  It had been my intention for the whole Gellyfish Clan to venture forth to
  Amsterdam but it looks like I will be the only representative now as the
  leader has decided that she has been to Amsterdam too many times
  previously to justify the cost and I cant be arsed to argue about it :)
  
 
 So how many of clan Cross intend to travel?

Just the one. Gill has no real interest in visiting Amsterdam - especially
not in the company of a load of geeks :)

Dave...

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bk strikes again

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Cross

It's all been pretty civilised over on the Cookwook board recently which has
made a nice change. I suspect it might all kick off again tho' when bk sees
my response to his contribution to this thread:

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=5205

Dave...

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Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Dave Cross

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:55:17PM -0500, Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Larry speaks in a bit over 9 hours.  Yippee!

Actually - he doesn't :)

http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/12/2255236

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Perl CGI For The World Wide Web

2001-06-09 Thread Dave Cross

Remember the discussion some months ago about what a horrible book this
was?

Well, I've been exchanging emails with the author since slagging her off
big-time on Amazon. Somehow I've managed to make her thing that my input
is useful and I've just received a copy of the second edition of the book.

* Every example uses /usr/bin/perl -wT

* Every example uses strict (and, therefore, my)

* Every example used CGI::param

I consider this a massive improvement.

Dave...

p.s Oh, and the acknowledgements page lists Dave Cross, who not only pointed
out the problems, but also helped me solve them :)




Re: Perl CGI For The World Wide Web

2001-06-09 Thread Dave Cross

On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 12:10:08PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Remember the discussion some months ago about what a horrible book this
  was?
  
  Well, I've been exchanging emails with the author since slagging her off
  big-time on Amazon. Somehow I've managed to make her thing that my input
  is useful and I've just received a copy of the second edition of the book.
 
 So how are the kiddiez taking it?

No response so far. I'll keep you posted :)

Dave...




Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-08 Thread Dave Cross

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Peter Haworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 Can someone please remind me about the technical meeting on the 21st? Now 
 that it looks like I might be in London at the time, I find I've deleted 
 all the relevant messages and can't remember if there's an archive.

Well, er..., there will be a meeting on the 21st. I spoke to Alex last 
night and he said we could hold it at State 51.

We'll start at about 7pm and people will be practiving TPC and YAPC::E 
talks.

Thanks about it for planning so far!

Dave...




Re: Social meet

2001-06-06 Thread Dave Cross

On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 04:59:26PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 
 Oki, assuming I don't get stranded in rush hour traffic (I'm only
 ickle), can find my way to the the PO (I used to do orienteering)
 and can recognise you lot, I shall see you tomorrow.  Tho' if
 anyone going has a mobile I'd appreciate the number just in case.

I'm on 07973 553385.

Dave...




Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT

2001-06-03 Thread Dave Cross

On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 04:45:45PM +0100, Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Dave, U still need last weeks video ?

Nope. All caught up now thanks.

Dave...




Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT

2001-06-02 Thread Dave Cross

On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 07:47:00AM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 
 
 
 *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* 
 *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* 
 *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she
 will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show credits/
 theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there would of been
 a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the wife she
 used the phrase ``clutching at straws''

Well, how about the argument that SMG has singed up for two more series?

Dave...




Re: Odd idiom

2001-05-29 Thread Dave Cross

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 11:20:04PM -0700, Paul Makepeace 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Why do people say inherits from the Foo::Bar manpage and not Foo::Bar
 module/class? I mean, how can something inherit from a lump of
 documentation? Is this one of those klutz kult phenomenon or something
 I'm not in on? :)

It's a bug (or maybe just a limitation) in the pod2man converter. If you say

  see LFoo::Bar for more information

then it's expanded to see the Foo::Bar manpage for more information. This is
fine mot of the time, but can occasionally lead to the kind of weirdness that
you describe above.

Dave...




Fwd: [info@yapceurope.org: YAPC::Europe conference, August 2-4, 2001, Amsterdam.]

2001-05-29 Thread London.pm - Dave Cross

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21

2001-05-26 Thread Dave Cross

At 14:31 25/05/2001, Leon Brocard wrote:
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:

  there is also an unofficial technical meet for practicing TPC talks
  on Saturday from noon at state51:

Just to confirm, this is still on. state51 is at 8-10 rhoda street,
london e2 7ef:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?P2M?P=E27EFZ=1

See you there, Leon

It seems I have Important Stuff To Do and therefore won't be there.

Have fun.

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Re: Decisions decisions

2001-05-26 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:57 25/05/2001, David Cantrell wrote:

/me falls off the edge

fxaaa ... SPLAT/fx

goons
He's fallen in the water.
/goons


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Re: Beer fest beckons

2001-05-24 Thread Dave Cross

At 23:00 24/05/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 03:28:49PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

  So I get a call on my mobile in the middle of the beer fest from a
  potential collaborator telling me he can't send me the promised
  documentation due to the fact my inbox has exploded spectacularly
  and exceeded my meagre disk quota.  Given that I'm far too busy drinking
  ale to go and faff around wth the university computing service, I shall
  temporarily unsubscribe.

THere is the option of cadging a shell account off of someone, with
no fascist disk quota ...

/me points out the irony of telling Lucy this onlist when she has 
unsubscribed :)

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Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-24 Thread Dave Cross

At 23:18 24/05/2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Barbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   I seem to remember an extremely soft porn-ish film with julie andrews
   at one stage, all i can remember is giant toy soldiers. I don't think
   porn is even the right title it was more just weird.
 
  You're thinking of the comedy S.O.B., where a film director decides his
  wife (played by Julie Andrews)should go topless to increase the film's
  rating and the director's flagging career. Oddly enough the film is 
 directed
  by Andrew's husband at the time, Blake Edwards. Life imitating art or visa
  versa?

but where there giant toy soldiers in it?

Yes.


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Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:37 22/05/2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed:

 I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means

If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are
you posting about it? The actual text is:

A future Conservative Government will repeal IR35 and replace it with
legislation that addresses genuine abuses.

Because, although I hadn't read the manifesto, I _had_ read the news 
stories when this piece of policy was announced about two months ago.

In other words, it'll be in the pockets of whichever lobby group pays
them most at the time, just as the Labour one was.

Exactly. What I object to is the contractors I hear saying that just 
because the Tories have said they'll abolish IR35 then they _must_ vote for 
them. Conveniently ignoring a few facts:

1/ The second half of the sentence states that it will be replaced by 
something else. And we really have no idea what it might be.

2/ Most intelligent people make up their minds who to vote for on the basis 
of more than one issue.

3/ Some contractors don't actually agree that IR35 is such a bad thing.

[snip oversized corporate disclaimer]

And get a shell account, why don't you?

Thanks. I already have several. And I can't get to any of them from within 
Acxiom without spending inordinate amounts of time doing things that I'm 
not being paid for. I will, however, spend some time this weekend trying to 
fix my webmail that my ISP broke somehow a couple of months ago.

Much as I'd love it if everyone was to be able to post to the list from 
their favourite Unix mail client all the time, I understand that is never 
going to happen. We are just going to accept that some people will always 
be forced to post using whatever email fuckwittage their company lands them 
with. Yes, there _are_ always round it, but some people don't have the time 
or knowledge to do that. This email client snobbery is getting too 
frequent. Just because someone is posting from an Exchange server, it 
doesn't necessarily mean that what they are saying is less valid.

I intended this group (and, by extension, this mailing list) to be 
inclusive. We should be encouraging people to use Perl, not scaring them 
off because they use the wrong email client.

Dave...
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Re: Buffy gear

2001-05-23 Thread Dave Cross

At 19:16 23/05/2001, Dean wrote:
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:18:23PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote:
  QVC are selling lots of Buffy gear, tune into QVC now, or check out the 
 wbesite

Charisma Carpenter 'Cordelia' Signed Photo £64...

Now i'm scared...

Far cheaper on Yahoo Auctions:

http://search.auctions.yahoo.com/search/auc?p=charisma+carpenteralocale=0ukacc=uk

Signed photos from £9.99.

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Re: POSIX::localeconv()/Germany

2001-05-23 Thread Dave Cross

At 20:18 23/05/2001, you wrote:
Anybody have experience with POSIX localization functions/clients in
Germany?

I've got a client in .de that wants prices to look like this:
DEM 1.234,00
i.e., the thousands sep is a . and the decimal is a ,.

The posix routines return a space for the thousands sep and a dot for
the decimal, so prices look like:
DEM 1 234.00

Do I just have weird clients or is $lconv-{thousands_sep} returning
the wrong value?

Mike,

Haven't tried the routine you're talking about, but if you ever decide to 
give up on them, the Number::Format module (from CPAN) will solve all of 
your problems.

Danke,

Bitte,

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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread Dave Cross

At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 
  Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then
  they're in for a big shock.

...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing
technical books... :-)

dha, used some of his editing money to buy a new guitar, though...

ITYM used his editing money to buy some of a new guitar :)

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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 12:12 19/05/2001, Robin Houston wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote:
  It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions
  of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari
  subscribers out there with an opinion?

Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/

Er do you _really_ want to advertise that on a list that contains 
people who work for O'Reilly?

Dave...
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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 01:46 20/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:20:31AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
  Who here has written a book?  Simon and Dave at least.  It's not easy,
  is it?

You're asking the wrong guy. I don't write books for money, I write
them to contribute information.

Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then 
they're in for a big shock.

Having said that tho', it _is_ nice to get at least some financial 
recompense for the months of next-to-no social life.

This is why, unlike some people, I don't blatantly plug my book at the
end of every mail.

:)

What. Like below

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Buffy - Argh!

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross


For some reason, on Friday night Sky One, NTL and my VCR all conspired 
against me to give me a recording of Buffy and Angel with perfect picture 
and no sound. I'm guessing that's not how they were intended to be seen.

If anyone can lend me a recording at some time this week I'd be most grateful.

Cheers,

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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:28 19/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:

  Robin Houston writes:
   Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/
 
  I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers,
  of all people, would advocate pirating the Camel.  Yeah, way to thank
  Larry!
 

I'm not entirely sure that anyone was actively advocating piracy.

I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books 
_is_ advocating piracy. YMMV.

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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 00:18 20/05/2001, Dean S Wilson wrote:

  I suppose the issue with books as PDF is that it leaves you wide open to 
rampant
  copying...

A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel 
thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website.

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Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 00:06 20/05/2001, James Powell wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:00:38AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
  Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
  
   The interesting bits are as follows;
 
  The really interesting bit was Mr Ford dancing around in his living
  room crowing because Sara Cox had read his name out on the radio.

Ahh Sara Cox - as deserving of her position in the FHM top 100 women
as she is of her £750K out of the license fee for two years blathering.

I'm sure I'm really in the minority here, but I can't be the only one who 
finds all this discussion of the FHM list distasteful. I've never really 
understood why intelligent men find it acceptable to objectify women in 
this way.

And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a woman (or man) was 
simply by looking at a photo.

Dave...
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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 10:14 20/05/2001, Barry Pretsell wrote:

  A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel
  thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website.

Why do Manning sell their books online as pdf files? and do they plan to
stop it now that rampant copying is taking place?

Two very good questions. But ones that are better addressed to Manning. 
I'll certainly be passing them on later today. I'll let you know what the 
responses are.

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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:

You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is
stealing copies of your book on line.

True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I have only ever used 
Napster to find copies of unavailable music.

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Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 10:52 20/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

  I'm sure I'm really in the minority here, but I can't be the only one who
  finds all this discussion of the FHM list distasteful. I've never really
  understood why intelligent men find it acceptable to objectify women in
  this way.

Although of course everyone objects most vociferously when Cosmo or some
similar magazines produce a list of 'The Worlds Sexiest Men'. :)

Ooh, look! Look! They're doing it to. Therefore it _must_ be alright!

Personally I find it just as objectionable, but funnily enough you don't it 
anywhere near as much.

  And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a woman (or man) was
  simply by looking at a photo.

Its in the eyes, Dave, its in the eyes.

See, I find it's in the personality. Which doesn't come across too well in 
glossy magazine.

  Dave...
  [disgruntled]

Yeah, we noticed. Bad Hangover ?-)

No. That was yesterday. Today I'm just ranting at the world for no good reason.

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Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross

At 20:50 20/05/2001, Mike Jarvis wrote:
Sunday, May 20, 2001, 3:19:47 AM, Dave Cross wrote:

DC And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a woman (or man) was
DC simply by looking at a photo.

This is really two questions:
1) Can you tell from looking at a photo if this is someone you'd like
to have a relationship with?  (No)

2) Can you tell from looking at a photo if this is someone you'd like
to have sex with?(Yes)

OK. Well that's where I'm getting confused then. By believing the sex is 
also a relationship (however fleeting!) I think that the answer to 2 is 
also 'No' :)

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Re: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:20 16/05/2001, Dean wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:08:17PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

  http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918

The economy took another downturn today as the few remaining London
based dot-coms utilized the last of their ever diminishing budgets in
an attempt to procure an item that would see off the vampire ^Hventure
capitalists. One of the companies to survive todays spending spree was
MagSol, the founder Dave was heard to say Willows better.

pedant type=grammar?
Actually, I'd say Willow's better.
/pedant

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RE: TPC Quiz Team

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Cross

At 13:45 17/05/2001, you wrote:
Cross David - dcross writes:
  Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have:
 
  The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language
  is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers

It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most
recent TPJ? :-)

It was a beginners guide to Arrays. Complete with examples drawing heavily 
on the world of Buffy.

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Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Dave Cross

At 15:27 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html
  Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK?

Don't ask me, you elected 'em. And it looks like you're all stupid enough
to do it *again*.

troll type=politics
I know, I know. Blair doesn't have a socialist bone in his body - it's been 
a _most_ disappointing four years, all i all.

But given that the Socialist Alliance are only standing in ~100 
constituencies, there doesn't seem to be any credible alternative.
/troll

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Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:22 13/05/2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:45:21PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 
   But given that the Socialist Alliance are only standing in ~100
   constituencies, there doesn't seem to be any credible alternative.
 
  http://www.socialistalliance.net/constituencies/constitlist.htm for the
  complete list.
 

ok i reserve the right to quit this thread at any time, however 

But hasn't `new' labour's example shown that there is no place for
socialism in modern government? Hasn't their move to capitalism been
really a well spun admission of defeat? How can any socialist not
feel that when it came to the crunch socialism was rejected by
intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits
intimitadly because they could see it would not work for modern
Britain?

I'm sure you understand that New Labour has _nothing_ to so with socialism 
in any form. What happened is that after 18 years of Tory government the 
politics of the country _had_ moved to the right and therefore to stand any 
chance of winning the last election, the Labour party thought they had to 
do the same. What they failed to realise, however, was the size of the 
country's disillusionment with the Tories. There really was no need to 
throw out all of the Party's principles. A smaller move to the right would 
have been all that was needed. They'd still have won, albeit with a smaller 
majority.

The problem is, of course, that they are now tied to these 'mini-Tory' 
principles and will find it very hard to go back on them. My hope is that 
either this time or in four/five years' time, the Tories will be almost 
completely wiped out or forced to split into two smaller parties. This will 
leave the Lib Dems as the only credible opposition party and, as they're 
currently more left wing than the Labour Party, British politics will 
rejoin much of Europe on the left of the political spectrum.

I only hope it's not too late.

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Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:38 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch 
 socialism was
  rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits
  intimitadly because they could see it would not work for modern Britain?

Which intelligent people who understood it would that be, then?

Take a look around you. This list, being representative of the Perl 
community, tends towards the intelligent end of the spectrum. And from what 
I've gathered from the conversations I've had with people here, the vast 
majority of us tend towards the left[1].

Dave...
[1] Cue indignant emails from the half-dozen of so right-wingers I know on 
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Re: Traditional music (was Re: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

2001-05-12 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:36 12/05/2001, you wrote:

I prefer trad English. And I really prefer trad. English vocal,
preferably without instruments...

Known amongst many of my friends as The Ballad Of God Knows Who[1]

Dave...

[1] Part of an affectionate classification of folk music into just two 
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Fwd: YAPC::Europe reminders, and requests for help (fwd)

2001-05-11 Thread Dave Cross


FYI, Ann is one of the Y::E committee this year.

Dave...

Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:13:49 +0200 (CEST)
From: Ann Barcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: YAPC::Europe reminders, and requests for help (fwd)

You talked about giving London.pm a push.  I figured I'd send you the
letter I just sent Amsterdam.pm...maybe some parts of it can be re-used.

Atm we're short on both full-length and lightning talks.

Ann

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:23:44 +0200 (CEST)
From: Ann Barcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Amsterdam PM mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: YAPC::Europe reminders, and requests for help

I just wanted to remind everyone that the deadline for speech proposals
for YAPC::Europe is in less than 3 weeks, on 1 June.

If you hadn't really thought about giving a speech because you don't think
you could fill the entire time, or you're worried about speaking, consider
giving a lightning talk.  With only 5 minutes of time to fill, you could
probably compose your speech during the conference!  Just send a title
and 1 line about the topic to [EMAIL PROTECTED].  Or just mail
if you can commit to giving a lightning talk, even if you haven't thought
of a topic yet.

We're still looking for sponsors.  If you know of companies that might
be willing to sponsor the conference, mail Jouke [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Publicity is another area where we could use help.  Suggestions and
contacts for flyer distribution (such as at other conferences, meetings,
etc) can be sent to me.

Thanks,
Ann
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Re: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

2001-05-09 Thread Dave Cross

At 16:56 09/05/2001, you wrote:
Cross David - dcross writes:
  Well, I prefer stuff with lyrics, but enjoy almost any kind of Irish (and
  English) folk music.

The CDs on high rotation right now are:

   Brendan Begley, We Won't Go Home 'Til Morning
   Green Linnet Artists, Green Linnet Records: The 20th Anniversary
 Collection
   Kevin Burke, Sweeney's Dream
   Kevin Burke, In Concert
   Kevin Burke, Up Close
   Lúnasa, Lúnasa

Some names there that I don't know, but will be checking out. I bet the 
Green Linnet compilation is good.

  What are you doing between TPC and Y::E? You sound like the kind of person
  who would really enjoy the Cambridge Folk Festival
  http://www.cam-folkfest.co.uk/.

That looks great (and it pointed me to The Black Cat Theory, a banjo
band I will watch), but it's too far away.  As I'm sure you'll agree,
the flight between California and London is one that you want to make
as few times as possible.

I assumed you could stop in on the way to Amsterdam :)

However, Dublin is closer.  Dublin, Ohio that is.
   http://www.dublinirishfestival.org/

It has some bands I've heard of (Altan, Cherish the Ladies, Martin 
Dennis) and might be a lot of fun.  Downside is that it's Ohio :-)

I've seen (and enjoyed) both Altan and Cherish The Ladies.

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Re: Buffy musings ...

2001-05-08 Thread Dave Cross

At 18:10 08/05/2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:
... I wonder how hard it would be to get Faith or Charisma Carpenter
or one of those other minor characters to do a meet'n'greet at TPC.
I suspect they're hard to dislodge from LA, but it might still be
worth a try[1].  I'm tracking down their agents now.

Try Kate from 'Angel' too. Please.

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Re: Buffy musings ...

2001-05-08 Thread Dave Cross

At 18:26 08/05/2001, Dean wrote:
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:20:33PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

  Whilst we're (kinda) on the topic, can I have a reminder of
  who's going to yapc.  I'm still umm-ing and ahh-ing over whther I can
  afford it (us phud students suffer for our science).

I'm interested in going to YAPC, is London PM going as a group or is it all
just ad-hoc?

What do you _honestly_ think the answer to that question will be?

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Re: Buffy musings ...

2001-05-08 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:59 08/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

  At 18:26 08/05/2001, Dean wrote:
  On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:20:33PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
  
Whilst we're (kinda) on the topic, can I have a reminder of
who's going to yapc.  I'm still umm-ing and ahh-ing over whther I can
afford it (us phud students suffer for our science).
  
  I'm interested in going to YAPC, is London PM going as a group or is 
 it all
  just ad-hoc?
 
  What do you _honestly_ think the answer to that question will be?

I _honestly_ believe that if the will is there we *will* get it together
as a group to go :)

I'll believe it when I see it!

I'm still just trying to find a reasonably priced hotel with a proper bar 
... :)

The organising committee are trying to get the details of the dorms in the 
school. These will be a) very cheap and b) very close to the venue.

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Re: More revolting natives

2001-05-04 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:56 04/05/2001, Dean wrote:

Does the author of the book take an interest in the web group? I'd hope
she'd be on there correcting him.

She's around occasionally. She's a bit busy at the moment - getting the 
next edition finished before her baby is born later this month.

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Fwd: perl jobs page and list

2001-05-02 Thread Dave Cross


Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:15:40 -0400
From: Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: perl jobs page and list
Reply-to: Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


pm group leaders:

please forward this to your local pm groups.

as some of you may know there have been a perl jobs announce and wanted
lists hosted on pm.org. those lists have been merged and moved to the
perl.org site. there are now these two lists:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

which is moderated and is only for posting of both job openings and
situations wanted.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

which is not moderated and is meant to discuss the perl jobs list and
web site as well and any other perl job related topics.

go to jobs.perl.org for information on how to subscribe and the posting
guidelines. if your pm group has a home page you might want to link to
this page.

the page and list are for perl jobs worldwide. telecommuting, relocation
and other options are common so don't think you have to be in a
particular goegraphic location to participate. also agencies and HR
types are welcome too. spread the word about this page and list to any
of those you know who deal with the perl job market.

thanx,

uri

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Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-05-01 Thread Dave Cross

At 19:53 30/04/2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

I've got someone needing a form to mail script. Where's ours[0]?

Ta,

Dave

[0] Oh, all right, yours since I bottled out.

Current version is at 
http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/notmatt/formmail.pl.txt but it needs some 
tightening up and peer review.

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RE: Re: Review of Data munging with Perl on Slashdot

2001-04-26 Thread Dave Cross


From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4/26/01 9:30:01 PM

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Niklas Nordebo wrote:

 Gets a 9, apparently.

 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/26/1229238mode=thread


For $deities sake dont tell Dave ...

Too late!

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RE: Tech mtg?

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross

At 17:08 18/04/2001, jo walsh wrote:

  this all gives me a creeping sense of deja type

yeah, i've just looked and realised it says almost exactly the same thing
on the website, except in more detail:
http://london.pm.org/WhatDo.shtml

Did _I_ do that? Whatever happened to my memory? (rhetorical!)

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The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross


Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago. Simon 
mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and seemed 
uncomfortable with me being there.

Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at 
me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

Enjoy,

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
  
 
  JS! stop it i'm replying!

LOL at Greg's post.

Greg++



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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
  
 
  JS! stop it i'm replying!

LOL at Greg's post.

And now this in a new thread:

"Usually BK is the right one. And from what I see, the codes your are 
handing out are a bumch of BS. The codes maybe right but they are a long 
way of doing things and I agree with BK. The help you give out is really 
not that great."

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:13 18/04/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

  At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

   
JS! stop it i'm replying!
  
  LOL at Greg's post.
 
  Greg++
 

You've upset them now :

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4473

I dunno. You try to do a nice thing for people

Some of the most fun on the board can be found by reading member's personal 
profiles:

bk:http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=bk
Chris: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=chris

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Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads

2001-04-14 Thread Dave Cross

At 10:25 14/04/2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  
   ooh .. that reminds me .. the Census man has just dropped a form in .. I
   didn't reallise it was this year .. excellent .. now dont forget .. your
   religion is 'Jedi' ok ?
  
 
  WHy not 'Perl Monger' ?

because for it to be accepted as an official religion (whatever the hell
that is) you need 20,000 people in the country to claim to follow it ..
then it gets all the usual benfits of being able to claim anti-jedi
discrimination, the right to bring a light sabre to work, extra days
holiday because The Force is weak today etc. I cant quite see 20,000 Perl
Mongers .. but hey .. I could be wrong

The number quoted in the email was 200,000 - but that apparently applies in 
New Zealand where this idea started. Someone changed NZ to UK on the email 
without checking facts. On the UK Census, no religion except the ones 
listed will be counted. All of the 'others' will be counted in one bucket. 
so, IMHO, you'd be far better off demonstrating to our horribly Xtian 
government just how many of us are atheist.

Sorry to spoil the fun!

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread Dave Cross

At 19:16 09/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

  might be nice to have status reports from:
 
  * The t-shirt committee

There has been movement on this!

I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the
darker regions of the galaxy.

I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.

Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical 
 meeting
  on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
  7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
  soon.
 
Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(

If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil,

Thanks for warning me.

Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
it up from Sussex?

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Re: Books

2001-04-04 Thread Dave Cross

At 19:01 04/04/2001, David H. Adler wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:26:02AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  Wanderering around Charing Cross Road last night I picked up a couple 
 of new
  Perl books, "Writing CGI Applications with Perl" by Kevin Meltzer  Brent
  Michalski and "Instant Perl Modules" by Doug Sparling and Frank Wiles.

That second one has an *excellent* acknowledgements page... :-)

Heh! I know, I saw it :)

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RE: Books

2001-04-04 Thread Dave Cross

At 19:58 04/04/2001, Doug Sparling wrote:
  Dave...
  [wondering how he gets to be a technical editor]

 My experience suggests it may have something to do with being in the
 right place at the right time... :)

Same goes for authoring -:)

Oh, I know that :)

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:12 03/04/2001, you wrote:
Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
and no-one told me?

Yeah. Sorry. We should probably make that clearer :)

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Re: Social Meeting

2001-04-02 Thread Dave Cross

At 20:57 02/04/2001, you wrote:
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:35:13PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote:

  On Thu Mar 29 03:13:59 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 
   Can someone product a set of simple instructions on how to get there.
 
  Could someone please post the directions before Thursday.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=532459Y=180389A=YZ=1

And now on the web site. Apologies for general crapness in not getting this 
done earlier.

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Web Server Configuration

2001-04-02 Thread Dave Cross

Does anyone know anything about the configuration of the Zeus web server? 
It's the web server that my main web hosts use and it's all getting a bit 
confusing.

You may remember last week when I posted the URL of my Not-Matt scripts, in 
http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/notmatt/. Gellyfish pointed out that the 
web server was configured to execute the scripts - even tho they weren't in 
the cgi-bin. This has lead to the following interchange with tech support...

I wrote this:

=

I have a Perl script in

http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/webmail.pl

As it`s not in my cgi-bin directory I`d expect to be shown the source of 
the script when I access this page. Instead the web server tries to run the 
script (and gives an error as the execute flag is not set). Even right 
clicking on a link and choosing `save as` seems to execute the script 
rather than delivering the source.

Allowing executable scripts outside of /cgi-bin seems like a potential 
security problem to me and it`s certainly not how I`d expect to see a web 
server configured.

Can you please check that my servers are configured so that only scripts in 
the /cgi-bin directory are executed. The default content type for all other 
directories should be text/plain.

Thanks,



to which, I got the following response:



ok you are now restricted to designated cgi directorys, and no it is not as 
dangerous as you may think the only way people can gain access to add 
scripts is to use your username and password to upload the script in the 
first place, plus someone has to find your webserver and also have the 
knowledge to be able to get past my security on the server. this brings it 
down to probably a handfull of people in the uk or usa that have these 
skills, and luckily i know most of these people so i think your sites safe.

ken

sorry to waffle on sometimes i turn off the bofh head.



Which is pretty scary, all in all :) After this I just started getting 
"Access Denied" errors on the script, so I send the following:



Ken,

The configuration changes you made don`t seem to have worked properly. I 
now get an access denied error when I try to view 
http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/ms-webmail.pl. The configuration that I`d 
like is:

any URL within htdocs - deliver file to client
any URL within cgi-bin - execute file and deliver output to client

This is the default setup for Apache - is Zeus really different?

Cheers,

===

and got this response

===

well you cant have both scripts are either run from cgi-bin or from other 
desinated directorys or all. i can add that one directory as script execute 
enabled but that info will be lost if i ever reinstall the webserver, I 
have to keep things the same for all websites or things will be worse than 
now for keeping track of customers changes.

so i can put it back to how it was or i can add the path to scripts which 
will be lost if i restore a backup or we can revert to the old config.

hope that helps you see the problems i have with 8 domains to look 
after i do not want to mix and match website configurations and i need one 
that works for all.

ken

==

I can, of course, see his problems with 80,000 virtual servers (!) to look 
after. But am I right in thinking he's completely missed my point?

So if anyone can let help me understand Zeus configuration so that I can 
explain to Ken what I want in terms he'll understand, then I'd be eternally 
grateful. I might even buy a beer.

Dave...


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Re: Web Server Configuration

2001-04-02 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:56 02/04/2001, you wrote:
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:45:59PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:

  As it`s not in my cgi-bin directory I`d expect to be shown the source of
  the script when I access this page. Instead the web server tries to run 
 the
  script (and gives an error as the execute flag is not set). Even right
  clicking on a link and choosing `save as` seems to execute the script
  rather than delivering the source.

I do hope that you were acting the stupid-user role there ;-)  Of *course*
it does the same thing regardless of which mouse button you use.  They're
all GET requests, the choice of mouse button just makes the browser behave
in a different manner.

Yeah. Just trying to find out how much he knew.

  Allowing executable scripts outside of /cgi-bin seems like a potential
  security problem to me and it`s certainly not how I`d expect to see a web
  server configured.

It's how I configure my servers, and I don't see any particular security
holes.  Of course, I can trust my users not to upload malware, and the
web server has very few rights.  If I want people to download the source to
one of my files instead of executing it, I turn off execute permissions.
There are times when I want them to do *both*, so I have the one file
(eg demo-code.pl) and reference it with two URLs, demo-code.pl and
demo-code.pl.src.  The .src URL fails (no such file) so goes to a custom
404 handler, which Does The Right Thing.  Actually, you can do that with
any file on my webshite.  I see no problem with giving people access to
all the source.  Any passwords and the like get pulled in from files outside
the web hierarchy.

I know. We had this discussion recently. It's not really the security 
aspect that bothers me - more that they seem incapable of configuring a web 
server in a way that is so common and so obvious.

  to which, I got the following response:
 
  ok you are now restricted to designated cgi directorys, and no it is 
 not as
  dangerous as you may think the only way people can gain access to add
  scripts is to use your username and password to upload the script in the
  first place, plus someone has to find your webserver and also have the
  knowledge to be able to get past my security on the server. this brings it
  down to probably a handfull of people in the uk or usa that have these
  skills, and luckily i know most of these people so i think your sites safe.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!

Yep. That was the _really_ scary part :)

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Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:08:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
  At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 But look at your headers:
  References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 Where's [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave?

You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
it today.

Dave...
[who handily has his copy of "Programming Internet Email" on his desk]



Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross

At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
  strong.
  
  And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer
  in London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just
  started charging for tests.
 
 Do they still claim that I'm the best perl programmer in the UK? If so
 it's completely bloody surreal...

According to brainbench, this is a list of the 1o best Perl programmers
in the UK. How many names do _you_ recognise?

4.82 Piers Cawley 
4.71 Matthew Robinson 
4.67 Rob Partington 
4.66 Dave Cross 
4.61 Steve Keay 
4.6 Ben Bell 
4.53 David Bloomfield 
4.49 Christof Damian 
4.46 Nick Cleaton 
4.46 Maurice Buxton 

Dave...




Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 
  And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
  I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description 
  would be that it parses approximate Perl.
 
 Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it 
 to work' redundant ?

Well, not just "any old shit" - just how mad do you think I am?[1]. But 
maybe it would deal with the occasional typo. Or perhaps keywords in a 
different language... or something like that.

 Crack Head.

Thank you :)

Dave..

[1] Rhetorical!



Happy

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross


I'm very happy this afternoon. I've just seen a copy of my book on
a shelf in a bookshop[1]. That's the first time I've seen it in the 
wild. Of course, I'd have been happier if someone had been buying it :)

Dave...

[1] It was Books etc. at Monument if anyone wants to rush out and buy 
it!



Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
  ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating 
  tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java.
 
 Wait until TPC.

Sounds interesting. Care to elucidate?



Re: yapc::Europe::19101?

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:38:51 +0200, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Has anyone else heard anything about yapc::Europe::19101?

Yeah. Dates and venues and stuff have been announced. And there was 
a CFP. It's all on http://www.yapc.org/Europe/.

 ISTR dimly that last year around this time you lot were further down 
 the road in organising things than what I see now. 

I really don't think that's true. My memory is that nothing was
organised until about July. I may be romanticising tho' :)

 This may have been due to the open yapc mailing list where one could 
 see "things happening" -- even if the "things happening" was 
 only "another meeting to try to find a venue". Amsterdam has a venue, 
 but I don't think they have a public mailing list yet, where one can 
 ask about hotels, etc. The website is pretty sparse as well.

They were talking about resurrecting the existing public list. Feel
free to post questions to it and see if you get a response.

 Is anyone here going to be in Amsterdam? 

I will. And, probably, a large contingent of the usual suspects.

 Probably arrive Wednesday, leave Sunday.

 Decided where you're going to stay yet?

Nah. That's months away :)

Dave...



Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:33:16 -0500, "David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:37:14PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
  David H. Adler wrote:
   What, no CiP rating???
  
  Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty
  straightforward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well 
  hijack the Convert::Base32 module for the purpose.
 
 Maybe we should implement a pCiP rating, for *potential* for CiP, 
 based on how marvellously deranged a program is conceptually...

Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)

Dave...



Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:38:16 +0100 (BST), Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
  Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
  proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
 
 You are an evil man.

You know I'm going to take that as a compliment :)

Dave...



Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
  
  Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk 
  proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
 
 What does it do?

It, er... parses Perl.

Approximately.

Dave...
[I may practice the talk at the next technical meeting]



Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At 18:52 28/03/2001, you wrote:
Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and
they say they're booked out next Thursday.

OK. Looks like it's back to the PO next Thursday then people.

Dave...



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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At 20:47 28/03/2001, you wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
   problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of
   things.
 
  Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that.
 

My favourite solution in business when you are faced with the problem
of people not wanting you to implement something or not being sure
about it and wanting a period of consideration is as follows ...

fuck it, just do it

(who says i couldn't work for nike)

I'd suggest that it is a reasonable working assumption that both
NetThink, Iterative and other Perl Consultancies/Trainers want to
make money. I'd also state the assumption that if proposed to the
wider Perl community - Perl certification would go back into
argument state, so I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we
form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will
sign up to teach to a given level of skills (or several levels).

This process _has_ to be open and should have a deadline. If we
can get something that helps london / south england and/or the UK
then we can achieve something.

I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps
Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that
they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo
forum/organisation does this)

I realise this action and the attitude may not be popular on
the wider stage, but ho hum.

Thoughts? If Simon (NetThink), Piers/Leon (Iterative), Dave Cross
(with his london.pm hat on) and a couple of companies that use
Perl say this is a good idea, i think we can do this.

Got my blessing - for what it's worth.

Dave...



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Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

[Certification things]

Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow
- thoughts ?

There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while 
back. Don't know if it still exists tho' - been quiet for a while.

Dave...



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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:19 28/03/2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At 21:24 28/03/2001, Simon wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
  problems with Perl work in london,

http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
strong.

And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in 
London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started 
charging for tests.

Bugger! I'm not any more. Matthew Robinson has beaten me into second place.

Dave...
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Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:44 28/03/2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
  There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while
  back.

Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers?

No. There was definitely a perlcert as well. I've got about 60 mails from 
it from Mar/Apr last year. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Don't know if it still exists tho' - been quiet for a while.

Nothing on lists.perl.org, anyhow.

I'll ask Skud next time I see her on IRC.

Dave...



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Social Meeting

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross


OK. Bowing to pressure from the heretics - we'll go to the Anchor next
Thursday. Never let it be said that I don't listen to the little 
people :)

Can someone product a set of simple instructions on how to get there.

And the only suggestion I've had so far for the technical meeting on the
19th is a return to State 51. If I have no more suggestions before the
weekend then that's what we'll do.

Oh, and consider this a call for speakers at the technical meeting.

Dave...



Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:08:04 +0100, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 at cebit, BT devices crashed and burned - why? they had been rushed
 out. BT is essentially a good technology if done right, the same is
 true for web sites, the industry just needs to slow its self down

'BT' eq 'Bluetooth'
'BT' ne 'BT'

For those who misparsed that the way I did when I first read it :)

Dave...



Re: originality

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:41:05 +0100, Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sunday morning Perl advocacy at Speaker's Corner

This _really_ should happen.

Dave...



Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross

At 00:07 27/03/2001, you wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Ooh good. I got one of them for Christmas and still haven't gotten 
 around to
  drinking it. Not sure I'll like it though, because Italian reds tend to be
  very thin, and I like chewy wines. We'll see.
 

I don't want to sound like a twat, but it may be too late already so here
goes, one of the things i hate about going out to a italian restaurant
is the wine.

Nonsense. You just order the most expensive Barolo on the wine list.

Dave...
[Who doesn't understand this fascination with white wine - nasty stuff]



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Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:39:34 +0200, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is 
  to make it relate to buffy in some way :)
 
 That reminds me of an idea I had this morning on the way to work -- 
 encode text using "Buffy" with uppercase and lowercase letters: 
 uppercase letters stand for "0" bits and lowercase letters for "1" 
 bits. (Or, if you prefer, bit 5 / 2**5 / 32 of each character 
 represents the bit to be encoded.) Then you just have to chop the 
 message into 5-bit chunks (adding 0 bits at the end if needed to pad 
 to a 5-bit boundary) and translate.

I'm pretty sure I've seen something like this before. You encode text
using the word 'moo'. I think it used upper and lower case 'o' and also
a zero. I'm sure there was a web page somewhere that converted text
to and from 'moo's.

Or maybe I dreamt it.

Dave...



Helping Less... er... Able... Programmers

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross


I've developed this weird habit of hanging around places where less
able Perl programmers congregate and trying to distribute clues.

The latest place I've found is the BBS for readers of Liz Castro's
book. It certainly gives you some perspective[1] on her target
audience.

Here's an example response to a question (the question used 
for (;;;) loops:

=

Erm, My eyes keep darting to your FOR loops. For is mainly used in javascript, and 
perl doesnt handle them, mainly because of the semicolons used to split the 
operations. Instead of for, use foreach, because thats close to the perl equivalent of 
for. I'm not sure exactly what that would translate to into perl, but if you want to 
do something in a foreach loop, it would look like 

foreach $ArrayItemYouNeedToChange (@TheArray) { 
#do this 
} 

Remember, for loops are for JS, not perl. You cant use semicolons in perl, unless 
theyre before a carriage return. 

=

I particularly like the last bit about where it's legal to use
semicolons in Perl.

When the original poster pointed out that there were for loops in
Castro's book, he got the response:

=

Hrm. I Dont really know. Email xxx@xxx Thats VulKen's email. He's the only one on this 
board thats better than me, except Liz. 

=

A couple of days ago I suggested that the CGI::param function was
better than someone's homegrown CGI parser (radical notion, I know!)
and got this response:

=

Problem with the param() is securityusers can enter malicious things that'll cause 
havoc...which isnt very good at all really :) 

=

I've asked for further clarification, but none has been forthcoming.

Anyway, I didn't want to keep this delight to myself. If anyone wants
to join in my fun, the board is at:

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl

Share  Enjoy,

Dave...

[1] "Yeah, too _much_ fuckin' perspective" - name that film.



Re: April Meetings

2001-03-26 Thread Dave Cross

At Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:20:41 +0100, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 07:25:39AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 
  Thanks for the offer Simon, but I've already postponed this meeting 
  once and am loathe to do it again.
 
 Shame :-(  I was hoping to be able to make it to my first non-Damian 
 tech meet, but my sister's visiting that evening.

And you don't think she'd like to come along?

Dave...



Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-26 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:46 26/03/2001, you wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

  At Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:21:52 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
  
I've had a bit of a go at some of these today and they're up at
http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/notmatt/ if anyone's interested.
   
  
   You might want to change the content-type on that directory as I get a
   funny error :)
 
  Hmm... What error are you getting? Works ok for me.


Script execution error



Unable to execute script due to a configuration problem.
Please notify the webmaster of this error.

exec() returned: 13: Permission denied

OK. When I said "works", I hadn't actually tried to _view_ on of the scripts.

I've renamed them to .pl.txt and it seems to work now. PowerHost seem to 
have that server configured in a really weird way - I'll get on to them later.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Now, do you know why [EMAIL PROTECTED] has suddenly be subscribed to this 
list? I keep getting everything twice?

Dave...



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April Meetings

2001-03-25 Thread Dave Cross

The April meetings are approaching and we have no firm plans for them yet.

The social meeting will be on April 5th. Last plan I remember was that 
mstevens was going to investigate booking the cellar bar at the Cittie of 
Yorke. Did that happen?

The technical meeting is on April 19th. Can anyone volunteer somewhere for 
us to hold it. We need room for about 30-40 people, a white wall and an 
internet connection.

Also, we'll need speakers for the technical meeting. If you've got anything 
cool to tell us about, please let me know. It may be a good opportunity to 
practice TPC or YAPC talks.

Dave...



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Re: upgrade fund

2001-03-25 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:17 25/03/2001, you wrote:

unless anyone has any arguments, i'll buy a fast, reliable largish hard
drive and lots of memory (i understand it's cheap at the moment) for
penderel (the computer) this week.

i'd like to do it via dabs.com, because their interface is useable and
i've not personally had any problems with them.  i'll pick only in-stock
stuff because i understand that they can be slacker than they advertise
when it comes to re-stocking.  jo would hopefully oversee the process so i
don't end up ordering bananas by mistake.

are the mungers happy with this approach?  or would you prefer bananas?

Sounds good to me.

Can we have bananas too?

Dave...
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Re: April Meetings

2001-03-25 Thread Dave Cross

At 23:52 25/03/2001, you wrote:
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 06:44:43PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
  Also, we'll need speakers for the technical meeting. If you've got 
 anything
  cool to tell us about, please let me know. It may be a good opportunity to
  practice TPC or YAPC talks.

I can always do a talk or two, if anyone wants to listen, but not on the 19th.
26th would be fine.

Thanks for the offer Simon, but I've already postponed this meeting once 
and am loathe to do it again.

Some other time, perhaps.

Dave...



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RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

2001-03-23 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:31:25 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:30:19 -, Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   For even more points: What was the first TV show the Lenny Henry 
   appeared on?
  
  Ironically for "right-on" Lenny, it was The Black And White 
  Minstrel Show.
 
 Hmm... now you've gone and made me doubt myself. I thought it was
 New Faces.

According to http://members.tripod.com/~cmarshall/lenny.html, I'm
right. New Faces was first, then The Fosters and Tiswas and only later,
The Black  White Minstrel Show.

Dave...



Re: That book

2001-03-23 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:37:51 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 L. said:
 
  World domination is ours.  Muahahaha!
 
 Not if we can't come up with a good name for not matt's script 
 archive it won't be.
 
 Ideas to the usual address.
 
 *Please*

I thought that 'EasyScripts' (or, even, 'EZScripts') had most people's
approval. I thought it ws alright - well, taking the target audience
into account :)

Dave...



Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:05 +, celia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David H. Adler wrote:
 
  On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote:
  
  / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :)
  
  But... why??
 
 Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The 
 answer to both is that I'll only post if I have something useful to 
 contribute, and seeing as I'm new to perl, that won't be too often.

Hmm... not sure I understand what Perl has got to do with most of the 
discussions on this list :)

What fo you know about Buffy?

 Hm, seems I've just broken my own rule :)

Isn't that what rules are for?

Dave...



Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
 
  And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be 
  free).
  
  You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
 
 Eugh.  perl -d:ptkdb please.

Yeah. Now use that when you only have telnet access to your development
system :-/

 Now with added pointy and clickyness.

Now with added Ludditeness.

Dave...



Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross

At 22 Mar 2001 09:02:31 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
   
And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be 
free).

You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
   
   Eugh.  perl -d:ptkdb please.
  
  Yeah. Now use that when you only have telnet access to your 
  development system :-/
 
 Not even ssh?

Not sure they can even spell 'ssh' here :)

Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95. I access a number
of IBM AIX machines using putty. When I first joined, I asked about the
possibility of getting Exceed installed, but was told that having an
X server on a PC would generate too much network traffic.

All external internet requests from the PCs go thru a bastard fascist
filtering proxy. Only HTTP and email gets out as far as I can see.

The firewall around the AIX boxes is even worse. Nothing gets thru 
unless you've asked the network people to put a specific hole in the
firewall. Oh, and there's no external DNS on these boxes so you can only
access stuff if you know the IP address.

Grrr

Dave...



Re: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago?
 
 The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at 
 the February social meeting?

It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web (Visual Quickstart Guide)" 
by Elizabeth Castro

I've just rememebered that I put my review on your site as well.

Having exchanged emails with the author and studied the book far more
closely, I've come to the conclusion that it's nowehere near as bad as
I thought. I've asked Amazon to remove the review and should probably 
get Waterstones to do the same.

Don't get me wrong - it's not a good book by any means, it's just not
_as_ bad as I originally said.

Dave...




RE: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:53:12 -, "Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months =
  ago?
 
  The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around 
  at the February social meeting?
 
 Dave Cross replied:
 It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web (Visual Quickstart 
 Guide)" 
 
 by Elizabeth Castro
 
 I've just rememebered that I put my review on your site as well.
 
 Having exchanged emails with the author and studied the book far more
 closely, I've come to the conclusion that it's nowehere near as bad 
 as I thought. I've asked Amazon to remove the review and should 
 probably get Waterstones to do the same.
 
 Don't get me wrong - it's not a good book by any means, it's just not
 _as_ bad as I originally said.
 
 Fair enough - I just fancied reading your review :=AC)

Well, it's still on the Waterstones site atm, but I'd appreciate it if
you could lose it.

It's part of a kind of deal that we struck. She agreed to listen to my
suggestions if I stopped slagging her off in public :)

My current target is "Open Source Linux Web Programming" by
Christopher Jones and Crew Batchelor. You can see my review of _that_
at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764546198/. I've been
exchanging emails with one of the authors, who has already admitted
that they don't really "get" Perl and were far more interested in the
Java chapters later on.

Dave...



Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:56:16 +0100, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Robin Houston wrote:
use POSIX 'strftime';
print "The date is ", strftime("%m-%d-%y", localtime()), "\n";
 
 Or, for those who want to type even less, strftime accepts a '%D' 
 format specifier on at least some platforms, which does %m/%d/%y for 
 you (which is probably used more widely than %m-%d-%y, anyway). From 
 `man strftime` on penderel:
 
%D Equivalent  to  %m/%d/%y.  (Yecch  -  for Americans
   only.  Americans should note that  in  other  coun­
   tries %d/%m/%y is rather common. This means that in
   international context this format is ambiguous  and
   should not be used.) (SU)
 
 (SU) appears to mean that this comes from the Single Unix standard.

I'm guessing that the author of Date::MMDDYY went for dashes rather
than slashes because the string was going to be used in a filename.

I emailed the author today with a list of his errors. I pointed out 
that I was doing him a favour as he was becoming the laughing stock of 
the Perl community. I forgot to mention that it was me who brought the
module to the attention of the Perl community :x

Dave...
[who, on reflection, may be getting a bit _too_ bitchy]



Re: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross

At 19:01 22/03/2001, you wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
  But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?
^^
I don't understand.

I think you'll find in it the dictionary as the definition of "oxymoron".

Dave...



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Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-21 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:37:32 + (GMT), AEF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Simon Wilcox wrote:
 
  I thought I'd look this up, but the BSI want 50 quid for a copy.
  
  I appreciate this is how they make money to fund the standards work 
  but it seems a tad steep for the casual viewer such as myself.
  
  Anyone know of a free online resource ?
 
  Useful Summary: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html
  Standard: ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/g1smd/8601v03.pdf 
 
  Google is Good[tm].

Looks like you _can_ get it directly from ISO by going to:

http://www.iso.ch/markete/8601.pdf

Dave...



Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:57 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K.  
 To be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I
 suggested asking you lot.
 
 We've been looking through a Learning Tree catalog, but that's purely
 because they're the last company to send us some dead tree on the 
 matter.

As far as I can see, none of the scheduled courses in the UK are much cop.

What do you need? If you can get three or four people interested in
doing the same course and can supply a suitable room, then Iterative
would be only too happy to help you out.

Dave...



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