Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel. Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)! still thats not bad what i think they do is start cheap then slowly raise the price as seats get booked up i'm wondering how many London.pm are going to be on this flight shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they? please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-) There is a semi-decent bar at Gatwick airport anyhow .. we can even stand outside the business lounge and wave in at Dave Cross who will be stroking his gold plated cat and enjoying a gimlet -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle of it - this is your security. Now, imagine the chest is buried in the field, and no-one saw me bury it. This is my security. Snip enormous security through obscurity tirade However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that you should of let me know, and we could of played MP, the same goes for any other BG2 or freeciv (just for you *nix compulsives) players out there. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I play Herod in a school play once. Go figure. Aargh...played. Maybe I should go and imbibe some of that caffeine stuff. For what its worth I saw nothing wrong with your original message. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Accomodation for YAPC::Europe
Jouke is currently arranging reasonably priced hotel accomodation for London.pm. He needs you to fill out the little informal form he posted on YAPC::Europe's mailing list. This is an excellent way to get your accomodation arranged quickly and easily and end up spending time in a hotel with other mongers (that is mean't to be a plus point). People can also share twin rooms to reduce the cost further. I'm note sure, but I'd imagine there is some limit on the number of spaces that will end up being available. Especially when you consider room configurations. Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Templating Solutions
Friends, HELP! In a moment of stupidity[1] I agreed to write an article for lathos on templating solutions for Perl. This was an attempt to finally break my writing block/issues/mindset problems. It is going to be a compare and contrast article and so far I've looked at, Template Toolkit HTML::Mason Text::Template HTML::Template HTML::Embperl First, are there any others that I should look at? Also I'd really like any objective input people have about templating with these modules. It is important to me to try and not just get the article done and dusted, but for once to write a piece of text that I am happy with. Greg [1] I get lots. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Templating Solutions
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? i think it one of two schools of thought is your template a Template or a Rich Template by Rich Template i mean it has some programming language type structures such as loops i think, if i recall my limited research correctly, MJD talks about this in the pod for Text::Template under the section Philosophy Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit
* Niklas Nordebo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:38:44AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is going to go round killing every peasant in the land to find the one with the treasure. See also the way diamonds are transported around Hatton Garden (i.e. in people's pockets, not in securicor vans). And if you have a rouge stone worth 1500 gold you shouldn't put it in a chicken while a shady guy is watching, since said shady guy might tell some feisty adventurers about it for a small fee. Especially if you live in Umar Hills. you know that game far to well! ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit
* Niklas Nordebo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:11:39PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: you know that game far to well! ;-) Probalby. While we're on the subject of computer games I recently found Civilization: Call to power on sale at HMV. Since I didn't like Civ 2 I'd been sceptical, but it was only five quid so I picked it up, and the let the box lie unopened for a couple of weeks, than I opened it and started playing last week and now I'm seriously addicted. you should play freeciv 64 bytes from 212.78.195.170: icmp_seq=2 ttl=236 time=3009.3 ms 64 bytes from 212.78.195.170: icmp_seq=3 ttl=236 time=3012.4 ms err maybe you shouldn't ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
post from Elizabeth Castro's bbs
# Subject : I like poo # Posted By: Sreejayanth # Date: Tuesday, 19 June 2001, at 1:45 a.m. # # I like poo Remind me again why you hang out here Dave? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel. Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)! still thats not bad what i think they do is start cheap then slowly raise the price as seats get booked up i'm wondering how many London.pm are going to be on this flight shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they? please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-) Oh, Grep, I'm up for that AD D one evening, though haven't played for years. Sounds good, i'll pencil in your name and contact you closer to the time about your character. I've already thought up some of what the adventure will be about and It won't be for the faint hearted! -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.
* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they? please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-) Yes ... but they charge for them ... Excellent, i'll bring my jar of pennies -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Maths Problem
I was working on my talk for YAPC::Europe and I got a little distracted, with the following problem and I also thought some of you might like to think about it. First of all, consider the problem of distributing N points around the origin evenly in 2D, so they are all the same distance from the origin. Now this is quite easy, you can simply imagine a circle and the points placed around the circle, each 360/N degrees apart in terms of projections from the origin. Simple huh? Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Thoughts are welcome, i'm currently trying to solve it and having lots of gotchas. However if you have a complete solution please put in some *spoiler* space. Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Maths Problem
* Chris Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:58:03PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:52:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Neat question for a Sunday evening: I've been wondering about that for a while. the main problem is for low values of N, i.e. the ones you can imaginine in your head, you can figure out regular convex polyhedra whose points lie of the sphere and whose sides are all the same shape (i.e. a triangular pyramid, a cube or diamond, etc. however i'm not convinced you can construct such shapes for all values of N Best general treatment of this I've seen is at http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/index/spheres.html and that page also has a link to Easy method for a fairly good point distribution at http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/97/spherefaq yes, but it leaves an unpleasant taste in your mouth afterwards, or is that just me? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: brief penderel outage
* jo walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i'm taking penderel down for a little bit services shouldnt be gone too long all will be back better and shinier sooner jo jo++ # for doing this sort of stuff on a saturday -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As there's plenty of BSDers here, and I expect that at least some of you don't subscribe to Bugtraq and friends ... http://www.securityfocus.com/vdb/?id=2873 Yeah but its a local exploit, so it ain't that bad. I'm generally of the opinion (warning ADD discussion on the horizon) that if someone gets into your box they can get r00t, so best to deal with the problem before that and keep a careful eye of people who are you in your box. Its a bit like castle really, with external security and guards wandering the corridors, if a sufficiently skilled assasin/thief can get past the external security, he can evade your normal internal security and kill your king or steal your treasure. Unless of course you hire Vadrienal the Elven Assasin/Fighter to help guard your treasure (ok i'm going to far now). However this reminds me of how a top notch security consultant from a 3 letter company described the security of a product i was at a time involved with (not in a security capacity). He explained in a manner similar to the following Imagine you want to protect something, and its a treasure chest, now you put the treasure chest in a room, you lock the room. The room is in a castle, there are guards wandering the corridors checking for intruders. The castle only has one entrance via the drawbridge, its heavily guarded and all incoming visitors are watched closely. There are guards on the castle wall watching that no one tries to swim the moat. Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle of it - this is your security. Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
YAPC::Europe and Dungeons and Dragons
of the opinion (warning ADD discussion on the horizon) that i've got a new plan for the London.pm ADD game involving hacking MudOS, but enought of that on to the point of this post Do any people going to YAPC::Europe 2001, fancy a one off ADD game in the hotel (as in THE hotel) DM'd by yours truly on one of the nights? Probably starting 9ish till late. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:17:53AM +0100, Dean wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 06:56:35PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: Plane tickets are currently 37 quid return via easyjet... Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together or is the whole thing going to be ad hoc? Needing to get things sorted, we've booked our flights already. I know at least one other London.pmer is on the same flight as us (Easyjet from Gatwick, 14:45 Wednesday 1st). i'm also booking that flight, my only problem is it wont accept my switch card at the moment for some unknown reason -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:17:53AM +0100, Dean wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 06:56:35PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: Plane tickets are currently 37 quid return via easyjet... Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together or is the whole thing going to be ad hoc? Needing to get things sorted, we've booked our flights already. I know at least one other London.pmer is on the same flight as us (Easyjet from Gatwick, 14:45 Wednesday 1st). if anyone else is booking the gatwick departure on the 1/8 and the return to gatwick on the 5/8 from easyjet (total cost 62.50) could they book an extra ticket and i'll do a funds transfer to their account or something easyjet don't seem to like switch well at least not a switch card that expires this month or the one that starts next month hmmm -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe (Ignore this request)
Ok, ignore this request now. Also thanks to Simon Wilcox. for helping me out here. I also believe others are flying on this flight, so it looks like we have the official flight for London.pm ;-) and thanks to Jouke we can claim to have an official London.pm hotel - with minibars and minigolf * Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:17:53AM +0100, Dean wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 06:56:35PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: Plane tickets are currently 37 quid return via easyjet... Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together or is the whole thing going to be ad hoc? Needing to get things sorted, we've booked our flights already. I know at least one other London.pmer is on the same flight as us (Easyjet from Gatwick, 14:45 Wednesday 1st). if anyone else is booking the gatwick departure on the 1/8 and the return to gatwick on the 5/8 from easyjet (total cost 62.50) could they book an extra ticket and i'll do a funds transfer to their account or something easyjet don't seem to like switch well at least not a switch card that expires this month or the one that starts next month hmmm -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/ -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe (Ignore this request)
* Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * at 15/06 14:41 +0100 Greg McCarroll said: Ok, ignore this request now. Also thanks to Simon Wilcox. for helping me out here. I also believe others are flying on this flight, so it looks like we have the official flight for London.pm ;-) and thanks to Jouke we can claim to have an official London.pm hotel - with minibars and minigolf somehow i just can't see offical hotel of london.pm being used in the marketing material... site of the 2001 mini golf riot may not go down well either, i'm not curious how much of the hotel we can take up will we get our own floor? do we have enough airports to give us a private lan? Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe (Ignore this request)
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:30:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * at 15/06 14:41 +0100 Greg McCarroll said: Ok, ignore this request now. Also thanks to Simon Wilcox. for helping me out here. I also believe others are flying on this flight, so it looks like we have the official flight for London.pm ;-) and thanks to Jouke we can claim to have an official London.pm hotel - with minibars and minigolf somehow i just can't see offical hotel of london.pm being used in the marketing material... site of the 2001 mini golf riot may not go down well either, i'm not curious how much of the hotel we can take up will we get our own floor? do we have enough airports to give us a private lan? If we did, who'd pick up the phone bill? we could always split it or do they have unmetered called in Holland? If so and we had a direct line we could beg a Dutch Monger to call in and set up ppp to their broadband or similar connection anyway just having a common Lan may be fun -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
early peek at a bit of fun
I was just playing around and wrote http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/lpm_cpan_lb.cgi It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a Leader Board of known London.pm people (including those who may be outside the UK but still in there heart are London.pmers) and ranks them according to the number of modules attributed to them in 03modlist.data.gz. !!! THIS IS JUST A BIT OF FUN !!! However if it does spur people to release the modules that have been sitting on their hard disks for ages, so be it. (Myself included). I'll cleanup/optimize/add error checking tommorow. but i thought i'd let you see it tonight for fun and advance warning. If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people who looked london.pm-ish to test it. Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a Leader Board of known London.pm people The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)... the blame the module list maintainer , not me ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:42:20PM +0100, Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a Leader Board of known London.pm people The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)... And, of course, not all modules on CPAN are in the module list (see, for example, Symbol::Approx::Sub). hmmm, somehow that strengthens the argument for using the module list ;-) however if someone can suggest a better way to evaluate the CPAN contributions I'm all ears. I like the modlist, because theoretically its things that have went through some form of QA[1][2] and become part of the proper CPAN set. Greg [1] or KA [3] [2] albeit limited [3] [3] as someone once told me - Pratchett has a lot to answer for when it comes to footnotes (paraphrased) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:18:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again? GEDCOM. I wrote Gedcom.pm and I've actually had a couple of people asking about Graphviz, but I had to say I didn't know anything about it. and you've now been associated on the page with us as well ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:38:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: and you've now been associated on the page with us as well ;-) Thanks. I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland at the moment, but at least it bumps up the percentages on the web page Currently we are at 0.94% of CPAN, but i'm sure we have more contributors than i have listed if dha supplies me with a list of cpan ID's and names for NY i'll do a similar page of NY and include the % of each on both pages -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
another test
this is the final test -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: your mail
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:16:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: yet another test I'm sorry, but you appear to have failed again. This message is quite visible! :-( well i had managed to screw up mail for 2 days, i personally believe it was a communist/socialist/signal lovers conspiracy to stop me being the king of the noise on london.pm but i'm back and boy do i have a lot to post about! wooo h -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
YAPC::Europe
So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
curse
here was a fun unbless function i wrote in response to something
on spug's mailing list (it never made here or there, due to mailing
difficulties at the time)
sub curse ($) {
my $thing = shift;
if (!(ref($thing))) {
die Can't curse non-reference value;
}
if ($thing =~ m/=(SCALAR|ARRAY|HASH|CODE|GLOB)\(/) {
return bless $thing, $1;
} else {
return $thing;
}
}
Trelane then came up with this error case
$x = curse new String(This is a problem cos I have =ARRAY(foo in my text);
print $x,\n;
package String;
use overload '' = sub { $_[0]-{text}};
use overload;
sub new
{
my $class = shift;
return bless {text = join('',@_)}, $class;
}
which just shows you what a so and so he is ;-)
However there is a good soln in scalar::util or somesuch
Greg
--
Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
misc URL
i'm not a great fan of people sending URLs randomly, but this has to be an exception, remember the joy of your childhood years reading the guiness book of records (and watching record breakers as well, with Roy, Norris and later on Cheryl). well you can relive that joy at http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ and read stories about nutters like this (look out for the bit from the coast guard/ sea rescue) http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/top_stories/topstorydetails.asp?TopStoryID=478 -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? Some of us can't afford YAPC. Well at least its not due to the entry fee and if its a matter of accomodation cost, ask on the list for somewhere to crash. And some of us don't have partners :-( Thats why you should come to YAPC::Europe and meet the monger of your dreams ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: YAPC::Europe
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It had been my intention for the whole Gellyfish Clan to venture forth to Amsterdam but it looks like I will be the only representative now as the leader has decided that she has been to Amsterdam too many times previously to justify the cost and I cant be arsed to argue about it :) So how many of clan Cross intend to travel? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Religion (was Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote on Freitag, 8. Juni 2001 11:11 And some pieces of software just wont be able to be plugged in - why can't i run Samba on Windows? Why would you want to? * in a heterogeneous network i may want to standardise on a single SMB implementation so that logs, config, etc. are in the same format * SAMBA offers functionality beyond that of the windows implementation, for instance i remember noting that you could link a shared ``printer'' definition to an executable, i added a little bit of hacking, a poor ps2html convertor and a webserver and i had a nice little document storage/archiving system, that people could simply print to * bugs/security holes may not be solved as quickly in MS's version * i may be an open source zealot and want to know what is running on my machine down to each line of code (shame about the rest of the OS on this point) * its my computer and i should be able to run what software/services i want and not be locked in AFAIK Samba implements the SMB protocol, which is the native resource (file, printer, ...) sharing protocol of Windows. So if you have Windows, you've already got an SMB client and server running. for the same reasons people install apache on windows when they already have personal web server running ;-) Sounds a bit like How can I port MKS's korn shell to Unix? Is it possible?. Well, maybe the analogy is not so hot, but it's the best I can think of. but if you have the source and some time you can, and you may do it for similar reasons to the ones i stated above Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: London.pm posting stats
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:13:19PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: here is the results from a partial mbox of ny.pm messages, it is not that complete an mbox, but it does indicate that we are simply not doing or best to take over NY.pm You know, I've been meaning to ask... Why in the world would you *want* to take over NY.pm??? Because you've lost your way, there was a time that no one would ever have to ask questions such as ... Hmmm, is talking about beer off-topic or on-topic here? - John Kominetz, 8/6/2001 Where did you go wrong? It used to be that London.pm could regard NY.pm as its sister group (i would say brother, but you could never handle your booze) shining brightly in the dark sky of Perl Monger groups that talked about Perl. Whats next, NY.pm the educational cooperative? *shudder* ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Religion (was Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
it there and then. Its not that much to ask, it would just mean that when you get a fresh windows box you dont have to go and waste time installing additional software, and there are other examples of this ... Editor Scripting language Cron * Final reason (for now) I don't trust them. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Religion (was Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
* Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There is entirely to much DLL upgrading for my liking at every possible chance with Windows software/service pack. I don't believe that this can really lead to a stable system. Win2k address a lot of these issues with its dll and system file control programs. If you change a dll that's needed and the replacement dll doesn't work then the change gets tagged as a failure and rolled back by the system. It seems to work reasonably well, we've had no major dll screw ups. how is this implemented? at filesystem level, i.e. spotting changes of files or via special install programs? will it work if some lunatic simple copies (or retores) a backup over the DLLs actually now that i mention it, time to mention the fact that although windows has a lot of software very little of it supports any concept of filesystems permission that has only been available since NT came about * No compiler Why can't there be a compiler? Please just a simple one, so that if i want to write some little program for myself I can do it there and then. Its not that much to ask, it would just mean that when you get a fresh windows box you dont have to go and waste time installing additional software, and there are other examples of this ... (You said this is about servers) Compilers on servers are a bad idea both from the security perspective and from a stability angle. I don't care how good a coder you are, your not writing code on the server. In a real production environment you need to test it and do change control. I have an issue with this since i got a phone call at 3am this morning after someone did just this. I only leave an interpreter on servers for my own convenience and even then i shouldn't. Of course if your server runs an interpreted language then yes you need it :) thats fine, but what should i do the development on? maybe it should at least be an option in the install process, and i don't mean an option asking Would you like Windows to grab your Credit Card number and order yet another expensive M$ product for you? It will be know trouble we can send the order when we connect to log other information about you and your installed software. Editor Wordpad :) calling wordpad an editor is as laughable as calling vi an editor ;-) Cron The at command or the task scheduler. fine, how do you run something everyday at 3am? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Religion (was Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
* Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* at 08/06 11:35 +0100 Robin Szemeti said:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
calling wordpad an editor is as laughable as calling vi an editor ;-)
arrghh .. burn the heretic! ... speak brother, for the truth will out ..
have you been using [x{0,1]]emacs again ... ?
and thus comes the inevitable end[1] to all unix geek discussions...
No, we haven't taught the discussion to send mail yet.
--
Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: London.pm posting stats
here is the results from a partial mbox of ny.pm messages, it is not that complete an mbox, but it does indicate that we are simply not doing or best to take over NY.pm does anyone have a larger set of NY.pm messages we could analyse? David H. Adler: 137 ** Michael G Schwern: 77 Jeff Pinyan: 42 *** John van V.: 28 ** Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO: 28 ** guinevere liberty: 25 * David Combs: 24 Greg McCarroll: 21 *** Adam Turoff: 20 *** Brooklyn Linux Solutions: 20 *** Chris Nandor: 18 ** Jordan Coleman: 17 ** Abigail: 16 * David Cantrell: 16 * Joshua Kronengold: 16 * Walt Mankowski: 15 * Jay Sulzberger: 13 Ruben I Safir - Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO: 13 James E Keenan: 12 Gidon Wise: 11 Martin Heinsdorf: 11 Dave Cross: 10 *** -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Social meet
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] i'm 07957 386 815 i'm also going to be free this afternoon after about 2 ish (ill switch the phone on then) so if anyone wants to meet up before the meeting give me a bell Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. funny enough i was planning on going to TCR as well, for a new digital camera (something cheap and cheerful) - i just hope PO will let me charge it -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
* Richard Clyne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I always thought that a data structure that mimicked a bus queue would
be useful.
If you request more items than are in the queue (e.g. lots of empty
seats) the queue returns the items in order. If you request less items
than are in the queue (Bus almost full) the largest items push through
and are selected.
Fun!
the following should do what you want, although i'm not sure if freezing
non-references is fair on them and i'm sure the sort condition syntax
can be shortened by the perl golfers on the list ...
package BusQueue;
use strict;
use Storable qw(freeze);
sub new {
my $class = shift;
my $self = [];
return bless $self, $class;
}
sub insert {
my $self = shift;
push(@$self, @_);
}
sub remove {
my $self = shift;
my ($num) = @_;
@$self = sort {
my $sa;
my $sb;
if (ref($a)) {
$sa = length(freeze($a));
} else {
$sa = length(freeze(\$a));
}
if (ref($b)) {
$sb = length(freeze($b));
} else {
$sb = length(freeze(\$b));
}
$sb = $sa;
} @$self;
return splice @$self, 0, $num;
}
1;
--
Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAS T NIGHT
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 10:43 AM [there are actually no spoliers left in this post so I'm removing the spoiler space] i'm a little worried that the next season will suck. lets wait and see if the warning signs are there, more weird settings i.e. they all get sucked into the movie casablanca and the episode is entirely in black and white, guest appearances from other shows/from major celebrities. Apparently they're planning a musical episode[1] ah well, we can probably also expect The Rock from WWF to show up and lay the smack down on some vamps, also expect to here plans for a BtVS movie as well, so they can get use out of the sets one more time. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Inline::PERL
* Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 05:56 AM, David H. Adler wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 09:40:49AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Inline::PERL gives you the power of the PERL programming language from And what, exactly, is the PERL programming language? It is the wicked, twisted spectre of Perl that haunts the minds of script kiddies. In some cultures it is known as CGI; other cultures have no name for it. Well-informed people normally run when they encounter it. A saving throw against mental instability applies. Most of characters are excused these sorts of saving throws as they are too twisted/evil to get freaked by whatever demanding the ST. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: General Election
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 09:25:21AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: Oh I did ... In general I find Billy Braggs ability to produce 'something you could mistake for music' roughly equal to Craig Charles' ability to tell a joke. .. although he was passibly OK in Red Dwarf. Billy Bragg was in Red Dwarf? I never noticed... yeah, remember he was the one that sucked emotions out of everyone he encountered ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2001, Neil Ford wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 04:45:45PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 08:19:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 07:47:00AM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show credits/ theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there would of been a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the wife she used the phrase ``clutching at straws'' Well, how about the argument that SMG has singed up for two more series? I've been told (*prays this is not true*) that SMG signed up for two more series but has a clause that if Univeral Pictures produce it she is not oblidged to do them (as apparently she didn't want to work for Universal). So, this could be an ending to make sure she and Univeral have time to work it out... i just hope I have been mis-informed. Trying to remember where I read this (probably Heat) but SMG *had* said she wouldn't stay with the show if it moved from WB to UPN. Quick bit of digging and I've found the following; [Heat Magazine, 19-25 May 2001] The producers of Buffy, Fox TV, have offered ridiculous soundbites to justify switching TV networks in the US. The WB, home to Buffy since it's inception, did not match the passion and vision demonstrated by rival network UPN, which has secured the show for two years. The fact that UPN bid a total of $22 million more than WB wasn't mentioned by Fox. UPN sontinued to show it's vision and passion with the $50,000 gift baskets it sent eight Buffy cast regulars to welcome them to their new network - which included Cristal champagne and a Cartier watch, Sarah Michelle Gellar - who once said she'd quit Buffy if it left WB, then retracted the comments - was given a Gucci necklace. kewl ... so Buffy likes necklaces then. ^ | +--- It was about here i guessed where this was going ;-) we could give her one as a present .. that would be nice ... diamond maybe ...or since we are a Perl group perhaps ... oh ok .. you're way ahead of me on this one aren't you. ;) -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
old pictures
just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon, http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: old pictures
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon, http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG Toilet seats don't make as good props as skateboards - we need to somehow smuggle an inflatable dinghy into a pub. preferably into a river side pub, then with the dinghy we have a convenient means of escape when we liberate the pub's jugs of TVR from them -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: old pictures
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon, http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG But what *was* that all about ? because we're worth it? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The truth will out ( was Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT)
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: now i remember the good old days of live and kicking with sarah green and pete and simon ahhh halycon days halcyon? some of us are blessed with typing speeds above that of normal mortals and hence find that normal `earth' keyboards do not always keep up with us - hence this unfortunate inicdant ;-) Anyway we all know it peaked with Sally James... tiswas? a tiswas ... -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT
*SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show credits/ theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there would of been a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the wife she used the phrase ``clutching at straws'' -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 07:47:00AM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show credits/ theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there would of been a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the wife she used the phrase ``clutching at straws'' Well, how about the argument that SMG has singed up for two more series? i didn't know that - THANKS DAVE! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 07:47:00AM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show credits/ theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there would of been a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the wife she used the phrase ``clutching at straws'' Well, how about the argument that SMG has singed up for two more series? i didn't know that - THANKS DAVE! just to clarify that, that was a genuine thanks, not a sarcastic one. after i hit send, i thought it could of sounded sarcastic. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT
* James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 08:19:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 07:47:00AM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show credits/ theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there would of been a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the wife she used the phrase ``clutching at straws'' Well, how about the argument that SMG has singed up for two more series? BAH! The main bummer after last nights episode is that glory is dead, and i was just starting to warm to her, only she wasn't quite psychotic enough. ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Religion
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2001, Alex Page wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: What with this and Piers' earlier revelations and the ever present Unixbeard I have this feeling that maybe we ought to get a Morris Side together for next years Jack in the Green festival in Hastings, Heh, I haven't done Morrising for ages. Count me in! mental image of Greg and Piers, having had a few pints, lurching towards each other in a corner dance singing 'hey ho fiddle eye ho' and hey! you won't catch me performing some stupid historic ceremony, no siree. however i could be persuaded to drink a lot[1] and demand to walk a stretch of road with a bit of orange material round my neck and a little velvet apron round my waste - now thats a proper tradition! ;-) Greg [1] that wasn't fair as most traditional orange men are christians and coming from N.I. that generally means they drink very little, if at all. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The truth will out ( was Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT)
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Matthew Robinson wrote: [1] Don't ask me why I was watching Live Kicking as I don't know the answer Oh we will ask you, and you are expected to make up some bulllshit however ludicrous, now that Ant Dec dont do it you cant say you fancy them ... nah Jonathan, you got it wrong, they were on the other side on CD UK or some such. they were actually quite entertaining with cat deally, however you spell it, with them. i think they got moved to prime time, which probably will be a one season wonder. as for live and kicking it seems to have gone down the tubes badly, there is some american bloke who really has a persona that makes you want to ram his head repeatedly into plate glass until you break through and it also has that tart (i say that in an accurate way) from the karaoke show with suggs. now i remember the good old days of live and kicking with sarah green and pete and simon ahhh halycon days -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: crazy golf
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :) Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and... Ah, its been ages since I had an ``election night party'', COUNT me in! (geddit, _count_, as in vote count! *lol*, i kill myself ;-) ) er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route. Is that so you can pick up some champagne, for labour's particular brand of socialism ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What! You mean go south of the river after dark. I'm afraid I'm not properly insured for that kind of excursion :) what sort of insurance do you need? insurance against culture? insurance against clearner air? insurance against nice restaurants and bars? insurance against safer streets? bah, south london is where its at ;-) Nice offer, though if I took it up my chances of making it home at all would be very slim. Does anyone know what time the result is usually announced (and 38 days is not an acceptable answer, this isn't Florida!) its not really announced at a specific time IIRC, it is a final result when one party has enough people to `form a government', i.e. a majority -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
General Election - additional idea
If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply, write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl and URLs should be submitted on the day. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-), and we all know what results are important on thursday night - thats right the northern irish ones! [1] [1] disclaimer ... in case anyone doesn't know me, statements i make about northern irish politics are generally made with tongue in cheek In fact, Greg is _such_ an expert on the Northern Ireland[1] electoral system that he fails to remember that the votes aren't counted until Friday morning :) did i specify a time that i'd be leaving your house? ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election - additional idea
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply, write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl and URLs should be submitted on the day. I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user intervention? we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would require changing -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election - additional idea
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user intervention? we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would require changing i should of said, change that CGI to scrape the information from somewhere -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: crazy golf
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. so when is the next bang holiday weekend? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: crazy golf
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. so when is the next bang holiday weekend? blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001 now what do people want to do? go to hastings and return the same day? stay over? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: How about: The working class can kiss my arse I've got the foreman's job at last. Or The people's flag is deepest puce with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse Pah! Sing to the Motherland, home of the free, Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong. O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people, To Communism's triumph lead us on! sing all you want, it will be you lot who have egg on your faces when a unionist/conservative coalition government is in power in a few weeks, ohhh yes ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: crazy golf
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [1] But you've got to admit, she does look good for her age. Yeah, well so would I if I HADN'T DONE A FUCKING DECENT DAY'S WORK IN MY LIFE. Well you don't look that good, and you are a contractor ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Windows Perl - how?
* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You can find it at http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/wininst/1.1/W9X/EN-US/InstMsi.exe yip i've seen this format as well, does anyone know what advantages it has? does it enforce any standards for the software? is it just a M$ ploy to control the standard install packages? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:02 PM Just plucked this out of alt.humour.best.of.usenet (originally from the frasier newsgroup), and it made me curl up with laughter, maybe its not everyones taste of funny but some may enjoy it [snip] Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1]. Dave... [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. if you really want to find out about Mr Corley, you are far better doing a dejanews search for the man, i even found a FAQ about him, my favourite bit was ... 2. What is the evidence for his claims? Evidence is Mike's Achilles Heel, the area where he has most difficulty. Over the years, many people have tried to help him present convincing evidence for his claims of MI5 persecution. They have asked the pertinent questions: What is their motive? How are they able to do it? Sadly, despite all this encouragement from other Usenet users, Mike has made very little progress in this respect to date. thats spys for you, they never leave you evidence! [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. its a conspiracy! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d more evidence of a conspiracy! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d 'K. Try this one then http://www.five.org.uk/. I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me. Surely you mean Boleslaw Tadeusz Szocik. He lives i believe in Englewood Road, SW12 (exact number removed just in case). -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:10:39PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1]. Is that fuckwit still going? yeah, but he's a little thin these days as he's been on a spam and rice diet to use up his Y2K emergency supplies ;-) (sorry that was to easy to skip over) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Robert Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Andy Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me. Dave... I'd move Andy Nah... Have some fun... Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera. add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads dissappearing into a satchel for more fun Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the effect. also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock equal to the prime series mod 60 -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera. add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads dissappearing into a satchel for more fun Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the effect. also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock equal to the prime series mod 60 Way too much thought has gone into this are you sure _you're_ not part of THE conspiracy!!! no, otherwise i would of specified to start this with a prime greater than 60 -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
bad greg
i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at home. pedant That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the name. /pedant It _is_ a nice pub. Tho' it's distance from tube stations may count against it. The other problem that I have with it is that it used to have a tendancy to keep City Pub hours - i.e. to close at 9pm. I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to whats tonight? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
so will ERwin for Windows * James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I believe Visio will do this with an ODBC link to mysql... But of course it costs... On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 06:32:52AM +, Greg Cope wrote: Dear All This is not perl related, but I hope to tap your collective knowledge. I'm involved with taking on a project started (and nearly finished) by an Agency writen mostly in PHP and Delphi. No statements that I'm already in trouble - thanks. I have no DB schema, and as such could dump the SQL schema (via mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could print, and then look at If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it would be fab. Thanks for your time. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Cross David - dcross wrote: I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to organise a recce for next month. Tonight? But it's Wednesday the 30th today. that makes two of us, shurely the next meeting is over a week away, /me gets confused i'm glad its not just me -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think it's too late to organise anything for next week (June meeting), but are we that bad? feel free to organise a recce before the following (July) meeting. especially as the long summer nights are perfect for riverside pubs Apologies for fuckwittage. its ok, its so much easier when you calculate it as the day after the first wednesday of the month, see, today is wednesday, but not the the first one of the month, so it cant be any time soon -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: l337
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are. tx!! hey dude, check out ... irc.rhizomatic.net london.rhizomatic.net join #london.pm and meet lots of hot chix who you can ask a/s/l to and ask if they have any war3z or pr0n laterz, z3R0 c0o1
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name. Well in that case i qualify . The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of Hannover. The race is now held in July. Btw, the coat is red. now where is my pint? Dave... [giving up now] bah, and the week has hardly started
Y::E accomodation
we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, it was previously discussed that a hotel in amsterdam would be better, for a few reasons, including going out in the evening, partners having something to do during the day, etc. now all we need is a volunteer to arrange and organise us all, someone who knows amsterdam so well they might form Amsterdam.pm .. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Y::E accomodation
* Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:53:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, For those of us without the time for both the List and the IRC channel is there any chance of a summery about what the group plans are? Or is it a free for all? there are no plans, and i'd rather not do this for several good reasons. however i've had a look over amsterdamn hotels, and the best option that will keep everyone happy appears to be going for a reasonable 3* or 4* hotel, that does tripple or quad rooms for people if they want to save a bit of cash the 2* hotels look a little grim and the better 4* hotels are pricey the sort of questions that whoever organises this needs to know is ... Who is going? and if you are going . What sort of room do you want? i.e. single double don't mind sharing with another don't mind sharing with 3 don't mind sharing with 4 What are you willing to pay per night? What do you require from the room? i.e. minibar safe TV shower bath jacuzzi What do you require from the hotel? i.e. bar pool gym if we get this , then someone that knows amsterdam can do the leg work -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Y::E accomodation
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2001 13:13 Subject: Re: Y::E accomodation * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:53:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for YAPC::Europe came up again, For those of us without the time for both the List and the IRC channel is there any chance of a summery about what the group plans are? Or is it a free for all? there are no plans, and i'd rather not do this for several good reasons. I'm not booking anything unless I have a ticket for the conference. i dont think that will be a problem this year -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Y::E accomodation
* Redvers Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: dunno if this is useful .. but if possible, try and avoid hotels that are only prepared to take bookings for 1 hour slots. Indeed. I will probably use my usual hotel in Amsterdam as it is nice, quiet, 15 mins from the centre by Tram and (my favorite bit) - every room has a Jaccuzi[1]. and the name of this hotel would be . ? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Talks and Stuff
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there is list of the applications that have been made? I _think_ I've submitted, but I'm not sure! I filled in a form and everything but I've had no real affirmation 1) no you can't - but submit both anyway and let the organisers decide 2) there is no form - just an email address, huh? so we can just submit anything we like to the email address? how about an AVI of me doing my outline in the form of interpretive dance? what you mean no i can't? damn the ICA would of loved that one last year ;-)
Re: Email::Valid
* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED] is invalid even though it works wierd! its not the email address thats broken, its your SMTP server ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:00:05AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at home. Nice beer (Speckled Hen, IPA, Pride), quiet, by the river, tasteful decor, few stairs, mercifully Barley free. Named after the oldest rowing race in the world (or vice versa) which started in 1721 and is still raced today. Only one question food? this is going to be a stickler, its a case of we can't yet find the perfect pub for everyone. so from now on i recommend the following measuring system, one point for each Y/N category, half a point if its uncertain Good Beer? Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)? Food that can be ate in bar? Lots of seating? Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)? Central to ``business'' London? with this scale, Penderels scores 0,0,1,1,0.5,1 = 3.5 Anchor scores ... 1,1,0,1,0.5,0 = 3.5 which seems fair to me, what we need to do is find somewhere with a higher score, so that all parties are happy, sound good? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: new york
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: Well back from sunny NY to good old London and what do i have waiting for me, thats right 200+ messages in London.pm! Hurrah! That was an awfully quick flight if it got you there and back in under eight hours (judging from the number of messages you say you had in your inbox afterwards) :) i'd carry on this thread, but i've just been catching up with some NB antics in www.tvgohome.com [1], http://www.tvgohome.com/2303-2001.html Greg [1] usual disclaimers apply, i.e. if you find london.pm occasionally a bit offensive with the language don't go anywhere near this site. -- Greg McCarroll
Re: Decisions decisions
* Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: No! Remind me of some of the reasons you wanted to get rid of the defender machine? I'm sure one of them was lack of space in Cantrell mansions. Ignore the heretic and his shouts of compare! swap! Embrace the siren call of the hardware. Don't encourage the spamrice hoarder, you know he is already too close to the edge ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, would *you* say no to Steven Seagal? I strongly suspect I'd say no to having his kids! but he can also cook! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
* Chris Devers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 11:23 AM 2001.05.24 +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Apropos nothing, there was a guy who took over at Fusion in the early nineties who was a skinny, bookish, Jewishish type. And his name was Steve Segal. Of course, as soon as we heard, he became Steven Seagal pronounced in the dramatic movie trailer kind of way. I don't think it did his career any harm at all. A couple weeks ago, we hired a girl named Julie Andrews. Everyone keeps fighting the urge to ask her to sing for us. I seem to remember an extremely soft porn-ish film with julie andrews at one stage, all i can remember is giant toy soldiers. I don't think porn is even the right title it was more just weird. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:21:08AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: Now if he'd just stop blaming me for stuff like DWIM.pm... ;-) Well, I would if you'd just stop putting those evil thoughts in my head... The David made me do it!?? just wrap more tin foil around your head and everything will be ok -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers asked: The sure thing Ooh. Not seen that one. Is it any good? And that's Anthony TopGun, Northern Exposure, ER Edwards to you. Any good, any good? It's only my all time favourite film of all time[1]. Where frat movie meets romantic comedy, on a road trip. Quite a few good one liners. John Cusack being John Cusack very well. Zuniga being Zuniga, also very well. Oh, hang on. Has it got Tim Robbins in it as well? If so I *have* seen it and it's bloody good. and i can't buy it, because its still on boring old VHS - Greg 'DVD' McCarroll p.s. at the risk of raising the heckles of BlackStar, does anyone know the URL of the company based in the channel islands (or isle of mann) that sell american dvds to the UK at the time they are released in the US? 247 or something? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
* Barbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to remember an extremely soft porn-ish film with julie andrews at one stage, all i can remember is giant toy soldiers. I don't think porn is even the right title it was more just weird. You're thinking of the comedy S.O.B., where a film director decides his wife (played by Julie Andrews)should go topless to increase the film's rating and the director's flagging career. Oddly enough the film is directed by Andrew's husband at the time, Blake Edwards. Life imitating art or visa versa? but where there giant toy soldiers in it? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Beer fest beckons
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 03:28:49PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: So I get a call on my mobile in the middle of the beer fest from a potential collaborator telling me he can't send me the promised documentation due to the fact my inbox has exploded spectacularly and exceeded my meagre disk quota. Given that I'm far too busy drinking ale to go and faff around wth the university computing service, I shall temporarily unsubscribe. THere is the option of cadging a shell account off of someone, with no fascist disk quota ... london.pm server seems like a good target -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Beer fest beckons
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 23:00 24/05/2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 03:28:49PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: So I get a call on my mobile in the middle of the beer fest from a potential collaborator telling me he can't send me the promised documentation due to the fact my inbox has exploded spectacularly and exceeded my meagre disk quota. Given that I'm far too busy drinking ale to go and faff around wth the university computing service, I shall temporarily unsubscribe. THere is the option of cadging a shell account off of someone, with no fascist disk quota ... /me points out the irony of telling Lucy this onlist when she has unsubscribed :) i 'spose the same goes for my suggestion about getting a london.pm account but maybe, just maybe she will read this some day, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
crazy golf
What ever happened to the london.pm crazy golf game? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Forwarded : Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
actually, i failed, my CC to lucy screwed up due to complicated reasons regarding BT (ISP) ADSL lines, so if someone could forward this it would be good - Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:24:15 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Description: Notification This is the Postfix program at host scully.mccarroll.demon.co.uk. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host orange.csi.cam.ac.uk[131.111.8.77] said: 550-See URL:http://mail-abuse.org/dul/ 550 mail from 217.34.97.145 rejected: administrative prohibition (host is blacklisted) Content-Description: Undelivered Message Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:24:14 +0100 From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Beer fest beckons Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from Dave Cross on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:22:48PM +0100 X-Operating-System: Linux scully.mccarroll.demon.co.uk 2.2.13-7mdk * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 23:00 24/05/2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 03:28:49PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: So I get a call on my mobile in the middle of the beer fest from a potential collaborator telling me he can't send me the promised documentation due to the fact my inbox has exploded spectacularly and exceeded my meagre disk quota. Given that I'm far too busy drinking ale to go and faff around wth the university computing service, I shall temporarily unsubscribe. THere is the option of cadging a shell account off of someone, with no fascist disk quota ... /me points out the irony of telling Lucy this onlist when she has unsubscribed :) i 'spose the same goes for my suggestion about getting a london.pm account but maybe, just maybe she will read this some day, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net - End forwarded message - -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 23:18 24/05/2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Barbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to remember an extremely soft porn-ish film with julie andrews at one stage, all i can remember is giant toy soldiers. I don't think porn is even the right title it was more just weird. You're thinking of the comedy S.O.B., where a film director decides his wife (played by Julie Andrews)should go topless to increase the film's rating and the director's flagging career. Oddly enough the film is directed by Andrew's husband at the time, Blake Edwards. Life imitating art or visa versa? but where there giant toy soldiers in it? Yes. ah, the joys of having channel 4 launch just as you are entering puberty. think on you young-uns, before that the sexiest thing on TV was that monster who ate the sandwich in the last round of the adventure game -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:17:11PM +0100, Barbie wrote: Bugger! Brain thinking faster than my hands! Your hands *think*??? dha, sees a sci-fi movie in here somewhere... that ones been done to death -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
