Re: Using perl for a high performance mailer daemon ?

2001-06-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

 Greg Cope wrote:
  Sorry to drag the tone back down to perl

 You could at least have done it on the proper list (you know, the one that
 Jonathan Stowe said he wouldn't be closing down this afternoon).

 CC'ed to the real list.


I fixed the reply address on lists.dircon.co.uk so it shouldnt matter :)

/J\




Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel.
 
  Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight
  costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)!
 

 still thats not bad

 what i think they do is start cheap then slowly raise the price
 as seats get booked up

 i'm wondering how many London.pm are going to be on this flight

 shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they?
 please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-)


There is a semi-decent bar at Gatwick airport anyhow  Or we could all
meet up for a pints in Horley first :)

/J\




Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On 18 Jun 2001, Steve Mynott wrote:

 Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Template Toolkit
  HTML::Mason
  Text::Template
  HTML::Template
  HTML::Embperl

 Also Apache::ASP


I did have this crackhead idea a week or two ago about making something
that 'Compiled' HTML to modules with something like a DOM interface (much
like the thing with Enhydra does ) - this of course would not really be
Templating but something more like manipulating the HTML directly through
method calls ...

I wont bore you with the code as its not at all finished.

/J\




Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 Simon Wilcox wrote:
  I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason  Apache::ASP because they all
  embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
 
 Why is that so evil?
 
 I'm willing to be enlightened here.

 Separation of code and data - or in this case, layout, content
 and logic.

As a reference for this kind of thing one might ( if one can be arsed to
look at Java stuff ) to look at the way the Enhydra thingy does things in
creating classes in directories like :

 business  data  presentation  resources

/J\




Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-16 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:


 Some people asked about how to get on the modlist, as far as I know
 the process is detailed here 

   http://www.cpan.org/modules/04pause.html#namespace


And I bet Johan was figuring on a quiet weekend :)

/J\




Re: CMS frameworks

2001-06-16 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:


 Some guys out here in Brizzle want to do Yet Another CMS. Are there
 any frameworks out there they can plug together to make something
 plausible?


What is CMS ?  I guess it isnt the Compact Muon Solenoid in this context.

/J\




Re: Tie::Hash::Transactional

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 Go me!  Tie::Hash::Transactional is written.  It implements a hash which
 you can checkpoint and rollback.


Thats weird, I just wrote something that did that very thing the other day
.. the transactional bit was just a side affect of having a tied hash that
could tell which keys which had been updated so I could cheat big time
with the internal data hash which keeps all the stuff for the billing
system here ...

/J\




Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe?


It had been my intention for the whole Gellyfish Clan to venture forth to
Amsterdam but it looks like I will be the only representative now as the
leader has decided that she has been to Amsterdam too many times
previously to justify the cost and I cant be arsed to argue about it :)

/J\




Re: Y::E accomodation

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

 Redvers Davies wrote:
  The Bilderberg Garden Hotel.  lastmin.com do bookings for it.

 Wow. Either you have more money than you know what to do with or your
 company allows for higher expenses than mine. www.lastminute.com says GBP
 82.90 - GBP 126.46; my company guidelines say (for German hotels) DEM 140 -
 DEM170, or ca. GBP 40 - GBP 55 (guessed). And it seems to be a 5* hotel.


I'm getting some Platinum plated cats soon 


/J\




Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Nicholas Clark wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:57:08PM +0100, Dave Thorn wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
   Dave Thorn wrote:
  
that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.
  
   London Pride?
 
  obviously.  they don't just give it away or hoard it, y'know?

 There were posters up at London Bridge station about a promotion where the
 pubs on various of the London stations were giving away free pints, different
 days for different stations. I first saw the poster on May 5th.
 The promotions were either on May 3rd or May 2nd.
 Now, as the poster had a nice big picture of London Pride on it (IIRC) it
 is unlikely that I would have walked past it for even 1 day without noticing
 it. So I wonder if the cheeky buggers only put the posters up after the event.


They had it at Cannon Street a few weeks ago on free offer - I had a
couple of free cans of it.  However they have it cheap in cans and I have
a couple most nights :)

/J\




Test of sorts

2001-06-12 Thread Jonathan Stowe

Since I've changed my mail setup I've had a bit of a problem with resending
the bounced mails - hopefully this will prove that I fixed it :)

You shouldnt be seeing any spurious [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: headers in this
...


/J\
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Re: Some pretty pictures ...

2001-06-11 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 At 13:01 11/06/01 +0100, you wrote:

 Unlikely. http://www.iterative-software.com/~pdcawley/acme.png is
 vaguely perlish though.

 Hey, that's a good photo. It's Leontastic.


No Red eyes, not sitting in front of a picture of well known nazi
leader , it cant be the real Leon ...

/J\




Re: London.pm posting stats

2001-06-10 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:57:52PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:10:53PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
   And how about a signal/noise bias? ;-)
 
  The noise *is* signal.

 I'll have what he's drinking.


Drinking ?  SEE PATTERNS IN NORMALLY AMBIGUOUS [ VISUAL ] MATERIAL and
MORE TOLERANT OF CONTRADICTIONS are described in
http://www.druglibrary.org/special/tart/tart24.htm

:)

/J\






Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-10 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether:
 
   I'll be there...  btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps
   about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the
   list will be published. [1]
 
  Speakers will be told Real Soon Now. Registration might happen pretty
  soon too. Speakers don't need to register.
 

 maybe you'd like to make the point that those who can spare 40 quid
 or whatever and are speakers can still register to help balance
 the books



Wierdly I just heard this morning that my proposal has been accepted -
voice style=Mr TCrazee Fools/voice :)

/J\




Re: Default library paths

2001-06-10 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Matthew Robinson wrote:

 Apologies in advance if I have missed something blindingly obvious :)

 I need to change the default library paths in a compiled copy of perl.
 Basically, I want to move /usr/lib/perl5 into /usr/local/lib/perl5.  I am
 unable to recompile perl as it is compiled for arm-linux and I don't have
 either the cross-compiler or the correct configuration to get perl to build
 for this architecture.


PERL5LIB ?

/J\




Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-09 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:59:48PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
  Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all
  4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one joined up government
  answer?

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19340.html says the man to talk to
 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I've just asked him whether he thinks restricting access to IE and NS
 only (hence cutting off speech browsers for the blind) constitutes
 discrimination against the disabled. :)


Precisely.  And using Java et al is a discrimination against the mobility
impaired.

/J\




Re: London.pm posting stats

2001-06-09 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

 Paul Makepeace wrote on Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2001 13:27:
Greg McCarroll: 1546
 **
Dave Cross:  762 
Jonathan Stowe:  729 ***
 Robin Szemeti:  586 **
David Cantrell:  563 **
Paul Makepeace:  504 
  Leon Brocard:  459 **
  Piers Cawley:  378 
David H. Adler:  365 ***
  Simon Wistow:  355 ***
 Philip Newton:  331 **

 Well, I just barely missed being in the Top 10... I didn't think I wrote
 *that* much. Horrors.


Well based on another totally unscientific sample you did :)

Greg McCarroll (426) **
Dave Cross (247) 
Robin Szemeti  (237) ***
David Cantrell (235) ***
Paul Makepeace (197) ***
Jonathan Stowe (192) ***
Dave Hodgkinson(170) *
Philip Newton  (162) 
Piers Cawley   (148) **
Dominic Mitchell   (134) *

/J\




No Subject

2001-06-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

Oh my word, why *is* Nathan Barley on 18:23 from Cannon Street?

/J\




Re: old pictures

2001-06-03 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:


 just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe
 and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon,

   http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG


But what *was* that all about ?

/J\




Re: Religion

2001-06-02 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing round a
 tree in May) are good healthy things to do.

What with this and Piers' earlier revelations  and the ever present
Unixbeard I have this feeling that maybe we ought to get a Morris Side
together for next years Jack in the Green festival in Hastings,

This will be an amusing thing.

/J\




The truth will out ( was Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOUHAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT)

2001-06-02 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Matthew Robinson wrote:

 [1] Don't ask me why I was watching Live  Kicking as I don't know the
 answer


Oh we will ask you, and you are expected to make up some bulllshit however
ludicrous,  now that Ant  Dec dont do it you cant say you fancy them ...

/J\




Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
   I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
   is the problem.
 
  If you book it, they will come.
 

 i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend

 this feels *good*



Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :)

Sounds like a plan.

/J\




Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
   * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
 is the problem.
   
If you book it, they will come.
   
  
   i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend
  
   this feels *good*
  
  
 
  Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :)
 
  Sounds like a plan.
 

 so when is the next bang holiday weekend?


The next *bank* holiday is in august.  The bang holiday could be anytime
:)

/J\




Re: crazy golf

2001-05-31 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:



 What ever happened to the london.pm crazy golf game?


I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place
is the problem.


/J\




Re: (Chief) Wizard for hire...

2001-05-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Paul Sharpe wrote:

 Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
  James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Ooh that would have been very useful for me at one time.
 
  I've got bells ringing in my head about how hard it was to get a C
  library out of them in the early days.
 
  
   Illustra - Nice ideas, shame about the locking approach
   (and lack of outer joins, etc etc)!
 
  Ah, but Blades and time series stuff.

 Doesn't PostgreSQL carry on the Illustra tradition?


It went to Informix most recently and then of course to IBM.


/J\




Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 Anyone know a windows IMAP client that:
 1. Isn't Netscape
 2. Isn't Eudora
 3. Actually Works
 4. Is free or cheap


PC Pine.

/J\




Piracy (was Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?)

2001-05-20 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 17:28 19/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 
   Robin Houston writes:
Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://xx.xxx.xx/
  
   I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers,
   of all people, would advocate pirating the Camel.  Yeah, way to thank
   Larry!
  
 
 I'm not entirely sure that anyone was actively advocating piracy.

 I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books
 _is_ advocating piracy. YMMV.


I think that this is probably down to a difference in the way that we
apprehend the meaning of the phrase 'advocating piracy', but on reflection
I can see that it could be understood like that.

There is an increasing ambiguity in peoples attitude to 'soft crime'
these days, I would, say which ranges from Intellectual Property theft to
buying smuggled booze and fags to paying tradesmen 'Cash in Hand' to
buying Hear'Say records - because the final victim is detached from the
perpetrator by a chain of consequences it easy to do this stuff with your
conscience intact.  I'd love to blame Thatcher for it.

/J\




Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-20 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 00:06 20/05/2001, James Powell wrote:
 On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:00:38AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
   Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
   
The interesting bits are as follows;
  
   The really interesting bit was Mr Ford dancing around in his living
   room crowing because Sara Cox had read his name out on the radio.
 
 Ahh Sara Cox - as deserving of her position in the FHM top 100 women
 as she is of her £750K out of the license fee for two years blathering.

 I'm sure I'm really in the minority here, but I can't be the only one who
 finds all this discussion of the FHM list distasteful. I've never really
 understood why intelligent men find it acceptable to objectify women in
 this way.


Although of course everyone objects most vociferously when Cosmo or some
similar magazines produce a list of 'The Worlds Sexiest Men'. :)

 And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a woman (or man) was
 simply by looking at a photo.

Its in the eyes, Dave, its in the eyes.


 Dave...
 [disgruntled]


Yeah, we noticed. Bad Hangover ?-)

/J\





Cats Are the Unseen Rulers of the World (was Re: Politics (was RE:BOFHs requiring license))

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Alex Gough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church.  Any
   volunteers for my other minions?  Even if you don't want a cabinet
   post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman.  You'll get 25 days
   holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench.
  
 
  ... Before I kill you, Mr Bond, I want you to sign this confession of your
  own incompetance using your ordinary looking pen.
 
  action type=strokes naked cat
 

 What do you mean `naked'? As in one of those freaky hairless ones? Or
 are you in the habit of dressing your cats up in little outfits? Do lots
 of people dress their cats up? Is there a GAP for cats? Complete with
 irritatingly happy cats dancing to 70s and 80s pop music?


There are some people down the road who have Cornish Rexx Cats - those
ones that look like chihuahua dogs with big heads that look astonishingly
like those of the classic whitley stryder grey aliens.  Coincidence ?  I
think not.


/J\




Privacy, its their choice! ( was Re: Enough!)

2001-05-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 On Tue, 15 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote:
  On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
  
   Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers.
 
  Definitely. A whitelist too, of course.
 
   And if it's withheld, answer with a terse message and disconnect.
 
  No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern.

 ??? ... its simple. If they choose to withhold their number I choose to
 reject their call. they can always dial code to release their number if
 they choose. Many large organisations have an alternate presentation
 number so you get the number of the switchboard ratehr than the office
 extension number.  I simply don't want people phoning me up who refuse to
 own up to who they are before they invade my privacy.


I also have killfile entries for all the usenet anonymizers that I know
of for precisely the same reason.

/J\




Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 13 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  At 15:27 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html
Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK?
  
  Don't ask me, you elected 'em. And it looks like you're all stupid enough
  to do it *again*.
 
  troll type=politics
  I know, I know. Blair doesn't have a socialist bone in his body - it's been
  a _most_ disappointing four years, all i all.
 
  But given that the Socialist Alliance are only standing in ~100
  constituencies, there doesn't seem to be any credible alternative.
  /troll


 if only the SNP covered the whole of the UK



What the Sussex Nationalist Party - I dont think it will work somehow :)

/J\




Politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

I just thought I'd remind you all that the last time talk here turned to
politics it nearly ended in tears before bedtime.  Please think before you
post anything potentially inflamable as I think there are a wider variety
of more strongly held views represented here than is apparent from the
usual content of the messages :)

/J\





RE: Perl training

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Matthew Jones wrote:

  http://www.iterative-software.com/training/

 Can you do another Perl course, please?

 CHOPS programming:


Please dont do that while I'm eating crisps again - I nearly ashpyxiated
:)

/J\




Re: Perl training

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Chris Ball wrote:

 On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  STPPPIDD!

 OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty!

 /obscure_quoting

Wheel of Fish!

/J\




Re: Enough!

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On 14 May 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:


 Please, would you take the politics elsewhere? Some of us really don't
 give a shit either way.


I did warn them but they appeared to ignore me ...

/J\




RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roger Horne wrote:

 On Mon 14 May, Matthew Jones wrote:

  No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the
  pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC.

 Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce class sizes in
 primary schools and to recruit more secondary school teachers. How can they
 achieve the former without recruiting more teachers? Merge the Dept of
 Education and MAFF?


Culling Children ... now there's an idea.

/J\




RE: BOUNCE london-pm@lists.dircon.co.uk: Non-member submission from [Melissa Fivelman Melissa.Fivelman@ebookers.com]

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Melissa Fivelman wrote:

 So does that mean James Duncan's address is off or not?


Er no that was simply some advice about how to deal with a similar
situation if it should arise in the future.

In fact I had already removed [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list of
subscribers prior to replying as could have been determined empirically
from the lack of new messages to that address.

 Thanks
 melissa


No problem.

/J\
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 From: Jonathan Stowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 14 May 2001 15:57
 To: Melissa Fivelman
 Subject: Re: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Non-member submission
 from [Melissa Fivelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]]


 On Mon, 14 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Just to let you know that we have had numerous e-mails coming in addressed
  to James Duncan from your address.
 

 For your future reference to unsubscribe from a majordomo managed list you
 should send a message to majordomo@list-host with

   unsubscribe list-name e-mail address of subscriber

 Or alternatively you should e-mail the list owner which is usually not the
 Reply-To: address

 /J\


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Re: Traditional music (was Re: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

2001-05-12 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On 12 May 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:

 I prefer trad English. And I really prefer trad. English vocal,
 preferably without instruments...


I thought I saw someone who looked like you with the Morris Dancers last
monday :)

/J\




Re: Monitors

2001-05-11 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 How many things do you have on top of your monitor?


Er, none this is a laptop :) I did have a wooden camel on top of the old
desktop machine but this is now on top of the telly.

/J\




An outside the M25 UK resident catches up on his mail (was Re: seeattachment)

2001-05-09 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:


 well i had 15 minutes to spare so i decided to do this ...


Its all over then ...

/J\




Re: Buffy musings ...

2001-05-08 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 18:26 08/05/2001, Dean wrote:
 On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:20:33PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 
   Whilst we're (kinda) on the topic, can I have a reminder of
   who's going to yapc.  I'm still umm-ing and ahh-ing over whther I can
   afford it (us phud students suffer for our science).
 
 I'm interested in going to YAPC, is London PM going as a group or is it all
 just ad-hoc?

 What do you _honestly_ think the answer to that question will be?


I _honestly_ believe that if the will is there we *will* get it together
as a group to go :)  I'm still just trying to find a reasonably priced
hotel with a proper bar ... :)

/J\




Re: Buffy musings ...

2001-05-08 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 21:59 08/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On Tue, 8 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 
   At 18:26 08/05/2001, Dean wrote:
   On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:20:33PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
   
 Whilst we're (kinda) on the topic, can I have a reminder of
 who's going to yapc.  I'm still umm-ing and ahh-ing over whther I can
 afford it (us phud students suffer for our science).
   
   I'm interested in going to YAPC, is London PM going as a group or is
  it all
   just ad-hoc?
  
   What do you _honestly_ think the answer to that question will be?
 
 I _honestly_ believe that if the will is there we *will* get it together
 as a group to go :)

 I'll believe it when I see it!

 I'm still just trying to find a reasonably priced hotel with a proper bar
 ... :)

 The organising committee are trying to get the details of the dorms in the
 school. These will be a) very cheap and b) very close to the venue.


I dont want to stay in no steenking dorms :)

/J\




Spammers dont you just love 'em

2001-05-06 Thread Jonathan Stowe

I think these people have a problem with spamming customers:

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Re: Apocalypse Two

2001-05-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 On Fri, 04 May 2001, you wrote:

  The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant
  is forever blessed.
  -- Old Japanese proverb

 The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant
 is extremely drunk.
   -- Old Yorkshire proverb


The man who sees, on New Year's Day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant
is :

   A) In need of a short stint in the Betty Ford clinic

   B) someone who needs to book back into The Priory PDQ

   C) someone who has been rifling in my stash box ...

BTW that is Aubergine not Egg plant :)

/J\




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30

2001-05-03 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Paul Mison wrote:

 On 03/05/2001 at 13:56 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote parenthetically:

 some of London.pm were over in NYC - is anyone going to write a report?

 Yes, eventually; I sent a message about this earlier but forgot to mung
 the sender address so it'll need approving (Mr Stowe?)


Done.

/J\




Re: Funny thing

2001-05-01 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but the code below gives a syntax
 error. I think it ought to do what it looks like it ought to do. What's
 the reason?

 $foo = 'bar';
 $foo =~ /bar/ and {print yes; print yes again;}


 ... and do { print ... };

 gives: syntax error at test line 2, near ; print

 $foo = 'bar';
 $foo =~ /bar/ and {print yes;}

 gives: syntax error at test line 2, near ;}


.. and do { print .. };

It is the semicolon that fucks this one.

 $foo = 'bar';
 $foo =~ /bar/ and {print yes}

 prints yes as expected.

 What's going on, eh?


You missed the :

Useless use of scalar ref constructor in void context at foo.pl line 2.
Odd number of elements in hash assignment at foo.pl line 2.

printing yes is a side affect :)

It thinks that it is a hash ref in a void where the first and only element
is the result of 'print yes' er 1 I think :)

/J\




Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

 Jonathan Stowe wrote:
  And hide the test failures if you are running on SCO OpenServer or
  Unixware  (see p5p passim) :)

 Does anyone still run SCO? Thought they'd all died.


Yep.  Our billing system runs on it.  And apart from the occasional
problem compiling more modern software on it - am generally happy with it.

/J\




Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Chris Ball wrote:

 [ I sent this earlier on, but it doesn't seem to have gone through -
   I'm trying again using the address I subscribed with, but I'm sure
   I've used a non-subscription address before. Are postings subscriber
   only ..? ]

Yes. postings are subscriber only - It's just the moderation fairy tries
to make things appear as seemless as possible :O

/J\




Re: DBD::*-bind_param() ?

2001-04-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:16:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  Clearly says someone who's hasn't installed Oracle recently!

 You can install Oracle now? Wow, they must have really been fixing it
 of late.


Great.  They keep sending me the 9i suite for Linux and I have just been
giving away the disks - maybe I'll install it next time they send it :)

/J\




Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Alex Page wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:47:47PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
  On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote:

   Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic

  What is this off-topic you speak of?  Is it a custom of your people?

 Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called goats-fans, for fans of Goats:
 the Comic Strip (http://www.goats.com - NOW!), and flaming and off-topic
 posting leads to the moderators kicking your arse severly.


Yeah.  I think I should cop more praise for being such a sweet, lovely
forgiving moderator :)

/J\




Re: davorg, evil destroyer of privacy

2001-04-27 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

 On Thursday, April 26, 2001, at 07:23  PM, Niklas Nordebo wrote:

  Gets a 9, apparently.
 
  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/26/1229238mode=thread

 I like the following comment (I know you've seen it, Niklas):

 =for amusement

 Boycott This Book!!! (Score:2, Troll)

snip woadges of libertarian claptrap

 =cut


Yeah I always knew Dave was a tool, er a tool of the capitalist hegemony
rather :)

/J\




Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote:

 Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The first (PerlIO) method ought to work though, because PerlIO
 layers are lower-level than tied filehandles. So if you can
 use perl 5.7.1...

 Sure ... now all I have to do is convince my boss 5.7.1 is the best choice
 for a production environment ...


And hide the test failures if you are running on SCO OpenServer or
Unixware  (see p5p passim) :)

/J\




Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote:

 Hi,

 Sorry to pollute this list with a question about Perl...

 I am writing a customer handler for loading modules at runtime, taking
 advantage of the support for coderefs in the @INC array. By deleting entries
 in the %INC hash for loaded modules I can force Perl to recompile the module
 after it has been first loaded. This is particularly important with
 mod_perl, since the modules themselves may change during the life of the
 program.


So whats wrong with StatInc ?

/J\




Re: Company Name

2001-04-25 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:39:38PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
  I thought of Shiels IT Services,
  but one potential acronym of this is not very pleasing :-)

 Well, that might be a feature, you know. After all, it's what a lot of people
 think of when they think of contractors.


Oooh get her :)


/J\




Program::Approx

2001-04-24 Thread Jonathan Stowe

Well I guess it was going to happen sooner or later, consider :

package Foo;
use strict;
use Text::Soundex;
use File::Basename;
use Devel::Symdump;

use Dircon::Billing::AutoID;


my $obj = Devel::Symdump-new(__PACKAGE__);

no strict 'refs';

my %funcs = map { s/.*://; (soundex($_),\{$_} ) } $obj-functions();

my ($name, $path, $ext )  = fileparse($0,'\..+');

my $sname = soundex($name);

if ( exists $funcs{$sname} )
{
   print $funcs{$sname}-(@ARGV);
}
else
{
   die $0: $name not defined\n;
}


Then of course calling the program something like one of subroutines
defined in or imported into the current package will cause that subroutine
to be run with @ARGV as its arguments.

I was tempted to use the above code in the real world, but I plumped for
something similar without the subroutine discovery and without the soundex
- the program name - subroutime mapping hard-coded in.  I sometimes think
of the sanity of those that might follow.

/J\








Re: frot the box

2001-04-24 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  the stuff has arrived, so we'll probably have a go at putting shiney new
  things in penderel tomorrow evening.
 
  if there's a time when this would inconvenience you, let me know and i'll
  make a proper schedule if need be.  otherwise watch out for wall'd and irc
  announcements.

 was that:  if there's a time when this would inconvenience you and I'll
 try and avoid it  or 'and I'll tune for maximum invonvenience?' ... go
 with the latter .. you know it makes sense.



BOFH-fever, BOFH-fever, you've just got to do it ...

/J\




Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month

2001-04-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, David H. Adler wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 04:14:02PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
  On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 04:04:55PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
   On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 They have *the* best electric bass player
in the entire world,
  
   ummm ... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that honour bestowed on
   Norman Watt Roy ?
 
  Clive off of (void) told me to mention Billy Sheehan, Stu Hamm and
  Jaco Pastorius and see what happened :-)

 I would just like to throw in John Glascock, 'cause no one ever talks
 about him and I liked him.


I'll see your John Glassock and raise you a Marcus Miller 


/J\




Re: BtVS : Best Male

2001-04-20 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote:

  I had bleached hair once and I looked gorgeous - mind I had pink hair once
  as well ... :)

 another twenty years matey and you'll be posting :
 " i had hair once ... " :))


Another couple of weeks probably (he says picking hairs off the
keyboard) :)

/J\




Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month

2001-04-20 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:

 5/2/2001  Pizza Express   London, England

Which Pizza Express ?

/J\




Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
  Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at
  me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

  "And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
  you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
  in a programming match."


I think I should take him up on it - who said life was fair :)

I guess you lot count as 'any supporter'.

/J\




Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, jo walsh wrote:


  On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
   This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
 
  Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?

 i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a
 little while...

How can you inadvertently hack ?

/J\




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 Simon Wistow wrote:
 
  This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
^^

 *cough*

 Frscking, sucking, send shortcuts in netscape.

 Apologies.


I guess it was inevitable really 

/J\




Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract

Borrocks

/J\




Re: BtVS : Best Male

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

 On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 02:59  AM, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  i seem to remember something about spike looking better with out his
  bleached hair look according to MG

 Practically everybody looks better without bleached hair.

I had bleached hair once and I looked gorgeous - mind I had pink hair once
as well ... :)

/J\




Belgian Art House Movies ( was Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm)

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On 19 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  * Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   Wednesday, April 18, 2001, 5:37:22 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
 Mike Jarvis wrote:
  CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz.
  
   DHA Clarification:  That's Freddie Prinz, Jr.  His father was the star of
   DHA Chico and the Man, a sitcom of, uh, mid-70s vintage, I think.  Don't
   DHA know if it ever made it across the water, though.
  
   Since Sr. is dead,
 
  Buffy always did dig dead guys...

 Dig _up_ dead guys?


What was that Belgian Art House movie of the eighties which started out
with the guy being taken the piss of as a teenager as a child because of
his acne and ends with him being arrested for stealing a corpse to have
his wicked way with ?

/J\




Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:43:09PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
   From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:30 PM
  
CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz.
  
   Why would that bother us? Remember, we're all Willow fans here.
 
  Heh.  A friend of mine just asked me if I was upset about this, and my
  response was similar...
 

 Just like Davina McCall she waited until i was married before she gave
 up and settled for second best!


Yeah, but the woman aint got no dress sense - she always appears on TV
with a stoat around her neck.

/J\




Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, AEF wrote:



 On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Martin Ling wrote:

  Hmm. I know someone who quite fancies Anya.

  Mmm. Anya.


You'd have to gag her first :)

/J\




Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

 Barbie wrote:
  The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation
  for you. the bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then
  again seeing as they've done the job of porting the package
  you'd hope it was tested at their end. At least that's what
  _I'm_ hoping.

 Yes. The PPM used to be really meagre with builds 5xx (5.005_**) but with
 6xx (5.6.*) the situation has improved. I believe they have some kind of
 semi-automated way of making PPMs from CPAN modules.


ExtUtils::MakeMaker has support for producing PPD stuff now - I guess this
came in with 5.6.0 ...

/J\




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

  segwayed

I dont think so Simon ...

/J\




Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Chris Benson wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:26:54PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix
  box in question is running AIX.

 *Cough* several IBM people I've spoken to believe that IBM's
 FastConnect(tm) "PC integration software for AIX" or whatever,  *is*
 SAMBA ... and IBM were listed as supporters on the 2.x release notes
 this week ...  (an the "IBM HTTP server" is Apache ...).


I have a supsicion that SCO's 'VisionFS' is the same deal - or rather it
is a re-engineering of SMB or CIFS or whatever they want to call it ...

/J\




Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
   * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   
http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
   
  
   JS! stop it i'm replying!
 
 LOL at Greg's post.

 Greg++


You've upset them now :

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4473

/J\




Re: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX

2001-04-17 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 Sorry to drag the list off-topic, but I've a Perl question!

 I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first time
 I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible that
 it's a wider issue.

 The 'make' seems to go ok, but when I run 'make test' I get the same error
 for each test file:

 t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so' for
 module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A file or
 directory in the path name does not exist. at
 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168.

  at t/unbroken-text.t line 2
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/unbroken-text.t line 2.
 dubious
 Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200)


 Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file
 exists and is readable.

 The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than gcc.

 Does anyone have any clues about this?


Is AIX one of those OS that requires you to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or some
equivalent to load a shared library - although this shouldnt be the case
for the binary part of a module because dynaloader searches in a bunch of
places relative to @INC ...

Is it some other .so file that Parser.so uses ? What does ldd tell you ?

/J\




Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads

2001-04-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 10:25:33AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

  because for it to be accepted as an official religion (whatever the hell
  that is) you need 20,000 people in the country to claim to follow it ..

 This is of course bullshit, but then you all knew that already, right?
 If you fill in your own made-up religion, then you'll just get lumped in
 with all the other weirdoes regardless of whether you put Jedi, Discordian,
 Cthulhuan or whatever.


I was under the impression that if a large enough sample of people
indicated the same 'alternative religion' in the census then it would
achieve a degree of statistical significance to  cause it to get on the
summary statistics that are published - I dont think that it has any
bearing on its official acceptance however ...


/J\




Re: perlcert list?

2001-04-13 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 Is it me or is the perlcert list dead? I've not seen any messages for days
 and one I tried now just vanished?


Er no.  You appear to have sent thed message from an account that is not
subscribed.  I have approved the message now, I was a little busy
yesterday.

/J\




Re: kudos to j.stowe

2001-04-13 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:


 Or very own J.Stowe makes alt.humor.best-of-usenet 

 ( i must say getting sent to ahbou is one of my remaining goals
   in life, but it might be hampered by not posting to usenet )


If you search for comp.lang.perl.misc in Google Usenet Search (nee Daja
News ) you will find literally hundreds of them from that source.

/J\




Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads

2001-04-13 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  I just saw this ...
 
  http://www.jenerator.org/images/jh1.gif
 
  and thought it was the coolest letter head i had seen, have you seen
  a better one?

 yeah yeah yeah .. never mind that ..

 I think the content of the letter was more disturbing. I mean I always
 thought Kermit was a Nice Guy(tm) .. but it looks like he got his Land
 Sharks to write to someone threatening all sorts of heavy legal stuff
 just for registering the domain muppetfucker.net .. damm I wish I had
 thought of that one :)


You havent seen the Bert  Ernie stuff on the interweb then  :)

/J\




Re: re-release of autodial

2001-04-12 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:


 the new version of autodial  - codenamed  DiaKiller,

 is available at http://droogs.org/autodial/

 it no longer kills dia, in fact it works quite well with a few caveats -
 it is much easier to test with Dia, rather than parsing the xml in my
 head. :)


Hey but I filed a bug report on Dia anyhow as it really shouldnt do that
whatever it is you feed it :)

/J\




Linux::Svgalib

2001-04-11 Thread Jonathan Stowe

A couple of people have made interested noises about this - I have
uploaded an alpha version to CPAN (dont be misled by the version number)
if you want to have alook its at :

http://cpan.valueclick.com/modules/by-authors/id/J/JS/JSTOWE/Linux-Svgalib-1.2.t
ar.gz

I wouldnt suggest running on your most popular server though ...

/J\




Re: Dia diagrams from your perl!

2001-04-10 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:

 and it can be found at http://droogs.org/autodial/

The download link is b0rked though 


/J\




Re: Torvalds not impressed with OS X

2001-04-09 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Chris Devers wrote:

 At 08:22 AM 9.4.2001 +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 personally the ultimate task of any minimise/restore function should  be
 to get a window on or off the dispaly as fast as possible ... slowly
 attempting some graphical wizardry whilst chewing up CPU resources its
 not one of the things I lust after .. but YMMV :)

Alternate genie effects [for OSX]

The "genie effect" is what happens when you click the yellow
   "minimize" button. You'll see your window get sucked down into
   the dock, as though it were being drawn into a funnel. While
   quite cool the first few times, some people (me!) have found
   it a little annoying after a while. Those with slower machines
   may also find it something of a CPU hog.

Luckily, Apple included a way to change the genie effect, but
   chose not to put it into a GUI tool at this time. I'm sure
   someone will have one written within a week, but for now,
   here's how you do it. Open a terminal session (the Terminal
   application is inside Applications/Utilities), and type one
   of the following:

  defaults write com.apple.Dock mineffect genie

Java !!?

/J\




Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe



irda0 Link encap:IrLAP  HWaddr 91:0c:fc:ed
  inet addr:10.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP RUNNING NOARP  MTU:2048  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:259 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:8


Who needs wavelan :)


/J\




Re: Test from uuencode boy

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 test.  can you read this one, or is it attached?  This is in Microsoft
 Outlook Rich Text.  The previous mails have been sent in Plain Text.


Sort of - pine seems to prefer the disclaimer over the body of the message
as an alternative part but I have just installed it and the configuration
may be shagged ...

/J\




print unpack 'u*' (was RE: )

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 begin 777 RE:
 M65S(AE(1I9"P@=6YF;W)T=6YA=5L2!I('=AVXG="!H97)E(9OB!I
 M="X@($D@:5R96)Y(-E87-E(9R;VT@"G1A;MI;F@=\@6]U(QO="!U


'fix my outlook' Hmm.  There is a very good DEL command that comes
with Winders ISTR.  You will probably be wanting to install PC-Pine
or something similar ...

/J\




Language (was Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat))

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:

  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
   Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
   /usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
 
  I'm afraid that's as silly as me declaring that there's only one correct
  parsing of English, and that's how *I* parse it.

 No it's not that silly ;-)  Maybe it's on the same level of silliness as
 the concept of 'the Queen's English' (the idea being that the Queen 'owns'

WHEN that Aprilis, with his showers swoot,
The drought of March hath pierced to the root,
And bathed every vein in such licour,
Of which virtue engender'd is the flower;
When Zephyrus eke with his swoote breath
Inspired hath in every holt and heath
The tender croppes and the younge sun
Hath in the Ram  his halfe course y-run,
And smalle fowles make melody,
That sleepen all the night with open eye,
(So pricketh them nature in their corages);
Then longe folk to go on pilgrimages,
And palmers for to seeke strange strands,
To ferne hallows couth  in sundry lands;
And specially, from every shire's end
Of Engleland, to Canterbury they wend,
The holy blissful Martyr for to seek,
That them hath holpen, when that they were sick.


/J\




Re: Test

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:

 * at 04/04 15:58 +0100 Robin Houston said:
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:09:02PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
   [...] the HTML hanger on serves no purpose except to consume
   my disk space at 4 times the rate.
 
  You mean you *archive* this bollocks?

 doesn't eveyone archive all their mail? *some* of it *might*
 be useful at some point. and it's not like disk space is at a premium
 these days


Er, yes I believe I have on sundry 'pooteys around here the entire life
history of London.pm  


/J\




Re: Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 
  Who needs wavelan :)
 

 people who want to type with more than one hand

 (the other one will be holding the machine steady so its port doesn't
  go  out of line with the other port)


So its no good for surfing for pr0n then :)

Alternatively could one alter the hardware to have a wider spread on the
interface by frigging with the lens on the IR port ?

ANyone else who might be at the AAnchor tomorrow got IrLan working on
their Lappies ?

/J\




Re: Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  ANyone else who might be at the AAnchor tomorrow got IrLan working on
  their Lappies ?
 

 the right answer is no - trust me


Wuss :)

/J\




Re:

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:23PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
  Clarke, Darren wrote:
   It appears I have been remiss with the HTML/text thing - I
   can only blame Outlook for this since I have set it to text
   but didn't check the 'format switch' on each mail.
 
  I blame MSexChange instead. At least for our setup. And because Outlook
  *used* to send out plain text emails as plain text just fine, until someone
  fiddled with the MSexChange configuration.

 Then don't use it.  "The company makes me do it" is not an acceptable
 excuse.  People who wish to test their mail client should do so elsewhere.



In the, er, style of the Harry Enfields characters :

  Calm Down, Calm Down waves hand horizontally

I will e-mail the offenders a copy of PC-Pine in the morning :)

/J\




Re: Gellyfish fixes to r00t someones laptop on the train

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
ANyone else who might be at the AAnchor tomorrow got IrLan working on
their Lappies ?
   the right answer is no - trust me
  Wuss :)

 no i've been wondering where you find TB's of storage you use to
 store every mailing list in existence, now i know

 bait

 besides you won't turn up anyway, you always say your gonna and
 then you just shy away, scared of having to drink with some
 british perl mongers as opposed to some poor yanks in the ica
 bar who can't drink ;-) ;-) ;-)

 /bait


/me rolls up my drinking sleeves :)

I f**king will you freak troll

/me smocches greggy

/J\




Re: Mail archiving scripts?

2001-04-04 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Neil Ford wrote:

 Following on from recent topics, can anyone point me at any scripts to help
 with breaking up mailbox files?

Mr Barr's mailtools have all the gubbins required - available from your
local CPAN :)

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use strict;

use Mail::Util qw(read_mbox);
use Mail::Internet;
use Mail::Header;
my $mess_list = read_mbox('/var/spool/mail/gellyfish') || die "Aieee\n";
foreach my $message (@{$mess_list} )
{
   my $mail = Mail::Internet-new($message);
   my $head = $mail-head; # A Mail::Header;
   print "Mail from : ",$head-get('From'),
 " Subject : ", $head-get('Subject'),"\n";
   foreach my $body_line (@{$mail-body})
{
  print $body_line;
}
}

For instance ...

/J\





True Scientology Story (was Re: More Scientology stuff, ignore ifyou are not interested was Re: archiving)

2001-04-03 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 03 April 2001 13:56
 
   So, should we start baiting Scientologists through the archive?
 
  Where do I start?
 
  * L Ron Hubbard is on record as saying the best way to make money is to
  start a religion. A few years later he founded the church of scientology.
 

 as in CoS 

 "People should be free to believe whatever they want, including Scientology.
 What I have against CoS is its deceitfulness, its lack of compassion for its
 members (especially the hard-working staff), its aggressive hard sell, its
 arrogance, its attack on free speech, its litigiousness, its harassment of
 its critics, its lack of concern for families, its gross neglect and abuse of
 children, etc. "

 from http://www.xenu.net/cb-faq.html

 you can also help out at http://www.xenu.net/support.html
 
  Is that the sort of thing you wanted?
 

 exactly dave, it makes me feel that the archive have some use!


I have one Scientology story -

A couple of years ago I was in East Grinstead hospital (thing 'Guinea Pig
Club') while they were trying to fix the little finger on my right hand (
they failed but thats another story ).  There was this nice Maori guy in
the bed next to me out of his head on pain-killers as he had third degree
burns on his arms.  Anyhow it transpired that he was part of a Maori
dancing troupe that was doing some cultural tour at the behest of the
Church of Scientology whose european headquarters happen to be in East
Grinstead.  The second day I was in the hospital I was beginning to get a
little pissed off as you do and  this party of bloody Scientology Auditors
came along and started doing their thing with this geezer with only the
merest of hospital screens around - I dont think that they get out the old
baked bean can and avometer device ( Oooh sorry E-Meter ) but you can
never be too sure -  and this started going on for seeming hours and I was
that bored that I had started reading Bjarne Stroustrup' book again.

I'm not going to bore you with the details of wahat the prats were going o
about but needless to say it could be deduced from Hubbards earlier
writings and the basic milieu of cod spychology of the early sixties ...

I complained to the staff and they said it pissed them off too but they
got a lot of them in being the HQ and everything and they couldnt do much
about it 


/J\




Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread Jonathan Stowe



On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject
  to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
  vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm
  shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a
  camp fire, drinking and talking.

 Why the hell not.  The farm which I believe Greg has in mind
 (www.middlefarm.com) also sells mead.  Yum!


Ah, Middle Farm . this sounds like an idea - and its in the same
county as me :)

/J\




The Open Constitution Project (was Re: Crazy Idea)

2001-04-03 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, AEF wrote:


 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Mison wrote:

  http://www.openbritain.gov.uk/

  Kewl. Is it GPL?


OK.  SO we persuade Mr Horne to blag us electronic copies of the entire UK
law, upload it to the CVS server on SourceForge and then announce the
project on slashdot 

I'm not entirely sure the GPL is adequate for licensing a Constitution but
who knows :)

/J\




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Martin Ling wrote:

 Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
 and no-one told me?


YOu havent been around here very long have you :)

/J\




Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be
  without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up
  with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses
  to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner.

 It's a fair point. But do Learning Tree have a good reputation in the
 marketplace? I'm not sure they do.


I categorically refused yesterday to allow any of out people to be sent on
a Learning Tree Perl course ...

/J\




Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree
 from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning
 tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it
 would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when
 the forum was established would give them slightly less
 clout.


Absolutely right.  To bring Learning Tree (or any other Commercial
Training House ) would mean we would prbably be compelled to go along with
what they already teach - which may or may not be any good as far as we
are concerned - after all they have a whole bunch invested in training
materials and existing trainers which they are not going to give up easily
...


Possibly a first step would be to work out how to certify the certifiers
as it were ...


/J\




Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
 I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be
 that it parses approximate Perl.


Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it to
work' redundant ?

Crack Head.

/J\




Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

 4.46 Nick Cleaton

 Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish...


He heh

Look what they say I got :

Total Tests Completed  41233
Your Rank (1 = top) 40653
Your Percentile (99 = top): 1

Ah - See, you have to put in the score 

/J\






Re: CPAN Logo

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:


 when did CPAN get a funky new logo ...

 http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg


H

/J\




Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
  4.46 Nick Cleaton
  4.46 Maurice Buxton
  Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.

 Me four.

 Although they seem to have lost my score.

 I have a nice shiny certificate though ...


Nick say's he has a nice shiny certificate as well - I have one 'Saying
Certified Perl Master' but they appear to have lost my score - it was
about tow years ago I took the test 

I took the free Korn Shell one and got 3.85 just before lunch which was
pretty impressive as I was beginning to get impatient after about 15 out
of 40 questions.

/J\




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