RE: Some pretty pictures ...

2001-06-11 Thread Matthew Jones

 For some reason, that reminded me of tchrist, especially the 
---^^^

Is that Northern for Jesus?

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RE: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

2001-05-24 Thread Matthew Jones

  Wow, and she's got three kids by Steven Seagal.
 
 The eighties were a crazy decade and people did a lot of things they
 regret.

Well, would *you* say no to Steven Seagal?

-- 
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'What you have begun in anger you shall end in shame.'



RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Matthew Jones

Dave Cross:
   And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a 
   woman (or man) was simply by looking at a photo.
 
 Its in the eyes, Dave, its in the eyes.
 
 See, I find it's in the personality. Which doesn't come 
 across too well in glossy magazine.

Hmmm. I wonder how you'd go about making personality pr0n?

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gonna kick it root down. 



RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Matthew Jones

 I seem to recall some comic giving a rant to the effect of Used to be
 just the magazines on the top shelf, everyone knew where they were,
 everyone knew what they were for. Then these FHM, Loaded, etc though -
 huh?  What are they, for blokes who aren't sure if they want to
 masturbate?

Not just them (they're also for boys in their early teens who can't buy
Razzle). And my missus is a Loaded reader. She says that she genuinely likes
the articles and the magazine's sense of humour, but then she says that she
genuinely likes me, so I suppose that puts her taste into question! :)

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RE: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread Matthew Jones

  See, I find it's in the personality. Which doesn't come 
  across too well in glossy magazine.
 
 Hmmm. I wonder how you'd go about making personality pr0n?
 
 Mills and Boon.

Well, no, I just had this conversation offlist. I'd say that personality
pr0n is an oxymoron. YMMV.

-- 
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RE: Some Northern Irish Fun and Games ...

2001-05-18 Thread Matthew Jones


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1336000/1336347.
stm

Maybe their reason is wrong, but banning line dancing is a worthy end,
surely? We could get rid of Steps at a stroke. Except Faye, of course.

-- 
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RE: Some Northern Irish Fun and Games ...

2001-05-18 Thread Matthew Jones


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1336000/1336347.
stm

Oh! This has to get my Quote of the Week:

As far as it being sensual, that is not a word you would attribute to
country music. 

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gonna kick it root down. 



Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

Robert Shiels:
 Over the next 4 years, Labour
 will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the 
 country will swing back to the party of low taxes, who will
 be re-elected in 2006.

Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I think are
important (decent public services) is because they've hamstrung themselves
with this clueless tory low-tax approach. I genuinely believe that the
public are sick of watching the NHS, education system etc wasting away on a
starvation diet and would be willing to pay a bit of extra tax to make sure
that their kids can get schooled and that their sick can be healed.

As mentioned earlier in the thread by someone far more articulate than me, I
think the Labour Party lurched to the right just when the country was moving
back left again.

Let's face it, it's possible to say Labour isn't working, but after the
systematic dismantling of manufacturing industry, the fragmentation and
decay of our rail infrastructure at the hands of private companies who sack
thousands of track maintenance staff to increase profit margins, boom and
bust economics leading to the worst recession in decades, deregulation of
the cattle-feed industry leading directly to the BSE crisis that made
British meat an international laughing-stock/pariah ... I could go on ...
I'd say that conservative ideas worked a lot worse.

You can't expect public services that have seen two decades of alternating
neglect and red-tape frenzy, with a workforce that is completely demoralised
after being scapegoated for twenty years (What do you mean we've screwed
the education system - it's the fault of those loony-left teachers and their
'progressive' ideas!) to be turned round in four years, especially if the
government doesn't have the guts to make a hard decision and actually raise
the cash to do it.

You want to reduce waiting lists and class sizes? It all costs, people. This
election should be fought on exactly those lines:  low taxes and
ever-shittier public services versus increased tax and a national
infrastructure that actually works. And do you know what? I think that
people would choose the latter. I think that's what they chose in 1997 (not
so much I'm sick of the tories as I'm sick of the state in which the
tories have left the bnationspublic services) but Blair and chums thought
it was down to their economic bandwaggoning. 

I have deeply unfashionable political views, though. I think tax and spend
is a *good idea*.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 I genuinely believe that the
 public are sick of watching the NHS, education system etc 
 wasting away on a starvation diet and would be willing to pay
 a bit of extra tax to make sure that their kids can get schooled
 and that their sick can be healed.
 
 When have they ever been asked?

During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I
reckon) seen as the guardian of the public services, the party that is
traditionally associated

 Money isn't enough. America spends more on education per 
 pupil than anywhere else in the world - think that works?

Yeah, but doesn't most of that go on flak jackets for the teachers? Heh,
seriously, though, money may not be enough, but that doesn't translate to
the education system doesn't need any more money. What's needed is proper
funding, a modicum of professional respect to be handed back to the teaching
profession (there's a *reason* why there's a huge recruitment crisis in
teaching and nursing at the moment), and for successive governments to stop
meddling the system around with pet vanity initiatives designed more to
score political points than improve the system. The amount of work your
average teacher has to do has shot up because of this sort of scheme, but
the amount of time they spend in the classroom actually teaching *has gone
down*.

 Government-run projects don't work, even when they're heavily funded.

That's an awfully sweeping statement to make.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church.  Any
 volunteers for my other minions?  Even if you don't want a cabinet
 post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman.  You'll get 25 days
 holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench.

Minister for Perilous Boogiedowns, please.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 In 1997 the UK voted against the Conservatives. The policies 
 being offered by the parties were close to identical.

For values of conservative that are low-tax/shitty services, IMHO. The
policies may have been close, but the perception of the two parties still
pointed at Labour as the party of decent public services

 How about stopping and thinking about it _before_ throwing money at it
 just for a change, then?

There's an old saw you can't solve a problem just by throwing money at it.
Well, sorry, but you can if it's a problem of underfunding. Try telling the
headteacher whose school roof is collapsing that you have to go and have a
good think about his problem before you throw money at it[0]. Perhaps he
could sack another couple of his teaching staff or get them to take a
further pay cut? There's the Conservative answer as I perceive it.

The fact of the matter is that many state schools are dreadfully short on
the following:

a) textbooks
b) computers
c) teaching staff

I don't think you have to spend an awfully long time thinking hard before
you see where the money needs to be thrown.

-- 
matt | I mean to make you move with my planet infallible 

[0] Of course, back in the day, his friendly neighbourhood Local Authority
would have just fixed it, but now he's grant maintained he has to pay for
everything himself.



RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 Just because they can't deliver those promises for those costs doesn't
 mean no one else can. If they knew they couldn't deliver within those
 cost constraints why did they lie and say they could?

Because they are (right-wing) politicians. Just look at the absurd
promisises Hague's lot are making now and they're also talking about doing
it with even *less* money (UKP 8 billion, isn't it?) Besides, they have
(more or less) kept most of the promises they made. I was talking about my
disappointment that they didn't go further by raising tax revenue.

The tories are going to have low tax and pay for improved public services
through cracking down on benefit fraud, apparently. Gah, if only someone
had thought of that before. 'Cos you can solve a long-term underfunding
problem by skinting out a few dodgy crusties.

 .. and if they
 didn't reallise they couldn't deliver at those prices, then it doesn;t
 say much for their grasp of economics.

See my point about Hague's promises above. What does that manifesto say
about the conservative grasp of economics? For all their faults, New Labour
do seem to be far better at running the economy than the Conservaticve
party.

 does anyone happen to have one of those little plastic credit 
 card things they were giving out before the last election with
 10 things 'let us be judged on these:' .. 

Yeah, and I saw a breakdown along those very lines on Channel 4 news, which
conluded that although some of it has slipped, the vast majority was
achieved. However, later they ran a piece that I thought was familiar
because it had been a Guardian editorial, so perhaps C4 news may have a
certain slant going.

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RE: Perl training

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 http://www.iterative-software.com/training/

Can you do another Perl course, please? 

CHOPS programming:

What's in the box?
This two day course is aimed at l4me to virtually pubescent Perl
programmers. We aim to give students the underpinning knowledge and skills
required for them to make a living killing people in Herefordshire.

Programmers who pass this course will have a solid foundation of general
immature bruised-ego flaming skills from which they can demonstrate their
ignorance in more specialist or advanced areas.

At the end of this course you should:

Be prepared to post ill-informed rantings to web-based programming message
boards.

Be familiar with howitzer-rectal penetrative techniques

Realise that for loops don't exist

Understand how using strict calls your sexuality into question


hem.

Oh, and http://www.iterative-software.com/training/extremeprogramming.html
404s.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 Ah, yes. That's like we're listening, isn't it, in response to the
 fuel crisis? We're not going to do anything, but we're happy 
 to listen.

That narked me about the fuel protestors. They claimed the government
aren't listening. Listen ne cave in to the selfish demands of a few
protestors who happen to be holding the nation to ransom (unwittingly in
cahoots, some say, with the oil companies).

You can listen and still say no. 

It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the dump
the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why
don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell?

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RE: More politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people 
 seem to think that low taxes are good?
 
 Because many people think that they are better judges of how their own
 money should be spent than the government (of whatever flavour) is.

This is something I've always wondered about. Given the economy of scale
etc, how do people think that they could get a cheaper service individually?
Hiring a few guys in a lorry to come to their house once a week and cart off
their rubbish, security guards to make sure your house isn't robbed, paying
for construction workers to fix holes in your road, private school and
medicine and so on. Has anybody worked out how much it would cost to buy the
same services as a private citizen compared to the cost that the state
charges in tax?

Also, how is a privately-run service more efficient if you have shareholders
creaming money off the top. Enlighten me.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 Hospital waiting lists are up, 

No, hospital waiting lists are down. The time spent waiting to get on the
wiating list is up. :)

 so are class sizes in schools.

No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the
pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

  the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government 
 drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell?
 
 You don't elect BP or Shell.

Well, precisely, they're companies, so you boycott them. Which is what I
thought that dump the pump was originally about; boycotting oil companies in
prrotest at their big markups (apparently). Somewhere along the way it
seemed (to me) to be hijacked by a large chunk of the countryside alliance.

The thing is, the petrol companies seem to be able to hike prices with
impunity. It's not just a matter of the protestors not boycotting them,
they're not even *criticised*. Shit, to hear some of these fuel protestors,
you'd not think that the oil companies play any part at all in setting the
price of fuel.

I have an irrational and unconfirmed theory that the right wing have decided
that they want a piece of this single-issue politics lark thankyou very
much, and now have a group who can whine and bitch about the government for
effects that are caused by someone else entirely.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 Are they in reality, or is it due to the current lot being in 
 lower birth years than the lot 4 years ago, and hence the secondary
 school numbers being up now?

Heh, it's pre-election statistics, so god knows what possible conne4ction to
reality they may have! :)

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RE: UK programmers left-wing? was Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 (trolllhave you ever
 noticed how left wingers tend to be less tolerant to the fact 
 that their views may be wrong than right wing people?/troll)

Ah, that's because we left-wingers *are* right, and also because secretly,
silently, you right-wingers know it, too. :P

-- 
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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce 
 class sizes in primary schools and to recruit more secondary school 
 teachers. How can they achieve the former without recruiting more 
 teachers? 

I'd assume that they would recruit more Classroom Assistants. Sort of
paradidacts who seem to me to be playing an increasingly large role in
primary education. Not strictly reducing the size of the class but reducing
the pupil/adult ration, I guess.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

 class but reducing the pupil/adult ration, I guess.
-^^

Heh. I bet it was the MAFF comment which planted that one.

-- 
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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones

  So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil 
  companies' cartel?
 
 use the tube and electric trains? Most power stations aren't oil fired
 AFAIK.

Not even then, I guess. Am I right in thinkming that many plastics are
(by-)products of the refining process? So that's internal combustion
engines, anything made from or out of plastics (whoa), some electricity ...

-- 
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RE: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

2001-05-10 Thread Matthew Jones

Dave Cross:
 You sound like the kind of person
 who would really enjoy the Cambridge Folk Festival

Or, indeed, the Holmfirth Folk Festival: on this weekend for all your real
ale, finger-in-ear, set-in-summer-wine-country needs
http://www.riceholm.demon.co.uk/

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RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07

2001-05-10 Thread Matthew Jones

http://www.unixbeard.net/~richardc/Photos/2001-04-30/2001-04-30.14:42:51.jpe
g

heh:

http://www.snurfer.org/sands/gfx/vertigo.jpg

Did your palms sweat too, richard?

-- 
matt | CHOPS 



sing if you're happy that way

2001-05-08 Thread Matthew Jones

Wisty - next T-shirt please:

use strict
  is gay

Heh. On the back -w is jolly?

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RE: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Matthew Jones

 How can you inadvertently hack ?

"I'll just quickly knock a little something together to do task X ... hmmm,
actually, wouldn't it be cool if it could also do task Y, just for
convenience sake ... hmm, that works, but I'm sure it could work
stronger/faster/better than before ... "

And so on until it's suddenly 5am and you're out of Red Bull.

-- 
matt | credo 



RE: Silly postings

2001-04-06 Thread Matthew Jones

Hm. Looking over this you might not want to read it if you're eating or
anything.

 I reserve judgement until I've had a NY pizza and a NY 
 coffee.  However, I expect neither to be up to the standards
 I expect :-)  You have to beat Roma* to be acceptable.

I've had a NY pizza and it was certainly the most *foul* pizza I have ever
had the misfortune of not being able to avoid eating (*inlcuding* McCain
frozen pizza). It was soggy, in fact, *wet*, the topping slid off the base
like scabs slipping off a weeping sore, and it fell to bits. Only a sample
of one, I know, but on the stength of that, {NY Pizza}--

 Said standards, BTW, give every single London / Paris  pizza 
 / coffee a fail mark, except the coffees I brew.

NY cawwfee, OTOH, really impressed me. I loved it. Merkan diner breakfasts
are great. Bacon and waffles and pancakes and syrup and eggs over easy and
home fries. They were very fulfilling indeed.

But what is it about NY toilets that only about three of them flushed
properly during my entire visit? Almost every time I or the people I was
with went into a kludgie, we found it blocked up by a grim combination of
ordure and bogroll. Didn't matter where we were, the hostel we stayed in,
the diners we went to, the tourist attractions, any publicly-available lav.
Ewww.

Oh and mm, turkish coffee. Yowsa.

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hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"



sheik your booty

2001-04-06 Thread Matthew Jones

 Elect is a harsh term here. The man was appointed, crowned if 
 you will. Not unlike youre queen, from what I can tell, though I've to 
 date never seen her described as a bumbling idiot. Maybe the BBC keeps 
 that quiet?

Heh, have you never *seen* "our" royal family in action?

It's not just the Inbred German Bint who's a bumbling idiot:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1263000/1263458.stm

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RE: Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread Matthew Jones

 I certainly don't consider myself "professional", even though I 
 try to ply my trade in what I believe to be a "professional" manner.

"I'm not a professional, I'm a gifted amateur."

The source of that escapes for the moment.

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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Jones

 True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) 
 here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn
 - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something
 about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein.

I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all
this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't
be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe
to the "well, you know what I mean" school of thought. 

I think this could be related to the (deja) suggestion that coders have to
pay a lot of attention to syntax and format in their work, and tend to bring
the same approach to writing english. Designers, however ...

I remember last year I helped a designer chum of mine subscribe to (void),
because I thought he might bring an interesting perspective to some of the
discussions. I then promptly unsubbed because of "stuff". When I came back,
I found out that he'd only wanted to witter, not argue and



formatted his emails


a
bit  like this.

and generally pissed people off. He still writes mails like that, all dreamy
and rightbrain.

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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Jones

 I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and 
 similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we 
 never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my
 adult hatred of Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of
 the same age did any real grammer in school so you can expect a fair
 size chunk of  20-22 year olds to have no real grasp of what constitutes
 good grammar.

Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled
during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify performance-related
bonuses, or running around like headless chickens to prepare for OFSTED
visits.

They went on strike quite a lot back then, too.

Anyway, back to the point. Many of my peers and friends who were taught
exactly the same punctuation stuff as me just ignored it and used things
like "could'nt" and "samwich's" and so on. I reckon it's less to do with it
being taight in schools and more to do with how much someone reads. If you
read a lot, you see the correct forms a lot and it sinks in. Similarly with
grammar, I reckon, although I have absolutely zero evidence to back that up.

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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Jones

 soapboax
 
 Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy
 decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the
 order of the day.
 
Oy! That's my family (lefty teachers) you're talking about! I went through
the state comprehensive system and was never touched by these so-called
"trendy teaching methods". And my Dad was one of these apparently "loony
left teachers".

 I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour
 of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?)

Nope, never heard of it. I learned to read proper english, as did everyone
else I know who was schooled at that time. I have never exerienced these
bizarre approaches you mention.
 
 I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression,
 society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you
 need before you can go out and break the rules. 

And that's exactly the education I got, from the state system, during the
seventies, with loony teachers. It appears we had *radically* different
experiences of the education system, Dave. I guess YMV.

-- 
matt



RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

2001-03-23 Thread Matthew Jones

 For even more points: What was the first TV show the Lenny Henry 
 appeared on?

Ironically for "right-on" Lenny, it was The Black And White Minstrel Show.

Ph3@r my Lenny Henry trivia skills!

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hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"
 



RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

2001-03-23 Thread Matthew Jones

  Ironically for "right-on" Lenny, it was The Black And White 
  Minstrel  Show.
 
 Hmm... now you've gone and made me doubt myself. I thought it was
 New Faces.

http://homepages.go.com/~chefjunkie/Lennysnotlaughing.html
http://ayup.co.uk/gods/gods0-4.html

Search for "Minstrel". Okay, so he was a token black guy without a major
role, but I *think* he appeared there first.

Interestingly, IMDB dewclines to mention the Minstrel show appearance *at
all*.

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RE: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Matthew Jones

  I'm interested if there are courses on offer. There's only so much 
  you can do with just yourself and a pile of O'Reilly books.
 
 I'd love to help, but we're not in a position to offer public courses
 yet - the cost of hiring rooms and PCs is too prohibitive.

Who said anything about doing them in meatspace? But fair enough. I was only
asking from a "if you're doing them anyway" sort of perspective. However,
please *do* give us a nod if enough interest is raised for you to start
offering them. 

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RE: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Matthew Jones

  I'm interested if there are courses on offer. There's only 
  so much you can do with just yourself and a pile of O'Reilly books. 
 
 The mind boggles ;)

No, not the *mind*! ;)

Oh, I forgot to mention the Prairie Squid (de-beaked, of course).

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RE: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Matthew Jones

 Not neccesary from a techical point of view.  Neccesary from a social
 point of view (What's this extension!  I don't understand!  
 What's going on!  

Excewpt that windows machines tend not to even show the extension by
default, and so the file will just have a little WinZip icon[0], which means
they should be happy. 

Oh no, wait a minute, I think it uncompresses the .gz bit then prompts for
what to do with the .tar bit, which might scare them off.

Just shut up, matt. 

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matt
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[0] Or whatever handles .tar.gz on their machine.



RE: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

2001-03-15 Thread Matthew Jones

 As a Perl novice I'd have to say the old version looks much better. 
 Just replacing Programming Perl would have been enough.

As another person at an early stage in my Perl self-development, I'll second
this, and add that I'd like to add the Owl book on regexps, although I
suppose that's not strictly perl-specific enough to go on the perl cd
bookshelf? And "Programming the Perl DBI", which I find very handy.

I got my copy of the Perl CD Bookshelf because it included books that
provide a reference for just about every stage of development.

-- 
matt jones



RE: Strange Request

2001-03-13 Thread Matthew Jones

 do you exclude this script from the archive on the basis that it
 uses TT?
 
 this question defines the archive of scripts a little. is the
 collection of scripts specifically aimed at the lowest commond
 denominator and tackling the MW problem directly, or is that
 just its core mission, and other scripts are welcome.

Surely there's nothing stopping you organising the archive in terms
dependencies on other modules.  Sort of - this will work on anything, but if
your system allows scripts to use TT, why not use *this*?

-- 
matt jones 




RE: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Matthew Jones

 Cordelia
  Airhead
 
 Arrogant, too. IMO.

Being a 8uffy refusenik, I'm a little confused by this conversation. Do you
think there might be any websites about 8uffy of Sarah Michelle Gellar out
there that I can trawl for info? I know it's a long shot.

Hem. :)

-- 
matt jones
'You will not know where we have struck until you have fallen.'



RE: t-shirts

2001-02-21 Thread Matthew Jones

 We've been talking about t-shirts on irc, and I think we should try
 to get some ideas together[1].

How about one with perlperlperlperlperl printed around the neck area in a
circle? You see where I'm going on this one?

-- 
matt jones 



RE: t-shirts

2001-02-21 Thread Matthew Jones

 The image of a necklace made out of letters "p", "e", "r", 
 "l" comes to mind. How early 90s.

Oo! Handbag! Heh, musta missed that one, sorry chums. I just thought it was
a nice Stone Roses reference.

-- 
matt jones 



RE: previous jobs

2001-02-01 Thread Matthew Jones

so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past?

I walways had crappy non-IT jobs. The absolute worst was when I went to work
in a plastics factory. As new boy, it fell to me to make sure that all the
waste plastic was disposed of as efficiently as possible. 

Translated, that meant dragging sack after sack of off-cuts to a large skip,
chucking them in, and then packing them down. i.e. fifty percent of my job
involved getting in the skip and jumping up and down on the rubbish.

Great at parties: 

"So, what do you do, then?"
"I jump up and down in a skip."
"Oh, hello Mr Icke!"

-- 
matt
you said it wasn't art, so now we're gonna rip you apart




RE: the list

2001-01-31 Thread Matthew Jones

It's oh so quiet.

After recent activity this is somewhat disconcerting.

OK, just in the interests of making traffic, then, here's a picture of me as
a baby:

http://website.lineone.net/~vineleaf/sands/gfx/mattjones.jpg

You see, you have ot get your priorities right at an early age.

-- 
matt
you said it wasn't art, so now we're gonna rip you apart




RE: Technical Meeting Venues

2001-01-29 Thread Matthew Jones

Speaking from a personal standpoint, I really enjoy the
technical meetings and think more of them would be really beneficial[2].  
I think they represent a lot of what we are us to and show that we're 
all not just talk 'n booze.  Hence I'm anxious to see them succeed.

I'd like to be able to attend your technical meetings, since compared to the
majority of you lot I'm pretty green, having only been using perl for just
over eighteen months. And this:

Bath.pm roots showing.  We used to discuss a fair amount of technical
(but not necessary perl related) stuff.  From this, I quickly progressed
into the well rounded perl programmer I am today[3]

Works for me as a testimonial to *.pm tech meetings. Tech meetings good.
Learning things from sharp people good.

So how do That.pm feel about some northern tyke scuttling down to join you
for the odd beer and tech meeting on a sort of semi-regular basis?

-- 
matt



RE: Technical Meeting Venues

2001-01-29 Thread Matthew Jones

 the minute i cross the river, i can feel grimness coming upon me

And they all talk funny.  North of the river they're all called Hamish
and Angus, and they wear flat caps and have whippets.

Eeeh, lad, 'appen tha's f'gottent' pigeon-fancying[1] and breakfasts
consisting entirely of clotted blood wrapped up in guts.

Mind you, as I've said elsewhere, the beer's *dead* cheap, and
properly-made. Which is why I tend to drink fizzy lager in That, because
I've yet to find a rub-a-dub that serves a decent pint of Real Ale[0]. Like
Old Eli or Enoch's Hammer from the Sair Inn[2].

-- 
matt
[0]Of course there's no ulterior motive for me wanting to come to That.pm
meetings ...
[1] Well done, Rob.
[2] http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/6006/sair.htm



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Matthew Jones

On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:03:52AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
  The fact you are recording is "What Billboard said was number one".
*That*
  is a fact. Why they decided it was number one isn't the issue.
 How about if I put up a website wherein I disclose the fact: "This is what
 the object code to commercial app looks like?"

Is this relevant at all?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/16147.html
"The injunction was granted thanks to new European database laws that
essentially assume data to be copyrightable"

Does that mean things like the Billboard charts? They could certainly try
and demonstrate an adverse effect on their revenues from licensing their
listings...

-- 
matt
"The problem with youth culture and media today is that young people are
given the impression that they actually are doing something, when in fact
they are only needed as participants in a staged marketing event."  -
Wolfgang Tillmans



RE: Access Control Lists and Functions

2001-01-15 Thread Matthew Jones

In my case, Japanese was very much the latter.  I have deep respect 
for anyone who can master it.

The only Japanese I know:

"Anata no zubon wa taihen kirena desu!"

Not many applications.

-- 
matt
"What? I don't speak your crazy moon-language." 



RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-05 Thread Matthew Jones

 my vote the one, the only ... Charlie's Angels

That was a fun film and entertaining but I need more that kung fu and
breasts
to make a good 90 mins...

Why would anyopne need more than kung fu to enjoy a fillum?

"Crouching Tiger - Hidden Dragon" is best film of 2000 for my money. Breasts
are an optional bonus. Am I going to get slapped down for saying that?

Other thread. ActiveState Perl. I have that on my smoke-spouting station
wagon, but I tend to do most of my actual monkeying using the slightly gimpy
version on my sedan. The perennial problem of wanky memory management is a
huge pain with MacPerl, however.

I get to use a proper sparcstation at werg, though.

-- 
sun-earther matthew boogieboy jones of HUDDERSFIELD



RE: new years eve

2001-01-05 Thread Matthew Jones

This could be the ideal
opportunity for that drunken Paranoia game we've been promising ourselves
for so long.  Yes, it *definitely* has to be drunken.

It's been literally years since I played paranoia! It's by far the best RPG
*ever*. It neatly sidesteps the whole "take the whole thing too
seriously/powergamers" problem, and I love the BOFHly role the GM has to
take on.

Beautiful

-- 
Maff-U-Jones
stay alert. trust no-one. keep your laser handy.

catch up.



RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-05 Thread Matthew Jones

Why would anyopne need more than kung fu to enjoy a fillum?

I dunno. Plot? shrug/

Here's my idea of a good plot:

Wang Hoo: "Eight Castle-Smasher Fists! Feet on Seven Stars!"
(sticks rigidly to form)

Tsing Wa: "Left Hand Buddha Palm! Right Hand Buddha Fist!"
(also sticks rigidly to form)

A fight ensues.

Wang Hoo: "Drunken Buddha Style!"

Tsing Wa: "Watch out for my hidden attack!"  (eh? -ed)

"Crouching Tiger - Hidden Dragon" is best film of 2000 for my money.

Hey, it's that fun American release/UK release argument again (since
CTHD isn't out here until... well, actually it's today. The Guardian
like it too, fwiw.

Never mind what country it was released in and when. If you saw it in 2000,
they you're entitled to include it in your personal best of the year, I
reckon.

-- 
sun-earther matthew boogieboy jones of HUDDERSFIELD
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