RE: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Paul Mison

On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was
 he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.)

Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in
Australia.

Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)

Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd be easy.

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Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-15 Thread Paul Mison

On 15/06/2001 at 09:17 +0100, Dean wrote:
Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together
or is
the whole thing going to be ad hoc?

Not yet, no. (Oh, and what are the cheapest flights from London City?
Living in skanky East London's got to be good for *something*.)

I know i asked this before but with the success of the NY trip i was
hoping
someone would be feeling ambitious and volenter... (Although i worked at
Oven and hence can't organize a pissup in a brewery :))

Organising anything for London.pm once a year is enough. (Oh, did the
pub evaluation sessions happen this week, or did I miss something?)

Anyway, I thought Oven's pissup/brewery exercise went very well,
although it could be no-one remembers because of absinthe poisoning.

On 15/06/2001 at 09:17 +0100, David Cantrell wrote:

That's odd, I'm sure I remember Oven doing at least that one thing well!

See, that absinthe's powerful stuff.

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Re: Some pretty pictures ...

2001-06-11 Thread Paul Mison

On 08/06/2001 at 12:30 +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
... and some not so pretty pictures.

http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/london.pm/2001-06-07/

Bah. Too many of me. And not enough of you here:

http://husk.org/perl/pics/

Warning: dislike of flash may lead to fuzzyness and light trails.

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Re: Some pretty pictures ...

2001-06-11 Thread Paul Mison

On 11/06/2001 at 11:10 +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://husk.org/perl/pics/

http://www.well.com/user/pdcawley/misc_images/

But I may be biased.

Nah, they are nice. But you've been selective, I'm assuming (unless
you've just taken seven photos in your entire life) whereas I just
upload all of my photos (except the ones in NY), so they're all
available for ridicule.

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Re: Some pretty pictures ...

2001-06-11 Thread Paul Mison

On 11/06/2001 at 12:46 +0100, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not very perlish I'm afraid.

a) I'm sure that will change in time (any camel shots?).

http://husk.org/lndn/circ/compat/DSCF0102.jpg

See, the advantages of posting everything.

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Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Paul Mison

On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:

Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA.
Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
shop,
or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc
vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark
Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the
street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there.

Mind you, I'm no good at the haggling thing, so YMMV.


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Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Paul Mison

On 07/06/2001 at 11:12 +0100, Tony Kennick wrote:

2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of
zoom,
just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real
want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life.

Morgans? http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/default.asp?Category=11

It's on New Oxford Street, so possibly you can have a look before the
meet tonight. They have second hand and refurb laptops of various
vintages (right back to bogstandard Pentiums, iirc.)

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Re: Religion

2001-06-06 Thread Paul Mison

On 06/06/2001 at 10:47 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:54:04 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 however Sir Arnold Bax [1] got slightly closer to the truth:

 One should try everything once, except incest and folk dancing

Bah, I had it in my sig file (now amended) as Sir Thomas Beecham. However,
see the bottom of http://www.paston.co.uk/ukppg/kempsmen.html for a bit of
investigation.

Argh! Paston Chase! Norwich! Make the memories stop, Daddy!

On the day of the last general election I saw the May Day morris men
outside Norwich Cathedral. Odd juxtaposition if you ask me. Turns out
it was this lot. (There was a surprisingly big group of people,
considering how early in the morning it was.)

Incidentally, why won't AltaVista find any pages containing arnold bax?
(or arnold, or bax, for that matter)

I think you'll find everyone's using Google these days, cos it's not
shit. AV looks borked to me.

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Re: Religion

2001-06-06 Thread Paul Mison

On 06/06/2001 at 11:27 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Paul Mison wrote:

 On the day of the last general election I saw the May Day morris men
 outside Norwich Cathedral. Odd juxtaposition if you ask me. Turns out
 it was this lot. (There was a surprisingly big group of people,
 considering how early in the morning it was.)

why do you find it strange .. Morrismen are odd to start with, the fact
that they get up early in the morning too should comea s no surprise ...

I meant the crowd watching them. Didn't they have better things to do?
(My excuse is that work was locked and they didn't give me a key. Which
is silly, since if you have people who want to come in and work over
the weekend, early in the morning or late at night, you should
encourage them, right? No wonder the company has now died.)

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Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Mison

On 01/06/2001 at 13:03 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

so when is the next bang holiday weekend?

2001-08-27. Hence the crazy golf must be on 2001-08-25. (Palm Desktop)++

The next one after that is in December. (Anyone standing on the
platform of reforming bank holidays? I'd buy that for a dollar.)

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RE: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Mison

On 01/06/2001 at 13:16 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM

 (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays?
 I'd buy that for a dollar.)

Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday
on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day
wasn't it?

Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point,
coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka
Whitsun) Bank Holiday. (Thankfully the same arguments tend to work
against St George's Day as a bank holiday- far too jingoistic).
Unfortunately it's the only one of those three I care about.

Anyway, Trafalgar Day would be in October- that's a shite idea, the
weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US
Independence Day? We've imported plenty of other ideas from them. Hmm.
Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that
a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry. (Isn't
there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?)

(Wondering if this shouldn't cross the (void)/london-lists osmosis barrier)

[0] Well, I, but I'm probably not alone here.

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Re: Slow disks under linux

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Mison

On 31/05/2001 at 17:41 +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:

You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors
around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one
monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor
to the right.)

You can't do that in Windows.  Ha.

Are you sure?

Anyway, you've been able to do multiple monitors in Mac OS since 6
point something tiny. With as many monitors as you can get cards for
(theoretically, I think there are ways of doing about 20.) And all with
an idiotproof pointy clicky interface. Ha ha.

And it copes when you make a laptop go from dual-head back to running
on the internal screen- all the windows just move back. (Under OS 9,
anyway.)

Aha ha ha!

Sorry. I'll drink some more Unix kool aid in a minute.

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Re: geek movie _Center of the World_ (was Re: Sara Cox - wasRe: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-29 Thread Paul Mison

On 29/05/2001 at 18:04 +0100, Yeoh Yiu wrote:
So have you seen _Center of the World_ yet ?

Nah, 'cos it's not out here yet. No release date is listed on IMDB.
Salon didn't like it, though:

http://www.salon.com/tech/review/2001/04/19/center_of_the_world/index.html

which I read as I Fear Not the Spoiler, and I was in NY at the time,
heinously disconnected from the Web and the ability to AvantGo sync,
and other nettish goodness. Of course, I could have gone to see it
then, but the dazzling skyscrapers and lure of beer tempted me.

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Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread Paul Mison

On 25/05/2001 at 15:08 +0100, will wrote:
 In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate
 at regular intervals.  The vaccines only offer protection for a short
 period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses
 that may infect the animals.

Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with
countries when you have vaccinated the animals.  Vaccinated animals can
still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to
get it.
Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling
infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated
againsed the
infection.

The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP
last year. Tourism makes billions.

The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat.

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Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread Paul Mison

On 25/05/2001 at 15:40 +0100, will wrote:

 The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP
 last year. Tourism makes billions.

 The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat.

So a program of vaccination and slaughter to erradicate the disease will
firstly benefit the tourist industry and then also the meat market.  Not
that I am a big fan of farmers or the countryside alliance types (and that
is being generous) but I think it would be the best solution all
round.  Ooo
ar.

No, because the sheer amount of fuss made over FM clobbered the
tourist industry- possibly for years, although this is admittely
anecdotal and predictive- whereas if we'd quietly vaccinated, accepted
no meat exports for a year, and then let the farming industry get back
on its feet, we'd not have had to kill *three million* animals, and
poison water, and close footpaths, and the tourist industry wouldn't
have suffered the way it has over the last couple of months. So, why
insist on the 'slaughter' bit?

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Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Mison

On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of
parliament  and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang
on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK
.. perhaps someting more subtle then ;)

For whom? Guy Fawkes and co came off badly, and the next 85 years were
hardly a bundle of laughs (rising discontent, civil war, puritan
dictatorship, baudy restoration, tension) but it ended in a Bill of
Rights that led to what's arguably the first constituitonal monarchy in
the modern world.

Um, sorry, had a minor burst of 17th century history. Won't happen again.

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Re: Long shot

2001-05-21 Thread Paul Mison

On 21/05/2001 at 14:15 +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

I use Outlook Express, I like it a lot. It works for me.

Much badness. We are withdrawing Outlook and associates from all our
Windows machines as soon as we have weaned the secretaries off it. It is
an administrative nightmare, and the source of more viri than any other
component on our systems (NT and Linux).

In a networked environment, it is the Devil incarnate.

Standalone, you might be ok. The interface may be nice, but the code has
more design flaws and vulnerabilities than a very buggy thing.

Isn't there a lot of difference between Outlook- big, bloaty, part of
Office, designed for Exchange- and Outlook Express- biggish, bloatish,
but doesn't talk so many non-standard protocols, and can even do IMAP
over SSH?

There definitely is a difference on the Mac, because you can't get
Outlook, only something quite like it called Entourage, and OE doesn't
talk to Exchange servers.

As to the security holes, well, if you're conenecting to decent SMTP
and IMAP/POP servers, rather than Exchange, and you don't go around
randomly doubleclicking stuff, and switch off the autoexecute options,
surely there's not that much difference between OE and Netscape? Hmm,
that seems like a bit of work, really.

Mind you, I'm still using Eudora 3 Light for the Mac, so I wouldn't
trust my opinion. Maybe part of the problem Eudora has on Windows is,
like Photoshop, it's sacrificed too much to the Windows interface
guidelines, whereas it just looks (and works) right on Mac OS, where
you can scatter windows about with much more abandon under an
all-embracing menu bar. (Sorry, getting all flowery.)

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(OT) constrained walk

2001-05-11 Thread Paul Mison

As was discussed (after Greg and the steak posse had left last night),
there may be a second constrained walk (following on from the epic
London Walk, somewhat documented on http://husk.org/lndn/walk/),
probably around the stations above the Circle Line, sometime in the
next two or three weeks.

I estimate it'd be between six and eight hours of walking, but as we've
now done one walk starting at sunrise, I thought it'd be fine to start
it a little later in the day; there's probably going to be debate about
where to start and which direction to walk in too. To save London.pm
from this distraction, I've (finally, cheers Evil) set up the long
threatened crisps mailing list for potential walkers; email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body subscribe crisps to join, if you're
interested in taking part in this or other walks.

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Re: (OT) constrained walk

2001-05-11 Thread Paul Mison

On 11/05/2001 at 15:55 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Paul Mison wrote:
 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

invalid MX record

My DNS service provider (waves at the happy people, they know who they
are) are endevouring to fix this at the moment. Try again on Monday
when I'll put a bit more effort into fixing this.

I see you managed to subscribe anyway; I ph34r y0ur l33t 5M7P sk1llz.

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Re: (OT) constrained walk

2001-05-11 Thread Paul Mison

On 11/05/2001 at 16:17 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Paul Mison wrote:
 there may be a second constrained walk

What's a constrained walk?

This is covered in London Walking by Simon Pope (which is where celia
read about it, which prompted me and Robin to organise it); his idea
was to walk from sunrise to sunset, east to west, along a single row of
the A-Z (the proper edition, with the expanded map of Central London in
the middle).

We [0] took his idea, moved the time of year (he did it in December, so
it was only about 9 hours; we did it in March, so it was more like 12),
turned it around so it was north to south, and managed to get a lot
more people involved. Amazingly, it seemed to be fun, so we're doing it
again.

This time, the constraint is the route; we'll be trying to walk around
the Circle line, either trying to follow it as closely as possible or
just walking between the stations. (We're deciding that on crisps, when
it works.)

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30

2001-05-03 Thread Paul Mison

On 03/05/2001 at 13:56 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote parenthetically:

some of London.pm were over in NYC - is anyone going to write a report?

Yes, eventually; I sent a message about this earlier but forgot to mung
the sender address so it'll need approving (Mr Stowe?) but the plan is
photos and some text at some point.

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RE: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this

2001-05-03 Thread Paul Mison

On 03/05/2001 at 09:14 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 On the subject of C.C., let me just say that last night's Angel had
 her in a bikini for an exploitative commercial she was in.

For those of you following on Sky One, remember that you're only ten days
behind the US right now - so that episode will be shown a week on Friday.

Yes, I finally found out that new Buffy and Angel are shown on Tuesday
nights in the US, the one day of the week we weren't there. (On that
subject, thanks to David Adler for the hospitality, and to Lucille for
all the organisation, and to NY for being big and not too scary, and to
the other London.pm-ers who made it over so I wasn't freaked out by
exploring something on my own.)

I'll try to sort out photos (although I didn't take any at NY.pm) and
some sort of documentary web page, for anyone who cares, at some point
in the next, sigh, four weeks? Unlike celia, who's got some up anyway
(and they're probably better too:
http://shadowgirl.net/photos/NYC-apr-2001/).

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Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month

2001-04-20 Thread Paul Mison

On 20/04/2001 at 16:47 +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:

 5/2/2001 Pizza Express   London, England

Which Pizza Express ?

As far as I know the only one that does live jazz is the one on Dean
Street.

Um, just to make this not a one-liner: davorg, are you going to post
the decision of the emergency meeting meeting?

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Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Mison

On 19/04/2001 at 13:04 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.

Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?

There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well
respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys
you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a
lot.

Of course, if anyone is doing this they'll be missing this thread too...

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RE: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Mison

On 18/04/2001 at 15:58 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I mean how the hell do you install CPAN packges on EPOC perl or
Mac Perl or any other platform that doesn't smell of Unix?

On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can
deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port, although it is
possible to do it if you know enough Mac-oriented C programming.

Apparently it's all changing with MacPerl 5.6.1 which is much closer to
Perl 5.6.1, as p5p people may be noticing.

OS X just uses CPAN like any other *nix, more or less.

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Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Mison

On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
 On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
 XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can

 deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port, although it is
 possible to do it if you know enough Mac-oriented C programming.

Whats MPW?

Macintosh Programmer's Workshop: in the full version, includes a shell
(yes, on a Mac OS before X!), C and C++ compiler, and various other
shellish things. It's free too. (Free as in beer, anyway.)

http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/

 OS X just uses CPAN like any other *nix, more or less.

Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then?

Yes, but they're not installed by default. (I can't remember if the
'BSD subsystem' is installed by default either though.) It comes on a
seperate CD within the OS X shrinkwrap box- you also get OS 9 and OS X
base install.

You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.

http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/

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Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread Paul Mison

On 03/04/2001 at 16:40 +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Dean wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out

 I'll come if we can have marshmallows ;)

Mmm.  I shall bring Mr Pointy.  All subject to FMD of course.

'Britain is open for business. That means you can visit cities, towns,
villages and thousands of places all over the country just as you have
always done, and more places are opening each day. A day out, or a
weekend break, or a longer holiday can still be enormous fun, and just
as relaxing as it ever was.'

http://www.openbritain.gov.uk/

Anyway, this fails on the 'crazy' test unless dawn til dusk walks are
included as part of a healthy regime.

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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison

On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:

Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 
3.0?

Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was
also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I
*think* IE3 also did Java, about May '96.

mutter bias="Oven"anyway, most client side interaction seems to be
done with Flash anyway/mutter

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Re: Social Meeting

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison

On 29/03/2001 at 14:14 +0100, Natalie Ford wrote:
At 11:27 29/03/01, Greg McCarroll wrote:
the one -ive point is that foods expensive there, if it had the
cheap food of PO it would be ideal - or even some decent pub
food (hot pies etc.)

I haven't been to the Anchor but cheeep foood goood!

Anchor food nice, but 30 quid and sitting upstairs is perhaps a once a
year thing. They didn't do any bar food at all last heretic's meeting.

Yeah, I'll go to almost anything organised by a mailing list. Even if
it involves getting up at 5.30 in the morning.

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Re: CPAN Logo

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison

On 29/03/2001 at 16:12 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
when did CPAN get a funky new logo ...

http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg

When all the #perl regulars got TiPBs [0] and got infected by the Make
Things Look Nice (Macintosh Sub Version) meme?

[0] TiPB =is= a Titanium Powerbook and writing it like that's a
lot better than calling them Tits (and we've done all the jokes
already ta)

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Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Mison

On 28/03/2001 at 13:23 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:09:37 +0100, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

[London phone codes]

 It was origially 01 ne c'est pas? Then it changed to 071 (Inner
 London) and 081 (Greater London) then it changed to 0171 and 0181 and
 then finally to 020 7xxx and 020 8xxx

And all of those changes have happened in the last 10
(12? I'm guessing here) years.

And each time we've been told that the changes will cope with the
demand for phone numbers for many years. Which has been a lie.

It would have done if Oftel had done things properly; instead they
somehow managed to create between 10 and 20 times more numbers and
still fuck things up.

The US approach (longer local numbers- everywhere is 7 digits now,
prepended by a three digit 'city' code) combined with the fact there
was room to expand the three digit codes (Microserfs buffs will note
that this is because they used to all be \d[01]\d, and now they're
\d\d\d) seems to have worked well, as new numbers in, say, outer New
York just have different area codes.

There must have been *some* way Oftel could have made something similar
work here.

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Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Paul Mison

On 20/03/2001 at 16:40 +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote:
 At 16:29 20/03/2001 +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
   a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and
 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in
favour of DD
 MM YY which is more sensible.
 Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion.

And sorts more nicely too. and is a dessert topping *and* a floor wax.

Or -MM-DD, for those who've forgotten the media panic 18 months ago.

ISO dates all the way, baby!

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Re: Overheard on IRC

2001-02-27 Thread Paul Mison

On 27/02/2001 at 10:46 +, Simon Wistow wrote:
ALL YOUR DCONWAY ARE BELONG TO US

My more idiomatic expression of Aaron's 'All your Damien Conway are
belong to us'. (Using the CPAN ID was natural; hmm, maybe in the next
weekly summary...)

yet another t-shirt idea methinks

as is Jonathon Stowe's ALL YOUR BASE CLASSES ARE BELONG TO US (although
I'd s/ES\b//; to make it sound more Engrish.)

Also, after seeing Fight Club again on Friday:

Front: You are not your email address
Back : You are not your irc nick

Alternative: You are not your login (doesn't work as well, I reckon;
maybe 'you are not your shell accounts'?).

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Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Paul Mison

On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:

IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
level domains with only two characters :(

But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the
police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy.
Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is
probably the shortest possible UK web server address.)

Full list, courtesy Robin and IRC: perform dig @ns1.nic.uk uk axfr on
your Unix box of choice.

Silly registrars. Silly rules.

Some registrars are sillier than others.

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Re: t-shirts

2001-02-21 Thread Paul Mison

On 21/02/2001 at 12:26 +, Michael Stevens wrote:

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

Yeah, this would have been OK if you'd printed them on Friday morning,
and they were disposable. This sort of meme just does the rounds too
rapidly. I mean, how much would you laugh at someone wearing a 'I am
Mahir, Kiss Me Now' or whatever it was tshirt now?

(For the uninitiated, AYBABTU:
 http://linux.nextdimensioninc.com/AYB2.swf
 http://www.toaplan.com/zerowing/
 http://www.classicgaming.com/vault/roms/arcaderoms.ZeroWing34735.shtml
 http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~diehlr/base.jpg
 http://members.nbci.com/finagler/base/
)

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Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-12 Thread Paul Mison

On 12/02/2001 at 18:55 +, David H. Adler wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:44:04PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 talking of organisational skills, dave (ad) how would you fancy
 being a london.pm organiser for the london.pm trip to ny.pm?

 we seem to have problems getting anyone to take this to
 completion

Well, what dates do you want to look at?  That's probably the best
starting point.  After that, we can start talking about options.

Ok, this is me semi-formally being stupid and taking this on. Although
if Simon wants to stand by

If not I'll have  a crack at doing it. Or doing it jointly. Or whatever.
[who has a vested interest in getting this done fast]

I'll welcome the help.

My ideal for dates would be either side of Easter, but fairly obviously
not Easter itself. Leon suggested in the pub [0] 5 days is the optimum
length, and I gather that would be over a Saturday for airfare reasons,
so how about (rummage, cal) Wed 25 April - Mon 30 April? Either that,
or the same days a week later.

We could go for Wed 28 March to Mon 2 April instead; comments?

Greg, if you send me the list of names and addresses I'd be chuffed.
(Anyone who didn't email Greg, let me know).

Given that sort of info, how much is this likely to cost? Dave? Dave?
Dave? Bueller?

[0] Where else? (Oh yeah, drugs are bad, m'kay?)

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Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-12 Thread Paul Mison

On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying
 in motion...

 About how many people are we talking about?  Any idea?

i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think )

Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their
minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc).

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Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-12 Thread Paul Mison

On 12/02/2001 at 19:59 +, David H. Adler wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:37:14PM +, Paul Mison wrote:
 On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the
querying
  in motion...
 
  About how many people are we talking about?  Any idea?
 
 i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think )

 Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their
 minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc).

FWIW, 10 is commonly the minimum for a "group".  A group rate isn't the
only way to go, but it's one option...

Hmm. I assume group is cheaper, though. Well, of the list, I'd be
surprised if that many dropped out, and I had stupidly forgotten Grep's
interest, so that takes us up to 12. Which may be enough to guarantee a
group. Aah, tricksy.

How much work is it to look at both options?

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Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Paul Mison

On 01/02/2001 at 13:44 +, Struan Donald wrote:
* at 01/02 08:35 -0500 Dave Cross said:
 Data Munging with Perl
 by David Cross

 Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760

 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867!

a day in the life of a famous perl author:

goto: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930110006/

while (1){
   look at sales rank

Didn't the case of 'A Fist In the Bush' prove that Amazon's "Sales"
rankings are actually down to how many people look at things?

hoping *this* email has the right From: headers;

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Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Paul Mison

On 01/02/2001 at 10:03 +, Robert Shiels wrote:

Just had a look at the PC Bookshops website (www.pcbooks.co.uk).
Didn't they
used to have a way of finding out whether the book was actually on the
shelf
or not - I may drop in there today on my way south of the river (Oh, the
shame) and wanted to plan my potential purchase.

I was in there yesterday (working in Central London)++ and there was
one copy in the Holborn shop. They didn't seem to have Programming
Internet Email or DMP though.

(When does Foyles close in the evenings anyway? I was pleasantly
surprised when I went in there last week. Lots of tube books too.)

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Re: OT : DVD

2001-01-19 Thread Paul Mison

On 15/01/2001 at 21:12 +, mallum wrote:
 ^

Your clock's wrong...


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Re: blibble

2001-01-12 Thread Paul Mison

On 05/01/2001 at 07:54 +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

 You know you're drunk when, faced with the problem of getting through
 an underground ticket gate, you get out your house keys and start
fiddling
 with them looking for the right one.

Look you can operate a computer and type coherently, it can't be all that
bad :)

And fuck me I'm at work 

Me too. Doing the happy unsub/resub thing (and, cough, posting test
messages to mailing lists as a result. Hmm. Need some content now...)

Oh yes, just to remind the other members of the t-shirt subcommitee
that the colours have been decided on and the relevant people need the
relevant bits and pieces, notably Dave, but then he's about to collect
the machine with the image files on anyway (and I can let you know the
locations in a private mail.)

Yeah, that's content. It'll do.

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RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-05 Thread Paul Mison

On 05/01/2001 at 09:34 +, Matthew Jones wrote:

Why would anyopne need more than kung fu to enjoy a fillum?

I dunno. Plot? shrug/

"Crouching Tiger - Hidden Dragon" is best film of 2000 for my money.
Breasts
are an optional bonus. Am I going to get slapped down for saying that?

Hey, it's that fun American release/UK release argument again (since
CTHD isn't out here until... well, actually it's today. The Guardian
like it too, fwiw.

No-one mentioned Titus (they dropped the Andronicus bit for some reason
for the film version). I liked it. I thought they'd added the grim bits
and was a bit shocked to find that they were all Will's fault. Wins the
Romeo And Juliet Production Design award too.

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