Re: Online Bookshops

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Shiels

I like this lot.

http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk/computing/publishers/oreilly.jhtml

-- 
Robert

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 June 2001 12:23
Subject: Re: Online Bookshops


 Richard Clyne wrote:
 
  If I'm trying to avoid Amazon for some technical books, what sites are
  currently suggested?
  Richard
 
 I always like the PC Bookshop
 
 http://www.pcbooks.co.uk
 
 It's also a real live bookshop, with a great selection of titles.
 (And I ALWAYS am suckered into buying more OReilly titles
 every time I go in. This time I bought a new edition of High Performance
 Computing, already having edition 1)
 
 




Re: Online Bookshops

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Shiels

I think we need a FAQ, I'm sure this has come up a few times.
-- 
Robert


- Original Message - 
From: Richard Clyne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 June 2001 11:33
Subject: Online Bookshops


 If I'm trying to avoid Amazon for some technical books, what sites are
 currently suggested?
 Richard
 
 




Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-11 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Not to mention the way it discriminates totally against people who can't
 afford, don't have, morally object to, are too old to learn to use,
 computers.

How come. It's an alternative to, not a replacement for, the usual paper
based forms; isn't it?

/Robert




Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-09 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: www.gateway.gov.uk


 As a public service I would exhort all of you to go to this site and then
 complain when it tells you that you are using an 'Unsupported Browser'
 (which I guess will be more than half of you :)

I agree that this is pants. I don't see why I need cookies, javascript and
Java enabled. But I don't fully understand digital certificates.

Assume for a moment that I'm using lynx on Linux, and I want to send the
government my tax return securely. What are the security implications, can
it actually be done. I don't want to go off half-cocked and complain about
something when I don't fully understand why the alternative is better.

Could someone explain it to me, and give me an address to send my complaint
to, and I'll definitely do it.

/Robert





Re: Sony Clie (was Re: Social meet)

2001-06-08 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I would strongly suggest you check out the Palm M500/505 as they come in
the
 lovely Palm V form factor but have an expansion slot (taking both Secure
 Digital and Multimedia cards)
 http://www.palm.com/products/accessories/expansioncards/

Thanks Neil, as the M505 isn't available yet, I actually went for the M500.
It's pretty good, and I've just gotten IR syncing working to my Vaio so I
don't need to carry the cradle around with me.

I've used a quarter of a full charge today already though, which isn't very
impressive, my Palm III used to last ages on a couple of AAs, and I wouldn't
have dreamt of needing new batteries on a 2 week holiday.

/Robert




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 whether there were any Masai tribespeople on the list. Anyone? Anyone?
 
 reminds me of that Reggie Perrin snippet ..
 'Is there anyone here from Tarporley ...'
 
 I dunno .. maybe I'm getting old.

pass the earwig would you please...

/Robert





Re: Social meet

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

 i'm 07957 386 815

 i'm also going to be free this afternoon after about 2 ish (ill
 switch the phone on then) so if anyone wants to meet up before
 the meeting give me a bell

Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA.
Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop,
or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

/Robert






Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 June 2001 10:44
Subject: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)


 On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
  Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new
PDA.
  Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
shop,
  or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

 Has anybody got the USB syncing thing to work under Linux/BSD?  I tried
 coldsync, but unfortunately, the USB protocol that sony use appears to
 be completely different to the visor one that it supports.  :-(

I did some reading on this, and you are of course right. The Sony machine
has a serial interface, with some kind of USB conversion. Therefore you only
get serial speed from the sync, but you don't have to mess about with serial
ports and IRQs and stuff. I suppose I should get a PalmV, but I like Sony
stuff so much, and it does have the memory stick expansion slot.

/Robert




Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:

 Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new
PDA.
 Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
 shop,
 or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

 When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc
 vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark
 Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the
 street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there.

PCWorld were doing it for 249gbp, so I suppose 240gbp will save me a bit.
Thanks everyone, it's nice to know in advance the kind of price to expect.
I'm crap at haggling too.

scan.co.uk btw will charge me £252.63, (includes 10pp). Not very good if
they can't undercut PCWorld.

/Robert




Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Sony: Lovely kit, crap support.
 

Has anyone seen http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/

/me drools.

/Robert




Re: General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Robert Shiels


 If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply,
 write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and
 others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in
 classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by
 the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl
 and URLs should be submitted on the day.

I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an
easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user
intervention?

/Robert




Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Paul Mison typed:

 (Isn't
 there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?)

 http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm

Well, as today is my first day working as a contractor, I want less
holidays, so that I can make more money. Thinking about it again, I'll just
make sure that the system needs some essential maintenance those days, and
increase my rate appropriately!

/Robert




Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Shiels



 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:16:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  Good Beer?
  Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
  Food that can be ate in bar?
  Lots of seating?
  Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
  Central to ``business'' London?

 Can we add accessibility to the list?  The main reason I  haven't been
 to many social meets recently is that i would have to climb stairs to
 get to you all and then climb down loads of stairs to get to the loo
 (e.g. Barrowboy and Banker).  At least the PO I climb down to get to
 you all and the loos are on the same level (good)...

I like PO a lot. Not being a CAMRA member, I'm quite happy to sup Stella or
TVRs or Theakstons, and the food is cheap. My financial advisor works in the
office next door to the PO and I've just coincidentally booked an
appointment with him for 4pm next Thursday :-)

/Robert




Re: Y::E accomodation

2001-05-30 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 May 2001 13:13
Subject: Re: Y::E accomodation


 * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:53:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   we were just talking on IRC and the subject of accomodation for
YAPC::Europe
   came up again,
 
  For those of us without the time for both the List and the IRC channel
is
  there any chance of a summery about what the group plans are? Or is it a
free
  for all?
 

 there are no plans, and i'd rather not do this for several good reasons.

I'm not booking anything unless I have a ticket for the conference.
I don't have a ticket because they aren't selling them yet.
I am very close to not going at all now, as I have to plan a lot of other
things for August. This is a shame as I really enjoyed it last year.

/Robert




Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Robert Shiels

Typical quotes from Simon this week:

Oh, and fix your bloody line length.

Roger, where we come from we have a word for people like that.

Ripping that fucker out would be my first act. :)

 If you didn't want your code to be used under the license terms you
 set, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE SET THEM. Deal with it.

...bad language and shouting isn't big, and it isn't clever.

/Robert

- Original Message - 
From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 May 2001 22:00
Subject: Re: Election Manifestos


 On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:50:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
  @Mail (http://webbasedemail.com/) copied my code, my docs, and my
  images without telling me, added a configuration file, and sold it. I
  only found out about it by accident, which wasn't good. (it's changed
  a lot since).
 
 This is 100% within their rights.
 
  They could have handled it better. They could have told me about it,
 
 Yes, but they didn't have to.
 
  So either I break up and cry at how lax the Artistic License is and
  inflict viral GPL on all my code, or I just keep on going hacking
  code. Which do I do? ;-)
 
 If you didn't want your code to be used under the license terms you
 set, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE SET THEM. Deal with it.
 




Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

2001-05-21 Thread robert shiels

- Original Message -
From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women


 At 20:50 20/05/2001, Mike Jarvis wrote:
 Sunday, May 20, 2001, 3:19:47 AM, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 DC And besides, since when could you work out how sexy a woman (or man)
was
 DC simply by looking at a photo.
 
 This is really two questions:
 1) Can you tell from looking at a photo if this is someone you'd like
 to have a relationship with?  (No)
 
 2) Can you tell from looking at a photo if this is someone you'd like
 to have sex with?(Yes)

 OK. Well that's where I'm getting confused then. By believing the sex is
 also a relationship (however fleeting!) I think that the answer to 2 is
 also 'No' :)

Appropriately enough, I just got sent this:

According to a recent survey, men say the first thing they notice about
a women are their eyes.  And women say the first thing they notice about
men are: they're a bunch of liars.

/Robert





Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Robert Shiels

I bought 3 CDs yesterday, about 32 quids worth . I downloaded 2 Napster
tracks last week.

I object to paying 3.99 gbp (for a single), or 12.99gbp  (for an album
track) to just get one song. However, if I hear another track from those
artists, and like it, I will probably get the full album.

I also use Napster (when I'm working somewhere with a big pipe) to get
digital copies of music that I've already paid for analogue copies of.

--
Robert


- Original Message -
From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 May 2001 17:05
Subject: Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?


 At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:

 You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is
 stealing copies of your book on line.

 True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I have only ever used
 Napster to find copies of unavailable music.

 Dave...


 --
 http://www.dave.org.uk  SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 plugAdvertise your book here. Ask me how!/plug






Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:
 
 Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC
components,
 i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

 I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before
 ordering.

I ordered something from dabs recently, it was in stock before the order,
and mysteriously not in stock afterwards. I cancelled the order. I'd
probably check online, and phone them just to make sure they really have it.

/Robert




Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)

2001-05-16 Thread Robert Shiels

[snip]
 Leon
 -- 
 Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
 Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/
 
 ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody
 
...is that dollars or pounds...

/Robert




Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 well .. I believe you have extended the analogy just a little bit too far
 :) . .the main reason _I_  decline to answer 'withheld number' calls is
 because almost every single one is a halfwit trying to sell me
 insurance/glazing/burglar alarms/toilet roll (yes.. really) even though

Yes - they generally call me between 6pm and 8pm. If we leave the phone to
the answering machine around this time, and the caller doesn't leave a
message, then 1471 always tells me that The caller withheld their number.

We keep winning free holidays/windows/kitchens etc

I say No - I do not want a free $gift

and the people at the call center get quite indignant that I do want it, and
that I musn't understand the offer.

I have worked as a telemarketer, so feel a bit sorry for them as it's a shit
job, so I just say No thanks and hang up.

/Robert




T-Shirts

2001-05-15 Thread Robert Shiels

I was just wondering, have the secret T-shirt designs been sent off to the
printers yet ? The reason I ask is that I'd really like one of them to be
Hitch-Hiker related; or maybe we could have a special run of ZZ9 Plural Z
Alpha.PM shirts done.

--
Robert





Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 At 17:38 13/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch
  socialism was
   rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and
benefits
   intimitadly because they could see it would not work for modern
Britain?
 
 Which intelligent people who understood it would that be, then?

 Take a look around you. This list, being representative of the Perl
 community, tends towards the intelligent end of the spectrum. And from
what
 I've gathered from the conversations I've had with people here, the vast
 majority of us tend towards the left[1].

 Dave...
 [1] Cue indignant emails from the half-dozen of so right-wingers I know on
 the list :)

I've always been pretty right wing, and as I get older I'm getting worse :-)
My prediction is that Labour will win again (a no-brainer I know), and that
the Conservatives will elect a new leader. Over the next 4 years, Labour
will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the country will swing
back to the party of low taxes, who will be re-elected in 2006. I've been on
an NHS waiting list since before Christmas actually, Labour isn't working
for me.

Thinking about it though, most of LondonPM seem left-wing to me too, but
I've put that down to the fact that most are quite young. I am reminded of:

If a man is not a socialist by the time he is twenty, he has no heart.
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
-Winston Churchill

discuss :-)

/Robert




Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels

From: James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:23:50AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
  
  If a man is not a socialist by the time he is twenty, he has no heart.
  If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
  -Winston Churchill
  
  discuss:-)
  
 
 How does that explain Garry Bushell and Jim Davidson ;)
 
point taken :-)

/Robert




Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have deeply unfashionable political views, though. I think tax and spend
 is a *good idea*.

I'm neither completely left, or completely right. I would be happy to pay
more income tax to improve health and education. I actually voted LibDem
last time as that is what they were pledging. I think eye tests and
essential dental work should be on the NHS. I think every school should have
a full-time IT expert instead of getting an already overworked teacher to do
it in their non-existent spare time. On the other hand, I have very
unfashionable views on some other subjects which I'll keep quiet about...

/Robert




Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 3. Teachers are responsible for children taking their medicine. If a child
 has a critical allergy to (bee stings, etc, etc) the teachers are
 responsible for administering intra-venous beta blockers etc. They don't
 get paid more for being nurses too.

I'm not trying to negate your point, which I agree with, but I'm not sure if
this one is true. Teachers at my daughters school have refused to give
medicine to her, and to other children, some of whom are on constant
medication; their mother comes into the school to administer it.

You seem to know a lot about teachers though...

/Robert




Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 May 2001 12:12
Subject: Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)


 Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I'm neither completely left, or completely right. I would be happy to
pay
  more income tax to improve health and education. I actually voted LibDem

 Why don't you simply pay more tax then?

 I am sure if you send a voluntary donation off to the Inland Revenue
 they will accept it.

I somehow doubt they have procedures for dealing with voluntary tax
payments, it's probably never happened...

/Robert




Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 * Martin Ling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:30:42PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
   That's genius! I know, I'll call it.. Charismatic Leadership Theory.
   Wait. Someone already did, rather a long time ago now.. :)
  Don't start me on all the stating-the-obviousness in psychology.

 I have some obvious theories about psychology - such as why psychologists
 never get invited to parties.
 

ob Douglas Adams
The principle of generating small amounts of finite improbability
by  simply  hooking  the  logic circuits of a Bambleweeny 57 Sub-
Meson Brain to an atomic vector plotter  suspended  in  a  strong
Brownian  Motion  producer  (say  a  nice hot cup of tea) were of
course well understood - and such generators were often  used  to
break  the  ice  at  parties  by  making all the molecules in the
hostess's undergarments leap simultaneously one foot to the left,
in accordance with the Theory of Indeterminacy.

Many respectable physicists said that they weren't going to stand
for  this  -  partly  because it was a debasement of science, but
mostly because they didn't get invited to those sort of parties.
/ob DA

/Robert




Re:

2001-05-10 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 would people mind if i turned up totally pissed from minute 0 to
 tonights meeting? 

How will we be able to tell

/Robert




Re: Buffy musings ...

2001-05-09 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 And while we are on the old films chestnut, my current recommendation
 is 'O Brother, where art thou?', excellent film. However I here Momento
 is a very good film as well.

I've just ordered this actually from
http://www.movietrak.com/home/index.html.

DVD rentals, delivered by post, keep it for 7 days and return in package
provided. 3.50gbp total cost.

/Robert





Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-05-02 Thread Robert Shiels

Just had a look, and apparently the Formmail scripts have been ported to
Win32 and use something called Blat instead of sendmail. Is there any reason
why we couldn't use Blat too? I'm looking into it to see if I can get it
working.

--
Robert


- Original Message -
From: Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2001 10:06
Subject: RE: Not Matt's Scripts


 On Wed, 2 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
  Yep. But Net::SMTP is not a stadard module and therefore sendmail wins.

 That wasn't the reason. The reason was the same as one of the reasons for
 rewriting matt's scripts in the first place - that the error handling
 sucks. You can't sensibly error handle with Net::SMTP. This is why there
 was discussion, however, on widnoze, (not sure about vanilla mac (rather
 than os x)) there is no sensible way to do a queued message.

 MBM

 --
 Matthew Byng-Maddick  [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20  8980 5714  (Home)
 http://colondot.net/ +44 7956 613942  (Mobile)
 I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it. -- Mae West






Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-05-02 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2001 11:02
Subject: Re: Not Matt's Scripts


 On Wed, 02 May 2001, you wrote:
  Just had a look, and apparently the Formmail scripts have been ported to
  Win32 and use something called Blat instead of sendmail. Is there any
reason
  why we couldn't use Blat too? I'm looking into it to see if I can get it
  working.
 ahh yes ...
 trouble is .. there must be half a dozen 'popular' mailers for win32
 ...blat is just one of many (or so I'm told) the only thing I remember is
 blat is a file based thing, you have to put your mail in a file on the
 disc and then tell blat to send it, at least thats the way formmial was
 using it.
 I did look at the said script many moons ago
 instead of
 if($win32){ send_win32($mail) }
 else { send_unix($mail) }
 it has
 sub send{
 do this ...
 err .. but not this bit if its unix.
 oh and this bit
 but add this bit for win32
 and take this bit off agin
 and this bit goes in for unix
 and then do this if its win32


Yes - it's a bit crap. And I'm having trouble with it (read: can't get it
working).

I think we should be able to put all the Win32 specific bits in one place,
and have separate places for each external mailer program such as blat; but
blat is as good a place to start as any I suppose.

/Robert

PS - has anyone done this one already on Win32, or shall I keep going.




Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-05-02 Thread Robert Shiels


 Yes - it's a bit crap. And I'm having trouble with it (read: can't get it
 working).

 I think we should be able to put all the Win32 specific bits in one place,
 and have separate places for each external mailer program such as blat;
but
 blat is as good a place to start as any I suppose.


Well, finally got the formmail.pl script to work on win32 with blat. Tracked
my major difficulty down to a problem created by the person who ported it to
windows, $CONFIG has been used instead of the correct case which is $Config.
Can't imagine it's ever worked.

I'll have a look at Dave's later.

/Robert, needing to pretend to do some real work now!




Re: Company Name

2001-04-30 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  How did contractors here come up with the names for their companies, and
can
  you think of anything with Shiels in the name that sounds good. I will
  mainly be doing SAP work, but hope to get other IT work too, so don't
want
  SAP in the name.
 I've always tried to avoid names which conjour up in the minds of
customers
 (or more importantly, the revenue) a small company.  So, Redvers Davies
Ltd
 or Name Based names were always out the window for me.

Thanks for this, and other advice. One good thing about advice, is that you
don't have to take it :-)

So Shiels Consulting Ltd is now active and ready for business!

I will be leaving my current employer very soon, maybe even today if we can
get the paperwork sorted out. Wish me luck...

/Robert




Re: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this

2001-04-27 Thread Robert Shiels

Have a look at her right big toe in this, has someone doctored the photo?

http://britneyspears.ac/bs/024b.jpg

-- 
Robert



- Original Message - 
From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 April 2001 21:19
Subject: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this


 amusing:
 
 http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm
 
 -- 
 Robin Szemeti
 
 The box said requires windows 95 or better
 So I installed Linux!
 
 




Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robert Shiels

Where do you live?

DJ Adams recommended Menzies (www.menzies.co.uk) to me, and I went to see
them last night for the first time. They are going to set up my new company
for me too. They like IT contractors, and the partner I met with talked to
me for about 30 minutes on ways to avoid IR35 :-)

Very professional, I like them so far. Based in Kingston and have other
offices around Surrey.

On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account?

--
Robert


- Original Message -
From: Gareth Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 April 2001 09:09
Subject: Good Accountants


 Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I
 was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who
 was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited
to
 much larger companies.

 Thanks
 Gareth Harper







Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  recommended Menzies (www.menzies.co.uk) to me, and I went to see

  On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account?

 Flemings Premier Banking
 01708 713317
 basically free for contractors (up to 20 cheques a month) and pay
 interest. I got several hundred quid in intrest last year. Telephone
 service and all that stuff.
 most impressed .. and I do have other business acounts to comapre it to.
 I would heartily recommend them. They are widely used by contractors.

Interesting. Flemings was actually recommended to me by Menzies last night.
So my accountant is clueful on this too, which is encouraging. Thanks.

/Robert




Company Name

2001-04-25 Thread Robert Shiels

I've decided to set up my own company and become a contractor. There are
quite a lot of decisions to be made, but the hardest one I'm finding is
thinking of a company name! So far my only ideas are simply Shiels or
Shiels Consulting; this is fairly obvious, and I already own the
shiels.com domain. I guess I could try Shiels Enterprises or Shiels Inc,
but they seem pretty naff.

How did contractors here come up with the names for their companies, and can
you think of anything with Shiels in the name that sounds good. I will
mainly be doing SAP work, but hope to get other IT work too, so don't want
SAP in the name.

TIA
--
Robert





Re: Company Name

2001-04-25 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 April 2001 13:15
Subject: Re: Company Name


 On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:02:16AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
  How did contractors here come up with the names for their companies

 Your main choice is between sounding established, professional or
 informal.

 Established companies contain merely names, and give no indication of
what
 they do: Shiels and Company.
 (Examples from real life: Ede and Ravenscroft, Coutts.)

 Professional companies possibly contain a name and give *some*
indication of
 what they do: Robert Shiels Consulting, Shiels IT Services.
 (Examples: Merchant Ivory Productions, Barclay's Bank.)

 Informal companies contain one or two words which *hint* at what they
do,
 and no names (and are much harder to come up with. :) : The SAP Workshop
 (Examples: Microsoft, NetThink.)

Nice summary. I was going to go for Shiels, but there is some plastics
company in Lancs that have it already. I thought of Shiels IT Services,
but one potential acronym of this is not very pleasing :-)


/Robert




Re: Server Upgrade

2001-04-20 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Philip Newton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Er, do you mean "will not be able to use the PC133s" or "will not be able
to
 use the PC100s and we'll need to get even slower RAM"?

 And AFAIK, if it takes SDRAM at all, you can put in whatever you want; the
 speed is determined by min(mobo bus speed, memory spec speed). I've got
 PC133 memory in my Celeron board (66 MHz bus) and it works fine; the
memory
 doesn't seem to care that it's accessed more slowly than it's capable of.
 (And another bank has, I think, PC100 memory in it -- the mix-n-match
 doesn't seem to be deleterious, either.)

Well, that sounds encouraging. Lets stick with the current order then - I
didn't know you could mix-n-match the two types of RAM on the same board,
I'm still thrilled that with DIMMs you don't need to add them in matching
pairs :-)

Even if there is a problem, I'll volunteer to buy the PC133 chips for my
server at home.

/Robert




Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dominic Mitchell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:49:09PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
  And there was me thinking that Chris was going to say that he doesn't
have
  a TV either. But he didn't. I don't have a TV. But I'm currently camped
out
  in my parents house, and they have 2. But I learn that they will both be
  obsolete in 5 years when we all the analogue TV transmitters are turned
off.
  Is that relevant? :-)
 Dunno, but I sure hope the digital packages get a bit better than the
 current offerings otherwise I'll just switch off the telly and not turn
 it on again...
 -Dom (resents paying once for the license fee and again for the
subscription)

Hmm. I too am pissed off about this digital stuff, as the quality is worse
than analogue TV. My measure of quality is uninterrupted viewing. I have yet
to watch any digital TV where at some point the picture didn't pixelate or
completely blank for a few seconds. I have an excellent Sony 100Hz TV, and
cannot fault the picture. Why are we being forced down this digital route?
Money I expect.

But if you get a digital TV/receiver, surely BBC is available for free
without any subscriptions. If this is not the case then I think it's
criminal.

/Robert
[thinking maybe he should have taken this to (void)]




Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Byng-Maddick" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Personally I don't mind funding the beeb, as long as the quality of
 content they produce is high. I do object to funding random corporations
 whose interests are to their shareholders...

Sorry, I don't mind funding the BBC either, I think I get very good value
for money at the moment, it's worth it for Radio4 alone. What I object to is
paying twice, which is what would be happening if I paid a monthly
subscription to see the digital BBC channels that nobody actually wants[1].
I am annoyed that I am now paying for this digital stuff indirectly, and I
can't watch it. I'm going to go to the BBC website and gripe some more about
this :-)

/Robert

[1]troll




Re: What time tonight ?

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Shiels

I'm leaving now, chances are I'll be there 7.30-8 ish

see ya!
-- 
Robert


- Original Message - 
From: dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2001 17:37
Subject: RE: What time tonight ?


 From: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:38 PM
 
  What time is the technical meeting starting tonight ?
 
 oh. um. well. let's say 7:00pm. how does that sound?
 
 -- 
 
 
 The information contained in this communication is
 confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient
 named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader 
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 hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
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Re: stocks

2001-04-11 Thread Robert Shiels

I use stocktrade.co.uk who are OK, it must have been easy to set up, as I
managed it.

I've known other people to use etrade.

Do you want to trade on foreign markets? If you do then you should check
that this is possible with whoever you go with.

Got any good tips :)
--
Robert


- Original Message -
From: "Greg McCarroll" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "London.pm" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 April 2001 17:42
Subject: stocks




 Does anyone use any online brokers that they would recommend? I need
 a broker service which is quick and hassle free to set up.


 --
 Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net






Re: Disclaimer

2001-04-10 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 April 2001 10:40
Subject: Re: Disclaimer


 On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:58:41AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

  Anything I release always has the following copyright and I think that a
  number of module and script authors use a very similar form of words out
of
  respect for Larry.
 
  Dave...
 
  Copyright (C) 2000, Magnum Solutions Ltd.  All Rights Reserved.
 
  This script is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
  modify it under the same terms as Perl itself.

 It's also worth nothing that both the Artistic and GP licences include a
 disclaimer, so you're sorted for that too.

1. I want anything I write to be free for others to use and generally bugger
about with.
2. I don't want anyone to be allowed to sell my code, or to sell anything
closely derived from it.
3. I don't want to be sued by someone who hosed their machine while running
my software.

Will any of the artistic/GPL/BSD licences work here? Will yours Dave (Cross)
work, as I like that the best as it is so short :-)

/Robert




Re: Perl on HPUX

2001-04-10 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dean" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hi All
 Question for the list, i'm currently writing some scripts for a HP box
 running HPUX 11 and i keep hitting the same error when ever i try and use

Last time I used the default perl on HP-UX, it turned out to be perl 4. You
may need a more recent distribution.

/Robert




Re: Disclaimer

2001-04-10 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "dcross - David Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright
 message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your
 point 2.

I think therefore GPL will be good. People can sell my code, but as I will
be giving it away free, they will probably not get many customers :-)

Thanks.

/Robert





Re: Installing Perl/Tk on Win32

2001-04-10 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Andrew Bowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  From: Dean [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  If you don't really need to compile it yourself how's about:
  ppm install Tk?

 Good idea - I can see PPM being useful if I have to persist with Win32
 stuff!

Also, if you have any firewall problems, or a fast link at work and a slow
dialup at home, go to:

http://www.activestate.com/PPMPackages/zips/6xx-builds-only/

where you can get the ppm files yourself and install them locally instead of
installing over the net.

hth

/robert




Re: when are we going to see the caaaamels

2001-04-03 Thread Robert Shiels

Yes please, before our tickets run out

/Robert

From: "jo walsh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 can we go now that it is spring? some sunday afternoon soon?
 davorg? can we davorg?
 
 z





Perl MySQL TT DBI/DBD

2001-04-02 Thread Robert Shiels

I want to write a web-based app using the tools mentioned in the subject. I
want specifically to keep the db calls and presentation separate, something
I've not paid much attention to in the past.

Does anyone have, or know of, a good example of this; something small that I
can get working, and that has followed all the perl coding standards that we
have talked about in the past, so that I can start my app on a really good
footing.

Oh, and it must work on Win32 and Linux, without changing ANY code.

TIA
--
Robert
--

PS - it will be yet another application that helps organise digital
photographs, and will of course be available for anyone who wants it when
I've got it working.




Re: Perl MySQL TT DBI/DBD

2001-04-02 Thread Robert Shiels



 And what part of the Template Toolkit doesn't fulfil your
 requirements?

 ;-)


g

but, a major part of the requirements is actually building my skills all
these things. I may end up not using what I've written (though I doubt
that), but when I've finished I'd like to be able to knock up new things
reusing blocks of code I've already 'written' and understand.

/Robert




Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-29 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 March 2001 22:12
Subject: Re: Social Meeting (fwd)


 At 18:52 28/03/2001, you wrote:
 Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and
 they say they're booked out next Thursday.

 OK. Looks like it's back to the PO next Thursday then people.

 Dave...

Yea. I have few routines in my life, but this is one I enjoy. And the
food's affordable there too.

/Robert




Re: Social Meeting

2001-03-29 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 March 2001 09:13
Subject: Social Meeting



 OK. Bowing to pressure from the heretics - we'll go to the Anchor next
 Thursday. Never let it be said that I don't listen to the little
 people :)

So I go home at 7pm, and when I get to work at 9am the question has been
asked and the decision has been made.

/Robert, sulking

PS - Since when have messers McCarroll  Cantrell been little people :)




Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "James Powell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 March 2001 09:41
Subject: Re: mmm ... toys ..


 Alternatively if anyone has one of the titanium macs going spare?

I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 32Mb
RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb upgrade
and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that all my OS9
applications will still work (my wife uses Clarisworks for WP, and the kids
play their games), does anyone know if this is the case.

And also, will I be able to install perl,apache,mysql and other *nix
goodness on it too - I've never gotten to grips with macperl really.

/Robert




Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I don't want to sound like a twat, but it may be too late already so here
 goes, one of the things i hate about going out to a italian restaurant
 is the wine.

 Nonsense. You just order the most expensive Barolo on the wine list.
homer
mmm Barolo
/homer

 Dave...
 [Who doesn't understand this fascination with white wine - nasty stuff]
I'm with you there...

/Robert




Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Robin Houston" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 March 2001 14:59


 On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 02:08:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
  2) How do I get strftime to produce th/st/nd for the date?  I can't see
it
  on man strftime, but I might just be going blind.

 use POSIX 'strftime';
 my @th=(qw(th st nd rd),("th")x16)x2; $th[31]="st";

 my @time=localtime;
 print strftime("%e$th[$time[3]] %b %Y\n", @time);


%e seems to be Linux specific. %d works on both Linux and Windows.

/Robert, possibly making his first perl contribution to the list!




Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Chris Devers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 At 10:15 AM 27.3.2001 +0100, Robert Sheils wrote:
 I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with
 32Mb RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb
 upgrade and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that
 all my OS9 applications will still work (my wife uses Clarisworks for WP,
 and the kids play their games), does anyone know if this is the case.

 I've got about the same setup, but with 64 mb. It's really slow for me,
though not as bad as the public beta was. Running it with 128 or more would
definitely be adviseable.

Thanks for everyone's advice on this, as an inveterate bit-fiddler, I will
probably go for the whole package just so I can play with everything. My
family can just boot it into OS9 for their stuff.

One more thing, is my 4Gb drive enough...

/Robert




Re: upgrade fund

2001-03-26 Thread Robert Shiels


i'd like to do it via dabs.com, because their interface is useable and
i've not personally had any problems with them.  i'll pick only in-stock
stuff because i understand that they can be slacker than they advertise
when it comes to re-stocking.  jo would hopefully oversee the process so i
don't end up ordering bananas by mistake.


I ordered a HD from dabs.com last Thursday, the interface said they had 76
in stock. After registering, paying and completing the order, suddenly all
the stock had vanished. It's now Monday and they are still awaiting stock.
This could be an isolated case I suppose...but I've bought one from a
computer fair now and have cancelled the order.

Yes - RAM is sooo cheap at the moment - get loads!

/Robert




Re: script archive naming

2001-03-23 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Robin Houston" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 March 2001 17:51
Subject: script archive naming

 
 Your search - "london script archive" - did not match any documents.
 
  .robin.
 

so how about londonscripts.com/org then

/Robert




Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Simon Cozens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 March 2001 10:33
Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses


 On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
  You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.

 The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with
 judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978

Still my debugger of choice for most languages, my code is littered with
commented debug print statements.

/Robert




Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 March 2001 12:03
Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses


 On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:

   The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled
with
   judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978
  
  Still my debugger of choice for most languages, my code is littered with
  commented debug print statements.

 well .. yes .. and no ;)) ...

 around 70% of the time print is all you need. and 100% of the time it is
 perfectly possible with nothing else. But debugging tools can be very
 very good ..

Most of my programming is in ABAP, a proprietary language for SAP. It has
quite a cool debugger actually, and you can jump into it at any time and
look at code, set breakpoints and watchpoints, query tables and variables,
change variables values etc. The interface is crap, and ancient, but it
works.

It is in fact vitally important, as a lot of the code I need to debug cannot
be changed in the QA system where I'm debugging, and some of it can't
actually be changed at all [1]

/Robert

[1]slight simplifiction, but pretty much true, if there are any other SAP
people here :-)




Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Robert Shiels

 On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

  On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
   On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
Then they deserve to be hurt.  Really.  We can't possibly support
dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no wish to do so.  If someone
is
scared by a .tar.gz extension then they have no business installing
software.  Even if just for their own use.
  
   I thought one of the goals of this project was to support "dribbling
   idiots"?
 
  Idiots maybe, but not those who are sooo lacking in necessary skills
that
  they are scared by gzipped tarballs.  Don't forget, these morons are
  going to have to know how to get the files to their server, do the
  appropriate chmodding, tweak config variables in the script - if you're
  clueless enough to be scared off by .tar.gz then you're guaranteed to
  fail anyway.

Seems to me you don't really understand windows very well :-)

ws-ftp/ ftp explorer - drag and drop files onto your server

chmod - who needs that, the directory is executable already, all files are
too.

tweak config files - notepad will allow the user to either add or remove a #
from the appropriate lines in the file - these will be marked.

.tar.gz - wtf is that, why isn't there a zip file.

People keep misunderstanding this point: just because someone is using
windows/mac doesn't make them a moron. They may well be, but I know quite a
few unix morons too. It is a different skillset.

If a Mac user is trying to set up some perl scripts on a windows machine, he
may well have had no exposure to .tar.gz files (hqx, sit, zip, pak, arc
maybe). Files should be available in the format that is most commonly used
for the OS.

/rant

/Robert

BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip file on Linux!  tar
gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to know. Guess that makes me a luser!




Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-19 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Simon Wilcox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 March 2001 13:34
Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts Projects


 At 13:18 19/03/2001 +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Simon Wilcox wrote:
 
 b) That is should have a name that appeals to newbies.
  
   How about EasyScripts ? the domain name is available, anyway.
 
 Not very perl, but I like it.  Something similar though.
 
 EasyPerlScripts or even EZPerlScripts (for the American audience :) ?
 
EZPS, pronounced Easy Peas :-)

/Robert 




Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

2001-03-13 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Jon Eyre" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 10:14
 On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

  On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
   You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the
   london.pm web pages :)
 
  Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this?

 ---
 To be registrable a trade mark must be:


and it must be paid for!

http://www.patent.gov.uk/tm/howtoapply/index.htm
It costs 200 (pounds sterling) to apply to register a trade mark in one
class of goods/services, and 50 (pounds sterling) for each additional
class. Please remember that this fee is not refundable if the mark turns out
not to be registrable for any reason - it covers the cost of examination of
an application as well as other administrative costs. Please make cheques
payable to "The Patent Office".

/Robert




Re: Strange Request

2001-03-13 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49
Subject: Re: Strange Request


 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get involved. What I'd
  like to see is a series of "drop in" replacements for Matt's scripts.
There
  are counts 15 scripts on Matt's site. How long would it take us to
  rewrite them all?

 I've done his "random text CGI" thingy as a mod_perl/TT drop-in.

I haven't looked at Matts scripts, but I get the feeling that they are aimed
at beginners who have a fairly standard perl/apache installation[1]. I'm
sure your solution will be much better, but I don't think it would be a
replacement for Matt's if the users can't run it...

/Robert

[1]please ignore me if this isn't the case :)




Re: Strange Request

2001-03-13 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 You need to define a standard and stick to it. I suggest we write to Perl
 5.004_04 as it was a) pretty stable and b) the first to include CGI.pm.

Agreed. I just installed one of his scripts on my laptop, Win98, Apache
1.3.9, ActiveState's Perl5.6. There were comments in the code to make it run
OK on Win32 and I had it working in no time.

/Robert





Re: Matt's Scripts

2001-03-13 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 15:47
Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts


 At 14:23 13/03/2001, you wrote:
 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 

 Oops. I just did the Random Text one. Should have put my name down really
I
 suppose. Here it is if you're interested.

This works on my win32 box, and is more random than Matts, and required one
less line change for me.

1 down !

I'll do some more testing if you want, I'm quite good at breaking things
g.

I have access to Linux (apache), WinME/98 (apache/PWS), WinNT(IIS) and
Mac(Mac!) boxes.

/Robert




Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread Robert Shiels


 I don't know what disturbs me more - my books being sold by Amazon or my
 books
 being bought by III :)

 Dave...

I want to buy a book "Code" by Charles Petzold.

streetsonline - not available
whsmith 12.45 + 2.74 = 15.19 delivery 1-2 weeks
bol.com 12.59 + 2.95 = 15.54 delivery 3-7 days
pcbooks 13.99 + 3.50 = 17.49 next day delivery
amazon 11.13 + 2.75 = 13.88 dispatched within 24 hours

And the Amazon website has a good review of the book, and several comments
by other people who have bought it, whereas the other sites have no details
at all. No one I've found matches Amazon's service and price for books, if
the others want to compete online they are going to have to do much better.

I boycotted Amazon for a while, and stopped being an Associate, but found I
was buying less books because they were too expensive and hard to get. So I
guess I'm back to them again now.

/Robert




Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Robert Shiels

Is this a suitable place to talk about our server? I guess we should have a
separate mailing list for it eventually g

I was just wondering if we could make a list of things that have been
installed and services that are available. I would be willing to start a FAQ
and wish list if someone else isn't doing it already.

To start:

I'd like to be able to have a http://london.pm.org/~shiels web address, and
a cgi-bin directory.

I would like to have (at least) one mysql database to play with.

I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.

I doesn't make sense for us all to install things in our individual user
areas if we can share them instead.

There may of course be valid objections to doing some of the above, but it'd
be good if we had a dos and don'ts list in that case.

Thoughts?

--
Robert




Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Jonathan Stowe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2001 15:40
Subject: Re: Penderel Configuration


 On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
 
  I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.
 

 I think Meestah Cross has written something that does this, as have I and
 I think that Tom Phoenix has released Inside now which is a properly
 implemented way of doing same (I beta tested it for him and it worked
 then).

Cool - perhaps we could have the output of one of these sent to the website
automatically every night...

--
/Robert




bbspot article

2001-02-09 Thread Robert Shiels

Student Suspended Over Suspected Use of PHP

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/6/php_suspend.html

The last paragraph is amusing, and, surprisingly for me, nearly on-topic.

-- 
Robert




Re: Last Night

2001-02-05 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 It's cool because you end up sitting on the big table and
 meeting other people by 'accidently' lashing them with noodles.

 Paul (why should only children get to play with food?)

I think it's a case of knowing what to expect. If you expect quick, very
cheap food, that tastes OK then you are fine. If you want a romantic dinner
for 2, forget it and go to any of the other places 2 minutes walk away.
I've been there loads of times and a lot of the enjoyment comes from
watching the faces of the uninitiated as they realise they have definitely
come to the wrong place.

Paul, why are you up at 4 in the morning ?

/Robert




Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Robert Shiels

However, I don't question the plumber's competence, or indeed pretend to
anyone including myself that I can do a good job of it.  The same should
apply to programming.  If I were to try my hand at re-plumbing my kitchen,
 know I'd make a god-awful mess, and I am intelligent enough to not
attempt it.  The great unwashed should approach programming the same way.

When everyone has permanent net connections, and their network is open to
the world, and they do a bit of configuration/programming that opens up
their system to crackers who have a bit of a play turning off their alarm
system and opening the electronic garage door etc

then

will they call in a real professional to fix it.

This is analogous to me drilling several holes in my wall to try and put up
a curtain rail, making a complete mess of it, and calling in someone from
the yellow pages who did it in 10 minutes and charged me 30, which is what
I should have done in the first place.

or will they just install Microsoft SafeHouse(TM) which will do it all for
them

There is definitely money to be made in this area by someone!

/Robert






Re: Last Night

2001-02-02 Thread Robert Shiels

 
 I liked it because it only took 20 mins to get home :)
 
It took me 3 hours to get home :-(

/Robert 




website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Robert Shiels

I'm trying to stop people buggering about on my website and looking in
directories they shouldn't be, this includes several robots that have
started trawling through it.

I have family pictures, and work related pictures. I want each group to only
look at their own images (for example I don't want my family looking at the
pictures of pissed-up perlmongers (not that I'm ashamed of you or anything
:-)

So I guess I have to make directories, and only tell people who need to know
that they are there, and not link to them from any other publicly available
page.

I don't really like this, is there another way? I don't want to have to
resort to .htpasswd files, which is what I've implemented for now.

/Robert, realising that he doesn't know very much about web security
actually




Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Robert Shiels

 
  I don't really like this, is there another way? I don't want to have to
  resort to .htpasswd files, which is what I've implemented for now.

 er, what's wrong with them?

Well, publishing username/passwords to everyone who needs them is trickey,
and getting people to remember them is also hard.

For example, I took family photos, I want the whole family to look at them,
and anyone else who they give the link to, but my mum has enough trouble
connecting to the internet without remembering new usernames and passwords.

/Robert




Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Robert Shiels

 On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:56:24PM +, Paul Mison wrote:
  Didn't the case of 'A Fist In the Bush' prove that Amazon's "Sales"
  rankings are actually down to how many people look at things?

 Wasn't that more to do with the "people who like like also like *this*"
 rankings that the actual sales ranks, which they claim are actually
 based on sales, and not even on who's paid them most?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201615711/ref=sim_books/107-8558793-
5982946

gives Lincoln Steins rank as 11.

What does this mean then, it's hardly going to be the 11th most popular book
on Amazon, maybe it's the 11th most popular Perl book. How would you feel
being number 760 in that list Dave :-)

/Robert




Re: Video Tips

2001-01-29 Thread Robert Shiels

Staying resolutely on-topic [1], I've started watching my "League of
Gentlemen" first series DVD.

This is a very good DVD indeed, with an second audio track by the cast
talking about why they did everything.

The DVD starts with a question "Are you Local ?"

If you click "No" it switches off :)

--
Robert

[1] Not!

 Dave Cross wrote:
 
  Here's a top tip. Don't try to video two hours of programs on an hour
and a
  half of video tape.
 





Re: LAMP Stuff

2001-01-29 Thread Robert Shiels


 http://www.onlamp.com/

 Dave...


/me wonders if Dave's article on the main page is at all relevant to this
thread :-)

/Robert




Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Fowler" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 January 2001 11:19
Subject: Re: odd -w effect


  Strange.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

I've also had this problem with CGI scripts running under apache on Windows.

Keep the -w in the file, that's been my solution.

/Robert




Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 January 2001 12:43
Subject: Re: odd -w effect



 OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix
 used more in the workplace. I dunno.

Well, it does actually, in a roundabout way. People who run it at home, will
want to play with it at work too. They'll see an old Pentium box in the
corner of the office not being used, and stick Linux on it. They will hook
it up to the network and 

/Robert




Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is.

 Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh
 well.

 Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running
samba
 is the prefered development environment.

Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X
stuff.

/Robert




Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels

 So who's bankrolling the van and who wants to be BA?

 Neil.
 (whose tounge is ever so slightly on his cheek!)
 --
Sorry, but I can't resist pointing out that this amusing misspelling. I
guess I'd pronounce this a bit like lounge. Tongue is a pretty stupid way to
spell it anyway, tung would be better.

Now back to your regular (extreme) programming.

/Robert




Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels



 Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my
  time.

 There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from
 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter).


Often, when I do something that I consider really easy and spend little
effort on it, I get lots of really good feedback. Alternatively if I spend
weeks on a trickey problem, no one says anything. This seems like a similar
rule.

C'est la vie.

/Robert




Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels

 And does anyone know how to get putty to save settings like they key
 for backspace, etc, rather than my having to set them every time I start
 it?

Do you mean setting the backspace to Control-H in the keyboard tab isn't
working, or are there other esoteric things you want to set?

/Robert




Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels

 
 i'm ignoring all your points 
 
 reply-to having the address of the sender is the right thing,
 
 it means when you reply to a message you reply to author of
 that message, when you reply-all you reply to all
 
 its just the right thing
 
 so there 

Define sender then?  the mailing list is the sender IMO (no H :-)

/Robert




Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels

 On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:33:11PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
   And does anyone know how to get putty to save settings like they key
   for backspace, etc, rather than my having to set them every time I
start
   it?
  Do you mean setting the backspace to Control-H in the keyboard tab isn't
  working, or are there other esoteric things you want to set?

 The backspace-ctrl-h. I can set it once in putty, and it works, but if I
 quit putty and restart, new sessions don't get it.

You need to change it individually for each session that you save as it's
not a global thing. I've got it working here.

/Robert




Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 January 2001 14:41
Subject: Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund


 On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
   Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there.
  I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself.

 That could be good, too...

 We definately need one of the two. (IMHO)

ghh
definitely
/ghh
 that's better :-)

I think the backup system should be individual users writing cron jobs to
tar/gzip/ftp their stuff to other machines, or emailing it to their hotmail
accounts if they don't have other machines!

Who is planning to store data on penderel that they won't have somewhere
else anyway. I don't think we should ever rely on our data being there. I
have a local copy of everything that I have on other servers.

Perhaps I'm missing the point here...

/Robert




Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread Robert Shiels

  Who is planning to store data on penderel that they won't
  have somewhere
  else anyway. I don't think we should ever rely on our data
  being there. I
  have a local copy of everything that I have on other servers.

 So, we need only buy two more of whatever size disk we want in there, and
 backup to disk is a world more fun than backup to tape (unless we feel
like
 spashing out for a tape jukebox).

I like the idea of a backup disk and a procedure that automatically backs up
to it; I guess what I'm unhappy about is giving someone else the
responsibility for all our data and the job of managing tapes, that doesn't
seem fair.
From a security point of view (are we worried about hiding our data from
each other), the backup disk should only be readable by root. Yes? Or should
all the files retain the owners permissions so that we can restore our data
anytime we fancy without needing the sysadmin to do it. I like this plan.


/Robert




Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Robert Shiels

 At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:33:40 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
   
What are you planning to do on the box?
  
   It'll be purely for home use, so:
  
   * Hacking perl
   * Prototyping web sites
   * Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot
   * Write
   * Surf the web
   * Read mail
   * Play the occasional game
   * Listen to MPs
   * Burn CDs
  
  Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz
  will do that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification
  for getting such a monster machine Dave?

 Seriously, my current machine is a PentiumPro 200 Mhz and that's
 getting so frustrating that I knew I needed a new machine and I
 always buy the fastest I can so it will last as long as possible.

I'm just annoyed in that I quite recently bought a PIII866 with 256MbRAM
[1], and I'm way behind in the game already g

/Robert

[1]upgraded my P166MMX 64MB RAM




Re: Zebware

2001-01-18 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Anyone read/heard about http://www.zebware.com/ ? I just read an article
on
 them in Open (Jan 2001) issue.


 I haven't tried this with Netscape but with IE every element on their
pages
 is drag and drop-able in an impressive/disconcerting way. They employ some
 serious clustering tech as well.


I really dislike the way some of their buttons respond to the downclick, and
not the upclick.

And I'm trying to work out why you'd want to drag and drop paragraphs of
text around?

/Robert




Re: (OT-ish) whois microsoft.com

2001-01-18 Thread Robert Shiels

 
SLASHDOT.ORG.SUCKS.COMPARED.TO.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG

jimphillips has one on Microsoft too.

MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG

Hmmm

/Robert





Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 11:25
Subject: Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered


 On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:31:02AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

  David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Actually I was thinking more along the lines of me being too damned lazy
 to whore myself around, to do the accounty boring stuff, and even to send
 invoices out on time.  All that's fine when I'm just donig a bit of
 consluting on the side, of course.


Yes, but that's where the economies of scale come in. Half a dozen
consultants ought to be able to afford the services of an accounts clerk,
and maybe their own business manager who can do the pimp^h^h^h^hsearching
around for work for you.

I'm not available (or good enough) to work full time as a perl programmer,
but my current company works very much along these lines for SAP. The only
difference is that one person is the owner of the company. SAP chargeout
rates are pretty high though, which probably affects the economics of the
thing. What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get
anyway?

/Robert




Re: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary

2001-01-08 Thread Robert Shiels


  dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
   If I don't hear any objections by the end of tomorrow, I'm
   going to appoint Simon as official pub organiser and suggest
   we try the BBB for the Feb meeting (the McCarroll heretics
   can, of course, have their meeting the following week wherever
   they want).
 
I'm not particularly keen on going to London Bridge. I come from Slough and
this will reduce my drinking time by at least half and hour I'd estimate
:( I also usually combine my trip into That London with a  visit to the PC
Bookshop in Sicilian Avenue or Virgin Megastore on TCR, both walking
distance.

I'll submit to the popular vote of course, though a central London pub would
be easier if we have to change. Why don't people like the PO?

--
Robert