RE: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Leo Lapworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 XML - do it because you need it, not because of the Buzz.

Never was one for following the hype - just trying to work out if it's the
right tool or not.

Part of the problem is probably that I've heard snippets of what XML can
do/is good for, and I've been given these requirements and now I'm trying to
work out if its The Right Way or Not.
 
 XML is cool for handeling complex (or varied) data and sharing
 this info with others (but if CSV will do, then use that!).

Not sure if CSV will handle it easily...

 I'd suggest it VERY much depends on why you want to use it,
 what is the ASCII data ?

Basically it's the results from a spidering system. The results are put both
into a db and these files (one file per day).

The data will include a ranking score based on the search criteria, URI,
document summary (which will include HTML snippets - although it may not be
properly formed). There may also be some other data that needs to be saved.

CSV is an option - except that an awful lot of the data will need to be
escaped out before it goes into the file, and I would rather only have to do
when its rendered out to the browser.

I could produce my own file format from scratch - and write the tools to
look after it... eg

#URL#http://whatever.com
#SCORE#0
#SUMMARY#'broken html'/a bugger/P

Or I could use one of the XML modules to help me look after the files.


The data from these files will primarily be diplayed within an HTML page. A
perceived advantage of XML here (for someone who has barely scratched the
surface of what XML can do), is the ability to (relatively) easily take the
XML and spit it out to the browser - and yes I know it's never quite that
simple.

I'm also trying to future proof the system slightly - I think that by having
the data XML based it may make it easier to use in new and wonderful ways in
the future, without having to write all the tools from scratch.


 If it was worth putting the data into XML and you were
 worried about the speed of searching, you could always write a 
 script (with one of the _many_ XML:: modules) to slurp keywords 
 or whatever in from the XML so that you can search it in a DB and have
 that point to a file rather than trawling all the XML files
 for every search.

Unfortunately I'm not allowed to make use of the database - it is a
requirement that this particular functionality can cope with the db not
actually being there.

 
 XML in a Nutshell is a very good book. 

I'll look it up


Ta

Rob


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RE: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Roger Burton West wrote:
  DBD::CSV is your friend.
 
 I second that. DBD::CSV is yum. Also handles escaping of 
 double quotes or
 commas when inserting strings, etc.

DBD:CSV seems to be popular and on reading the docs I can see why...

... did I mention that the powers that be want to ability to hand modify
these files? And possibly by people who do not know what they are doing?

That's part of the reason why I would rather not have to worry about
escaping anything out in the data file itself - just in case somebody breaks
it.


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RE: downloady filenames

2001-06-12 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Robin Szemeti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 12 June 2001 03:14
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: downloady filenames
 
 
 ISTR somebody explaing the magic incantations you could put after
 
 Content-type: text/some-funny-application
 
 in order for the browser to try and save it as 
 'something.xyz' instead of
 'scriptname.pl' .. enlighten me please as I have flushed my 
 archive and
 lost it.


http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/media-types

has a list of the various MIME types that are out there. It will also point
your towards the relevant RFC's.

You may also need to use the

Content-Encoding: enctype

header depending on what your spitting out.

Rob


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RE: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Chris Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 Why, when the sun is shining (almost) and there is a popular (?) govt.
 do I feel like I did in early/mid 70's: like the end of the 
 world was nigh?

Hmm, not sure... but is the feeling helped buy having someone in the White
House who has no real idea of foreign policy (and doesn't seem to care that
much), and is sitting at his desk thinking (and I use the term advisedly) -
'I wonder what this big red button does...'

No, I thought not.

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RE: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-12 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Paul Makepeace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 PS -- that is one truly obnoxiously big sig.

I apologise profusely for my employers lawyers need to avoid any form of
litigation due to something that I may or may not say to the right or wrong
person while sending an email which may or may not be on behalf of the
company and therefor needs the sig from hell to disclaim anything that I may
or may not have said within said email and basically saying that anything I
did say wasn't said by me on behalf of the company or anybody else including
myself and in fact you really should consider the email that you might have
received to be totally empty and must destroy all traces of it but not until
you've emailed me back to say that you may have received it possibly or not
in error.



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RE: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Thompson


 From: Greg McCarroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Good Beer? 
 Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
 Food that can be ate in bar?
 Lots of seating?
 Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
 Central to ``business'' London?
 
 with this scale, 
 
 Penderels scores  0,0,1,1,0.5,1 = 3.5
 Anchor scores ... 1,1,0,1,0.5,0 = 3.5

There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable
from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot).

Unfortunately I haven't been there for a while, but hopefully it's still as
good as I remember.

And there's and extra point if you can name the SF book it's mentioned in.


Rob


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RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Andy Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me.
 
  Dave...
 
 
 I'd move
  
 Andy


Nah...

Have some fun...

Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again
black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera.

Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the
effect.

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RE: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)

2001-05-30 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Greg Cope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 I have no DB schema, and as such could dump the SQL schema (via
 mysqldump) - and I was wondering if there was a super thing that could
 translate the create table stuff into a diagram I could 
 print, and then
 look at  If this worked on Linux and involved perl and Dia then it
 would be fab.

Unfortunately not Linux... but a MS-Win program call Dezign (IIRC) does
this.

http://www.datanamic.com/

Rob


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RE: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

2001-05-25 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: will
 Of course we could just build a super-gun (a-la iraq) and 
 shoot bloated
 carcasses at Redmond.  This is my favouite idea.


Pigs In Space


Rob


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RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson

 
  I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else,
 
 Isolated file.
 
  If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just 
 the file format
 or filename or
  something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't 
 think MIME::
 would help.

 Unfortunately I have to rely on the standard install of ActivePerl and
 didn't want to make assumptions based on the extension type 
 of the file.
 Never mind, I will have to investigate further for future 
 use. Thanks for
 the help.

Open up the file, read in the first few bytes and grab the magic number.
Most types of binary file have a marker of some kind to designate what they
are. Any half decent book on graphics programming should be able to tell you
what the magic numbers are for the main graphics types.

You can also use this technique to scan hdd's for for files where the file
extension has been changed to 'hide it'.

I had to look up the numbers a while ago for some software that performed
said scan. It's possible I've still got them somewhere... if I have, I'll
let you know (or point you in the right direction).

Rob


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RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 man 1 file
 man 5 magic
 less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems
 

except anything written my MS of course...

Rob




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RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson

This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic
types, including sig/header block formats. All useful for anyone wanting to
play with graphics.

http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/~mxr/gfx/


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RE: Buffy ...

2001-05-17 Thread Robert Thompson


 From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 Cross David - dcross wrote:
  Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by 
  SMG tho' at http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51612812.
 
 I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster 
 uses her fake name
 when signing pictures.

To maintain the illusion


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RE: streaming output

2001-05-16 Thread Robert Thompson



 From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 At a guess: Content-Encoding: gzip instead.


Thanks, I'll give that a try.
 
  I've had a look at the relevant rfc's.
 
 Which ones? RFC 2616 (HTTP/1.1) mentions gzip not x-gzip 
 under 3.5
 Content Codings and 3.6 Transfer Codings.

I was looking at RFC's 2045  2046 which relate directly to MIME. That's
where the Content-Type and Content-Transfer-Encoding headers are talked
about.

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RE: streaming output

2001-05-16 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 At a guess: Content-Encoding: gzip instead.

Yep that worked,

thanks

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RE: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)

2001-05-16 Thread Robert Thompson

 From: Robin Houston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 Do you think it's possible to take XP too far?
 *Too* extreme?
 


Sure it is.

Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one.

Therefore having three people must be even better.

But why stop there - why not four, five, six . . .

Better yet - design/develop by committee!


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RE: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Thompson

  Swapping 'selected by 
 Tony Blair after consultation with his own sycophantic smile' for 
 hereditary strikes me as pretty  stupid, corrupt and 
 evil. Cough.

It's called confirming and strengthening your own powerbase while
undermining that of your opponent.

If we're not careful we'll end up in the situation where the TB has such a
strong powerbase that he'll be able to push through pretty much anything he
wants, riding roughshod over the the views/opinions etc of those who elected
him in the first place. Once it gets to that stage it's effectively a
dictatorship.

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RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Thompson

 This is why we should abolish democracy.
 
 We need a benevolent dictator.  Obviously we can't vote for 
 our dictator
 (not only is democracy too flawed, but then it wouldn't be a dictator
 either) so I hereby appoint myself.

Why not? The Romans did. The title of Imperator and Dictator were bestowed
by the Senate.

 
 I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church.  Any
 volunteers for my other minions?  Even if you don't want a cabinet
 post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman.  You'll get 25 days
 holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench.


Hmm, seen this somewhere before...

http://www.ruthless-world-domination.com


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RE: Monitors

2001-05-11 Thread Robert Thompson

 
 How many things do you have on top of your monitor?
 

Currently none.

But at Torrington I had 8 items ( I think ) including marzipan models of
Bagpuss (complete with Organ Mouse) and Tux.

They have yet to migrate to my job.


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RE: sing if you're happy that way

2001-05-08 Thread Robert Thompson

Chris Has Own Perl Syntax


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RE: Microsoft.FUKT

2001-05-04 Thread Robert Thompson


  This is great news for people who aren't huge fans of 
 Redmond Empire --
  not only is the spinfo in the article largely wrong (but 
 superficially
  plausible, typical FUD) but there's nothing they can do about it!
  They're in trouble and they know it.
 
  http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/03/technology/03SOFT.html
 
  user/pass london.pm/london.pm
 
 
 Microsoft and one of its software strategists, will argue 
 that the company
 already follows the best attributes of the open-source model 
 by sharing the
 original programmer's instructions, or source code, more 
 widely than is
 generally realized.
 

As long as you sign a non-disclosure agreement, submit any fixes to
Microsoft and don't let anyone else know what those fixes are, or even
necessarily that the bugs exist.

And Microsoft own all the rights to the resultant code.

Have I missed anything?

Rob

Microsoft - redefining the standard


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