The Perl Conference

2001-04-20 Thread dcross - David Cross


Mentioned this briefly last night...

Registration has opened for this year's Perl conference in San Diego.

Full details at http://conferences.oreilly.com/perl5/.

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RE: Mutagenic modules: online slides

2001-04-20 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:37 AM

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Robin Houston wrote:
 
  You want to take arbitrary languages, and execute them as if they
  were Perl. I want to take Perl and execute it as if it were an
  arbitrary language :-)
 
 Here be dragons.

"You can't just make up any old shit and expect the computer to know what
you mean, retardo!"

Or can you?

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Next Social Meeting

2001-04-20 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:54 PM

 Um, just to make this not a one-liner: davorg, are you going to post
 the decision of the emergency meeting meeting?

There was a decision? Oh, wait. I remember.

I'll be out of the country at the end of next week so I won't be able to
make a reasonable decision on going ahead.

I'm therefore going to delegate this decision-making to Jo. By next Friday,
she will decide whether to hold the meeting on the planned date (3th May) or
to postpone it for a week. Holding it the previous day doesn't sound like a
good option as tube services will start to run down from about 8:00pm that
day if the strike goes ahead.

Does that sound right?

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JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

I got this from someone called Raphael Mankin
[EMAIL PROTECTED], but I don't really know how he fits into
the picture :(

Perl progger required to work in Golders Green. Permanent/contract as you
will. 

Tasks:
1. To nursemaid a new, Mason based, web app through its initial period
2. To maintain and develop this and any other apps as they come along
3. Some Linux sysadmin (SuSE).

Location: right next to Golders Green tube.
Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract
Contact: Leo Scheiner 020 8731 7077 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


And no, I don't know what a "Perl progger" is either!

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RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:58 AM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:29:03AM +0100, Jon Galliers wrote:
  I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored
and 
  checked out the site further
  
  (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is
quite,
  um, entertaining ...)
  
  Not bad for a 13 year old though
 
 Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I get is
 the title image.

Yeah. It doesn't work at all in Netscape. Works in IE tho'. That generally
means that the tables are broken somewhere along the line.

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RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:19 AM

 Dave Cantrell wrote:
 
 Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I
 get is the title image.
 
 Got to love badly formed HTML (probably a missing /table tag or two).
... 
 And I thought he was an "master". ... Oops, sorry, that was only in
"PERL", 
 not HTML.

Running the page thru an HTML validator is an interesting experience.

http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstoredscripts
.virtualave.net%2Finput=yes

And, yes, towards the end it says: 

Line 146, character 111: 
... ogramming All Rights Reserved
 ^
Error: end tag for TABLE omitted; possible causes include a missing end tag,
improper nesting of elements, or use of an element where it is not allowed

Which will cause all of the table to be invisible in Netscape.

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RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:34 AM

 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago.
  Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and
  seemed uncomfortable with me being there.
  
  
  Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real
  go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
  
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 
 Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...

The concept of locking is so far beyond the grasp of these people that I
conveniently ignored it :)

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JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.

Note: It's MSB, so normal caveats apply.

Dave...

=

Dave,

The following is a full spec, Please distribute as widely as possible as I
am very keen to find the right candidate.

Spec :

Opportunity has arisen within clients Credit Risk area. Looking for
experienced analyst/programmer to design and develop functions within the
credit application. The application is a strategic credit-monitoring server
for the client, in production in Europe and North America. It is also about
to be upgraded to support recent accusation.

Server implemented on Sybase database, using a mixture of shell scripts,
perl, C and C++.

Major design and development work remains to enhance its functionality and
integrate with all other risk systems, plus on-going production
support/enhancements.

The role will involve all aspects of the software development life cycle,
such as developing technical specifications, coding, tuning and preparing
code for release and testing.

Skills required :

Essential
Perl Application (i.e. used Perl to write applications, not as a scripting
language or Web development). Preferably with knowledge of Perl's OO
features.
General OO knowledge
Sybase, T-SQL
Unix as a platform.

Desirable
C/C++
Banking knowledge.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Robert Lawton
Sybase Associate
0208 315 9386
07930 550 179
www.msb.com
MSB International PLC
Hanover Place
8 Ravensbourne Road
Bromley
BR1 1HP

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RE: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:05 PM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
 
 Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?

We're creating a london.pm jobs database. Jo will be talking about it
tonight.

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RE: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Rob Partington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:22 PM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:03:33PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  Obviously, from the bottom line this is a bit of a no-brainer. But this
  leaves us having to copy files over to a PC, unencrypt them, and copy
them
  back to the Unix machine. Which I'd like to avoid.
 
 Wouldn't be so bad if you're using Samba to share the Unix files.

Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix
box in question is running AIX.

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RE: Tech mtg - AAarrrgghh

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:10 AM

 It's just occured to me that today is the day that I have to move all my
 belongings out of my desk and back home. That's about half a bookshelf, a
 complete change of clothes and a bottle of tequila (and that's just my
 bottom draw).
 
 This is incompatible with travelling to State51 tonight :-(
 
 Any chance of slides etc being posted to the web site? If we could get
 something in the way of a summary of our technical meetings on the site,
it
 would not only help people who can't make the meetings, but would show to
 the world what great things we do...

That sounds like a great idea. Now, all we need in someone to organise it.

Did you say you weren't busy for the next couple of weeks :)

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RE: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Mike Wyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:40 PM

 Camels are quite hard to see at London Zoo at the moment, owing to the
 foot 'n mouth situation. I was there a couple of weeks back, and the
 heffalump house was shut. The penguins ain't bad, though.

Ooh. Thanks. I think you jsut wrote my camel visitation report for tonight
:)

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RE: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:30 PM

 Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube
 strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social
 meeting.  OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this 
 not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic?

Hmmm... You're assuming that Perl Mongers use public transport. I thought we
all swanned about in taxis and limos.

 just a thought.

And a good one. If the bastard bosses don't give in to the very reasonable
demands of our tube-driving comrades by early next week, then we'll
contemplate postponing it by a week.

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RE: What time tonight ?

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:38 PM

 What time is the technical meeting starting tonight ?

oh. um. well. let's say 7:00pm. how does that sound?

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RE: Tech mtg?

2001-04-18 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:25 PM

 Do we yet know if there's going to be a data projector for
 the tech meeting? If not, will there be _any_ kind of mechanism
 for showing things to people? (OHP, blackboard, whatever)

Richard had volunteered to go and pick up the projector from Neil and Nat's
house.

Is that still a plan?

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Mentioned in Dispatches

2001-04-18 Thread dcross - David Cross


Maybe Robin would care to comment on this :)

http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/p5pdigest/THISWEEK-20010408.html#Robin_Hous
ton_Left_On_ALL_WEEK

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RE: Tech mtg?

2001-04-18 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:41 PM

 Speaking of this meeting, will details be available on the web (such as 
 directions)? Or did I just miss that thread...

Arrgh. Something I forgot to do over the weekend.

Could someone at State51, please put something useful up on the web page -
or post directions to the list - or do _something_ that will make me look a
little less disorganised than I really am!

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RE: Mourning clothes for London.pm

2001-04-18 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:30 PM

 CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz.

Why would that bother us? Remember, we're all Willow fans here.

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RE: Mourning clothes for London.pm

2001-04-18 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 5:39 PM

 Mike Jarvis wrote:
  CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz.
 
 Who's he? Is he that Wesley bloke that I haven't seen yet?

Nah. He's a nobody who's been dating SMG for a while. Apparently they're
going to be in the live action Scooby Doo movie together. He's playing
Freddie and she's playing Daphne.

Alexis Denisof (who plays Wesley) is going out with Alyson Hannigan
(Willow).

Dave...
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Beginners Guide

2001-04-17 Thread dcross - David Cross


I'm painfully aware that not everyone on this list has the same amount of
experience and knowledge and that therefore some discussions may well go
over the head of some of the newbies. It's therefore nice to be able to find
ways to help out beginners.

For that reason, I'm happy to point out the the BBC are starting to repeat
Buffy the Vampire Slayer right from the start. The very first episode will
be shown this coming Thursday on BBC2 at 18:45. If you're going to be at the
technical meeting then you can either video it or watch the repeat on 00:35
on Friday night/Saturday morning.

After this run, we'll be able to assume that everyone has at least a
rudimentary grasp of the basics which should make discussions much easier.

Cheers,

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Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX

2001-04-17 Thread dcross - David Cross

Sorry to drag the list off-topic, but I've a Perl question!

I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first time
I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible that
it's a wider issue.

The 'make' seems to go ok, but when I run 'make test' I get the same error
for each test file:

t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so' for
module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A file or
directory in the path name does not exist. at
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168.

 at t/unbroken-text.t line 2
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/unbroken-text.t line 2.
dubious
Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200)


Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file
exists and is readable. 

The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than gcc.

Does anyone have any clues about this?

Cheers,

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RE: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX

2001-04-17 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:26 PM

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 02:12:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first
time
  I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible
that
  it's a wider issue.
  
  t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so'
for
  module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A
file or
  directory in the path name does not exist. at
  /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168.
  
  Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file
  exists and is readable. 
 
 What does file(1) tell you about that, and about a *working* loadable
module
 somewhere in the perl distribution?

blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so:   executable (RISC System/6000) or
object module not stripped

/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/auto/POSIX/POSIX.so:   executable (RISC
System/6000) or object module not stripped

  The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than
gcc.
 
 Which compiler was used to build perl?  

perl -MConfig -e'print map { "$_ : $Config{$_}\n" } keys %Config | egrep
'^cc'

cc : cc
cccdlflags :
ccdlflags : -bE:perl.exp
ccflags : -D_ALL_SOURCE -D_ANSI_C_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -qmaxmem=8192-- 

 And which libraries did it use - IBM's, or GNU's?

Is that this?

glibpth : /usr/shlib  /shlib /lib/pa1.1 /usr/lib/large /lib /usr/lib
/usr/lib/386 /lib/386 /lib/large /usr/lib/small /lib/small /usr/ccs/lib
/usr/ucblib /usr/local/lib

Or these?

lib_ext : .a
libc : /lib/libc.a
libperl : libperl.a
libpth : /lib /usr/lib /usr/ccs/lib
libs : -lnsl -ldbm -ldl -lld -lm -lc -lcrypt -lbsd -lPW
libswanted : sfio socket inet nsl nm ndbm gdbm dbm db malloc dl dld ld sun m
c cposix posix ndir dir crypt ucb bsd BSD PW x

Should I be worried about the 'lib_ext : a' line or 'so : a' that I've also
seen?

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Technical Meeting Agenda

2001-04-12 Thread dcross - David Cross


Here's the agenda(!) for the technical meeting on 19th April (a week today)
at State 51.

Committee Reports:
T-Shirt Committee
Server Committee
Canel Visitation Committee

Lightning Talks:
Not Matt's Scripts/TT Views - Mark
Why Perl Advocacy is Bad - Dave

Talks:
"101 fun things to do with Tangram" - Jo
"parsing and semantic transformation of Perl code" - Robin
Music - Alex

Still room for one or two more lightning talks - it might be nice if someone
who hasn't already spoken was to have a go. Lightning talks are a gentle way
to get into speaking at meetings. Have you done something interesting in
Perl that you'd like to tell us about? Let me know.

Cheers,

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NY Invasion

2001-04-12 Thread dcross - David Cross


Those of you embarking on the invasion of New York in a couple of weeks time
will no doubt be pleased to know that I've established contact with the
leader of the New York Perl Mongers (one David H Adler) and we've
tentatively pencilled in Thursday 26th April as a good date for us to show
them how to drink.

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RE: Technical Meeting Agenda

2001-04-12 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:20 AM

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:15:13AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  Committee Reports:
  Canel Visitation Committee
 ^
 
 God we're going down market... ;)

You didn't think I'd actually have anything to report on the _camel_ visit
did you :)

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RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09

2001-04-11 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:00 PM

 The social meeting last week was a lot of fun, if a little
 crazy. However, we really need to start organising the meetings (hey,
 even Lonix is more organised!), as it was too loud and crowded:

Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit too
'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative
opinions.

 Note that you can now subscribe just to this summary, if you don't
 want the hassle of tons of london-list mail but still want to keep up:
 http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary

Have you submitted this to the Perl mailing lists list at
http://lists.perl.org?

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RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09

2001-04-11 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:39 PM

 dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit
too
  'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative
  opinions.
 
 Well, we *could* have a formal agenda for the social meeting, starting
 off my voting in the new social meeting committee, and voting for how
 many beers we will drink in the first hour (and what muffins to
 supply)... BUT:

:)

 We have to book a room. Not doing so is silly, considering 30 or so
 people turned up and we only had one table. I blame mstevens ;-) Where
 will the next social be? Book the room now!

Booking a room is a good idea, but whenever we've tried this before pubs
have been loathe to give space to such a small group. David Cantrell once
wasted most of an afternoon calling pubs. If anyone has any suggestions for
venues that would allow us to book a room, please let us know. If anyone
wants to volunteer to try to organise this for next month then I'm sure
we'll all be very grateful.

Blaming mstevens is a good idea too. He's gone very quiet. I reckon he's
embarassed :)

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TPJ Reborn

2001-04-11 Thread dcross - David Cross


Excellent news from Jon Orwant at

http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/11/1533244

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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:17 AM

 Dave Cross wrote:
  
  I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
  
  Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.
 
 Umm. Ok.
 
 Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.

Mr Cantrell has them I believe.

 Talk over.
 
 Or am I missing something?

You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
progress to report :)

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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:19 AM

   might be nice to have status reports from:
  
  * The t-shirt committee

 What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.

There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
them :)

Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

 http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I
 think.

Been there for a few months. It's a top piece of code tho'.

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RE: Disclaimer

2001-04-10 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:28 AM

 From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:58:41AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
   Anything I release always has the following copyright and I think that
a
   number of module and script authors use a very similar form of words
out
   of respect for Larry.
  
   Dave...
  
   Copyright (C) 2000, Magnum Solutions Ltd.  All Rights Reserved.
  
   This script is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
   modify it under the same terms as Perl itself.
 
  It's also worth nothing that both the Artistic and GP licences include a
  disclaimer, so you're sorted for that too.
 
 1. I want anything I write to be free for others to use and generally
bugger
 about with.
 2. I don't want anyone to be allowed to sell my code, or to sell anything
 closely derived from it.
 3. I don't want to be sued by someone who hosed their machine while
running
 my software.
 
 Will any of the artistic/GPL/BSD licences work here? Will yours Dave
(Cross)
 work, as I like that the best as it is so short :-)

You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright
message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your
point 2.

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Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread dcross - David Cross


If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
soon.

Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
forward. might be nice to have status reports from:

* The t-shirt committee
* The server committee
* The camel visitation committee[2]

As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
longer talks.

Any questions?

Dave...

p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be
most welcome.

[1] I know that some people raised objections to State 51 as a venue, but as
I didn't get any other suggestions I didn't really have much choice :(

[2] Bugger! That's me.

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RE: the 2nd best london.pm meeting of all time

2001-04-06 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 April 2001 10:00

 I nominate last night as the 2nd best social meeting of all time, just
 behind the TVR train and toilet seat nicking of a previous meeting.

It _was_ a lot of fun. Thanks everyone for coming.

 The stolen wine by the thames at 1am was a particularly nice feature.

Oh $deity. Are we going to be barred from Vinopolis now?

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RE: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Janet Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 April 2001 10:15

  Dean:
  Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz 
  they were far far worse... Students ;)
 
 Dean,  it happens to the best of us. =)

Happened to some of us for a bloody long time.

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Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

Well, it's on their website, so it must be official.

http://www.linux.com/live/calendar.phtml?item_id=30

Event: "Author Talks" Series - Data Munging with Perl
Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)

  Location: #live on irc.openprojects.net

We will have Dave Cross, the author of Data Munging with Perl talking about
his recent book and answering any questions about the book itself or some of
the subject matter. 


Tell all your friends. No heckling.

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Books

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross


Wanderering around Charing Cross Road last night I picked up a couple of new
Perl books, "Writing CGI Applications with Perl" by Kevin Meltzer  Brent
Michalski and "Instant Perl Modules" by Doug Sparling and Frank Wiles.

Hopefully I'll have both of them with me on Thursday so anyone interested
can have a quick browse. Don't forget that I'll also have a copy of Lincoln
Stein's "Network Programming with Perl" to give to the person who asks in
the nicest manner. As usual bribery will be perfectly acceptable, but I
think I'll bar anyone who's had a freebie book from me in the past (not that
I can remember who that is!)

Cheers,

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RE: Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32

 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  Tell all your friends. No heckling.
 
 Does that mean we can heckle but they can't?   :-)

That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling."

Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :)

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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:17

 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  Funnily, enough, no.  I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
  grammar and I know of nobody who has.  It's actually quite annoying as
 
 Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
 mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/

Don't know if it's my slightly older vintage ('62) or the fact that I went
to a Comprehensive that still thought it was a Grammar, but I was being
taught parts of speech and verb declensions between '74 and '79.

 If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
 and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would
have done it".

Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's.

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RE: Question

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:32

 I guess 3 months experience in Perl programming would mean working for a
 newmedia agency...

ITYM "working for a newmedia agency would give you three months experience
in Perl programming (before it goes bust).

HTH, HAND.

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RE: Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:46

 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)
 
 In english?

8pm

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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 12:24

  I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour
  of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?)
 
 Nope, never heard of it. I learned to read proper english, as did everyone
 else I know who was schooled at that time. I have never exerienced these
 bizarre approaches you mention.

I've heard of it. I've seen it and I can even read it[1].

When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a
remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got
to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where
I picked up ITA.

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RE: Social Meeting

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 08:04

 * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  At 20:57 02/04/2001, you wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:35:13PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote:
  
On Thu Mar 29 03:13:59 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
   
 Can someone product a set of simple instructions on how to get
there.
   
Could someone please post the directions before Thursday.
  
  http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=532459Y=180389A=YZ=1
  
  And now on the web site. Apologies for general crapness in not getting
this 
  done earlier.
 
 so it definetly is the anchor this week?

The web site never lies[1].

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RE: archiving

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 13:56

 So, should we start baiting Scientologists through the archive? 

Where do I start?

* L Ron Hubbard is on record as saying the best way to make money is to
start a religion. A few years later he founded the church of scientology.

* Scientologists believe that humans are descended from clams.

* Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman were both scientologists. There's a rumour
that their (exactly) ten year marriage was a scientology contract drawn up
to cover up the fact that they're both gay.

* Scientologists pay huge sums of money to buy "secrets" that are mirrored
all over the internet. The "church" claims these are copyrighted and will do
their best to close down any site carrying these.

* The "church" was responsible for the closure of anon.penet.fi and recently
forced Slashdot to edit some comments.

* Loads more good stuff from Operation Clambake at http://www.xenu.net.

Is that the sort of thing you wanted?

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RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 15:29

 How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject
 to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
 vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm
 shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a
 camp fire, drinking and talking.

Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?

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RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 16:48

 dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
   How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject
   to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
 ^^^ 
  Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?
 
 /me suspects Dave may have been kidnapped and replaced by a dozier, evil
 replacement.

/me misparsed that completely as "FHM issue".

I have no excuse.

 Volunteers for a rescue party step forward.

Please!

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RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 16:53

 * Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  dcross - David Cross wrote:
  
How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject
to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
  ^^^ 
   Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?
 
 i was using the working assumption, that the time for the FM ban
 to be lifted was less than the time required for london.pm to
 organise this

Of course. Fair point. This should be organised about the time of the _next_
foot  mouth outbreak :)

Don't the merkans do something like this (the camping, not the FM)? They
call it "Camp Camel" - which always brings strange pictures to my mind...

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RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 16:40

 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Dean wrote:
 
  On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out
 
  I'll come if we can have marshmallows ;)
 
 Mmm.  I shall bring Mr Pointy.  All subject to FMD of course.

/me wonders if Lucy realises just how on-topic "Mr Pointy" is for this list.

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RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Rob Partington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 17:24

 In message D3AF8264E04FD311A18200508B12B1D5037C84AA@SRVLON20,
 dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Dave...
  [thing are getting strange, i'm starting to worry...]
 
 Should I call Mulder and Scully?

Was trying to think of updated lyrics to this over the weekend.

Things are getting strange, I'm starting to forget.
This could be a case for Scully and Doggett.


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RE: when are we going to see the caaaamels

2001-04-03 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: jo walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 April 2001 16:15

 can we go now that it is spring? some sunday afternoon soon?
 davorg? can we davorg?

Er... yes... I suppose so.

/me makes a mental note to work out who is entitled to camel tickets.

I anyone thinks they owe for a slice, plesae let me know.

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RE: Buffy

2001-04-02 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 April 2001 09:50

 Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:
  
   was there not a recent thread regarding a module on CPAN and someone
said
   somehting along the lines of ' we need review of modules before they
get
   onto CPAN...' :)
  
  OKOK, and you'd have a "joke" category, into which silly things such
  as Q::S, Bleach, Buffy, and Symbol::Aprox::Sub would go...
 
 You know, I'm not entirely sure that Q::S is a joke. I think it may
 have morphed into something vaguely serious now.

And I'm not sure that I'm very happy about S::A::S being called a joke
either! There are serious uses for it out there. I'm sure there are. We just
haven't found them yet!

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RE: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread dcross - David Cross

 On 2001, 21, Mar, Wed, Cross, Dave wrote:
 
  At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:57 + (GMT), Mark Fowler wrote:
   One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the 
   U.K.  
  
  As far as I can see, none of the scheduled courses in the UK are 
  much cop.
  
  What do you need? If you can get three or four people interested in
  doing the same course and can supply a suitable room, then Iterative
  would be only too happy to help you out.
 
 This is what I think they would need to learn:
 
  a) Get hit over the head a bit with my, local, strict, good 
 programming practices.  Maybe a quick refresher on how arrays, 
 hashes and suchlike really work.  (In terms of passing between 
 subroutines and stuff, how doing this 'casts' one into the other, 
 the difference between array and scalar context.)  Maybe a quick 
 refresher on references.
 
 They should know all of this already, but I'd like a course to 
 make *sure* they do, if you see what I mean
 
  b) This is how to get objects from CPAN, these are a few critical 
 classes that you need to know about.  E.g. this is Data::Dumper, 
 it's fscking useful.  LWP::Simple is your friend.  Etc, etc.  
 Something of a quick tour.
 
  c) Get to grips with writing decent objects.  E.g. this is how bless
 works, etc, etc.  This is what OO is about, how @ISA works, etc.  
 With examples that are relevant.
 
 See what I mean?  Not completely basic stuff but a course for 
 programmers who aren't really 'in sync' with perl who just need a 
 little prodding in the right direction.

Kind of an "Effective Perl" course. Sounds like about three days?
Can do.

How many people?

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RE: ActiveState Awards

2001-02-26 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Elaine -HFB- Ashton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 26 February 2001 14:23

 Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
 *
 *The page for voting is at http://www.activestate.com/Awards/.
 
 Wow, it's a good thing there aren't any women nominated...someone could
 get hurt with those 'trophies'. Any more phallic and they'd come with
 batteries. Well, Dick does run ActiveState and it's Dick's award...paint
 it black and you could have a Genuity 'Black Rocket'you'll have to buy
 your own batteries.

Don't worry Elaine, we'll make sure we nominate you next year :)

 *I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of fixing the vote, but you 
 *might be interested to know that there is a london.pm member included
 *in the list of nominations.
 
 It would be nice to have a blurb about what each were nominated for on
 the form but vote Andy as he's a swell guy :)

In case anyone's interested, the finalists (with their achivements) are:

Rocco Caputo - POE
Paul Kulchenko - SOAP modules
Matt Sergeant - AxKit
Tim Vroom - PerlMonks
Andy Wardley -Template Toolkit

All worthy winners, but ask yourself - which one is most likely to buy you a
drink at a london.pm meeting if he wins the award?

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DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross

(this is dangerously close to spam, but I know there's a certain amount of
interest here :)

Just spoke to the local distributors about the availability of DMP in
Europe. Here are the bullet points:

* There are currently 100 copies in Europe.
* Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow! They
will return at some point in the next week.
* The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles, Blackwells, Waterstones)
should all have 3 or 4 copies now.
* Amazon had (we think) 10 copies. Don't know how many they've sold.
* PC Bookshop were one of the unlucky stores whose supply went to Singapore.
Check again in two weeks.
* The person who told the PC Bookshop that it would be in stock in July was
quoting from a very old list (July 2000 was the original planned release
date).
* I will hopefully have copies of DMP and OOP to give away on Monday night.

Cheers,

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RE: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross


From: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 10:46

 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:34:06AM -, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  * There are currently 100 copies in Europe.
  * Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow!
They
  will return at some point in the next week.
  * The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles, Blackwells,
Waterstones)
  should all have 3 or 4 copies now.
  * Amazon had (we think) 10 copies. Don't know how many they've sold.
 
 There are two copies here. I *think* they both came from amazon.

I don't know what disturbs me more - my books being sold by Amazon or my
books
being bought by III :)

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Amazon (was: RE: DMP Availability)

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross


From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 11:59

 I want to buy a book "Code" by Charles Petzold.
 
 streetsonline - not available
 whsmith 12.45 + 2.74 = 15.19 delivery 1-2 weeks
 bol.com 12.59 + 2.95 = 15.54 delivery 3-7 days
 pcbooks 13.99 + 3.50 = 17.49 next day delivery
 amazon 11.13 + 2.75 = 13.88 dispatched within 24 hours

 And the Amazon website has a good review of the book, and several comments
 by other people who have bought it, whereas the other sites have no
details
 at all. No one I've found matches Amazon's service and price for books, if
 the others want to compete online they are going to have to do much
better.

Well no-one's saying you can't use the Amazon site to get reviews and info
about a book :)

 I boycotted Amazon for a while, and stopped being an Associate, but found
I
 was buying less books because they were too expensive and hard to get. So
I
 guess I'm back to them again now.

Since I gave up Amazon, I've found myself going into bookshops more.
Browsing in a bookshop is still _by far_ the best way to buy books.

And I end up buying more books. Because for each book that I got into the
shop looking for, I find another two that seem really interesting. Amazon's
"readers who bought this book..." feature really doesn't achieve the same
thing.

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RE: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 14:38

 * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Any suggestions please send my way or talk to me this evening.

 is there a meeting this evening?

This is a troll, right? You wouldn't really waste the list's time asking
questions that could be answered far more easily by checking the web page,
would you?

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p.s. Matt Sergeant's AxKit talk. Tonight. 7:30pm. Torrington Interactive.

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RE: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 13:46

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg McCarroll
  
  is there a meeting this evening?
 
 http://penderel.state51.co.uk/

AKA http://london.pm.org (probably easier to remember :)

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RE: DMP

2001-02-20 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 February 2001 11:01
 
 * at 20/02 10:35 + Mark Fowler said:
  Micheal claimed that:
  
   amazon uk have started shipping data munging with perl. I have my
   copy.
  
  Indeed they have.  I've got mine now.  They're also 
 shipping the mod_perl
  pocket reference.
  
 mmm, pc bookshop tell me uk release not till july. is this kind of
 delay normal? 

That can't be right. How did you get that info? I'll get on to the UK
distributors and see why bookshops are getting such crap information.

I would imagine that it'll be in bookshops in the next week or two.

  [% UNLESS office_policy_to_use_amazon %]
   [% INCLUDE standard_reasons_not_to_use_amazon_text %]
  [% END %]
 
 why did amazon have to go and do things that make you not want to buy
 books from them? it's enormously inconvenient.

Yeah, but don't you get such a good feeling of moral superiority when
you don't buy from them.

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RE: Technical Meeting Venues

2001-01-29 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 January 2001 15:34

 just think of the sitcom possibilities if i lived above you
 Dave? heh? heh? ;-) ;-)

Bit tricky that. What with us living in a house and all that.

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RE: apologies

2001-01-18 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 11:05
 
 I have Deep Purple at the Montreux jazz festival 2000... ;-)

That all sounds a bit Spinal Tap.

"We hope you like our new direction" :)

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RE: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42
 
  What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get
  anyway?
 
 Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the
 programmer. And the task.

Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted as a Perl programmer for less
than 50/hr. Normally I'd estimate at about 500/day. I'd have thought that
if we were selling ourselves as top-notch Perl consultants (Dave H's
"getting it right" idea), then it would be more like double that.

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RE: apologies

2001-01-18 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 13:46

 Dave Cross wrote:
  
  OK. So we're now a speaker down. Anyone want to save the 
  day by stepping in to give a 20 min talk - or do I have to 
  talk about Symbol::Approx::Sub _again_?
 
 I could give a talk on either Flash stuff (again, although there's not
 much else to say ATM that people don't already know) or 
 something on IP - Longtitude and Latitude.

Either sounds fine to me. You choose. You're on first :)

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RE: Technical Meeting Agenda

2001-01-12 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 January 2001 15:58
 
 Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  We'll start with four or five lightning talks. Currently 
  I've only got Robin talking about Oulipo, but I'm sure we 
  can come up with a couple more between us.
 
 I'd like to do: "What my Perl Monger World Map Lightning Talk at
 yapc::Europe should have been".

m'kay. And I think that's enought lightning talks people. Anyone else will
have to save it until Feb and become a support act for either Matt Sergeant
or Damian Conway.

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RE: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Peter Corlett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 January 2001 13:12

 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
  Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-)
  Yeah, we want our own mailing list server.
 
 Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need 
 be, just give me the root password and I'll go and set it up...

We've had this discussion before (maybe in irc or in the pub) and decided
that installing Majordomo would be a bad idea. I thought we'd decided on
mailman as it seems to be the best MLM out there. Yes it's written in
Python, but there's plenty of other software on the box which isn't written
in Perl...

...and besides, there's a rumour that Andy Wardley has a hacked version of
mailman that doesn't have the 'Powered by Python' logos :)

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RE: From whence cometh www.fnord.demon.co.uk?

2001-01-11 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 January 2001 13:57

 Is anyone here responsible for www.fnord.demon.co.uk, or know
 someone who is?

I used to hang around with the MTCP groupies, but haven't spoken to any of
them for some time. You might get more information from the
slightly-more-official http://www.mtcp.co.uk or the mailing list
http://www.mtcp.co.uk/online/list/join.html.

 It's really only a matter of curiosity[1].  I was drawn there after
 last night's Mark Thomas Product on Channel 4 and noticed a cryptic
 Perl 3 liner (which I couldn't get to work) prominently placed on a
 front page.
 
   http://www.fnord.demon.co.uk/mt/fifth/
 
 Some time later on the same site I came across a reference to Mark
 being a "Meeja Hor" and it rung a London.pm bell.

The Mark Thomas usage came first. A couple of years ago, he wore t-shirts
with weird slogans on for each show. A couple of them were 'Meeja Hor' and
'Mor Hor'. The first was obviously ripe for appropriation and lengthening (a
kind of "Embrace and Extend").
 
 [1] Although I would like to suggest a version of the site that
 doesn't require various plugins.

And, especially, a version that _doesn't_ insist on playing horrible midi
files at you on every page :(

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RE: Manning Tk book

2001-01-10 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: DJ Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 January 2001 14:33

 On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 07:47:27PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote:
  Was anyone on list involved in the beta reading of this one?
  
  
 http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=1884777937
  
  If so did it look promising?
 
 It was going in the right direction, but there hasn't seemed to 
 have been much activity on it in the last few months ...

I chatted to Andrew Johnson about this yesterday. He's just very busy right
now and this doesn't seem to be particularly close to the top of his list of
priorities.

It will happen, but he's loathe to give any timeframes.

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RE: Books

2001-01-08 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 January 2001 14:53
 
 David Hodgkinson wrote:
  Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   And anyway, computing by publisher is getting a lot 
 better. You just
   browse O'Reilly, Addison Wesley and Prentice Hall.
  
  Heretic. Manning publish Conway's OO Perl book.
 
 And Dave's "I got to use 'Munging' in a book title" book, no?

Yep (well in a couple of weeks time :)

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RE: Stuff

2001-01-05 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 January 2001 16:17

 D'oh!
 
 Still suffering the jetlag of the train home last night and 
 getting   3 hours sleep (well that's my excuse).
 
 So Dave do you need me to send this to dave [at] dave.org now?

Nope. It's already gone there (and to another 150 or so addresses g)

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RE: JOB: At A Very Well-Known Company

2001-01-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Piers Cawley
Sent: 04 January 2001 09:37

[stuff about a job at Ft.com (oops! promised I'd keep the client's name a
secret :)
 
 Thought that sounded familiar, they phoned me about it. But want
 references before they'll put me up for an interview and I'm damned if
 I'm going to give 'em free sales leads. Say Dave, can I name you as a
 referee? 

I try to use as references people who a) aren't contractors and b) have
completely inappropriate skillsets :)

I'd be happy to act as a reference for you Piers, but from what my last
reference told me, the Aerotek verbal references can be quite detailed and
I@m not sure that I'd have all the info they need.

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RE: FOOD

2001-01-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Batistoni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 January 2001 12:21

  Are you all mad?
  
  Wendy's. Obviously. 
  
  Dave...
 
 They're dead and gone. All their locations in London are now McD's.

But this is terrible news. When did it happen?

Actually it happened once before. There were loads of Wendys in London in
the early 80s, but they all turned into Pizza Huts in about 1983. The big
Pizza Hut on the Strand was a Wendys, as was the one on Cambridge Circus.
For some reason the Wendys on Praed St was the only one that didn't change.

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RE: Books

2001-01-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 January 2001 14:50
 
 * at 04/01 13:26 + David Hodgkinson said:
  
  It took me three bookshops on Charing Cross Road to get a 
  perl library together for the guys I'm working with, but 
  I managed it without having to go into Foyle's. Yeah!
 
 er, what's wrong with foyles if it's not a silly question?

Typical customer enquiry in Foyles:

Customer: Can you tell me where your books on [insert random subject] are?
Foyles Bod: Who are they published by?
C: Huh?
FB: All of our books are classified by publisher. We find that's easier for
finding a specific book.
C: But I don't know what book I want. I just want to look at all of the
books on [insert random subject] and compare them.
FB: Then you'll have to visit each publisher's section indiviudally.
C (mutters to self): Or I could just go next door to Waterstones.


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RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26

 Simon Wistow wrote:
  
  Mark Fowler wrote:
  
   Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films
  
   6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto
  
  7. UHF
 
 And, how can I forget
 
 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Ok. Let's be clear here.

There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film.

It is very, very bad.

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RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Mark Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 January 2001 17:30

 Must watch Buffy.  Has anyone got 
 
  a) the original film

Yes. Much to my dismay :(

  b) episodes of the current series on BBC 

I've got the first 11 episodes - which is about as far as the BBC have got
on series 4. The second series 4 boxed set is on pre-order at everyone's
favourite online video store (release date Feb 12th).

 on tape that they'd consider lending me...

Sure. Shall I bring them along on Thursday[1]?

 (see, I *knew* this thread would finally get back round to 
 buffy again)

And series 5 starts on Sky One on Friday.

Dave...

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Penderels Oak this month in the hope that it will be substantially emptier
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