The Perl Conference
Mentioned this briefly last night... Registration has opened for this year's Perl conference in San Diego. Full details at http://conferences.oreilly.com/perl5/. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Mutagenic modules: online slides
From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:37 AM On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Robin Houston wrote: You want to take arbitrary languages, and execute them as if they were Perl. I want to take Perl and execute it as if it were an arbitrary language :-) Here be dragons. "You can't just make up any old shit and expect the computer to know what you mean, retardo!" Or can you? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Next Social Meeting
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:54 PM Um, just to make this not a one-liner: davorg, are you going to post the decision of the emergency meeting meeting? There was a decision? Oh, wait. I remember. I'll be out of the country at the end of next week so I won't be able to make a reasonable decision on going ahead. I'm therefore going to delegate this decision-making to Jo. By next Friday, she will decide whether to hold the meeting on the planned date (3th May) or to postpone it for a week. Holding it the previous day doesn't sound like a good option as tube services will start to run down from about 8:00pm that day if the strike goes ahead. Does that sound right? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
JOB: Anyone still looking?
I got this from someone called Raphael Mankin [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I don't really know how he fits into the picture :( Perl progger required to work in Golders Green. Permanent/contract as you will. Tasks: 1. To nursemaid a new, Mason based, web app through its initial period 2. To maintain and develop this and any other apps as they come along 3. Some Linux sysadmin (SuSE). Location: right next to Golders Green tube. Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract Contact: Leo Scheiner 020 8731 7077 [EMAIL PROTECTED] And no, I don't know what a "Perl progger" is either! Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: The Natives are Revolting
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:58 AM On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:29:03AM +0100, Jon Galliers wrote: I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored and checked out the site further (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is quite, um, entertaining ...) Not bad for a 13 year old though Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'. All I get is the title image. Yeah. It doesn't work at all in Netscape. Works in IE tho'. That generally means that the tables are broken somewhere along the line. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: The Natives are Revolting
From: Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:19 AM Dave Cantrell wrote: Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'. All I get is the title image. Got to love badly formed HTML (probably a missing /table tag or two). ... And I thought he was an "master". ... Oops, sorry, that was only in "PERL", not HTML. Running the page thru an HTML validator is an interesting experience. http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstoredscripts .virtualave.net%2Finput=yes And, yes, towards the end it says: Line 146, character 111: ... ogramming All Rights Reserved ^ Error: end tag for TABLE omitted; possible causes include a missing end tag, improper nesting of elements, or use of an element where it is not allowed Which will cause all of the table to be invisible in Netscape. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: The Natives are Revolting
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:34 AM Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago. Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and seemed uncomfortable with me being there. Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453 Shame your solution ignored the locking problem... The concept of locking is so far beyond the grasp of these people that I conveniently ignored it :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
JOB: Another one (Banking)
This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Note: It's MSB, so normal caveats apply. Dave... = Dave, The following is a full spec, Please distribute as widely as possible as I am very keen to find the right candidate. Spec : Opportunity has arisen within clients Credit Risk area. Looking for experienced analyst/programmer to design and develop functions within the credit application. The application is a strategic credit-monitoring server for the client, in production in Europe and North America. It is also about to be upgraded to support recent accusation. Server implemented on Sybase database, using a mixture of shell scripts, perl, C and C++. Major design and development work remains to enhance its functionality and integrate with all other risk systems, plus on-going production support/enhancements. The role will involve all aspects of the software development life cycle, such as developing technical specifications, coding, tuning and preparing code for release and testing. Skills required : Essential Perl Application (i.e. used Perl to write applications, not as a scripting language or Web development). Preferably with knowledge of Perl's OO features. General OO knowledge Sybase, T-SQL Unix as a platform. Desirable C/C++ Banking knowledge. Thanks in advance for your help. Robert Lawton Sybase Associate 0208 315 9386 07930 550 179 www.msb.com MSB International PLC Hanover Place 8 Ravensbourne Road Bromley BR1 1HP -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: JOB: Another one (Banking)
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:05 PM On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs? We're creating a london.pm jobs database. Jo will be talking about it tonight. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP
From: Rob Partington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:22 PM On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:03:33PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Obviously, from the bottom line this is a bit of a no-brainer. But this leaves us having to copy files over to a PC, unencrypt them, and copy them back to the Unix machine. Which I'd like to avoid. Wouldn't be so bad if you're using Samba to share the Unix files. Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix box in question is running AIX. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Tech mtg - AAarrrgghh
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:10 AM It's just occured to me that today is the day that I have to move all my belongings out of my desk and back home. That's about half a bookshelf, a complete change of clothes and a bottle of tequila (and that's just my bottom draw). This is incompatible with travelling to State51 tonight :-( Any chance of slides etc being posted to the web site? If we could get something in the way of a summary of our technical meetings on the site, it would not only help people who can't make the meetings, but would show to the world what great things we do... That sounds like a great idea. Now, all we need in someone to organise it. Did you say you weren't busy for the next couple of weeks :) -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: next social meeting vs tube strike
From: Mike Wyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:40 PM Camels are quite hard to see at London Zoo at the moment, owing to the foot 'n mouth situation. I was there a couple of weeks back, and the heffalump house was shut. The penguins ain't bad, though. Ooh. Thanks. I think you jsut wrote my camel visitation report for tonight :) -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: next social meeting vs tube strike
From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:30 PM Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social meeting. OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic? Hmmm... You're assuming that Perl Mongers use public transport. I thought we all swanned about in taxis and limos. just a thought. And a good one. If the bastard bosses don't give in to the very reasonable demands of our tube-driving comrades by early next week, then we'll contemplate postponing it by a week. Red Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: What time tonight ?
From: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:38 PM What time is the technical meeting starting tonight ? oh. um. well. let's say 7:00pm. how does that sound? -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Tech mtg?
From: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:25 PM Do we yet know if there's going to be a data projector for the tech meeting? If not, will there be _any_ kind of mechanism for showing things to people? (OHP, blackboard, whatever) Richard had volunteered to go and pick up the projector from Neil and Nat's house. Is that still a plan? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Mentioned in Dispatches
Maybe Robin would care to comment on this :) http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/p5pdigest/THISWEEK-20010408.html#Robin_Hous ton_Left_On_ALL_WEEK Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Tech mtg?
From: Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:41 PM Speaking of this meeting, will details be available on the web (such as directions)? Or did I just miss that thread... Arrgh. Something I forgot to do over the weekend. Could someone at State51, please put something useful up on the web page - or post directions to the list - or do _something_ that will make me look a little less disorganised than I really am! Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Mourning clothes for London.pm
From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:30 PM CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz. Why would that bother us? Remember, we're all Willow fans here. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Mourning clothes for London.pm
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 5:39 PM Mike Jarvis wrote: CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz. Who's he? Is he that Wesley bloke that I haven't seen yet? Nah. He's a nobody who's been dating SMG for a while. Apparently they're going to be in the live action Scooby Doo movie together. He's playing Freddie and she's playing Daphne. Alexis Denisof (who plays Wesley) is going out with Alyson Hannigan (Willow). Dave... [local "Hello" correspondent] -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Beginners Guide
I'm painfully aware that not everyone on this list has the same amount of experience and knowledge and that therefore some discussions may well go over the head of some of the newbies. It's therefore nice to be able to find ways to help out beginners. For that reason, I'm happy to point out the the BBC are starting to repeat Buffy the Vampire Slayer right from the start. The very first episode will be shown this coming Thursday on BBC2 at 18:45. If you're going to be at the technical meeting then you can either video it or watch the repeat on 00:35 on Friday night/Saturday morning. After this run, we'll be able to assume that everyone has at least a rudimentary grasp of the basics which should make discussions much easier. Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
Sorry to drag the list off-topic, but I've a Perl question! I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first time I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible that it's a wider issue. The 'make' seems to go ok, but when I run 'make test' I get the same error for each test file: t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so' for module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A file or directory in the path name does not exist. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168. at t/unbroken-text.t line 2 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/unbroken-text.t line 2. dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file exists and is readable. The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than gcc. Does anyone have any clues about this? Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:26 PM
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 02:12:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first
time
I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible
that
it's a wider issue.
t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so'
for
module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A
file or
directory in the path name does not exist. at
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168.
Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file
exists and is readable.
What does file(1) tell you about that, and about a *working* loadable
module
somewhere in the perl distribution?
blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: executable (RISC System/6000) or
object module not stripped
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/auto/POSIX/POSIX.so: executable (RISC
System/6000) or object module not stripped
The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than
gcc.
Which compiler was used to build perl?
perl -MConfig -e'print map { "$_ : $Config{$_}\n" } keys %Config | egrep
'^cc'
cc : cc
cccdlflags :
ccdlflags : -bE:perl.exp
ccflags : -D_ALL_SOURCE -D_ANSI_C_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -qmaxmem=8192--
And which libraries did it use - IBM's, or GNU's?
Is that this?
glibpth : /usr/shlib /shlib /lib/pa1.1 /usr/lib/large /lib /usr/lib
/usr/lib/386 /lib/386 /lib/large /usr/lib/small /lib/small /usr/ccs/lib
/usr/ucblib /usr/local/lib
Or these?
lib_ext : .a
libc : /lib/libc.a
libperl : libperl.a
libpth : /lib /usr/lib /usr/ccs/lib
libs : -lnsl -ldbm -ldl -lld -lm -lc -lcrypt -lbsd -lPW
libswanted : sfio socket inet nsl nm ndbm gdbm dbm db malloc dl dld ld sun m
c cposix posix ndir dir crypt ucb bsd BSD PW x
Should I be worried about the 'lib_ext : a' line or 'so : a' that I've also
seen?
Dave...
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Technical Meeting Agenda
Here's the agenda(!) for the technical meeting on 19th April (a week today) at State 51. Committee Reports: T-Shirt Committee Server Committee Canel Visitation Committee Lightning Talks: Not Matt's Scripts/TT Views - Mark Why Perl Advocacy is Bad - Dave Talks: "101 fun things to do with Tangram" - Jo "parsing and semantic transformation of Perl code" - Robin Music - Alex Still room for one or two more lightning talks - it might be nice if someone who hasn't already spoken was to have a go. Lightning talks are a gentle way to get into speaking at meetings. Have you done something interesting in Perl that you'd like to tell us about? Let me know. Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
NY Invasion
Those of you embarking on the invasion of New York in a couple of weeks time will no doubt be pleased to know that I've established contact with the leader of the New York Perl Mongers (one David H Adler) and we've tentatively pencilled in Thursday 26th April as a good date for us to show them how to drink. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Technical Meeting Agenda
From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:20 AM On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:15:13AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Committee Reports: Canel Visitation Committee ^ God we're going down market... ;) You didn't think I'd actually have anything to report on the _camel_ visit did you :) Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:00 PM The social meeting last week was a lot of fun, if a little crazy. However, we really need to start organising the meetings (hey, even Lonix is more organised!), as it was too loud and crowded: Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit too 'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative opinions. Note that you can now subscribe just to this summary, if you don't want the hassle of tons of london-list mail but still want to keep up: http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary Have you submitted this to the Perl mailing lists list at http://lists.perl.org? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:39 PM dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether: Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit too 'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative opinions. Well, we *could* have a formal agenda for the social meeting, starting off my voting in the new social meeting committee, and voting for how many beers we will drink in the first hour (and what muffins to supply)... BUT: :) We have to book a room. Not doing so is silly, considering 30 or so people turned up and we only had one table. I blame mstevens ;-) Where will the next social be? Book the room now! Booking a room is a good idea, but whenever we've tried this before pubs have been loathe to give space to such a small group. David Cantrell once wasted most of an afternoon calling pubs. If anyone has any suggestions for venues that would allow us to book a room, please let us know. If anyone wants to volunteer to try to organise this for next month then I'm sure we'll all be very grateful. Blaming mstevens is a good idea too. He's gone very quiet. I reckon he's embarassed :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
TPJ Reborn
Excellent news from Jon Orwant at http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/11/1533244 Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:17 AM Dave Cross wrote: I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else. Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place. Umm. Ok. Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed. Mr Cantrell has them I believe. Talk over. Or am I missing something? You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of progress to report :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April
From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:19 AM might be nice to have status reports from: * The t-shirt committee What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one. There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of them :) Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone? http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I think. Been there for a few months. It's a top piece of code tho'. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Disclaimer
From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:28 AM From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:58:41AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Anything I release always has the following copyright and I think that a number of module and script authors use a very similar form of words out of respect for Larry. Dave... Copyright (C) 2000, Magnum Solutions Ltd. All Rights Reserved. This script is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. It's also worth nothing that both the Artistic and GP licences include a disclaimer, so you're sorted for that too. 1. I want anything I write to be free for others to use and generally bugger about with. 2. I don't want anyone to be allowed to sell my code, or to sell anything closely derived from it. 3. I don't want to be sued by someone who hosed their machine while running my software. Will any of the artistic/GPL/BSD licences work here? Will yours Dave (Cross) work, as I like that the best as it is so short :-) You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your point 2. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Technical Meeting - 19th April
If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er... soon. Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step forward. might be nice to have status reports from: * The t-shirt committee * The server committee * The camel visitation committee[2] As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three longer talks. Any questions? Dave... p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be most welcome. [1] I know that some people raised objections to State 51 as a venue, but as I didn't get any other suggestions I didn't really have much choice :( [2] Bugger! That's me. -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: the 2nd best london.pm meeting of all time
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 April 2001 10:00 I nominate last night as the 2nd best social meeting of all time, just behind the TVR train and toilet seat nicking of a previous meeting. It _was_ a lot of fun. Thanks everyone for coming. The stolen wine by the thames at 1am was a particularly nice feature. Oh $deity. Are we going to be barred from Vinopolis now? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: sub BEGIN {}
From: Janet Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2001 10:15 Dean: Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz they were far far worse... Students ;) Dean, it happens to the best of us. =) Happened to some of us for a bloody long time. Dave... [seven years a student - still only got a BSc out of it] -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Linux.com Online Chat
Well, it's on their website, so it must be official. http://www.linux.com/live/calendar.phtml?item_id=30 Event: "Author Talks" Series - Data Munging with Perl Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific) Location: #live on irc.openprojects.net We will have Dave Cross, the author of Data Munging with Perl talking about his recent book and answering any questions about the book itself or some of the subject matter. Tell all your friends. No heckling. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Books
Wanderering around Charing Cross Road last night I picked up a couple of new Perl books, "Writing CGI Applications with Perl" by Kevin Meltzer Brent Michalski and "Instant Perl Modules" by Doug Sparling and Frank Wiles. Hopefully I'll have both of them with me on Thursday so anyone interested can have a quick browse. Don't forget that I'll also have a copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming with Perl" to give to the person who asks in the nicest manner. As usual bribery will be perfectly acceptable, but I think I'll bar anyone who's had a freebie book from me in the past (not that I can remember who that is!) Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Linux.com Online Chat
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Tell all your friends. No heckling. Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-) That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling." Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:17
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
Don't know if it's my slightly older vintage ('62) or the fact that I went
to a Comprehensive that still thought it was a Grammar, but I was being
taught parts of speech and verb declensions between '74 and '79.
If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)
Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would
have done it".
Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's.
Dave...
[who makes lots of typos - but _knows_ they are typos]
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RE: Question
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 10:32 I guess 3 months experience in Perl programming would mean working for a newmedia agency... ITYM "working for a newmedia agency would give you three months experience in Perl programming (before it goes bust). HTH, HAND. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Linux.com Online Chat
From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 10:46 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific) In english? 8pm Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 12:24 I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?) Nope, never heard of it. I learned to read proper english, as did everyone else I know who was schooled at that time. I have never exerienced these bizarre approaches you mention. I've heard of it. I've seen it and I can even read it[1]. When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where I picked up ITA. Dave... [1] Or could. Might be a bit rusty now. -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Social Meeting
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 08:04 * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 20:57 02/04/2001, you wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:35:13PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: On Thu Mar 29 03:13:59 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Can someone product a set of simple instructions on how to get there. Could someone please post the directions before Thursday. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=532459Y=180389A=YZ=1 And now on the web site. Apologies for general crapness in not getting this done earlier. so it definetly is the anchor this week? The web site never lies[1]. Dave... [1] Actually, sometimes it does. But on this occasion, it doesn't :) -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: archiving
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 13:56 So, should we start baiting Scientologists through the archive? Where do I start? * L Ron Hubbard is on record as saying the best way to make money is to start a religion. A few years later he founded the church of scientology. * Scientologists believe that humans are descended from clams. * Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman were both scientologists. There's a rumour that their (exactly) ten year marriage was a scientology contract drawn up to cover up the fact that they're both gay. * Scientologists pay huge sums of money to buy "secrets" that are mirrored all over the internet. The "church" claims these are copyrighted and will do their best to close down any site carrying these. * The "church" was responsible for the closure of anon.penet.fi and recently forced Slashdot to edit some comments. * Loads more good stuff from Operation Clambake at http://www.xenu.net. Is that the sort of thing you wanted? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Crazy Idea
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 15:29 How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a camp fire, drinking and talking. Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Crazy Idea
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 16:48 dcross - David Cross wrote: How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into ^^^ Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you? /me suspects Dave may have been kidnapped and replaced by a dozier, evil replacement. /me misparsed that completely as "FHM issue". I have no excuse. Volunteers for a rescue party step forward. Please! Dave... [thing are getting strange, i'm starting to worry...] -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Crazy Idea
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 16:53 * Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: dcross - David Cross wrote: How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into ^^^ Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you? i was using the working assumption, that the time for the FM ban to be lifted was less than the time required for london.pm to organise this Of course. Fair point. This should be organised about the time of the _next_ foot mouth outbreak :) Don't the merkans do something like this (the camping, not the FM)? They call it "Camp Camel" - which always brings strange pictures to my mind... Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Crazy Idea
From: Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 16:40 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Dean wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out I'll come if we can have marshmallows ;) Mmm. I shall bring Mr Pointy. All subject to FMD of course. /me wonders if Lucy realises just how on-topic "Mr Pointy" is for this list. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Crazy Idea
From: Rob Partington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 17:24 In message D3AF8264E04FD311A18200508B12B1D5037C84AA@SRVLON20, dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave... [thing are getting strange, i'm starting to worry...] Should I call Mulder and Scully? Was trying to think of updated lyrics to this over the weekend. Things are getting strange, I'm starting to forget. This could be a case for Scully and Doggett. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: when are we going to see the caaaamels
From: jo walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2001 16:15 can we go now that it is spring? some sunday afternoon soon? davorg? can we davorg? Er... yes... I suppose so. /me makes a mental note to work out who is entitled to camel tickets. I anyone thinks they owe for a slice, plesae let me know. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Buffy
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2001 09:50 Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: was there not a recent thread regarding a module on CPAN and someone said somehting along the lines of ' we need review of modules before they get onto CPAN...' :) OKOK, and you'd have a "joke" category, into which silly things such as Q::S, Bleach, Buffy, and Symbol::Aprox::Sub would go... You know, I'm not entirely sure that Q::S is a joke. I think it may have morphed into something vaguely serious now. And I'm not sure that I'm very happy about S::A::S being called a joke either! There are serious uses for it out there. I'm sure there are. We just haven't found them yet! Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Perl Training Courses
On 2001, 21, Mar, Wed, Cross, Dave wrote: At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:57 + (GMT), Mark Fowler wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. As far as I can see, none of the scheduled courses in the UK are much cop. What do you need? If you can get three or four people interested in doing the same course and can supply a suitable room, then Iterative would be only too happy to help you out. This is what I think they would need to learn: a) Get hit over the head a bit with my, local, strict, good programming practices. Maybe a quick refresher on how arrays, hashes and suchlike really work. (In terms of passing between subroutines and stuff, how doing this 'casts' one into the other, the difference between array and scalar context.) Maybe a quick refresher on references. They should know all of this already, but I'd like a course to make *sure* they do, if you see what I mean b) This is how to get objects from CPAN, these are a few critical classes that you need to know about. E.g. this is Data::Dumper, it's fscking useful. LWP::Simple is your friend. Etc, etc. Something of a quick tour. c) Get to grips with writing decent objects. E.g. this is how bless works, etc, etc. This is what OO is about, how @ISA works, etc. With examples that are relevant. See what I mean? Not completely basic stuff but a course for programmers who aren't really 'in sync' with perl who just need a little prodding in the right direction. Kind of an "Effective Perl" course. Sounds like about three days? Can do. How many people? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: ActiveState Awards
From: Elaine -HFB- Ashton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 February 2001 14:23 Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *The page for voting is at http://www.activestate.com/Awards/. Wow, it's a good thing there aren't any women nominated...someone could get hurt with those 'trophies'. Any more phallic and they'd come with batteries. Well, Dick does run ActiveState and it's Dick's award...paint it black and you could have a Genuity 'Black Rocket'you'll have to buy your own batteries. Don't worry Elaine, we'll make sure we nominate you next year :) *I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of fixing the vote, but you *might be interested to know that there is a london.pm member included *in the list of nominations. It would be nice to have a blurb about what each were nominated for on the form but vote Andy as he's a swell guy :) In case anyone's interested, the finalists (with their achivements) are: Rocco Caputo - POE Paul Kulchenko - SOAP modules Matt Sergeant - AxKit Tim Vroom - PerlMonks Andy Wardley -Template Toolkit All worthy winners, but ask yourself - which one is most likely to buy you a drink at a london.pm meeting if he wins the award? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
DMP Availability
(this is dangerously close to spam, but I know there's a certain amount of interest here :) Just spoke to the local distributors about the availability of DMP in Europe. Here are the bullet points: * There are currently 100 copies in Europe. * Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow! They will return at some point in the next week. * The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles, Blackwells, Waterstones) should all have 3 or 4 copies now. * Amazon had (we think) 10 copies. Don't know how many they've sold. * PC Bookshop were one of the unlucky stores whose supply went to Singapore. Check again in two weeks. * The person who told the PC Bookshop that it would be in stock in July was quoting from a very old list (July 2000 was the original planned release date). * I will hopefully have copies of DMP and OOP to give away on Monday night. Cheers, Dave... [still posting from Acxiom as the list is still eating mails I send from my dave.org.uk webmail] -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: DMP Availability
From: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2001 10:46 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:34:06AM -, dcross - David Cross wrote: * There are currently 100 copies in Europe. * Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow! They will return at some point in the next week. * The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles, Blackwells, Waterstones) should all have 3 or 4 copies now. * Amazon had (we think) 10 copies. Don't know how many they've sold. There are two copies here. I *think* they both came from amazon. I don't know what disturbs me more - my books being sold by Amazon or my books being bought by III :) Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Amazon (was: RE: DMP Availability)
From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2001 11:59 I want to buy a book "Code" by Charles Petzold. streetsonline - not available whsmith 12.45 + 2.74 = 15.19 delivery 1-2 weeks bol.com 12.59 + 2.95 = 15.54 delivery 3-7 days pcbooks 13.99 + 3.50 = 17.49 next day delivery amazon 11.13 + 2.75 = 13.88 dispatched within 24 hours And the Amazon website has a good review of the book, and several comments by other people who have bought it, whereas the other sites have no details at all. No one I've found matches Amazon's service and price for books, if the others want to compete online they are going to have to do much better. Well no-one's saying you can't use the Amazon site to get reviews and info about a book :) I boycotted Amazon for a while, and stopped being an Associate, but found I was buying less books because they were too expensive and hard to get. So I guess I'm back to them again now. Since I gave up Amazon, I've found myself going into bookshops more. Browsing in a bookshop is still _by far_ the best way to buy books. And I end up buying more books. Because for each book that I got into the shop looking for, I find another two that seem really interesting. Amazon's "readers who bought this book..." feature really doesn't achieve the same thing. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Class::DBI + job posting
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2001 14:38 * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Any suggestions please send my way or talk to me this evening. is there a meeting this evening? This is a troll, right? You wouldn't really waste the list's time asking questions that could be answered far more easily by checking the web page, would you? Dave... p.s. Matt Sergeant's AxKit talk. Tonight. 7:30pm. Torrington Interactive. -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Class::DBI + job posting
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2001 13:46 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg McCarroll is there a meeting this evening? http://penderel.state51.co.uk/ AKA http://london.pm.org (probably easier to remember :) Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: DMP
From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 February 2001 11:01 * at 20/02 10:35 + Mark Fowler said: Micheal claimed that: amazon uk have started shipping data munging with perl. I have my copy. Indeed they have. I've got mine now. They're also shipping the mod_perl pocket reference. mmm, pc bookshop tell me uk release not till july. is this kind of delay normal? That can't be right. How did you get that info? I'll get on to the UK distributors and see why bookshops are getting such crap information. I would imagine that it'll be in bookshops in the next week or two. [% UNLESS office_policy_to_use_amazon %] [% INCLUDE standard_reasons_not_to_use_amazon_text %] [% END %] why did amazon have to go and do things that make you not want to buy books from them? it's enormously inconvenient. Yeah, but don't you get such a good feeling of moral superiority when you don't buy from them. Dave... [posting from acxiom account as the last few messages from my other account seemed to go missing en route] -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Technical Meeting Venues
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 January 2001 15:34 just think of the sitcom possibilities if i lived above you Dave? heh? heh? ;-) ;-) Bit tricky that. What with us living in a house and all that. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: apologies
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2001 11:05 I have Deep Purple at the Montreux jazz festival 2000... ;-) That all sounds a bit Spinal Tap. "We hope you like our new direction" :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42 What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get anyway? Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the programmer. And the task. Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted as a Perl programmer for less than 50/hr. Normally I'd estimate at about 500/day. I'd have thought that if we were selling ourselves as top-notch Perl consultants (Dave H's "getting it right" idea), then it would be more like double that. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: apologies
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2001 13:46 Dave Cross wrote: OK. So we're now a speaker down. Anyone want to save the day by stepping in to give a 20 min talk - or do I have to talk about Symbol::Approx::Sub _again_? I could give a talk on either Flash stuff (again, although there's not much else to say ATM that people don't already know) or something on IP - Longtitude and Latitude. Either sounds fine to me. You choose. You're on first :) Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Technical Meeting Agenda
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2001 15:58 Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether: We'll start with four or five lightning talks. Currently I've only got Robin talking about Oulipo, but I'm sure we can come up with a couple more between us. I'd like to do: "What my Perl Monger World Map Lightning Talk at yapc::Europe should have been". m'kay. And I think that's enought lightning talks people. Anyone else will have to save it until Feb and become a support act for either Matt Sergeant or Damian Conway. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: the list is dead, long live the list
From: Peter Corlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2001 13:12 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the root password and I'll go and set it up... We've had this discussion before (maybe in irc or in the pub) and decided that installing Majordomo would be a bad idea. I thought we'd decided on mailman as it seems to be the best MLM out there. Yes it's written in Python, but there's plenty of other software on the box which isn't written in Perl... ...and besides, there's a rumour that Andy Wardley has a hacked version of mailman that doesn't have the 'Powered by Python' logos :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: From whence cometh www.fnord.demon.co.uk?
From: Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2001 13:57 Is anyone here responsible for www.fnord.demon.co.uk, or know someone who is? I used to hang around with the MTCP groupies, but haven't spoken to any of them for some time. You might get more information from the slightly-more-official http://www.mtcp.co.uk or the mailing list http://www.mtcp.co.uk/online/list/join.html. It's really only a matter of curiosity[1]. I was drawn there after last night's Mark Thomas Product on Channel 4 and noticed a cryptic Perl 3 liner (which I couldn't get to work) prominently placed on a front page. http://www.fnord.demon.co.uk/mt/fifth/ Some time later on the same site I came across a reference to Mark being a "Meeja Hor" and it rung a London.pm bell. The Mark Thomas usage came first. A couple of years ago, he wore t-shirts with weird slogans on for each show. A couple of them were 'Meeja Hor' and 'Mor Hor'. The first was obviously ripe for appropriation and lengthening (a kind of "Embrace and Extend"). [1] Although I would like to suggest a version of the site that doesn't require various plugins. And, especially, a version that _doesn't_ insist on playing horrible midi files at you on every page :( Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Manning Tk book
From: DJ Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 January 2001 14:33 On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 07:47:27PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote: Was anyone on list involved in the beta reading of this one? http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=1884777937 If so did it look promising? It was going in the right direction, but there hasn't seemed to have been much activity on it in the last few months ... I chatted to Andrew Johnson about this yesterday. He's just very busy right now and this doesn't seem to be particularly close to the top of his list of priorities. It will happen, but he's loathe to give any timeframes. Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Books
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 January 2001 14:53 David Hodgkinson wrote: Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And anyway, computing by publisher is getting a lot better. You just browse O'Reilly, Addison Wesley and Prentice Hall. Heretic. Manning publish Conway's OO Perl book. And Dave's "I got to use 'Munging' in a book title" book, no? Yep (well in a couple of weeks time :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Stuff
From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2001 16:17 D'oh! Still suffering the jetlag of the train home last night and getting 3 hours sleep (well that's my excuse). So Dave do you need me to send this to dave [at] dave.org now? Nope. It's already gone there (and to another 150 or so addresses g) Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: JOB: At A Very Well-Known Company
From: Piers Cawley Sent: 04 January 2001 09:37 [stuff about a job at Ft.com (oops! promised I'd keep the client's name a secret :) Thought that sounded familiar, they phoned me about it. But want references before they'll put me up for an interview and I'm damned if I'm going to give 'em free sales leads. Say Dave, can I name you as a referee? I try to use as references people who a) aren't contractors and b) have completely inappropriate skillsets :) I'd be happy to act as a reference for you Piers, but from what my last reference told me, the Aerotek verbal references can be quite detailed and I@m not sure that I'd have all the info they need. Cheers, Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: FOOD
From: Simon Batistoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2001 12:21 Are you all mad? Wendy's. Obviously. Dave... They're dead and gone. All their locations in London are now McD's. But this is terrible news. When did it happen? Actually it happened once before. There were loads of Wendys in London in the early 80s, but they all turned into Pizza Huts in about 1983. The big Pizza Hut on the Strand was a Wendys, as was the one on Cambridge Circus. For some reason the Wendys on Praed St was the only one that didn't change. Dave... [who realises that he probably knows too much about this subject] The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Books
From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2001 14:50 * at 04/01 13:26 + David Hodgkinson said: It took me three bookshops on Charing Cross Road to get a perl library together for the guys I'm working with, but I managed it without having to go into Foyle's. Yeah! er, what's wrong with foyles if it's not a silly question? Typical customer enquiry in Foyles: Customer: Can you tell me where your books on [insert random subject] are? Foyles Bod: Who are they published by? C: Huh? FB: All of our books are classified by publisher. We find that's easier for finding a specific book. C: But I don't know what book I want. I just want to look at all of the books on [insert random subject] and compare them. FB: Then you'll have to visit each publisher's section indiviudally. C (mutters to self): Or I could just go next door to Waterstones. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26 Simon Wistow wrote: Mark Fowler wrote: Right, that's it. I'm going to have to compile a list of films 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto 7. UHF And, how can I forget 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer Ok. Let's be clear here. There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film. It is very, very bad. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
From: Mark Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 January 2001 17:30 Must watch Buffy. Has anyone got a) the original film Yes. Much to my dismay :( b) episodes of the current series on BBC I've got the first 11 episodes - which is about as far as the BBC have got on series 4. The second series 4 boxed set is on pre-order at everyone's favourite online video store (release date Feb 12th). on tape that they'd consider lending me... Sure. Shall I bring them along on Thursday[1]? (see, I *knew* this thread would finally get back round to buffy again) And series 5 starts on Sky One on Friday. Dave... [1] Oh yeah. Meeting this Thursday (4th Jan) people. We'll stick with Penderels Oak this month in the hope that it will be substantially emptier after the xmas frivolity is out of the way. The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
