Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Mark Fowler
Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. Nice BLINK tags. bss? Biological Sciences Staff? Hmmm. Mark. -- print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} ( Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:40:56PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. OK ... when I said "there's nothing they

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Philip Newton
Tony Bowden wrote: The classic case is someone who retypes a phone book. You can't reissue it in the same order (i.e. alphabetic by surname) as the original, but you could quite happily order it numberic by phone number and no-one could do anything... They could in Germany :-). There's been

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Mike Jarvis
Tony Bowden wrote: The fact you are recording is "What Billboard said was number one". *That* is a fact. Why they decided it was number one isn't the issue. How about if I put up a website wherein I disclose the fact: "This is what the object code to commercial app looks like?" Under (U.S.)

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:03:52AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: The fact you are recording is "What Billboard said was number one". *That* is a fact. Why they decided it was number one isn't the issue. How about if I put up a website wherein I disclose the fact: "This is what the object code

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Matthew Jones
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:03:52AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: The fact you are recording is "What Billboard said was number one". *That* is a fact. Why they decided it was number one isn't the issue. How about if I put up a website wherein I disclose the fact: "This is what the object code

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-18 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:53:12PM -, Matthew Jones wrote: Is this relevant at all? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/16147.html "The injunction was granted thanks to new European database laws that essentially assume data to be copyrightable" Almost certainly. As I say, my legal

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Steve Mynott
Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:54:04PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: Since the majority of UK programmers work in London they are less than likely to want to attend a conference there in peak holiday season IMHO Actually I'd rather it not be in

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
David Cantrell writes: Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver:

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread alex
In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. Alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23.

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread James Powell
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. Yeah

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread James Powell
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:47:37AM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote: David Cantrell writes: Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all. After all, if my employers are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to send me somewhere nice. Rome. Or Vienna perhaps,

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Vienna] This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Gareth Harper
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Joe Dolce Shaddap ya face -Original Message- From: Dave Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2001 12:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:09:46 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic! It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the meeting on Thursday to collect :) (I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the lurkers out of hiding

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Leon Brocard
Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august, but

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Philip Newton
Leon Brocard wrote: Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dean S Wilson
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. I could go with

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agadoo. Forget it. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Leon Brocard
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)? Once a venue has been found, things will start to happen. Give it a couple of weeks. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Jonathan Peterson
all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. Also, as it is a modern cruise

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Kieran Barry
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more.

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Wyer
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Mike Wyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. Michael

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Steve Mynott
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks.

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At 17 Jan 2001 15:54:31 +, Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the "Guiness Book of Hit Singles". Yeah. Great book. I should buy

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. That's the sucker! Neil. -- Neil C.

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Simon Wistow
Dave Cross wrote: Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Number ones on this day .. 5 years ago .. Michael Jackson - 'Earth Song' 10 .. Iron Maiden - 'Take your daughter to the slaughter' 15 ..

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Kieran Barry
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks.

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Gareth Harper wrote: there are sites with all the no1's, but I don't know of any with all the top tens, theres probably one around, if not, start one ;) Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is factual. Factual

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:34:21PM +, Tony Bowden wrote: If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. Roger

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Tony Bowden wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. jsut do them as they do to you ... (or indeed as some guy is doing to the football league right

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Robin Szemeti wrote: jsut do them as they do to you ... snip the arsenal fan story ... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top 10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1 selected page from the site .. The problem would be, you still

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10 though. You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to accuracy as anybody else. If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you better have

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Robin Szemeti wrote: and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :) Did you label the variants as Billboard charts? If not, they aren't publishing the same thing. A list of songs is not a chart. -- mike

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread Andrew Bowman
From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols[1]? August is, in some quarters at

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread Nathan Torkington
Andrew Bowman writes: You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols[1]? August is, in some quarters at least, considered a non-month for the purposes of all sorts of events - possibly even for an Open Source Convention :-) Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl,

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread Nathan Torkington
David Cantrell writes: Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for intercontinental

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread Andrew Bowman
From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl, it's for a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.) What we really need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's in August? I imagine it will to some

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-16 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, you wrote: Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl, it's for a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.) What we really need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's in August? I suspect most UK based families would