Re: odd -w effect
- Original Message - From: "Mark Fowler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 January 2001 11:19 Subject: Re: odd -w effect Strange. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've also had this problem with CGI scripts running under apache on Windows. Keep the -w in the file, that's been my solution. /Robert
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Mark Fowler wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strange. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Unix might have a problem if you take the -w out using a windows based
editor which will insert some nasty line terminator at the end of the
lines and screw up the file. That's what I normally find the
problem is when 'nix can't find the file.
That is, replacing \n by \r\n. As you can see in the error message:
": no such file or directory
which is undoubtedly short for qq("/usr/local/bin/perl\r": no such file or
directory) -- the carriage return causing the filename to be overwritten by
the rest of the error message.
Cheers,
Philip
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:57:13PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Mark Fowler wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strange. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Unix might have a problem if you take the -w out using a windows based
editor which will insert some nasty line terminator at the end of the
lines and screw up the file. That's what I normally find the
problem is when 'nix can't find the file.
That is, replacing \n by \r\n. As you can see in the error message:
": no such file or directory
which is undoubtedly short for qq("/usr/local/bin/perl\r": no such file or
directory) -- the carriage return causing the filename to be overwritten by
the rest of the error message.
Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot
that some people use windows.
--james.
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Re: odd -w effect
At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:08:50 +, Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot that some people use windows. If only I could. Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save with unix line ending conventions... And Xemacs. Seems to work fine with both Unix and DOS line endings, but I haven't yet worked out how to change them. Dave...
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:35:17PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: Let's be kind to the poor Windows users, encouraging them with the lure of free powerful software; once they get a taste for it they'll be begging you to help them get Linux installed as a dual boot on their home machines, then as they get used to it and driver support gets better they'll find themselves booting Linux more than Windows, then their conversion away from the dark side will be complete :-) I think the appropriate attitude is to NOT try to convert people, except possibly in a slightly silly "muh, you must use linux for everything" way that I personally don't take too seriously. We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going "aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves, and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed. OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix used more in the workplace. I dunno. Michael
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On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed: We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going "aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves, and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed. OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix used more in the workplace. I dunno. I think it's just like proactive evangelism vs "living a good life" - when your box hasn't crashed six times today, and it's running a clone of a production web site faster than the live box, and it's doing all the monitoring for the company, and... people start to say "ooh, how can I get some of that". This is a reaction that hitting them over the head with Debian CDs rarely engenders (though it's fun anyway). Roger
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:46:13PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed: We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going "aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves, and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed. OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix used more in the workplace. I dunno. I think it's just like proactive evangelism vs "living a good life" - when your box hasn't crashed six times today, and it's running a clone of a production web site faster than the live box, and it's doing all the monitoring for the company, and... people start to say "ooh, how can I get some of that". This is a reaction that hitting them over the head with Debian CDs rarely engenders (though it's fun anyway). I was actually thinking religion here as the analogy... Anyway, we seem to be in furious agreement. Michael
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As I seemed to be destined to be ignored, I'll do what I should have done
and shoult a little louder:
UltraEdit32 is a really good windows editor[1] if you like the way of
Windows. It does all the right things (in the way that perl does all the
right things) with line endings. And a lot more (but in a good way, not
in a bloat way)
If you're on Windows and you want to be on Linux then get emacs or
whatever, which do work, but don't bitch about the people using
their metophor of choice not using emacs. Just bitch at them for
using a shit program (e.g. notepad) and give them a really nice
windows style program (e.g. ultraedit). TMTOWTDI.
Later.
Mark.
[1] It's shareware. It's actually the last commerical software (excluding
games) I bought.
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Re: odd -w effect
From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 January 2001 12:43 Subject: Re: odd -w effect OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix used more in the workplace. I dunno. Well, it does actually, in a roundabout way. People who run it at home, will want to play with it at work too. They'll see an old Pentium box in the corner of the office not being used, and stick Linux on it. They will hook it up to the network and /Robert
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Michael Stevens wrote: I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut paste. I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace that with the contents of the clipboard. troll Why do you hate to say it? It's better than cut and paste of X. Linux isn't the be all and end all. It's not even the best Unix clone out there in my opinion - it just has the most support. But if that's the measure of how good it is then Windows is better. Inux just happens to be better at doing most stuff that we need to do. But it doesn't mean that it's the best OS. In fact when you think about it it's a bit shit and is based on 30 year old technology which wasn't even the best OS back then (c.f http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) but then at least it's not nearly as bad as X is. *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. /troll Simon [grumpy today]
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:50PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save with unix line ending conventions... Having recently done this, the thing you want is set-buffer-file-coding-system, the default keybinding being 'C-x RET f'. I can highly recommend undecided-unix. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:39:13PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:36:40PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:31:28PM +, Michael Stevens typed: I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins you see outside offices. DD is vaguely useful sometimes. Just not when I'm editing text. I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut paste. I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace that with the contents of the clipboard. Presume you have Pending-delete-mode in Xemacs set up then I also have this in my .emacs (ctrl changed to alt, just to confuse me when moving platforms but not to confuse emacs or X). ;; windows emu (require 'pc-select) (pc-select-mode t) (global-set-key [(alt c)] copy-primary-selection) (global-set-key [(alt v)] yank) (global-set-key [(alt x)] copy-region-as-kill) (global-set-key [(alt left)] backward-word) (global-set-key [(alt right)] forward-word) (global-set-key [(alt up)] backward-paragraph) (global-set-key [(alt down)] forward-paragraph)
RE: odd -w effect
*nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh well. Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment.
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From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh well. Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment. Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X stuff. /Robert
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:18:17PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Must remember to try IE under WINE. Don't bother. It doesn't work. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is nice. Any idea what body-part it is?
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I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest way to produce it. so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in? -- Duncan Bates Developer Proxicom UK Tel: 020 7321 3812 Mobile: 07884 336 532 http://www.proxicom.com/
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-Original Message- From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment. Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X stuff. If you've got a nice meaty box at home then run Linux with NT in vmware, you get a very nice system that way. You have a two machine subnet for clean network testing that can be firewalled off at the Linux host os, you can use procmail to check for vbs viri and then use outlook and IE for web browsing. Its how I used to do 95% of my work. Well until my motherboard started frying harddrives... Dean PS Running Linux in VMWare on NT works fine as well but its sick :) -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
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Original Message- From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Must remember to try IE under WINE. Don't bother. It doesn't work. I've seen IE5 running under wine on Debian. The machine did have a 98 partition though so he might have been using the libraries from there, is that cheating? :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh well. Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment. Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X stuff. I am using X-WIn32 right now. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:23:57PM -, Bates, Duncan wrote: I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest way to produce it. so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in? docbook? markup / WYSINWYG rules dj
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment. I'm with you on that one. That's what I'm doing right now, and with PuTTY being such a great tiny-footprint client, the combo is lowest-common- denominator and extremely portable. I don't get involved with the e.g. Gnome vs KDE or whatever - because I don't have a 'desktop' as such. luvverly. dj '80x25' adams
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At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:23:57 -, "Bates, Duncan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest way to produce it. so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in? Oh, I'd probably do something based using the Template Toolkit :) But seriously, probably DocBook, or Latex. Dave...
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment. Aye aye. Windows UI is much nicer than linux's (right now) and linux doesn't have a decent browser which is a serious handicap. My mileage varies. Although you're right about the browser. Michael
