Re: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- pitfalls of scaling consultancies

2001-01-20 Thread Leon Brocard

Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether:

 Y'all might find this excellent piece interesting,
 
 http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$287

Pretty darn interesting. Fogcreek sounds like a pretty cool place to
work. I'd suggest that if we were thinking of doing something similar
we'd need to build a product, or concentrate on a product or something
like that. Do a MySQL or an AxKit, and get a couple of companies
interested right from the start or there's no point. Hmmm.

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Re: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- pitfalls of scaling consultancies

2001-01-20 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Pretty darn interesting. Fogcreek sounds like a pretty cool place to
 work. I'd suggest that if we were thinking of doing something similar
 we'd need to build a product, or concentrate on a product or something
 like that. Do a MySQL or an AxKit, and get a couple of companies
 interested right from the start or there's no point. Hmmm.

Talk to Gunther. This is what Extropia tried to do.

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Re: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- pitfalls of scaling consultancies

2001-01-20 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  Talk to Gunther. This is what Extropia tried to do.
 
 Hey, Gunther was talking about this kind of thing at Apachecon, 

He had some very good opinions on this. I wish I hadn't been so
pissed.

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Re: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- pitfalls of scaling consultancies

2001-01-20 Thread Paul Makepeace

From: "Robin Houston" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/managing-software-engineers/

I particularly liked:

"Your business success will depend on the extent to which programmers
essentially live at your office. For this to be a common choice, your office
had better be nicer than the average programmer's home. There are two ways to
achieve this result. One is to hire programmers who live in extremely shabby
apartments. The other is to create a nice office. "

This is so extraordinarily obvious (about aesthetic rather than the living
bit -- that's extreme) and hadn't yet occurred to me -- I look back at the
places I worked that sucked and they all were shabby  unkempt or tidy but
amazingly dull. Hmm. PS I *really* recommend going to a plant shop and
putting even just a few plants around the home  office. Maybe just me, but
it makes the environment so much more pleasant.

The whole "Turning good programmers into good managers" section was good with
its decoupling scheduling responsibility and review responsibility. Neat
idea.


 Even if that article is slightly tongue-in-cheek, it disturbs me :-)

Really? Why? Scary -- it mostly seemed pretty sensible to me! Eek.

The bit I disagreed with was more hours always equal more productivity. There
is definitely an upper limit I have. I can certainly sprint (and am best
probably at bursts) but above a certain point (200hr over a month or so) my
code quality and concentration declines. I'm sure this is broadly true of
everyone for different upper limits. Discover what works best and do that,
while trying to also continuously progress.

Having a life is important - I honestly think the brain works better if it
has to deal with something completely different for a while. Search for user
comments on the neurological effects of overstimulation.


Paul






Re: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- pitfalls of scaling consultancies

2001-01-20 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, you wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 08:01:51PM +, Chris Benson wrote:
 
  Another link is 
  
  http://www.arsdigita.com/careers/
  
  They seem to be a very good model for a consultancy business 
 
 Personally I wouldn't like to work anywhere that thinks like this:
   http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/managing-software-engineers/
 
 Even if that article is slightly tongue-in-cheek, it disturbs me :-)
 

I could detect no tongue in cheekness about it ... he truly believes that
if he;s not pushing you to 70~80 hours a week then you aint working hard
enough ..  according to his own calculations his company burdens
programmers with around 25 hours a week of management crap .. I know
where i;d start looking for effiencies.

this article was more up to date:

http://www.fastcompany.com/online/25/geeks.html

much more up to speed with the culture.
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