Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-17 Thread Philip Newton

David H. Adler wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:03:43AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
  
  dha, how's your "last read" mark?
 
 Eh?

An obscure reference to a remark you made in Penderel's Oak after
yapc::Europe 19100. Something to the effect that you have a mark which
indicates, in your MUA, the boundary between "read" and "unread" messages in
a mail folder, and that this mark is never on the first page of messages in
your london-list folder.

Had to do, apparently, not only with the traffic a mailing list gets but
also with whether you keep messages around or delete them after reading
them.

Unfortunately, I don't recall the comment exactly.

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-17 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 01:49:26PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 
 Unfortunately, I don't recall the comment exactly.

Same here.  But I have a vague concept of what you mean.  The last read
mark, by now, has become something I don't even notice... for the sake
of my own sanity.  :_)

dha
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-07 Thread Piers Cawley

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:02PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
   Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker
  
  I seem to solve this by being one all along...
 
 'Elitist' implies to me that one is applying unreasonable, arbitrary
 criteria.  

It does? I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Now, where'd I put the OED data
disk?

 Well shit, if despising scum is unreasonable and arbitrary, then
 sign me up!

You bofh. Me bofh too...

-- 
Piers




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-06 Thread pmh

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:08:09 +0100 (BST), Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel!
  Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!"
 
 Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm.

I've yet to see a unicycle with a quick release wheel, though. However, mine
does have a quick release saddle. That's to say, last time I mounted it, the
saddle snapped in two. That was over six months ago, and I still haven't got
round to fitting the new saddle I immediately bought.

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Dean

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:19:46PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
   Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of
   people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it.
 
 A while back. It was the time with the wearable computers demo.

Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz they were
far far worse... Students ;)

Dean
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Janet Reid

 Dean:
 Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz they were
 far far worse... Students ;)
Dean,  it happens to the best of us. =)
I am worse even than that, I am a wannabe student...!

signed patient grasshopper





RE: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Janet Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 April 2001 10:15

  Dean:
  Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz 
  they were far far worse... Students ;)
 
 Dean,  it happens to the best of us. =)

Happened to some of us for a bloody long time.

Dave...
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Janet Reid


 Yes. But some were too old to be students. Oh well..
how old is that exactly =)




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Martin Ling

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:19:46PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 
 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dean wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
   Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of
   people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it.
  How long ago was this? I'm worried now in case i was there and looked like
  a w4r3z d00dz ;)
 
 A while back. It was the time with the wearable computers demo.

Neill's, I take it, rather than one of my impromptu borgings? I've no
idea who most of those people were. Some kind of gargoyle groupie effect
g... I heard some dreadful stories about the wearables thing at ICA
some time back too. 

All this said, there were an obscene number of people at Lonix last
night, who once again I have no idea about other than that they were
being given advice by the people I steer clear of for asking long, slow
and stupid questions.

Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker, it's just that I'd
like all these morons to fuck off :-P


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Martin Ling

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, wrote:
 
 All this said, there were an obscene number of people at Lonix last
 night, who once again I have no idea about other than that they were
 being given advice by the people I steer clear of for asking long, slow
 and stupid questions.
 
 Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker, it's just that I'd
 like all these morons to fuck off :-P

Blimey, I need to cool down. Sorry.


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Dean

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  A while back. It was the time with the wearable computers demo.
 
 Neill's, I take it, rather than one of my impromptu borgings? I've no
 idea who most of those people were. Some kind of gargoyle groupie effect
 g... I heard some dreadful stories about the wearables thing at ICA
 some time back too. 

Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal
use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch
pad? ;)
 
 All this said, there were an obscene number of people at Lonix last
 night,

At least 50 people in the restaurant from the number of individual meals on
the bill. And we lost a bundle when we left the pub... Twas a good night.
London PM even had a representitive present as Mr Brocard made an
apperence. And was scared ;)

 Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker, it's just that I'd
 like all these morons to fuck off :-P

I'd settle for having them learn to quote in email...

Dean
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   --- Anon



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:03:43AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 
 dha, how's your "last read" mark?

Eh?

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker

I seem to solve this by being one all along...

-- 
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:19:54PM +0100, Dean wrote:
 Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal
 use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch
 pad? ;)

This guy -- http://eyetap.org/mann/  I set up one of his exhibits
http://www.wearcam.org/dusting/seatsale/index.htm in SF recently
and shared an apartment for a while. Steve shows up *wearing*
a dual alpha board with about 60GB of drives whirring around
his waist recording video data his eye-mounted camera and mirror
contraption. This guy *lives* in a mediated experience.

Paul



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:02PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker
 
 I seem to solve this by being one all along...

'Elitist' implies to me that one is applying unreasonable, arbitrary
criteria.  Well shit, if despising scum is unreasonable and arbitrary,
then sign me up!

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:19:54PM +0100, Dean wrote:

 Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal
 use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch
 pad? ;)

Well I would actually.  It's really rather pleasant to have the world
visible through emacs^Wvi.

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Philip Newton

Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:31:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  Indeed, that was just my observation on a few posts' worth. 
  Who *knows* what I might conclude about a whole day's traffic..
 
 ..that you need to put your London.pm folder on its own spanning
 compressed partition.

Heck yeah. Leon++, Leon++ for having taken on the daunting task of
summarising each week's 2GB or so of traffic.

dha, how's your "last read" mark?

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:22:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
   Yeah, yeah drunks, skateboarders, musicians .
  ...geeks, goths, jugglers, Natscis.  And that's just me.

ex-natscis too. :)

 I raise you (at least) two accomplished unicyclists...

Doesn't that make a bicyclist?

 Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel!
 Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!"

Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm.

MBM

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:08:09AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  I raise you (at least) two accomplished unicyclists...
 
 Doesn't that make a bicyclist?

No, trust me.

  Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel!
  Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!"
 
 Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm.

Ah yes, the Harley Hardtail Pogo-stick.

Paul



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:28:24PM +0100, Dean S Wilson wrote:
 
 Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meetings on Thursday so
 you announced yourself just in time! ;)

I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Dean

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
 for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.

Which is on a subject a lot of people on the list are interested in,
wireless networking and the Consume.net project so you might get to meet
some of this lot anyway :)

Dean
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   --- Anon



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Martin Ling

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:14:28AM +0100, Dean wrote:
 
  I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
  for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.
 
 Which is on a subject a lot of people on the list are interested in,
 wireless networking and the Consume.net project so you might get to meet
 some of this lot anyway :)

Grrrew...okay, I'll come, but expect me to be sitting there with two
laptops hacking somewhat manically. Far, far too many things to do this
week.


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:41:46AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:12:57PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
   Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
   and no-one told me?
  
  And drunks!  Don't forget drunks!
  
 
 drunk crazy buffy fans

riding on ponies?

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:28:24PM +0100, Dean S Wilson wrote:
  
  Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meetings on Thursday so
  you announced yourself just in time! ;)
 
 I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
 for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.
 
Details? Location? URL?

Neil.
(who proabably ought to stay home this weekend, but. )



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Leon Brocard

Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether:

 Details? Location? URL?

http://gllug.linux.co.uk/

Leon
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Dean

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:02:14PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
  
  I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
  for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.
  
 Details? Location? URL?


-Paste


The next GLLUG meeting will be on Saturday 7th April 2001, between 2
and
6pm.  New venue this time, we will be at the

CFC Preview Theatre,
19-23 Wells St.,
London W1,

not too far from the Plaza Centre in Oxford Street.  For a handy map,
take a look
at
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?P2M?P=W1P3FPZ=1

For your edutainment, we hope to have the following talks on the day.



Martin Ling - "Wireless networking with Linux and the Consume.net
project"

Martin will provide an overview of wireless networking support in
Linux,
and explain how one can use low cost hardware to join in a spreading,
decentralized and independent network being established through the
consume.net project. If you already have wireless hardware, feel free
to
bring it along and join in the fun.



John Hearns - "Computers Go to the Movies".

It is a general introduction to the work of our host FrameStore, a
post
production movie house in Soho.  He'll cover the equipment, computing
and networking used for special effects and 3D animation work.



Richard Moore (IBM) - "Dynamic Probes"

Richard will tell us how to use IBM's DProbes with Opersys' Linux
Trace
Toolkit  to provide a universal (dynamic) tracing capability for
Linux.
It is universal because it provides a common tracing mechanism for
all
executables whether in user or kernel space. It is dynamic because
tracepoints are defined and applied dynamically to object modules as
probepoints using DProbes - no source code modification is required.

See
http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux/projects/dprob
es/
for a taster of things to come.


---Stop--

Now if only someone would do a community news letter to cover this stuff...

I've seen Johns talk at SAGE-WISE and its a good one. 

Dean

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Cozens

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:19:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. 

"*think* *think* Don't they have enough universities of their own?"

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Dean

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Dean wrote:
   I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
   for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.

While i'm doing this i might as well plug the Lonix tonight (www.lonix.org.uk)

Lonix is normally pub, pub, food, pub maybe club. It covers as much Linux
as the London PM social nights do Perl ;)

Dean
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   --- Anon



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dean wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Dean wrote:
 Lonix is normally pub, pub, food, pub maybe club. It covers as much Linux
 as the London PM social nights do Perl ;)

Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of
people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it.

Tushar was an exception.

MBM

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Martin Ling

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 
 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dean wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Dean wrote:
  Lonix is normally pub, pub, food, pub maybe club. It covers as much Linux
  as the London PM social nights do Perl ;)
 
 Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of
 people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it.

When was that? We periodically get skiddies from L2600, who I don't
think even use it, let alone have reasons other than that it's m4d l33t.


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Leon Brocard

Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:

 Dean I think your clock is out by an hour which really screws up my
 threading/archiving/tiny little mind - any chance you could fix it.

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (WinNT; U)

Simon, I think your mail reader has broken threading:
http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html

Any chance you could use a decent one? I suggest mutt.

Leon
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Leon Brocard

Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:

 I'm not threading. I order my mail by date. Ptt.

No wonder you're getting confused! :-P

Leon
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:57:40AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:19:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. 
 
 "*think* *think* Don't they have enough universities of their own?"

I've been in the US too long, that joke wouldnt've worked here. They say
'school' which always makes me laugh.

"You were in school when you were *how old*? Ha ha ha" /unvoiced

Paul



sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Martin Ling

Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
and no-one told me?


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Martin Ling wrote:

 Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
 and no-one told me?


YOu havent been around here very long have you :)

/J\




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:23:15PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 
  Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
  and no-one told me?
 
 YOu havent been around here very long have you :)

Indeed, that was just my observation on a few posts' worth. Who *knows*
what I might conclude about a whole day's traffic..


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:31:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 Indeed, that was just my observation on a few posts' worth. Who *knows*
 what I might conclude about a whole day's traffic..

..that you need to put your London.pm folder on its own spanning
compressed partition.

Paul



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Lucy McWilliam


Jonathan Stowe wrote:

 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, David H. Adler wrote:
  On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:12:57PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
   Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
   and no-one told me?
  And drunks!  Don't forget drunks!
 
 
 Yeah, yeah drunks, skateboarders, musicians .

...geeks, goths, jugglers, Natscis.  And that's just me.


L.
"The sun always shines on TV."




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:12:57PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
  and no-one told me?
 
 And drunks!  Don't forget drunks!
 

drunk crazy buffy fans

-- 
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:22:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
  Yeah, yeah drunks, skateboarders, musicians .
 
 ...geeks, goths, jugglers, Natscis.  And that's just me.

I raise you (at least) two accomplished unicyclists...

Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel!
Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!"



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-03 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:12 03/04/2001, you wrote:
Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
and no-one told me?

Yeah. Sorry. We should probably make that clearer :)

Dave...



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