Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-06-04 Thread john . hearns

Robert Thompson wrote:


 There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable
 from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot).

 Unfortunately I haven't been there for a while, but hopefully it's still as
 good as I remember.


Sorry to speak up against the George.

It does have a lot of history, and is well worth a visit of a Saturday
afternoon.
Last coaching inn left from a street once full of them, Dickens drank there
etc.
It is also the only pub run by the National Trust.

Downside is that it is not all that large, and gets horribly crowded on a
summers evening.
Lots of students and workers from nearby Guys.
The tiny bar serving areas get chock-a-block.
Also, IMHO, to beer is not kept that well, and I've never had a good pint
there.

On the accessibility front, it is not that good.
The ladies loo is on the same level, but there are steps and uneven floors
everywhere.
The gents loo is in a  modern block out in the courtyard.





Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-06-04 Thread Simon Wistow

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Downside is that it is not all that large, and gets horribly crowded on a
 summers evening.
 Lots of students and workers from nearby Guys.
 The tiny bar serving areas get chock-a-block.
 Also, IMHO, to beer is not kept that well, and I've never had a good pint
 there.

I'm going to have to agree with. Never really liked that pub and I
*REALLY* don't like drinking with Medics. And I live with and hang
around with Guy's [0] medics.

In that area though there's Davey's Pot house under the bridge which
serves ale in pewter mugs, port in pitchers, has sawdust on the floors,
no stairs, is quiet and has nice food and also a there's pub in the
market which I can't remember the name of but is quiet nice when it
iusn't heaving.

Simon

[0] Technically Guy's, Kings and St Thomas'. 


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RE: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Thompson


 From: Greg McCarroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Good Beer? 
 Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
 Food that can be ate in bar?
 Lots of seating?
 Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
 Central to ``business'' London?
 
 with this scale, 
 
 Penderels scores  0,0,1,1,0.5,1 = 3.5
 Anchor scores ... 1,1,0,1,0.5,0 = 3.5

There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable
from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot).

Unfortunately I haven't been there for a while, but hopefully it's still as
good as I remember.

And there's and extra point if you can name the SF book it's mentioned in.


Rob


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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:29:19AM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote:
 There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable
 from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot).
 
 [snip]
 
 And there's and extra point if you can name the SF book it's mentioned in.

Well, the Silly Fairy book was _George and the Dragon_.

Where's my fiver? :-)

Paul

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Natalie Ford

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:16:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 Good Beer? 
 Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
 Food that can be ate in bar?
 Lots of seating?
 Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
 Central to ``business'' London?

Can we add accessibility to the list?  The main reason I  haven't been
to many social meets recently is that i would have to climb stairs to
get to you all and then climb down loads of stairs to get to the loo
(e.g. Barrowboy and Banker).  At least the PO I climb down to get to
you all and the loos are on the same level (good)...

Natalie
apologies for any typos - I can't see too well today...



Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Shiels



 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:16:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  Good Beer?
  Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
  Food that can be ate in bar?
  Lots of seating?
  Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
  Central to ``business'' London?

 Can we add accessibility to the list?  The main reason I  haven't been
 to many social meets recently is that i would have to climb stairs to
 get to you all and then climb down loads of stairs to get to the loo
 (e.g. Barrowboy and Banker).  At least the PO I climb down to get to
 you all and the loos are on the same level (good)...

I like PO a lot. Not being a CAMRA member, I'm quite happy to sup Stella or
TVRs or Theakstons, and the food is cheap. My financial advisor works in the
office next door to the PO and I've just coincidentally booked an
appointment with him for 4pm next Thursday :-)

/Robert




Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Simon Wistow

Neil Ford wrote:

 Only one question food?

Yes, AFAIK. Standard pub grub.

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Dean

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:03:54AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  I like PO a lot.

I can agree with this. Central, nice food, holds a lot of people.

Only problem i have with the place is that when we get seated in a corner
anyone who turns up late ends up sitting on another table. Its not a major
problem but its a bit disheartening to people turning up for the first time
when they get sat on the edge of a table away from the crowd.

 but now the summer is coming, aren't you tempted by long nights by
 the river?

Nope. I dislike having chunks bitten out of me.
Then again i shouldn't sit next to Cantrell i suppose ;)

Dean
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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-31 Thread Redvers Davies

   I like PO a lot.
 I can agree with this. Central, nice food, holds a lot of people.

Well, for everyone that likes there is an equal and opersite number of those
who dislike.  I really don't like the PO...  We need somewhere which is
quieter although I can't think of anywhere at the moment.  Actually, while
I think about it there is a pub in Minories which has a private bar that groups
can hire out (paid in pints I'm sure).  They do good food too.

I'll see if I can find a name and find out what the terms could be.  Another
excuse for an away-party ;)

Hmmm...

Red



RE: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM

 Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate
 Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river
 called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at
 home.

pedant
That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the
name.
/pedant

It _is_ a nice pub. Tho' it's distance from tube stations may count against
it.

The other problem that I have with it is that it used to have a tendancy to
keep City Pub hours - i.e. to close at 9pm.

I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to
organise a recce for next month.

Dave...

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Simon Wistow

Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
 pedant
 That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the
 name.
 /pedant


c.f previous mail

The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race
held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea
in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the
coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of
Hannover. The race is now held in July. 

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Simon Wistow

Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
 I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to
 organise a recce for next month.

Tonight? But it's Wednesday the 30th today.

/me gets confused

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM
 
  Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate
  Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river
  called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at
  home.
 
 pedant
 That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the
 name.
 /pedant
 
 It _is_ a nice pub. Tho' it's distance from tube stations may count against
 it.
 
 The other problem that I have with it is that it used to have a tendancy to
 keep City Pub hours - i.e. to close at 9pm.
 
 I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to

whats tonight?

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RE: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:16 AM

 Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to
  organise a recce for next month.
 
 Tonight? But it's Wednesday the 30th today.
 
 /me gets confused

Er... Ok. Confusion reigns.

I think I meant:

I think it's too late to organise anything for next week (June meeting), but
feel free to organise a recce before the following (July) meeting.

Apologies for fuckwittage.

Dave...

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RE: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:15 AM

 Cross David - dcross wrote:
  
  pedant
  That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain
the
  name.
  /pedant
 
 c.f previous mail
 
 The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race
 held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea
 in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the
 coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of
 Hannover. The race is now held in July. 

Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB
LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name.

Btw, the coat is red.

Dave...
[giving up now]

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Cross David - dcross wrote:
  
  I think it's too late to organise anything for tonight, but feel free to
  organise a recce for next month.
 
 Tonight? But it's Wednesday the 30th today.
 

that makes two of us, shurely the next meeting is over a week away,

 /me gets confused
 

i'm glad its not just me
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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 I think it's too late to organise anything for next week (June meeting), but

are we that bad?

 feel free to organise a recce before the following (July) meeting.

especially as the long summer nights are perfect for riverside pubs

 Apologies for fuckwittage.

its ok, its so much easier when you calculate it as the day after
the first wednesday of the month, see, today is wednesday, but not
the the first one of the month, so it cant be any time soon

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RE: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Mark Fowler

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE
 PUB LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name.

Okay. I was sitting on my sofa last night.

The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race
held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea
in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the
coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of
Hannover. The race is now held in July.

Later.

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
 
 Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB
 LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name.
 

Well in that case i qualify .

  The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race
  held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea
  in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the
  coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of
  Hannover. The race is now held in July.  Btw, the coat is red.


now where is my pint?

 Dave...
 [giving up now]
 

bah, and the week has hardly started




Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:15 AM

  Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
   pedant
   That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain
 the
   name.
   /pedant
 
  c.f previous mail
 
  The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race
  held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea
  in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the
  coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of
  Hannover. The race is now held in July.

 Maybe I should have said a pint to the first person WHO WASN'T IN THE PUB
 LAST NIGHT LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY to explain the name.

 Btw, the coat is red.

Doggett's Coat and Badge

one of the world's oldest continuing rowing races, held annually in England
along the River Thames from London Bridge to Chelsea, a distance of 4 miles
5 furlongs (7.4 km). The race is a sculling contest between skiffs
originally used to ferry passengers across the river. The boats are manned
by watermen who have recently completed their apprenticeship. The contest
was instituted in 1715 by Thomas Doggett, an English comic actor, to
commemorate the accession of George I in 1714. Doggett provided for a cash
prize and an Orange coloured Livery with a Badge representing Liberty to
be awarded to the winner. Although the colour of the uniform has changed
from orange to red and the cash prize is no longer awarded, Doggett's decree
continues to be fulfilled.

This internet thing is quite interesting really once you get the hang of it.
Do I get half a pint for knowing the coat was originally orange?

Barbie.





Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Btw, the coat is red.

And for anyone bored enough, the coat looks like this:

http://home.planet.nl/~pdavis/Doggett.htm

Barbie.





Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:00:05AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate
 Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river
 called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at
 home.
 
 Nice beer (Speckled Hen, IPA, Pride), quiet, by the river, tasteful
 decor, few stairs, mercifully Barley free. Named after the oldest rowing
 race in the world (or vice versa) which started in 1721 and is still
 raced today.
 
Only one question food?

Neil.
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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

2001-05-30 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:00:05AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
  Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate
  Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river
  called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at
  home.
  
  Nice beer (Speckled Hen, IPA, Pride), quiet, by the river, tasteful
  decor, few stairs, mercifully Barley free. Named after the oldest rowing
  race in the world (or vice versa) which started in 1721 and is still
  raced today.
  
 Only one question food?
 

this is going to be a stickler, its a case of we can't yet find the perfect
pub for everyone. so from now on i recommend the following measuring system, 
one point for each Y/N category, half a point if its uncertain 

Good Beer? 
Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)?
Food that can be ate in bar?
Lots of seating?
Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)?
Central to ``business'' London?

with this scale, 

Penderels scores  0,0,1,1,0.5,1 = 3.5
Anchor scores ... 1,1,0,1,0.5,0 = 3.5

which seems fair to me, what we need to do is find somewhere with a higher
score, so that all parties are happy, sound good?

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