Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-30 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:50PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Long dark hair, ankhs and beer - the Egyptions were the original goths. Hmmph. Goths wouldn't know good beer if it grabbed them by the goolies and swung them round over its head

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-29 Thread Chris Ball
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:03:46AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: OK, so I was just being nosy - as opposed to being in the position of offering a job - and noticed Alex is: a) younger than me (makes a change!), and b) went to UMIST. Hmmm, would it be bad form to reminisce about all things

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Chris Ball wrote: [ I sent this earlier on, but it doesn't seem to have gone through - I'm trying again using the address I subscribed with, but I'm sure I've used a non-subscription address before. Are postings subscriber only ..? ] Yes. postings are subscriber

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Alex Page wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:47:47PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic What is this off-topic you speak of? Is it a custom of your

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Yeah. I think I should cop more praise for being such a sweet, lovely forgiving moderator :) hey you'd get drinks for it, if you ever turned up that is ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-28 Thread David H. Adler
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 06:53:14AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, you wrote: What is this off-topic you speak of? Is it a custom of your people? Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called goats-fans, for fans of Goats: the Comic Strip (http://www.goats.com - NOW!),

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:33:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: actually .. nutscrape under Linux annoys me when it insists on looking up a hostname no matter how hard you click on the stop button .. bad threading. Excellent reason to use a proxy. Junkbuster's good... Roger

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Robin Szemeti wrote: now I am absolutely totally 100% certain that some web browser (and thats all it is) should *not* mess around with the way I view folders. I think that was a turning point for me and my judgement is probably clouded and No, no, no, that's _not_ all it is. IE is a

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, you wrote: Well, if you're daft enough to install Turdpoke you deserve all you get. In my defence your Honour, this relates to the BL[1] period of my life and I am now a reformed character. I have worshipped at The Shrine Of The Penguin for many moons now, broken bread

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:41:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: [ and don't even ask me about the time Demon distributed some pox ridden disk with IE4.1 on it ..'err I just installed the latest version of Turnpike and seem to have inherited IE4 .. how do I get rid of it as its screwed my

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 09:23:16AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Robin Szemeti wrote: now I am absolutely totally 100% certain that some web browser (and thats all it is) should *not* mess around with the way I view folders. I think that was a turning point for me and my judgement is

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, you wrote: Ho ho, you should have heard the stick that support got from that little prank. Have you been sent a green CD, sir? We'd better send you an orange one to recover your system... It went on for *weeks*. umm .. I went for the 'format from the ground up'

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:21:35AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:33:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: actually .. nutscrape under Linux annoys me when it insists on looking up a hostname no matter how hard you click on the stop button .. bad threading. Excellent

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Alex Page wrote: Yeah, I was redoing my CV the other day (it's at http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire/cv.html if you want to employ me...) OK, so I was just being nosy - as opposed to being in the position of offering a job - and noticed Alex is: a) younger than me (makes a

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Rob Partington
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm, would it be bad form to reminisce about all things Manc on a London.pm list?! Given the number of people I've seen from Manchester Uni at the technical meetings, probably not... --

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Barbie
From: Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 27/4/01 11:08 am, Rob Partington wrote: about all things Manc on a London.pm list?! Given the number of people I've seen from Manchester Uni at the technical meetings, probably not... Y'see I was a Salford problem kid... I always knew

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Chris Ball
[ I sent this earlier on, but it doesn't seem to have gone through - I'm trying again using the address I subscribed with, but I'm sure I've used a non-subscription address before. Are postings subscriber only ..? ] On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:03:46AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: OK, so I

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Martin Ling
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 10:11:40AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Ho ho, you should have heard the stick that support got from that little prank. Have you been sent a green CD, sir? We'd better send you an orange one to recover your system... It went on for *weeks*. I take it this

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 10:11:40AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Ho ho, you should have heard the stick that support got from that little prank. Have you been sent a green CD, sir? We'd better send you an orange one to recover your system... It went

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:59:53PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 10:11:40AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Ho ho, you should have heard the stick that support got from that little prank. Have you been sent a green CD, sir? We'd

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Philip Newton
Chris Ball wrote: Are postings subscriber only ..? ] As far as I know, yes; Jonathan Stowe has to hand-approve non-subscriber postings for them to make it to the list. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Philip Newton wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Are postings subscriber only ..? ] Subscriber not even, more like. I bet this email never makes it to the list for a start. I blame majordomo, when's that mailman thing getting here? Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:30:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Philip Newton wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Are postings subscriber only ..? ] Subscriber not even, more like. I bet this email never makes it to the list for a start. I blame majordomo, when's that mailman thing getting

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Philip Newton
Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:30:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I blame majordomo, when's that mailman thing getting here? Well, it is based on Python, which might cause a few stirrings around here... You think the Perl community is proud of the majordomo code?

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:03:46AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Hmmm, would it be bad form to reminisce about all things Manc on a London.pm list?! Given that I didn't learn perl until after I graduated, and Buffy isn't Manc-specific, then probably :-) Hazy tales of drunken nights in Jilly's

Re: Good Accountants (?)

2001-04-27 Thread will
- Original Message - From: Alex Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Good Accountants Hazy tales of drunken nights in Jilly's drinking too much snakebite and falling over while trying to dance to the Sisters of Mercy probably

Re: Good Accountants (?)

2001-04-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Hazy tales of drunken nights in Jilly's drinking too much snakebite and falling over while trying to dance to the Sisters of Mercy probably won't interest most of london.pm How can you fall over doing one step forward one step backward with your arms out for balance? Or was it the one

Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, will wrote: Alex page wrote: Hazy tales of drunken nights in Jilly's drinking too much snakebite and falling over while trying to dance to the Sisters of Mercy probably won't interest most of london.pm Cheap bottles of calsberg and rage against the machine...

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:50PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: On topic - how come all the decent jobs are dahn sarf? Dunno. A lot of my coursemates ended up working for a Manchester-based IT company (Lantara?) doing network admin and web coding, but the pay wasn't great and I'd had a better

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Slimelight: Been a member for the last 3 or 4 years. The club venue is good, the music on the downstairs floor is OK, and the top venue is hard tecnho crap. I basically go there to see my friends rather than for any other reason. Going there tomorrow, actually - I'll be the one in black *g*

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Barbie wrote: I always knew Manchester was the centre of the Universe. Ahem. I suggest you go look at the entry for NY.pm at http://www.pm.org/groups/north_america.shtml :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:30:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I blame majordomo, when's that mailman thing getting here? Actually that's my fault I said I'd look into it about a year ago (or so it feels). I'll do it this weekend. As to whether penderel gets used for this mailing list is

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, but only testing it on one browser, ignoring the - what, 30%? - that don't use IE - that's kinda silly. On a random band's site that number is more like, per hits: 3959719 IE 662895 Netscape 10 the rest It's a pity, but it's life. (And

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:33:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: well .. it *does* handle them .. but ,,, errr .. sort of non cascading IYSWIM ... No it doesn't. It has almost no clue about stylesheets at all. Have you ever developed a CSS site for

Re: Good Accountants (?)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:15PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: How can you fall over doing one step forward one step backward with your arms out for balance? Or was it the one where you hold you arms over your head in an impression of someone trying to get out of a too-tight jumper in

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:55:06PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Blimey, there's an Oxford perl mongers! You mean I'm not the only perl coder in this city?!? No. -- I find that anthropomorphism really doesn't help me with a place full of bugs. -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-06

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:00:40PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:55:06PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Blimey, there's an Oxford perl mongers! You mean I'm not the only perl coder in this city?!? No. By which I mean, yes, you're not. And, of course, we've got Malcolm

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:50PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Long dark hair, ankhs and beer - the Egyptions were the original goths. Hmmph. Goths wouldn't know good beer if it grabbed them by the goolies and swung them round over its head whilst shouting I'm good beer, I'm good beer, and

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:26:04PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Barbie wrote: I always knew Manchester was the centre of the Universe. Ahem. I suggest you go look at the entry for NY.pm at http://www.pm.org/groups/north_america.shtml :-) Yes

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:22:50PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I thought it closed down, actually. Is it still bring your own booze? Do they still have a silly entrance exam? Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic, especially while Dave the Goth is on sabbatical, so...

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic What is this off-topic you speak of? Is it a custom of your people? :-) -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ My theory is that his ignorance

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:47:47PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic What is this off-topic you speak of? Is it a custom of your people? Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called

Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, you wrote: What is this off-topic you speak of? Is it a custom of your people? Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called goats-fans, for fans of Goats: the Comic Strip (http://www.goats.com - NOW!), and flaming and off-topic posting leads to the moderators kicking your

Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Gareth Harper
Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited to much larger companies. Thanks Gareth Harper

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robert Shiels
Subject: Good Accountants Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited to much larger companies. Thanks Gareth Harper

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti
- Original Message - From: Gareth Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 April 2001 09:09 Subject: Good Accountants Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Greg Cope
:09 Subject: Good Accountants Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited to much larger companies

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account? Oxymoron. I went with Barclays because they gave 12 months free banking and could group the online banking with my personal accounts. -- Dave Hodgkinson,

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robert Shiels
From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote: recommended Menzies (www.menzies.co.uk) to me, and I went to see On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account? Flemings Premier Banking 01708 713317 basically free for contractors (up to 20

Online Banking (was: Re: Good Accountants)

2001-04-26 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:49:34AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: I went with Barclays because they gave 12 months free banking and could group the online banking with my personal accounts. On a side issue, do you know of any online banks that allow personal accounts to download historical

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote: Flemings Premier Banking 01708 713317 basically free for contractors (up to 20 cheques a month) and pay interest. I got several hundred quid in intrest last year. Telephone service and all that stuff. most impressed .. and I do have other business

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: http://www.flemingbank.com/ crap website, but I think it sums em up. Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash screen with no links on it whatsoever. If that sums them up, then I

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:39:45AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: Flemings Premier Banking 01708 713317 God help you if you put your company into dormancy however. Then they get really arsey since you're not depositing huge amounts of cash into it any more. They unilaterally decided to close my

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 06:52:59PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: http://www.flemingbank.com/ crap website, but I think it sums em up. Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash screen with no links on it whatsoever.

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 07:13:50PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: http://www.flemingbank.com/ crap website, but I think it sums em up. Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:02:48PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Yeah, but only testing it on one browser, ignoring the - what, 30%? - that don't use IE - that's kinda silly. And unprofessional. Sure, the bank Anything that displays in IE will display fine in Opera. Mozilla is OK. Netscape

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote: Anything that displays in IE will display fine in Opera. Mozilla is OK. Netscape 4.x deserves to have sites intentionally break it (ooh, tricky, miss a closing table tag!) because it is shit must die. depends dunnit ... on the one hand i _almost_ like IE as

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: depends dunnit ... Not really, Netscape 4.x sucks. No two ways about it. and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7 OTOH its so far from being You mean it

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Chris Devers
At 10:04 PM 2001.04.26 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: What would be nice would be a nutscrape-alike that put colored blobs or somesuch where errors were.. with hyperlinks to details of the error ... ;) Starting point: Using CSS as a Diagnostic Tool

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:20:35PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: But, how is it non compliant? And when was 75MB of diskspace an issue? That's about 20p. Where do you get sensible disk (including backup) that cheap? We'd all like to know...

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:20:35PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: But, how is it non compliant? And when was 75MB of diskspace an issue? That's about 20p. Where do you get sensible disk (including

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:33:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: well .. it *does* handle them .. but ,,, errr .. sort of non cascading IYSWIM ... No it doesn't. It has almost no clue about stylesheets at all. Have you ever developed a CSS site for Netscape? And got it to work in anything like a

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Alex Page
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: on the one hand i _almost_ like IE as it displays images as they load and doesn't wait unitl it has em all b4 showing you the page (unless width and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it handles tables and

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: http://www.flemingbank.com/ crap website, but I think it sums em up. Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash screen with no links on it whatsoever. If that sums them up, then I want nothing to do with such manifest

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: depends dunnit ... Not really, Netscape 4.x sucks. No two ways about it. and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7 OTOH