Re: Holy War

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote:

  Mandrake 7.2.
 
 All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and
 when you run printtool the cdrom ejects.

I've been running Mandrake for a while (2 years?) now .. and it seems
fine, its Dedrat  really with the KDE desktop and a things added by the
French .. but it generally installs straight out of the tin, has a choice
of security settings for the paranoid etc. 

I never did find out what caused the pesky security checks to run at
midnight when I was always trying to use the damm thing ... so got rid of
the script and run tripwire from crontab once a day at a more useful
hour.

'part from that its just fine.   

I run Dedrat 7.0 on my server at mailbox and having turned off all the
dangeroos stuff and set up the IPCHAINS and put SSH on it its been
totally reliable and unhacked. 

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Neil Ford

When I got home last night there were two big boxes from Dell waiting
in the middle of the lounge. This is my new 1400 Mhz Pentium IV,
256 Mb Turbo Bastard Nutter machine.

One of the (many) advantages of having a new box is that I'll be able
to do a completely fresh Linux install for the first time for many
years. My current box has been upgraded thru every version of Red Hat
since (I think) 4.1 to its current 7.0.

I could, of course, take the easy route and whack RH7 on it, but this
may be my best chance for some years to _easily_ switch distros.

So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. Bear in mind that
the existing box will currently become a firewall/proxy box so I'll
do all the paranoid security stuff on there.

Go for it. Give it your best shot.

Let battle commence.

Dave...

Well following recent discussions brought about by Jo's laptop 
purchase, I'd say the favour list goes something like this;

Debian
Slackware / SuSE
a deadrat derivitive (if you must)

No-one ever seems to mention TurboLinux or any of the minor distributions.

Of course I would strongly suggest investigating a BSD :-)

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:33:57 +, Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:29:18AM -0500, Dave Cross typed:
 
 So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use.
 
 What are you planning to do on the box?

It'll be purely for home use, so:

* Hacking perl
* Prototyping web sites
* Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot
* Write
* Surf the web
* Read mail
* Play the occasional game
* Listen to MPs
* Burn CDs

Sort of stuff we all do.

Dave...



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Go for it. Give it your best shot. 

Mandrake 7.2.

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Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:39:47AM -0500, Dave Cross typed:

It'll be purely for home use, so:

I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff
aren't usually available as packages. Upside: doesn't mess you about
the way the Windowsy distributions (RH, SuSE) do.

R



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:29:18AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
 So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. Bear in mind that
 the existing box will currently become a firewall/proxy box so I'll 
 do all the paranoid security stuff on there.
 Go for it. Give it your best shot. 
 Let battle commence.

Debian.

Or, if you want uber-paranoia, OpenBSD.

Michael



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Richard Clamp

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:44:42PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
 I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff
 aren't usually available as packages.

Untrue, if you're following the testing/unstable branch and have sufficient
bandwidth that is.


-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:02:01PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
 On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:58:41PM +, Richard Clamp typed:
 On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:44:42PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
  I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff
  aren't usually available as packages.
 Untrue, if you're following the testing/unstable branch and have sufficient
 bandwidth that is.
 Depends on what you mean by "latest". Give it a week or two to get into
 unstable, a few more to get into testing - fair enough?
 Not what I'd use for CPAN modules, for example.

And, of course, there's the obvious downside of following the unstable
branch of anything...

Michael



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Redvers Davies

What I do:

For a workstation, Mandrake.
For a server, Slackware.

Once you've done the install forget that rpm existed and do everything
from source.

Red




Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Redvers Davies

 All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and
 when you run printtool the cdrom ejects.

You couldn't do an strace on that so we see what causes that could you?
I would have thought a hardware conflict would be the most likely cause
there...

Red



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Struan Donald

* at 19/01 16:12 + Redvers Davies said:
  All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and
  when you run printtool the cdrom ejects.
 
 You couldn't do an strace on that so we see what causes that could you?
 I would have thought a hardware conflict would be the most likely cause
 there...

i'm not if the box still exists. i could have a look and see though...

struan



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * at 19/01 14:44 + Dave Hodgkinson said:
  
  Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   Go for it. Give it your best shot. 
  
  Mandrake 7.2.
 
 All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and
 when you run printtool the cdrom ejects.

Nothing wrong with committing random acts of weirdness


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  -



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton

Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*
*So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. Bear in mind that
*the existing box will currently become a firewall/proxy box so I'll 
*do all the paranoid security stuff on there.
*
*Go for it. Give it your best shot. 
*
*Let battle commence.

OpenBSD is the best choice for a firewall box. It's fast, small, secure
and runs ona  myriad of platforms. I use it at home for my firewall and
have started sneaking it in at work. It's tag line is 'secure by default'
and from a base installation you won't get the same from most, if not all,
linux distros.

This is my opinion and I'm not terribly interested in a holy war. 

http://www.openbsd.org/

e.



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

 Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz will do
 that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification for getting
 such a monster machine Dave?
 

Some people buy Ferraris.

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |   
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one 
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:33:40 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   What are you planning to do on the box?
 
  It'll be purely for home use, so:
 
  * Hacking perl
  * Prototyping web sites
  * Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot
  * Write
  * Surf the web
  * Read mail
  * Play the occasional game
  * Listen to MPs
  * Burn CDs
 
 Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz 
 will do that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification 
 for getting such a monster machine Dave?

Heh! Dell's January sale prices were so good that it would have been
rude not too :)

Seriously, my current machine is a PentiumPro 200 Mhz and that's 
getting so frustrating that I knew I needed a new machine and I 
always buy the fastest I can so it will last as long as possible.

Dave...



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Struan Donald

* at 19/01 16:33 - Robert Shiels said:
  
   What are you planning to do on the box?
 
  It'll be purely for home use, so:
 
  * Hacking perl
  * Prototyping web sites
  * Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot
  * Write
  * Surf the web
  * Read mail
  * Play the occasional game
  * Listen to MPs
  * Burn CDs
 
 Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz will do
 that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification for getting
 such a monster machine Dave?

that geek tendancy to get a farcially over powered machine 'cause they
can?

struan



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Robert Shiels

 At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:33:40 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
   
What are you planning to do on the box?
  
   It'll be purely for home use, so:
  
   * Hacking perl
   * Prototyping web sites
   * Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot
   * Write
   * Surf the web
   * Read mail
   * Play the occasional game
   * Listen to MPs
   * Burn CDs
  
  Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz
  will do that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification
  for getting such a monster machine Dave?

 Seriously, my current machine is a PentiumPro 200 Mhz and that's
 getting so frustrating that I knew I needed a new machine and I
 always buy the fastest I can so it will last as long as possible.

I'm just annoyed in that I quite recently bought a PIII866 with 256MbRAM
[1], and I'm way behind in the game already g

/Robert

[1]upgraded my P166MMX 64MB RAM




Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Redvers Davies

 Seriously, my current machine is a PentiumPro 200 Mhz and that's 
 getting so frustrating that I knew I needed a new machine and I 
 always buy the fastest I can so it will last as long as possible.

Was it a self-congratulations pressie for the publication of your book.



Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Paul Makepeace

From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 And, of course, there's the obvious downside of following the unstable
 branch of anything...

Except with Debian in my four years of using unstable I haven't had a single
(serious) problem. The times when they've occasionally messed up dependencies
I've simply left it 24hrs and tried again and someone's fixed it. Many, many
eyeballs :-)

I would, and do, use unstable for production boxes, although I also have a
non-production box I run update/dist-upgrade first on.

Paul