Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:44:11AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs? Still open? I think I might have someone for you. -- If you give a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:44:11AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs? Still open? I think I might have someone for you. I was fishing on behalf of a client who may well need a perl linux person in the

Re: JOB: Eng. Proj Management

2001-06-11 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 00:23 09/06/01 +0100, you wrote: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is looking for technical project managers for new web company. Let me know if interested... Hmm... I wonder if I could morph... Come over to the

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-11 Thread Philip Newton
Piers Cawley wrote: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. 4XL, innit? (Remembering you at yapc::Europe:19100 at the T-shirt stand, wondering whether even to bother looking at them.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-11 Thread Piers Cawley
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley wrote: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. 4XL, innit? (Remembering you at yapc::Europe:19100 at the T-shirt stand, wondering whether even to bother looking at them.) 4XL Tall acksherly. -- Piers Cawley

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-09 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. Big boned. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms,

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-09 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. Big boned. Nope. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-09 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:56:20AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. Big boned. Nope. BBH, Big Beautiful Hacker? Paul -- Abandon normal instruments

JOB: Eng. Proj Management

2001-06-08 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Hi, A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is looking for technical project managers for new web company. Let me know if interested... -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: JOB: Eng. Proj Management

2001-06-08 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 08 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Hi, A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is looking for technical project managers for new web company. Let me know if interested... new web company .. wow .. now theres a phrase you don;t here very often these days

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-08 Thread Piers Cawley
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:46:39AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I presume that this is a permie thing? Yes. And I'd estimate that _most_ of you I know would be, um, a bit too heavyweight for

Re: JOB: Eng. Proj Management

2001-06-08 Thread Piers Cawley
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is looking for technical project managers for new web company. Let me know if interested... Hmm... I wonder if I could morph... Bet that's a permie thing isn't it? -- Piers Cawley

[Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-07 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
I'm doing some work for a .com type company in the travel sector. They have a network support blokey and a Windozey programmer type, but since their live system is apache and linux they have a slight hole in their skillset. Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs? Nice offices in W2

Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-07 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I presume that this is a permie thing? Yes. And I'd estimate that _most_ of you I know would be, um, a bit too heavyweight for them... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

[JOB] short modperl, long systems at LSE (fwd)

2001-06-06 Thread jo walsh
friend at LSE needing 5 days of mod_perl XML freelancing, said i'd pass this along, didnt actually wait for response, but hey. oh gosh, i should finish the london jobs database. and put the new disk in penderel, which it was too sunny to do during the tech meet. early next week i guess :/ soz

JOB: There's one going here!!!

2001-05-15 Thread Leo Lapworth
software development is done in-house, using tools including mod_perl, mason and postgres in a linux environment. Job Description: Web Developer == Software Development Duties Involvement in projects such as: - Advanced search facility

JOB

2001-04-25 Thread Nick Barton
Hi everyone, I don't know it is polite to use this as a channel to get work but needs must. My (own) company is going thru' a lean time and we need temporary/contract/fixed price work, preferable performed at my office here in Bath. I've several years PERL/mod_perl/Apache skills and 20 years

JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross
I got this from someone called Raphael Mankin [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I don't really know how he fits into the picture :( Perl progger required to work in Golders Green. Permanent/contract as you will. Tasks: 1. To nursemaid a new, Mason based, web app through its initial period 2. To maintain

Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:22AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Rate ca. ?22k or equivalent for contract Is that really the going rate for Perl proggers in London? Doesn't seem like much (for reasonable definitions of "progger" :-). Paul

JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross
This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Note: It's MSB, so normal caveats apply. Dave... = Dave, The following is a full spec, Please distribute as widely as possible as I am very keen to find the right candidate. Spec : Opportunity has

Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Leo Lapworth
I'm glad to say I am now employed *cheer*. Was a rather nice birthday present to get today. Anyway, probably see you folks tonight. Leo

Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:01:10PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: I'm glad to say I am now employed *cheer*. Was a rather nice birthday present to get today. "Congratulations" x 2! Leo Funny name for an Aries :-) Oh well, fire sign all the same. Paul, 10th Apr.

Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread jo walsh
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs? i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a little while... will talk about it a bit

RE: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:05 PM On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs? We're creating a london.pm jobs database. Jo

Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Mison
respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a lot. Of course, if anyone is doing this they'll be missing this thread too... -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be

Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:38:44PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a lot. Ah, bingo. Thanks

Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, jo walsh wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs? i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for

RE: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Matthew Jones
How can you inadvertently hack ? "I'll just quickly knock a little something together to do task X ... hmmm, actually, wouldn't it be cool if it could also do task Y, just for convenience sake ... hmm, that works, but I'm sure it could work stronger/faster/better than before ... " And so on

Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread jo walsh
i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a little while... How can you inadvertently hack ? at a scattiness load as consistently high as mine has been lately, it's hard to do many things advertently consider yourself warned :) z

Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract Borrocks /J\

RE: JOB: Anyone interested

2001-04-18 Thread Jonathan Peterson
FYI this particular role wasn't available; they tried to put me up for some other things but didn't even get as far as interviews. Roger (now working elsewhere) Curious. Identical to my experiences with them. Jon (soon to be working elsewhere)

Re: JOB: Anyone interested

2001-04-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:11:47AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Warning - MSB used to have the reputation of being the biggest bunch of cowboys in the recruitment industry. I wouldn't normally pass this on but thought it might be of interest to some of the ex-Torrington people. FYI this particular

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. I'd say that's marketing and not something built-in. You want client-side Perl, you

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Simon Wistow
Robin Szemeti wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all that. The theory driving test in this country was doen by getting

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. But things like

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Chris Benson
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. Bzzzt! Lynx doesn't

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or 20

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: But things like Avantgo - which are getting more and more users all the time - have pretty much the same capabilities as a text-only browser. From a display point of view, yes, but they certainly have the capability to run a JVM

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: is it? ... sure you don't mean 'the database used by most large corporates for e-commerce' ? I know nothing about the spread of spend between the large coprporations and the small 5 dollar outfits .. but theres a hell of a lot of

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner. alex ps i only mention learning tree

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the underlying table type is implemented using Berkeley DB3, which does support transactions. And that has

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for e-commerce, plain and simple. gartuitous snippage no .. it _does_ have its strong points .. I wouldn't

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:55:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination? Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing the point? Certified

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't really see the point in this. i think it should sound like a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the underlying table type is implemented

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Fowler
. Speaking as someone who has recently spent a while vetting CVs for people for a job, it's hell. For a experienced perl programmer it's easier for me to tell if you've had the experience by what jobs you've done before. For a mid range programmer (who may have only worked at one company before) it's

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a i think this will end up a slow process very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: that's not the point. if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs: Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT [preparation for PCSE exam] with a nice logo

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
James Powell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed i had thought about a 20 quid fee to be sent to YAS to help you pass, which culminate in taking

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? alex On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: I think a lot of this will be about signing

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
what robert describes or what i describe? * alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? alex On

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:08:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at it today. Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after the Cc: so I get a line that says Cc: X-Mailer: foo which my mail client (PINE) wants to reply

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Well as a fairly independent person in this matter, i will volunteer to coordinate this. Unless there are any objections - i already TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in different styles. How can you evaluate this? I don't think it's a huge problem. For a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing act of: * being

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes, establish the odd DBI

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmm... Given that big business seems to have bought some of the ideas of 'Just In Time' stock holding and delivery type stuff, maybe the time has come to start pushing Perl and open source programming as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing),

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. i think it was me that suggested this i think you need a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross
At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going strong. And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in London. Don't expect that to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Greg Cope wrote: I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor, although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to develope in, and had faster execuion

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Makepeace wrote: Can you trivially embed a perl network application in a browser? [snip] Java's favour is not *entirely* due to massive marketing pimpery. Java support in browsers didn't magically come because Microsoft and Netscape said "Hey, let's develop a Java plug-in for our

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I *think* IE3 also did Java, about

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote: * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a i think this will end up a slow process umm .. so long as you have

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the first COMMIT? This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is called "two-phase commit". See

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish... He heh Look what they say I got : Total Tests Completed 41233 Your Rank (1 = top) 40653 Your Percentile (99 = top): 1 Ah -

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
Philip Newton wrote: Greg Cope wrote: I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor, although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to develope

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo forum/organisation does this) Somehow I

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread pmh
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at it today. Actually, that message was OK. Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) It would be nice to get his backing, but I think that to do that we

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) It would be nice

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No partial failure allowed, it has to either succeed completely or fail completely. Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. And I'd bemused as to how Java

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Chris Devers
At 04:42 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote: O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)' etc .. Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :) "Gary Numan's guide to the PCSE"... ;) -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton 4.46 Maurice Buxton Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well. Me four. Although they seem to have lost my score. I have a nice shiny certificate though ... Nick say's he

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed i had thought about a 20 quid

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification. -- "You can have my

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:00:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton 4.46 Maurice Buxton Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well. Me four. Although they seem to have lost

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to afford and

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote: easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: I think java is likely to be associated with a load of spectacular failures. To be fair, most of these won't be Java's fault. It's just that Java is No, they'll be the vendor JVM's fault. :) the first

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a solution for things it clearly isn't right for. out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for inappropriate problem sapces)? -- Greg McCarroll

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:16:07PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I'd also add that Java, to my eyes, seems dreadfully uncooperative. Is it really as hard as it seems to get a non Java program to talk to j2ee stuff? Or is it all just part of the Java marketing? Is it me or is COM actually

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a solution for things it clearly isn't right for. out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. Sounds

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Piers Cawley
"Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The recent .com crash has had many desirable effects as well as undesirable ones, and one of these is the devaluation in hype in .com related technologies. An awful lot of the value of the big packages is based on future value - "You don't need

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Philip Newton
Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Discuss. s/fuck|tits|arse//; Nonono. You want reusable components so you don't end up reinventing the wheel, badly. use Regexp::Common 'clean'; # don't muck with my $, s/$RE{profanity}//g;

JOB: non-london

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
I happen to know of a nice perl / linux admin gig in the midlands if anyone wants it ... mail me offlist if you would be so kind. -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex
i'm not sure this does cut both ways - if what you are saying is correct - then java's dominance becomes even more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. i don't think it's the corporates themselves who are making all the noise about java - it's an aggressive sun PR department which is latching on to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dean S Wilson
Original Message- From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. Ahh come on! We need more

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I do without regexes

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I quote from the MediaSurface brochure on my desk: "The Content Server is written in Perl, the de facto standard language for server-side applications on the World Wide Web." It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages interaction with its product, where does it go

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote: I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref open source) Java regex libs ? OROMatcher. http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans: http://www.cacas.org/~wes/java/ Both

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