On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:44:11AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs?
Still open? I think I might have someone for you.
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he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:44:11AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs?
Still open? I think I might have someone for you.
I was fishing on behalf of a client who may well need a perl linux
person in the
At 00:23 09/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is
looking for technical project managers for new web company. Let me
know if interested...
Hmm... I wonder if I could morph...
Come over to the
Piers Cawley wrote:
I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat.
4XL, innit? (Remembering you at yapc::Europe:19100 at the T-shirt stand,
wondering whether even to bother looking at them.)
Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers Cawley wrote:
I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat.
4XL, innit? (Remembering you at yapc::Europe:19100 at the T-shirt stand,
wondering whether even to bother looking at them.)
4XL Tall acksherly.
--
Piers Cawley
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat.
Big boned.
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com
Interim CTO, web server farms,
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat.
Big boned.
Nope.
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Piers Cawley
www.iterative-software.com
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:56:20AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat.
Big boned.
Nope.
BBH, Big Beautiful Hacker?
Paul
--
Abandon normal instruments
Hi,
A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is looking for
technical project managers for new web company. Let me know if
interested...
--
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 08 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Hi,
A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is looking for
technical project managers for new web company. Let me know if
interested...
new web company .. wow .. now theres a phrase you don;t here very often
these days
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:46:39AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I presume that this is a permie thing?
Yes. And I'd estimate that _most_ of you I know would be, um, a bit
too heavyweight for
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A reasonably reliable headhunter I've dealt with in the past is
looking for technical project managers for new web company. Let me
know if interested...
Hmm... I wonder if I could morph... Bet that's a permie thing isn't it?
--
Piers Cawley
I'm doing some work for a .com type company in the travel sector. They
have a network support blokey and a Windozey programmer type, but
since their live system is apache and linux they have a slight hole in
their skillset.
Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs?
Nice offices in W2
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I presume that this is a permie thing?
Yes. And I'd estimate that _most_ of you I know would be, um, a bit
too heavyweight for them...
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Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star
friend at LSE needing 5 days of mod_perl XML freelancing, said i'd pass
this along, didnt actually wait for response, but hey.
oh gosh, i should finish the london jobs database. and put the new disk in
penderel, which it was too sunny to do during the tech meet. early next
week i guess :/ soz
software development is
done in-house, using tools including mod_perl, mason and postgres in a linux
environment.
Job Description: Web Developer
==
Software Development Duties
Involvement in projects such as:
- Advanced search facility
Hi everyone,
I don't know it is polite to use this as a channel to get work but needs
must.
My (own) company is going thru' a lean time and we need
temporary/contract/fixed price work, preferable performed at my office here
in Bath. I've several years PERL/mod_perl/Apache skills and 20 years
I got this from someone called Raphael Mankin
[EMAIL PROTECTED], but I don't really know how he fits into
the picture :(
Perl progger required to work in Golders Green. Permanent/contract as you
will.
Tasks:
1. To nursemaid a new, Mason based, web app through its initial period
2. To maintain
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:22AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Rate ca. ?22k or equivalent for contract
Is that really the going rate for Perl proggers in London? Doesn't seem
like much (for reasonable definitions of "progger" :-).
Paul
This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
Note: It's MSB, so normal caveats apply.
Dave...
=
Dave,
The following is a full spec, Please distribute as widely as possible as I
am very keen to find the right candidate.
Spec :
Opportunity has
I'm glad to say I am now employed *cheer*.
Was a rather nice birthday present to get today.
Anyway, probably see you folks tonight.
Leo
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:01:10PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote:
I'm glad to say I am now employed *cheer*.
Was a rather nice birthday present to get today.
"Congratulations" x 2!
Leo
Funny name for an Aries :-) Oh well, fire sign all the same.
Paul, 10th Apr.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?
i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a
little while... will talk about it a bit
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:05 PM
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?
We're creating a london.pm jobs database. Jo
respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys
you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a
lot.
Of course, if anyone is doing this they'll be missing this thread too...
--
:: paul
:: how fickle fate can be
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:38:44PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well
respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys
you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a
lot.
Ah, bingo. Thanks
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, jo walsh wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?
i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for
How can you inadvertently hack ?
"I'll just quickly knock a little something together to do task X ... hmmm,
actually, wouldn't it be cool if it could also do task Y, just for
convenience sake ... hmm, that works, but I'm sure it could work
stronger/faster/better than before ... "
And so on
i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a
little while...
How can you inadvertently hack ?
at a scattiness load as consistently high as mine has been lately, it's
hard to do many things advertently
consider yourself warned :)
z
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract
Borrocks
/J\
FYI this particular role wasn't available; they tried to put me up for
some other things but didn't even get as far as interviews.
Roger (now working elsewhere)
Curious. Identical to my experiences with them.
Jon (soon to be working elsewhere)
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:11:47AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
Warning - MSB used to have the reputation of being the biggest bunch of
cowboys in the recruitment industry. I wouldn't normally pass this on
but thought it might be of interest to some of the ex-Torrington people.
FYI this particular
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
I'd say that's marketing and not something built-in. You want client-side
Perl, you
Robin Szemeti wrote:
IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all that.
The theory driving test in this country was doen by getting
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
But things like
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
a certification exam, and they offer courses that are
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
Bzzzt! Lynx doesn't
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for
everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some
such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course
that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or 20
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
But things like Avantgo - which are getting more and more users all the
time - have pretty much the same capabilities as a text-only browser.
From a display point of view, yes, but they certainly have the
capability to run a JVM
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
is it? ... sure you don't mean 'the database used by most large
corporates for e-commerce' ? I know nothing about the spread of spend
between the large coprporations and the small 5 dollar outfits .. but
theres a hell of a lot of
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
standards) this might be a big winner.
alex
ps i only mention learning tree
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
standards) this might be a big winner.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
different types of table for some reason.
It's because the underlying table type is implemented using Berkeley
DB3, which does support transactions. And that has
Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for
e-commerce, plain and simple.
gartuitous snippage
no .. it _does_ have its strong points .. I wouldn't
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:55:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination?
Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing
the point?
Certified
depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want
to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop
you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't
really see the point in this.
i think it should sound like a
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be
without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up
with someone like learning tree (eg they
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree
from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning
tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it
would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
different types of table for some reason.
It's because the underlying table type is implemented
. Speaking as someone who has recently spent a while vetting
CVs for people for a job, it's hell. For a experienced perl programmer
it's easier for me to tell if you've had the experience by what jobs you've
done before. For a mid range programmer (who may have only worked at one
company before) it's
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
i think this will end up a slow process
very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
that's not the point.
if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval
natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs:
Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT
[preparation for PCSE exam] with a nice logo
James Powell wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
different types of table for some reason.
It's because the
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed
i had thought about a 20 quid fee to be sent to YAS
to help you pass, which culminate in taking
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?
alex
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
I think a lot of this will be about signing
what robert describes or what i describe?
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?
alex
On
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:08:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
it today.
Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after
the Cc: so I get a line that says
Cc: X-Mailer: foo
which my mail client (PINE) wants to reply
Well as a fairly independent person in this matter, i will volunteer
to coordinate this. Unless there are any objections - i already
TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in
different styles. How can you evaluate this?
I don't think it's a huge problem. For a
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing
act of:
* being
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes,
establish the odd DBI
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
Java to make it useable for web content delivery as
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hmm... Given that big business seems to have bought some of the ideas
of 'Just In Time' stock holding and delivery type stuff, maybe the
time has come to start pushing Perl and open source programming as
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing),
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems with Perl work in london,
Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
i think it was me that suggested this
i think you need a
At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
strong.
And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer
in London. Don't expect that to
Greg Cope wrote:
I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
develope in, and had faster execuion
Paul Makepeace wrote:
Can you trivially embed a perl network application in a browser?
[snip]
Java's favour is not *entirely* due to massive marketing pimpery.
Java support in browsers didn't magically come because Microsoft and
Netscape said "Hey, let's develop a Java plug-in for our
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was
also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I
*think* IE3 also did Java, about
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
i think this will end up a slow process
umm .. so long as you have
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail.
That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the
first COMMIT?
This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is
called "two-phase commit". See
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
4.46 Nick Cleaton
Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish...
He heh
Look what they say I got :
Total Tests Completed 41233
Your Rank (1 = top) 40653
Your Percentile (99 = top): 1
Ah -
Philip Newton wrote:
Greg Cope wrote:
I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
develope
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps
Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that
they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo
forum/organisation does this)
Somehow I
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
it today.
Actually, that message was OK.
Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
(or something similar)
It would be nice to get his backing, but I think that to do that we
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
(or something similar)
It would be nice
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No partial failure allowed, it has to either succeed completely
or fail completely.
Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. And
I'd bemused as to how Java
At 04:42 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)'
etc ..
Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :)
"Gary Numan's guide to the PCSE"...
;)
--
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
4.46 Nick Cleaton
4.46 Maurice Buxton
Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Me four.
Although they seem to have lost my score.
I have a nice shiny certificate though ...
Nick say's he
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed
i had thought about a 20 quid
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
(or something similar)
Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification.
--
"You can have my
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:00:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
4.46 Nick Cleaton
4.46 Maurice Buxton
Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Me four.
Although they seem to have lost
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than
convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think
there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl
consultancies. once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to
afford and
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote:
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than
convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think
there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl
consultancies. once you get to a particular
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
I think java is likely to be associated with a load of spectacular
failures.
To be fair, most of these won't be Java's fault. It's just that Java is
No, they'll be the vendor JVM's fault. :)
the first
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a
solution for things it clearly isn't right for.
out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for
inappropriate problem sapces)?
--
Greg McCarroll
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:16:07PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I'd also add that Java, to my eyes, seems dreadfully uncooperative. Is it
really as hard as it seems to get a non Java program to talk to j2ee stuff?
Or is it all just part of the Java marketing? Is it me or is COM actually
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a
solution for things it clearly isn't right for.
out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of
noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java.
Wait until TPC.
--
Thus spake the master programmer:
"After three days without programming, life
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating
tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java.
Wait until TPC.
Sounds
"Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The recent .com crash has had many desirable effects as well as undesirable
ones, and one of these is the devaluation in hype in .com related
technologies. An awful lot of the value of the big packages is based on
future value - "You don't need
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
Discuss.
s/fuck|tits|arse//;
Nonono. You want reusable components so you don't end up reinventing the
wheel, badly.
use Regexp::Common 'clean'; # don't muck with my $,
s/$RE{profanity}//g;
I happen to know of a nice perl / linux admin gig in the midlands if
anyone wants it ...
mail me offlist if you would be so kind.
--
Robin Szemeti
The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!
i'm not sure this does cut both ways - if what you are saying is correct -
then java's dominance becomes even more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
i don't think it's the corporates themselves who are making all the noise
about java - it's an aggressive sun PR department which is latching on to
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From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating
tons of
noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java.
Wait until TPC.
Ahh come on! We need more
Robin Houston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell.
I just couldn't do half of what I do without regexes
I quote from the MediaSurface brochure on my desk:
"The Content Server is written in Perl, the de facto standard language for
server-side applications on the World Wide Web."
It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages
interaction with its product, where does it go
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref
open source) Java regex libs ?
OROMatcher.
http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html
There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans:
http://www.cacas.org/~wes/java/
Both
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