Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. I'd say that's marketing and not something built-in. You want client-side Perl, you

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Simon Wistow
Robin Szemeti wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all that. The theory driving test in this country was doen by getting

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. But things like

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Chris Benson
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. Bzzzt! Lynx doesn't

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or 20

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: But things like Avantgo - which are getting more and more users all the time - have pretty much the same capabilities as a text-only browser. From a display point of view, yes, but they certainly have the capability to run a JVM

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: is it? ... sure you don't mean 'the database used by most large corporates for e-commerce' ? I know nothing about the spread of spend between the large coprporations and the small 5 dollar outfits .. but theres a hell of a lot of

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner. alex ps i only mention learning tree

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the underlying table type is implemented using Berkeley DB3, which does support transactions. And that has

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for e-commerce, plain and simple. gartuitous snippage no .. it _does_ have its strong points .. I wouldn't

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:55:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination? Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing the point? Certified

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't really see the point in this. i think it should sound like a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the underlying table type is implemented

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Fowler
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too lazy? I'm too lazy.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a i think this will end up a slow process very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: that's not the point. if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs: Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT [preparation for PCSE exam] with a nice logo

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
James Powell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed i had thought about a 20 quid fee to be sent to YAS to help you pass, which culminate in taking

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? alex On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: I think a lot of this will be about signing

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
what robert describes or what i describe? * alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? alex On

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:08:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at it today. Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after the Cc: so I get a line that says Cc: X-Mailer: foo which my mail client (PINE) wants to reply

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Well as a fairly independent person in this matter, i will volunteer to coordinate this. Unless there are any objections - i already TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in different styles. How can you evaluate this? I don't think it's a huge problem. For a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing act of: * being

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes, establish the odd DBI

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmm... Given that big business seems to have bought some of the ideas of 'Just In Time' stock holding and delivery type stuff, maybe the time has come to start pushing Perl and open source programming as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing),

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. i think it was me that suggested this i think you need a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross
At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going strong. And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in London. Don't expect that to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Greg Cope wrote: I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor, although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to develope in, and had faster execuion

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Makepeace wrote: Can you trivially embed a perl network application in a browser? [snip] Java's favour is not *entirely* due to massive marketing pimpery. Java support in browsers didn't magically come because Microsoft and Netscape said "Hey, let's develop a Java plug-in for our

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I *think* IE3 also did Java, about

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote: * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a i think this will end up a slow process umm .. so long as you have

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the first COMMIT? This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is called "two-phase commit". See

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish... He heh Look what they say I got : Total Tests Completed 41233 Your Rank (1 = top) 40653 Your Percentile (99 = top): 1 Ah -

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
Philip Newton wrote: Greg Cope wrote: I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor, although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to develope

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo forum/organisation does this) Somehow I

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread pmh
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at it today. Actually, that message was OK. Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) It would be nice to get his backing, but I think that to do that we

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) It would be nice

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No partial failure allowed, it has to either succeed completely or fail completely. Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. And I'd bemused as to how Java

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Chris Devers
At 04:42 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote: O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)' etc .. Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :) "Gary Numan's guide to the PCSE"... ;) -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton 4.46 Maurice Buxton Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well. Me four. Although they seem to have lost my score. I have a nice shiny certificate though ... Nick say's he

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed i had thought about a 20 quid

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification. -- "You can have my

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:00:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton 4.46 Maurice Buxton Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well. Me four. Although they seem to have lost

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to afford and

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote: easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: I think java is likely to be associated with a load of spectacular failures. To be fair, most of these won't be Java's fault. It's just that Java is No, they'll be the vendor JVM's fault. :) the first

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a solution for things it clearly isn't right for. out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for inappropriate problem sapces)? -- Greg McCarroll

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:16:07PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I'd also add that Java, to my eyes, seems dreadfully uncooperative. Is it really as hard as it seems to get a non Java program to talk to j2ee stuff? Or is it all just part of the Java marketing? Is it me or is COM actually

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a solution for things it clearly isn't right for. out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. Sounds

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Piers Cawley
"Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The recent .com crash has had many desirable effects as well as undesirable ones, and one of these is the devaluation in hype in .com related technologies. An awful lot of the value of the big packages is based on future value - "You don't need

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Philip Newton
Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Discuss. s/fuck|tits|arse//; Nonono. You want reusable components so you don't end up reinventing the wheel, badly. use Regexp::Common 'clean'; # don't muck with my $, s/$RE{profanity}//g;

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex
i'm not sure this does cut both ways - if what you are saying is correct - then java's dominance becomes even more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. i don't think it's the corporates themselves who are making all the noise about java - it's an aggressive sun PR department which is latching on to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dean S Wilson
Original Message- From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. Ahh come on! We need more

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I do without regexes

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I quote from the MediaSurface brochure on my desk: "The Content Server is written in Perl, the de facto standard language for server-side applications on the World Wide Web." It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages interaction with its product, where does it go

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote: I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref open source) Java regex libs ? OROMatcher. http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans: http://www.cacas.org/~wes/java/ Both

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote: I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref open source) Java regex libs ? OROMatcher. http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans:

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I do without

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: I reckon interperability is big, and that XML-RPC (or possibly even SOAP) will change the way we work. There's no point writing everything in one language or environment any more. Microsoft may have understood this with .NET.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages interaction with its product, where does it go for Perl? P5P? CLPM? NetThink? :) Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for e-commerce, plain and simple. Why not? Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app,

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for e-commerce, plain and simple. Why not? Can Perl do distributed database transactions? Can you write stored

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of things. Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that. My favourite solution in business when you are faced

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: I reckon interperability is big, and that XML-RPC (or possibly even SOAP) will change the way we work. There's no point writing everything in one language or environment any more.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes, establish the odd DBI connection, execute a query each return when

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will sign up to teach to a given level of skills (or several levels). Fuck

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will sign up to teach to a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of things. Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:51:10PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: I think that's what Paul was talking about. He can correct me if I'm wrong :-) Exactly what I meant :-) And Java's a whole lot better for this than COBOL, C, and other things that make you go "blech". J2EE is horribly bloated but

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in different styles. How can you evaluate this? it doesn't matter how they achieve most things, as long as they can do them ...

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes, establish the odd DBI

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. That's mainly due to the M rather than the C. -- She said that she was working for the ABC News, It was as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. That's mainly due to the M rather than the C. OK, well some of

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow - thoughts ? Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want. -- "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 20:47 28/03/2001, you wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of things. Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that. My favourite

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. *We* may look down on the qualification, cos we know it's worthless just like most other qualifications,

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:19:55PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started charging for tests. Perhaps the Perl community should have an online certification program that funnels cash into the Conway Coffers? :-) No, wait, that might

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going strong. And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started charging for tests. well I just

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 22:19 28/03/2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 21:24 28/03/2001, Simon wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:29:46PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: advantage over other databases - speed. But I wasn't allowed to upgrade to (eg) postgresql for silly reasons which I forget now. Your PHBastard called in a $200k/month Oracle DBA and you walked after the weekend to find your root

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:32:15PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: well I just looked ... and their script failed to find 'Perl' even though they have a test for Perl ... I hope this isn't the programming language equivalent of dot-bomb stock becoming unlisted as 'junk' on the NASDAQ... "Perl

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while back. Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers? Don't know if it still exists tho' - been quiet for a while. Nothing on

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Devers
At 12:24 PM 28.3.2001 -0800, you wrote: http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going strong. Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing about them (aside from the I think reasonable assumption that they must do roughly the same things

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing about them *cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :) -- The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 22:44 28/03/2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while back. Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers? No. There was definitely a perlcert as well.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Devers
At 10:49 PM 28.3.2001 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing about them *cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :) Well, yeah, I suppose. :) I just keep our

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:26:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: (my pseudo-transaction scheme for MySQL is basically : .. do this and return a closure to undo it if I to .. bung the closures in an array .. if something screws up then back it all off by

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