Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 people just seem to
 want *nix boxen configured these days :-/
 

sounds like the start of a song

-- 
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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Fowler

 snip discussion about legal aspects re using a camel smoking a joint
on a t-shirt.

If these are private individuals selling t-shirts, may I suggest just
omitting the word 'perl' from anywhere on the t-shirt. Then O'Reilly's
trademark issues don't even come into effect (See page 'iv' of Programming
Perl for trademark discussion) and it's really, really got nothing to do
with them.

Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly.  IMHO they're a nice
company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has
nothing to do with it.

Later.

Mark.

-- 
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   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  snip discussion about legal aspects re using a camel smoking a joint
 on a t-shirt.
 
 If these are private individuals selling t-shirts, may I suggest just
 omitting the word 'perl' from anywhere on the t-shirt. Then O'Reilly's
 trademark issues don't even come into effect (See page 'iv' of Programming
 Perl for trademark discussion) and it's really, really got nothing to do
 with them.

besides, ``Icon'' smoking joint has been done to death, hash bang perl is
original

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly.  IMHO they're a nice
 company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has
 nothing to do with it.

I think this is a _very_ good point.

On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that 
there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.

Dave...
[who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced
him to sing that song over 30 years ago]



RE: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Jonathan Peterson

 On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
 office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
 by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that
 there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.

It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was
young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good
childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories!

And another thing:

http://www.brunching.com/toys/drugslanger.html




Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
  office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
  by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that
  there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.
 
 It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was
 young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good
 childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories!
 

damn, this fact is in some comedy film --- ah thats right its meet 
the parents, with Robert De Niro as an ex-CIA guy who is equally
surprised at PtMD being about this.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly.  IMHO they're a nice
  company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has
  nothing to do with it.
 
 I think this is a _very_ good point.
 
 On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
 office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
 by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that 
 there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.
 
 Dave...
 [who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced
 him to sing that song over 30 years ago]

Snopes has this to say:

http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm
 

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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At 17 Jan 2001 10:09:29 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

 Snopes has this to say:
 
 http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm

Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi
of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know 
exactly what I'm doing.

Dave...
[who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any 
circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics".



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:14:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

 Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi
 of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know 
 exactly what I'm doing.
 
 Dave...
 [who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any 
 circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics".

junkbuster is your friend.

-- 
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   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena

 
 On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
 office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
 by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that 
 there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.

I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous
substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is
probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although
hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still.

A.

-- 
A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A
"As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a 
complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Redvers Davies

 I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous
 substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is
 probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although
 hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still.

Myself and a couple of friends of mine were talking about this before
and someone suggested that ingestion in cakes was healthier still and
more "effective".

I don't know if this is the case but i'm nosy so if anyone knows the
answer please let us (or me privatly) know.





Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:25:26PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
  
  ingestion has several downsides - lack of control of dosage (assuming you
  eat it at a significant lump at a time), longer effects, stronger
  effects (making it hard to get dosage right) and also slow absorbtion.
 
 Though all of those could be advantages too :-)

yes - perfect for that ozrics or hawkwind gig. 

A.

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"As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a 
complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread David H. Adler

[snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion]

Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew
Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I
have requested that she do so if she speaks to him.

dave, getting this settled.

-- 
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Perl can certainly be used as a first computer language, but it was
really designed to be a *last* computer language. - Larry Wall



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 [snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion]
 
 Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew
 Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I
 have requested that she do so if she speaks to him.
 
 dave, getting this settled.
 

ah the joy of 7 degrees of seperation

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:32:47PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

 How about "Smoking Perl" for Amsterdam?

"YAPC::Europe::Amsterdam - A Week-Long Hashref"

Alex



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

"David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 11:37:57AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
  David Hodgkinson wrote:
  
   Can I reserve 2 to go to the States? I guess I should enquire about
   sizes...
  
  Sure, no problem.
 
 Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand?

Forget mine. They guy cried off when he found out they were for real.

Pussy.


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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:59:44PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:

 There is a temptation to insert a joint into the mouth of the "Republic of
 Perl" camel.  Of course this would never happen[1].

 [1] Something tells me that would have to be a trademark thing that O'Reilly
 would protect.

IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as you're not making 
profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of T-shirt making is excusable).

Alex



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Neil Ford

* Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

  Greg McCarroll writes:

  Apparently Amsterdam.pm are looking for a design for YAPC::Europe 2001 ;-)
  
  however, having said that, still like the # , ! , perl one ;-)

  that ought to be

   
|\/|
| \__/ |
|______|
\  /
|  |
|  |
|  hash bang perl  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
|/\|


i know, i was protecting simon's trademarks, besides this is just the
sort of thing that gives perl a bad name

(i'll have an XXL simon)

I'd like to set up a standing order for 2 of the largest size you can 
do of each new design as they are produced. In actual fact thinking 
about it, best make that 4 of.

Cheques at monthly intervals okay?

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Shevek

It's been done. But go for it.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~commstud/adclass/camel/images/motorcycle.jpg

(http://www.uiowa.edu/~commstud/adclass/camel/JoeCool.html)

S.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Alex Page wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:59:44PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
 
  There is a temptation to insert a joint into the mouth of the "Republic of
  Perl" camel.  Of course this would never happen[1].
 
  [1] Something tells me that would have to be a trademark thing that O'Reilly
  would protect.
 
 IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as you're not 
making profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of T-shirt making is excusable).
 
 Alex
 

--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD { ($s=$AUTOLOAD)=~s/.*:://; eval qq{ *$AUTOLOAD=$s
?sub {$s*{$s-1}} :sub {1}; }; goto $AUTOLOAD; } print {'4'}; 




trade mark parody (Re: PIMB T-shirts)

2001-01-16 Thread Robin Houston

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:09:55AM -0500, Alex Page wrote:
 IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as
 you're not making profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of
 T-shirt making is excusable).

IANAL either, but I think it's quite complicated.

"More interestingly the Court held that in trade mark law,
 there is no "parody" defence to an infringement action."

 (from http://www.bristows.com/news/news_items/elvis.html)

Other cases seem to contradict that view though. Also relevant
is http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v5n1/blake51.html#infringet
paragraph 48:

"derogotary use", involving the "suggestion of an unwholesome, or
 unsavoury association" seems to qualify as infringement in the US.


Don't we have someone here who *is* a lawyer? :-)

.robin.



Re: trade mark parody (Re: PIMB T-shirts)

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:43:00PM +, Robin Houston wrote:

 Don't we have someone here who *is* a lawyer? :-)

More to the point, don't we have someone who could drop a mail to one of the happy 
bunnies at O'Rielly and ask them nicely not to sue us?

Alex



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, you wrote:

 however, having said that, still like the # , ! , perl one ;-)
 
 that ought to be
 
  
   |\/| 
   | \__/ |
   |______|
   \  /
   |  |
   |  |
   |  hash bang perl  |
   |  |

careful now fellas .. that is a bit risque'  .. cant you stick with
something less contraversial .. like semi naked hooters girls or
summink??  :)) wouldn't want to upset our corporate overlords now would
we ...

(err thats a joke by the way before anybody says anything ..)

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-15 Thread Simon Wistow

David Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 Are there any of these left?

Yeah, I've got about 10 or so left I think.

Sorry they never got over to the states ... I checked with the Post
oFfice and the cost was going to be ridiculous to send them Data Post or
whatever it's called. And because of (and here I quote the guy behind
the counter when I asked about this) "the Post Office being crap at the
moment. Well, even more crap than usual" there was little point trying
to send them normally because it would have taken somewhere in the
region of three weeks to get over.

Aren't we supposed to going over to NY at somepoint soon anyway?



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-15 Thread David Hodgkinson

Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 David Hodgkinson wrote:
  
  Are there any of these left?
 
 Yeah, I've got about 10 or so left I think.

Can I reserve 2 to go to the States? I guess I should enquire about
sizes...


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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-15 Thread David H. Adler

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 11:37:57AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
 David Hodgkinson wrote:
 
  Can I reserve 2 to go to the States? I guess I should enquire about
  sizes...
 
 Sure, no problem.

Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand?

-- 
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set... and DVD... please"
  - #9 Sign Someone Has Cast a Spell On You



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-15 Thread Simon Wistow

"David H. Adler" wrote:

 Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand?

Yup. Might eb up for doing anohter run if necessary.

Plus I have some other ideas.



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-15 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 "David H. Adler" wrote:
 
  Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand?
 
 Yup. Might eb up for doing anohter run if necessary.
 
 Plus I have some other ideas.

Apparently Amsterdam.pm are looking for a design for YAPC::Europe 2001 ;-)

however, having said that, still like the # , ! , perl one ;-)


 

-- 
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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-15 Thread David H. Adler

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 06:04:42PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
 "David H. Adler" wrote:
 
  Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand?
 
 Yup. Might eb up for doing anohter run if necessary.
 
 Plus I have some other ideas.

Doctor incarnation=secondI think this is one of those instances were
discretion is the better part of valour. Simon has an idea./Doctor

dha :-)
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win, when the bad guys leave." - The Jim Basnight Thing



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler

On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 09:39:07AM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 Are there any of these left?

And how can we get them to the states?  Now that I think of it, do the
vienna/belfast contingents still have the ones that didn't make it
here last month?  I know at least a couple of ny.pm people want
them...

dha
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themselves to the task.- Mark Rogaski



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-14 Thread David Hodgkinson

"David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 09:39:07AM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
  
  Are there any of these left?
 
 And how can we get them to the states?  Now that I think of it, do the
 vienna/belfast contingents still have the ones that didn't make it
 here last month?  I know at least a couple of ny.pm people want
 them...

This is where my two are going.

I'm going to the states "soon" but there's nothing certain.

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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler

On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 07:29:31PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 I'm going to the states "soon" but there's nothing certain.

Keep me informed.  I'll call a meeting.

dha

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