Politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe
I just thought I'd remind you all that the last time talk here turned to politics it nearly ended in tears before bedtime. Please think before you post anything potentially inflamable as I think there are a wider variety of more strongly held views represented here than is apparent from the

Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
Robert Shiels: Over the next 4 years, Labour will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the country will swing back to the party of low taxes, who will be re-elected in 2006. Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I think are important (decent public

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:45:45AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed: I genuinely believe that the public are sick of watching the NHS, education system etc wasting away on a starvation diet and would be willing to pay a bit of extra tax to make sure that their kids can get schooled and that

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:45:45AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote: Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I think are important (decent public services) is because they've hamstrung themselves with this clueless tory low-tax approach. I genuinely believe that the public

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread will
- Original Message - From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license) Robert Shiels: Over the next 4 years, Labour will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the country

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
I genuinely believe that the public are sick of watching the NHS, education system etc wasting away on a starvation diet and would be willing to pay a bit of extra tax to make sure that their kids can get schooled and that their sick can be healed. When have they ever been asked? During

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench. Minister for Perilous Boogiedowns,

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Thompson
This is why we should abolish democracy. We need a benevolent dictator. Obviously we can't vote for our dictator (not only is democracy too flawed, but then it wouldn't be a dictator either) so I hereby appoint myself. Why not? The Romans did. The title of Imperator and Dictator were

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread will
- Original Message - From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:05 AM Subject: RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license) I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any volunteers for my other minions? Even

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:52AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed: When have they ever been asked? During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I reckon) seen as the guardian of the public services, the party that is traditionally associated In 1997 the UK

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 10:45 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote: Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I think are important (decent public services) is because they've hamstrung themselves with this clueless tory low-tax approach. Yup. I genuinely believe that the public are sick of watching

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:52AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed: When have they ever been asked? During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I reckon) seen as the guardian of the public services, the party that

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
In 1997 the UK voted against the Conservatives. The policies being offered by the parties were close to identical. For values of conservative that are low-tax/shitty services, IMHO. The policies may have been close, but the perception of the two parties still pointed at Labour as the party of

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread James Powell
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:51AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:52AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed: When have they ever been asked? During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I reckon) seen as the guardian of the public

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels
From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have deeply unfashionable political views, though. I think tax and spend is a *good idea*. I'm neither completely left, or completely right. I would be happy to pay more income tax to improve health and education. I actually voted LibDem last time as

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote: Robert Shiels: Over the next 4 years, Labour will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the country will swing back to the party of low taxes, who will be re-elected in 2006. Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 11:17 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote: Governments never get value for money on anything they do. Discuss. The Louisiana purchase was a pretty good deal. So was Alaska. So was the Suez canal. Government subsidy of scientific research has possibly been a very good deal, it's hard to quantify.

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
Just because they can't deliver those promises for those costs doesn't mean no one else can. If they knew they couldn't deliver within those cost constraints why did they lie and say they could? Because they are (right-wing) politicians. Just look at the absurd promisises Hague's lot are

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does anyone happen to have one of those little plastic credit card things they were giving out before the last election with 10 things 'let us be judged on these:' .. That was a Mark Thomas episode wasn't it? -- Dave Hodgkinson,

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:58:42AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: I recall the previous government being impressively dishonest about a great many things. When was the last government that was *not* impressively dishonest? I think there might have been one around 1868, but I'm not sure. The

More politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:37:23AM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people seem to think that low taxes are good? Because many people think that they are better judges of how their own money should be spent than the government (of

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 11:58 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote: If you ignore all of those, I wonder how many of those 'stealth' taxes would really exist. IR35, for a start ? On the subject of idiocy and legislation, here's a good one A dairy farmer has some cows (might not anymore, actually, but anyway...), and

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:44:11AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote: The tories are going to have low tax and pay for improved public services through cracking down on benefit fraud, apparently. Gah, if only someone had thought of that before. 'Cos you can solve a long-term underfunding problem by

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
Ah, yes. That's like we're listening, isn't it, in response to the fuel crisis? We're not going to do anything, but we're happy to listen. That narked me about the fuel protestors. They claimed the government aren't listening. Listen ne cave in to the selfish demands of a few protestors who

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote: Just because they can't deliver those promises for those costs doesn't mean no one else can. If they knew they couldn't deliver within those cost constraints why did they lie and say they could? Because they are (right-wing) politicians. Just look at the

RE: More politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people seem to think that low taxes are good? Because many people think that they are better judges of how their own money should be spent than the government (of whatever flavour) is. This is something I've always wondered about. Given

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:08 PM There are some contractors here, I understand, who might have something to say about government policy on taxation. Heh. Can you be a contractor and hold on to your left-wing principles? Let's see... Whilst I'd seem to

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. Teachers are responsible for children taking their medicine. If a child has a critical allergy to (bee stings, etc, etc) the teachers are responsible for administering intra-venous beta blockers etc. They don't get paid more for being nurses too.

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Martin Ling
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:57:59AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days holiday a year, a

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:16:27PM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote: It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the dump the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? You don't elect BP or Shell. -- He was a

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
Hospital waiting lists are up, No, hospital waiting lists are down. The time spent waiting to get on the wiating list is up. :) so are class sizes in schools. No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Struan Donald
* at 14/05 12:16 +0100 Matthew Jones said: Ah, yes. That's like we're listening, isn't it, in response to the fuel crisis? We're not going to do anything, but we're happy to listen. That narked me about the fuel protestors. They claimed the government aren't listening. Listen ne cave

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? You don't elect BP or Shell. Well, precisely, they're companies, so you boycott them. Which is what I thought that dump the pump was originally about; boycotting oil companies

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Price
At 12:27 PM 5/14/01 +0100, you wrote: Hospital waiting lists are up, so are class sizes in schools. No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC. Are they in reality, or is it due to the

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
Are they in reality, or is it due to the current lot being in lower birth years than the lot 4 years ago, and hence the secondary school numbers being up now? Heh, it's pre-election statistics, so god knows what possible conne4ction to reality they may have! :) -- matt | I mean to make you

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Steve Mynott
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the dump the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? Because the vast majority of the petrol pump price (something

Re: More politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Steve Mynott
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: medicine and so on. Has anybody worked out how much it would cost to buy the same services as a private citizen compared to the cost that the state charges in tax? People have tried to do this and the figures I saw suggest the private sector can

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robert Shiels
From: Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 May 2001 12:12 Subject: Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license) Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm neither completely left, or completely right. I would be happy to pay more income tax to improve health

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote: Appears I'm out of a job too from the end of the month, so count me in. The mighty army of unemployed Perlers takes over the world... Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the bioinformatics revolution? Hack around and

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Philip Newton
Jonathan Peterson wrote: 2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the door is open. Things were obviously different back when I spent the occasional lunch break (or after school) in detention :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Andy Williams
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the bioinformatics revolution? Hack around and cure cancer at the same time ;-) L. Been there, done that at the Sanger Centre hacking around with genes though... Andy

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Steve Mynott
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? You don't elect BP or Shell. Well, precisely, they're companies, so you boycott them. Which is what I thought that dump the pump

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robin Houston
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the bioinformatics revolution? I've always thought it sounded like fun. How does one go about joining the bioinformatics revolution, then? .robin. -- It

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Chris Ball
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Appears I'm out of a job too from the end of the month, so count me in. The mighty army of unemployed Perlers takes over the world... Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the bioinformatics

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I'm not trying to negate your point, which I agree with, but I'm not sure if this one is true. Teachers at my daughters school have refused to give medicine to her, and to other children, some of whom are on constant medication; their mother comes into the school to administer it. You

Bioinformatics jobs (was: Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license))

2001-05-14 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:18:00PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the bioinformatics revolution? I've always thought it sounded like fun. How does one go

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Wistow
Robin Houston wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the bioinformatics revolution? I've always thought it sounded like fun. How does one go about joining the bioinformatics

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Horne
On Mon 14 May, Matthew Jones wrote: No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC. Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce class sizes in primary schools and to recruit

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce class sizes in primary schools and to recruit more secondary school teachers. How can they achieve the former without recruiting more teachers? I'd assume that they would recruit more Classroom Assistants. Sort of paradidacts

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
class but reducing the pupil/adult ration, I guess. -^^ Heh. I bet it was the MAFF comment which planted that one. -- matt The (void) is that which stands right in the middle of this and That.

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread jduncan
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:56:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. So how, pray, do I opt out of

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Mon, 14 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Martin Ling
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:56:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel? With a solar panel and some batteries. Martin

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Martin Ling
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:56:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel? Adapt that gas-guzzling beast of yours to run on rape seed oil. Martin

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Matthew Jones
So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel? use the tube and electric trains? Most power stations aren't oil fired AFAIK. Not even then, I guess. Am I right in thinkming that many plastics are (by-)products of the refining process? So that's internal

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:05:06PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Alex Gough
I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench. ... Before I kill you, Mr Bond,

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: 2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the door is open. I know it's one of those Zen koans, but I just can't work it out. -- Feed me on TOASTIES! There's no HALL for PHILOSOPHERS ON FRIDAYS. - Henry

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 15:36 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: 2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the door is open. I know it's one of those Zen koans, but I just can't work it out. ROFL Unless the door to the pupil's mind is

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:49:26PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Unless the door to the pupil's mind is open then there is no teacher. And he was enlightened. http://simon-cozens.org/hacks/grok -- For detailed information on the info command, type man info. - plan9 has a bad day

RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roger Horne wrote: On Mon 14 May, Matthew Jones wrote: No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC. Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Steve Mynott
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Alex Gough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days holiday a year, a nice uniform and a

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:56:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Martin Ling
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: What do you mean `naked'? As in one of those freaky hairless ones? Or are you in the habit of dressing your cats up in little outfits? Do lots of people dress their cats up? Is there a GAP for cats? Complete with irritatingly

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: What do you mean `naked'? As in one of those freaky hairless ones? Or are you in the habit of dressing your cats up in little outfits? Do lots of people dress their cats up? Is there

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:07:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel? With a drill With a solar panel and some batteries. With a sponge and a rusty spanner? Tony --

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Steve Mynott
Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With a sponge and a rusty spanner? she said: Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing. I said: that's nothing--you should hear me play piano. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] there are some politicians who, if their constituents were

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 14 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote: Appears I'm out of a job too from the end of the month, so count me in. The mighty army of unemployed Perlers takes over the world... Is this the point where

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
will [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you suggest we train our workforce when schools (which are funded by tax) can't afford more than a couple of rooms full of archimedes? I respectfully suggest that we don't train the little buggers in schools. We teach them stuff. Then, when the come out

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 14 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. So

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I respectfully suggest that we don't train the little buggers in schools. We teach them stuff. Wrong. We show them how to learn. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ACtually working out *how* to do this is left as an exercise for the interested reader. A solved problem. Getting inept, inadequate, arse-covering halfwits masquerading as teachers to do it, is another thing. Present companies' relatives excluded of

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I respectfully suggest that we don't train the little buggers in schools. We teach them stuff. Wrong. We show them how to learn. I respectfully suggest that 50% of them have no interest whatsoever in learning

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 14/5/01 9:24 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: What the hell happened to the youth that did amusing things with steam engines, collected stamps and had a chemistry set? .. give a 16 year old a chemistry set today and they'd try and inject it. They seem to have taken anything remotely fun out of

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:09:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: They seem to have taken anything remotely fun out of chemistry sets these days... And put them into pharmacies... Paul

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Martin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. This is the same population that brought you 'Hey, why are there loads of schools with below average results!' That was a direct quote. Tory education minister. We want to raise standard so that more than half of schools get above average

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:10:56PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote: And while I'm about it, can I please kill anyone who complains that our universities are 'too elitist?'. Excuse me? I thought that was the whole point. Oh, that's easy. - Being

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. This is the same population that brought you 'Hey, why are there loads of schools with below average results!' That was a direct quote. Tory education minister. We want to raise standard so that

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 06:10:12PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote: Well, it's thinking like that that keeps the skills gap nice and wide. Hmm... can't be all bad then. Better to quietly allow immigrants across the border, put them in an immigration armlock and then turn a blind eye to them be

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote: But it does mean you need some really AWFUL schools to pull the average down... AIUI suitable arrangments have been put in place to enable this to happen. -- Robin Szemeti The box said requires windows 95 or better So I installed Linux!

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote: But it does mean you need some really AWFUL schools to pull the average down... AIUI suitable arrangments have been put in place to enable this to happen. I intended to leave that implicit. -- Piers Cawley