Re: Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:18:13PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:36:40AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Unfortunatly this is largely a valid point.  Perl is not used by
  many *professional* people.  Perl is used by a lot of people, and some of
  them are professional, but I wouldn't consider it the
  majority.
 
 A professional is someone with a profession.

Indeed.  How many computer professionals are out there?  As opposed to
cowboys of the Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert variety.  I
certainly don't consider myself "professional", even though I try to ply
my trade in what I believe to be a "professional" manner.

As a trade, we have a long way to go before we are as respected[1] as
those in (say) accountancy, engineering and law.

I leave it to yourselves to judge whether or not this is a Good Thing.

-Dom

[1] In some senses only, I assure you.



RE: Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread Matthew Jones

 I certainly don't consider myself "professional", even though I 
 try to ply my trade in what I believe to be a "professional" manner.

"I'm not a professional, I'm a gifted amateur."

The source of that escapes for the moment.

-- 
matt
"'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today?
hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"



Re: Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread jduncan

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:18:13PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:36:40AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Unfortunatly this is largely a valid point.  Perl is not used by
  many *professional* people.  Perl is used by a lot of people, and some of
  them are professional, but I wouldn't consider it the
  majority.
 
 A professional is someone with a profession.

Chuckle.

I think you are focusing on the definition rather than the
sentiment.  DWIM.  There are an awful lot of people out there that
download a MW script, change a few variables, and wack 'perl programmer'
on their CV.  I'd say 35-45% of CVs that are sent to me by recruitment
agencies fall into this category, or perhaps a little more skilled.  My
point is that while just getting your job done to keep the boss happy is a
valid use for Perl, I'd rather see someone who can get the job done in a
manner that will let (you|me|us) maintain, extend, and understand the code
that is written.  It is a both a pity and a fact that these people are
relatively few and far between.

The guy's point may be uneducated but it isn't wrong just because
(I|you|we) don't like the sentiment.

--james.


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