Re: Sony Clie (was Re: Social meet)

2001-06-08 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I would strongly suggest you check out the Palm M500/505 as they come in
the
 lovely Palm V form factor but have an expansion slot (taking both Secure
 Digital and Multimedia cards)
 http://www.palm.com/products/accessories/expansioncards/

Thanks Neil, as the M505 isn't available yet, I actually went for the M500.
It's pretty good, and I've just gotten IR syncing working to my Vaio so I
don't need to carry the cradle around with me.

I've used a quarter of a full charge today already though, which isn't very
impressive, my Palm III used to last ages on a couple of AAs, and I wouldn't
have dreamt of needing new batteries on a 2 week holiday.

/Robert




Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-08 Thread Steve Mynott

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
   their Memory Stick is a closed book.
  
  Fine with me. Then maybe we'll get decent short range wireless data
  exchange with good authentication and encryption.
 
 and the problem with Lucent Orinoco ( + RC128 )  is?

its totally insecure 

Although most 802.11 equipment is designed to disregard encrypted
content for which it does not have the key, we have been able to
successfully intercept WEP-encrypted transmissions by changing the
configuration of the drivers.

http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/isaac/wep-faq.html

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Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA.
 Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop,
 or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

Has anybody got the USB syncing thing to work under Linux/BSD?  I tried
coldsync, but unfortunately, the USB protocol that sony use appears to
be completely different to the visor one that it supports.  :-(

-Dom

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Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Paul Mison

On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:

Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA.
Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
shop,
or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc
vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark
Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the
street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there.

Mind you, I'm no good at the haggling thing, so YMMV.


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::  bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo





Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Tony Kennick


On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:59:32 +0100
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 
 Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA.
 Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
 shop,
 or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.
 
 When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc
 vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark
 Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the
 street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there.
 
 Mind you, I'm no good at the haggling thing, so YMMV.

On a roughly related note, can anyone recommend somewhere to look for the
following.

1) Laptop screen repairs. We have had the backlight go on a gateway at
work that is out of warrantee.

2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom,
just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real
want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life.


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Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 June 2001 10:44
Subject: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)


 On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
  Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new
PDA.
  Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
shop,
  or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

 Has anybody got the USB syncing thing to work under Linux/BSD?  I tried
 coldsync, but unfortunately, the USB protocol that sony use appears to
 be completely different to the visor one that it supports.  :-(

I did some reading on this, and you are of course right. The Sony machine
has a serial interface, with some kind of USB conversion. Therefore you only
get serial speed from the sync, but you don't have to mess about with serial
ports and IRQs and stuff. I suppose I should get a PalmV, but I like Sony
stuff so much, and it does have the memory stick expansion slot.

/Robert




Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:10:48AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
   Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new
 PDA.
   Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
 shop,
   or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.
 
  Has anybody got the USB syncing thing to work under Linux/BSD?  I tried
  coldsync, but unfortunately, the USB protocol that sony use appears to
  be completely different to the visor one that it supports.  :-(

 I did some reading on this, and you are of course right. The Sony machine
 has a serial interface, with some kind of USB conversion. Therefore you only
 get serial speed from the sync, but you don't have to mess about with serial
 ports and IRQs and stuff. I suppose I should get a PalmV, but I like Sony
 stuff so much, and it does have the memory stick expansion slot.

I've got a sony laptop with a builtin memory stick slot, so it's not the
end of the world, but it would be very handy to sync to my Linux box as
well...

I tried looking up developer docs for the clie on the web, but there's a
a dearth of information about it, and what there is is protected by
sony's restrictive licensing.  It's a real shame, I wanted to add jog
dial support to a doc reader, but I'm probably not going to be able to
now.  :-(

Sony: Lovely kit, crap support.

-Dom

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Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:

 Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new
PDA.
 Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good
 shop,
 or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.

 When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc
 vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark
 Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the
 street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there.

PCWorld were doing it for 249gbp, so I suppose 240gbp will save me a bit.
Thanks everyone, it's nice to know in advance the kind of price to expect.
I'm crap at haggling too.

scan.co.uk btw will charge me £252.63, (includes 10pp). Not very good if
they can't undercut PCWorld.

/Robert




Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Paul Mison

On 07/06/2001 at 11:12 +0100, Tony Kennick wrote:

2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of
zoom,
just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real
want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life.

Morgans? http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/default.asp?Category=11

It's on New Oxford Street, so possibly you can have a look before the
meet tonight. They have second hand and refurb laptops of various
vintages (right back to bogstandard Pentiums, iirc.)

--
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:: 'this incredibly cool hands-on
::  bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo





Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Tony Kennick wrote:

 On a roughly related note, can anyone recommend somewhere to look for the
 following.
 
 1) Laptop screen repairs. We have had the backlight go on a gateway at
 work that is out of warrantee.

SKA system engineering ..purveyors of all manner of laptop spares 01582
477970 ..did me a backlight invertor for a toshiba for 10 quid and a new
Li battery for 65 .. the invertors usually plug in easy enough once you
get the case apart.

 2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom,
 just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real
 want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life.

www.laptopshop.co.uk

or just buy a nice new Dell ;) ...

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Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:12:23AM +0100, Tony Kennick wrote:

 On a roughly related note, can anyone recommend somewhere to look for the
 following.
 
 2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom,
 just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real
 want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life.

Morgans, New Oxford St.  They have a webshite too, but I disremember the
address.

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Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Tony Kennick wrote:

 2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom,
 just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real
 want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life.

and .. crap web page .. but...

http://www.sterlingxs.co.uk/system/index.html



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Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 I tried looking up developer docs for the clie on the web, but there's a
 a dearth of information about it, and what there is is protected by
 sony's restrictive licensing.  It's a real shame, I wanted to add jog
 dial support to a doc reader, but I'm probably not going to be able to
 now.  :-(
 
 Sony: Lovely kit, crap support.

their Memory Stick is a closed book. bastards. they only release
documentation to their partners after big bucks licences .. so any chance
of seeing memory stick support natively under linux is probably going to
be from someone with a copy of IDA pro and Softice reversing the windoze
drivers.

I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to
sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting?

-- 
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Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:40:20AM +0100, Robin Szemeti typed:

I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to
sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting?

Yup. The plan is (a) not to get kicked out of bed by MS and (b) not to
have cheap memory-stick-compatible devices (cf Apple clones).

R



Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:40:20AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  I tried looking up developer docs for the clie on the web, but there's a
  a dearth of information about it, and what there is is protected by
  sony's restrictive licensing.  It's a real shame, I wanted to add jog
  dial support to a doc reader, but I'm probably not going to be able to
  now.  :-(
  
  Sony: Lovely kit, crap support.
 
 their Memory Stick is a closed book. bastards. they only release
 documentation to their partners after big bucks licences .. so any chance
 of seeing memory stick support natively under linux is probably going to
 be from someone with a copy of IDA pro and Softice reversing the windoze
 drivers.

Well, the memory stick works just fine (at least under FreeBSD).
It just appears as a SCSI-over-USB device (and I'll wager that's how
it's implemented in the clie as well).  I suppose that the PCMCIA memory
stick reader does something totally different?

 I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to
 sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting?

Pass.  Withholding developer information to *anything* seems nuts to me.

F'rinstance, I'd love the jog dial to work on my laptop, too...

-Dom

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Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 
  I tried looking up developer docs for the clie on the web, but there's a
  a dearth of information about it, and what there is is protected by
  sony's restrictive licensing.  It's a real shame, I wanted to add jog
  dial support to a doc reader, but I'm probably not going to be able to
  now.  :-(
  
  Sony: Lovely kit, crap support.
 
 their Memory Stick is a closed book.

Fine with me. Then maybe we'll get decent short range wireless data
exchange with good authentication and encryption.


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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 Well, the memory stick works just fine (at least under FreeBSD).
 It just appears as a SCSI-over-USB device (and I'll wager that's how
 it's implemented in the clie as well).  I suppose that the PCMCIA memory
 stick reader does something totally different?

kewl .. thats a step forward from he situation a while ago .. excellenty
  
  I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to
  sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting?
 
 Pass.  Withholding developer information to *anything* seems nuts to me.

ideedy .. do they really think that by withholding info they will stop
people cloning things ? arsewipes the lot of em. as any fule kno there is
precious little that you cant do with some strong acids and an electron
microscope .. anything is possible.

 F'rinstance, I'd love the jog dial to work on my laptop, too...

and if you could make the 'stop play FF REW' buttons on my inspiron
accessible to something linuxy on my Inspiron I'd be pleased too. 

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Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

  their Memory Stick is a closed book.
 
 Fine with me. Then maybe we'll get decent short range wireless data
 exchange with good authentication and encryption.

and the problem with Lucent Orinoco ( + RC128 )  is?

actually I was keen on using the memory stick for data capture in a
datlogger I;d been working on .. but it lokkslike im stuck with either
SmartMedia or CompctFlash ... prolly compact flash as it mounts as a
plain IDE device.

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Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Sony: Lovely kit, crap support.
 

Has anyone seen http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/

/me drools.

/Robert




Sony Clie (was Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Neil Ford

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 
  i'm 07957 386 815
 
  i'm also going to be free this afternoon after about 2 ish (ill
  switch the phone on then) so if anyone wants to meet up before
  the meeting give me a bell
 
 Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA.
 Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop,
 or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.
 
 /Robert
 
I would strongly suggest you check out the Palm M500/505 as they come in the
lovely Palm V form factor but have an expansion slot (taking both Secure
Digital and Multimedia cards)
http://www.palm.com/products/accessories/expansioncards/

or alternatively the Handera (formerly TRG) 330, which uses the Palm III
form factor, supports existing Palm III peripherals but has both a Compact
Flash and a SD slot for expansion!
http://www.handera.com/

Oh yeah, and it's got a real speaker :-)

Neil.
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