RE: Stupid Email

2001-01-26 Thread Matthews Simon

  
  Don't listen to this man.  His job title may include the 
  word "manager"
  but he never has or never will be a "manager" in this context.  He's
  far too intelligent for a start :-)=

Too kind. I usually have to blow my own trumpet.  It's always nice to have
someone else blow it for you :-)


SAM





RE: Stupid Email

2001-01-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Matthews Simon wrote:

   
   Don't listen to this man.  His job title may include the 
   word "manager"
   but he never has or never will be a "manager" in this context.  He's
   far too intelligent for a start :-)=
 
 Too kind. I usually have to blow my own trumpet.  It's always nice to have
 someone else blow it for you :-)
 

Look this is a family list 

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Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-26 Thread Chris Benson

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:58:14AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:32:58AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
  There was a moral in this story but I forgot it in the process of
  rambling on.  Probably something about munging Reply-To, or putting
  all middle management up against a wall and shooting them (which ICL
  did a short while later).
 
 Was this simple yet violent process found to be of benefit to the
 company?

Probably, but some were left behind and bred - ICL is still haemoraging - 
but it sure screwed up a certain small software house that employed
one of these walking dead: e.g. Two weeks to write a memo to describe
what preparation was needed before he could start doing the job he was
employed to do!
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Chris Benson



Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Andy Wardley

On Jan 23, 11:53pm, Roger Horne wrote:
 A single email was sent by the powers that be[1]
[...]

Similar thing happened when I worked at ICL many moons ago.  Some executive
sent an email to the 'icl' alias, which for some mind-bogglingly stupid
reason was a valid alias expanding to everyone who worked for ICL.

After an hour or so, the mail host had failed to deliver this one message
to all NN thousand recipients, so it tried to resend it.  But of course
the machine and network were already a little busy trying to send the
first message so it didn't get too far before deciding it had failed and
re-sending it.  GOTO 10.

Meanwhile, the usual bunch of all-knowing, self-righteous idiots with
nothing better to do (i.e. failed technical people promoted to middle
management) starting sending replies to the sender telling him not to
use the global 'icl' alias for such messages.  Naturally, they wanted
everyone to share from the benefit of their wisdom so they made sure
that the original 'icl' distribution was kept intact.

Meanwhile, the usual bunch of know-nothing, self-important idiots with
nothing better to do (i.e. failed middle management moved sideways to
another middle managment position) starting sending replies to everyone
demanding that they stop being sent duplicate copies of all these different
emails.  cc'd to 'icl', of course, because the default (using OfficePower,
a truly jank ICL middleware system) was to simply copy the To: and CC: list
from the original message.

Naturally, it wasn't long before the whole shebang ground to a halt and
fell deeply into castors-up mode.

One of the interesting things I discovered in the ensuing
disentanglement of mail was that our expertly configured mail system
would have accepted mail from the outside world to huge aliases like
'icl'.  Could we spell "Dinial of Serviss"?  I think not.  But I
gleefully shirked my responsibilies and didn't tell anyone about it,
just in case I decided to become a disgruntled ex-employee with a
grudge at some point in future.  :-)=

There was a moral in this story but I forgot it in the process of
rambling on.  Probably something about munging Reply-To, or putting
all middle management up against a wall and shooting them (which ICL
did a short while later).


A










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Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:32:58AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
 There was a moral in this story but I forgot it in the process of
 rambling on.  Probably something about munging Reply-To, or putting
 all middle management up against a wall and shooting them (which ICL
 did a short while later).

Was this simple yet violent process found to be of benefit to the
company?

michael



Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Andy Wardley

On Jan 24, 11:07am, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 The line I heard was "they decided to line up all the inept middle
 managers at ICL up aganst a wall but they couldn't find a wll long
 enough..."

That's frighteningly close to being true.

I worked at ICL Bracknell 01, the large building you see coming into
Bracknell from the A322.  On the bottom floor we had the humungous
machine hall which accounted for about 2/3rds of the floor space.  There
were offices surrounding it.  People did work here.  The machine room
was 2 floors high so the first floor had only the offices around the
edge and a gallery looking down onto the tops of all the boxes in the
machine room.  People did work here.

The 3rd floor was for sales and marketing suits.  They did what they would
claim was "work" here.  There were a few small groups of people on the
5th floor who also did some real "work".  But apart from them, the upper
8 floors of the building were all management.  Managers progressed up the
company and up the building.

In the late eighties, ICL was bleeding money and got bought out by
Fujitsu, presumably at a knock-down rate.  They kept the top floor and
the bottom 3 floors and kicked the rest out.  The people that is, not
the actual floors themselves.  Unfortunately, the few people who did
survive the culling were generally the really useless twats who spent
their time colouring their noses the right shade of brown and making
sure that they weren't the first ones up against the wall when the
revolution came.  Such is the way.

Nevertheless, I was amused that I went from being 13 layers of management
separation away from Peter Bonfield, the man at the top, to only 4 away.
But he still didn't answer my calls or accept the invitation for a beer
after work.   :-(


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Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Andy Wardley wrote:
 
 Meanwhile, the usual bunch of know-nothing, self-important idiots with
 nothing better to do (i.e. failed middle management moved sideways to
 another middle managment position) starting sending replies to everyone
 demanding that they stop being sent duplicate copies of all these different
 emails.  cc'd to 'icl', of course, because the default (using OfficePower,
 a truly jank ICL middleware system) was to simply copy the To: and CC: list
 from the original message.
 

OfficePower *sigh* I wrote an X.400 - SMTP gateway for that once - in
Perl (4) of Course.

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