Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-21 Thread Rob Partington

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Ian Brayshaw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 (... Mind you, it all looks lovely(?) and dandy(?) under IE ... you've got 
 to love the "near enough is good enough" approach of M$ ...)

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-21 Thread Rob Partington

In message 20010418220311.VUOR29087.viemta05@localhost,
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It compiles with a small tweak to the Makefile and removal of
the stupid sys_errlist[] declaration in one of the .c files.
Seems to work fine, so far.
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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:10:15PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 
 Is it just me or is OS X's sendmail broken out of the box?
 Apr 18 16:10:03 localhost sendmail[578]: My unqualified host name (localhost) 
unknown; sleeping for retry
 
Have to be honest and didn't bother finding out. One of the first things I did
was install the port of Postfix which completely replaced sendmail. Then I 
just copied across my config file :-)

I think some of sendmail's problems are to do with getting Netinfo set-up
properly, but I'm not sure abd could be talking out of somewhere fundemental.

Neil.



Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Jon Galliers

I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored and 
checked out the site further

 (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is quite,
 um, entertaining ...)

It seems Burak Kanber (bk?) is Chris's best friend.

Not bad for a 13 year old though, ('legal' disclaimers excepted). They both 
should really get out more (and I should get on with some work).


Jon




Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Tony Bowden

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at 
 me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

 "And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
 you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
 in a programming match."

Tony
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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:29:03AM +0100, Jon Galliers wrote:
 I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored and 
 checked out the site further
 
  (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is quite,
  um, entertaining ...)
 
 Not bad for a 13 year old though

Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I get is
the title image.

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RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:58 AM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:29:03AM +0100, Jon Galliers wrote:
  I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored
and 
  checked out the site further
  
  (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is
quite,
  um, entertaining ...)
  
  Not bad for a 13 year old though
 
 Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I get is
 the title image.

Yeah. It doesn't work at all in Netscape. Works in IE tho'. That generally
means that the tables are broken somewhere along the line.

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Ian Brayshaw

Dave Cantrell wrote:

Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I
get is the title image.

Got to love badly formed HTML (probably a missing /table tag or two). ... 
And I thought he was an "master". ... Oops, sorry, that was only in "PERL", 
not HTML.

(... Mind you, it all looks lovely(?) and dandy(?) under IE ... you've got 
to love the "near enough is good enough" approach of M$ ...)


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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
  Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at
  me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

  "And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
  you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
  in a programming match."


I think I should take him up on it - who said life was fair :)

I guess you lot count as 'any supporter'.

/J\




RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:19 AM

 Dave Cantrell wrote:
 
 Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I
 get is the title image.
 
 Got to love badly formed HTML (probably a missing /table tag or two).
... 
 And I thought he was an "master". ... Oops, sorry, that was only in
"PERL", 
 not HTML.

Running the page thru an HTML validator is an interesting experience.

http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstoredscripts
.virtualave.net%2Finput=yes

And, yes, towards the end it says: 

Line 146, character 111: 
... ogramming All Rights Reserved
 ^
Error: end tag for TABLE omitted; possible causes include a missing end tag,
improper nesting of elements, or use of an element where it is not allowed

Which will cause all of the table to be invisible in Netscape.

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:26:52AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

   "And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
   you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
   in a programming match."
 
 I think I should take him up on it - who said life was fair :)

Can I be the impartial adjudicator?  Oh please!

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago.
 Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and
 seemed uncomfortable with me being there.
 
 
 Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real
 go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
 
 
 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...

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RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:34 AM

 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago.
  Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and
  seemed uncomfortable with me being there.
  
  
  Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real
  go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
  
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 
 Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...

The concept of locking is so far beyond the grasp of these people that I
conveniently ignored it :)

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:33:53AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 
 Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...

Ha ha, we both just posted simultaneously  -- I think between our
posts we should have *that* problem sorted. Amazing, in retrospect,
how ludicrously complex it all is. (Welcome to Unix, thanks for
grep'ing, have a nice day. [WTUTFGHAND])

Paul



Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:34 AM
 
  Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago.
   Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and
   seemed uncomfortable with me being there.
   
   
   Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real
   go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
   
   http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
  
  Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...
 
 The concept of locking is so far beyond the grasp of these people that I
 conveniently ignored it :)

There is that. Actually, I'm considering downloading the source of the
web board software that's being used and doing a hatchet job of a code
review on it. Maybe it'll surprise me and be well written...

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The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross


Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago. Simon 
mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and seemed 
uncomfortable with me being there.

Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at 
me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

Enjoy,

Dave...


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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 

JS! stop it i'm replying!

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
  
 
 JS! stop it i'm replying!

LOL at Greg's post.

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Greg McCarroll



*grins*



* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago. Simon 
 mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and seemed 
 uncomfortable with me being there.
 
 Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at 
 me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
 
 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 
 Enjoy,
 
 Dave...
 
 
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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
  
 
  JS! stop it i'm replying!

LOL at Greg's post.

Greg++



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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross

At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
  
 
  JS! stop it i'm replying!

LOL at Greg's post.

And now this in a new thread:

"Usually BK is the right one. And from what I see, the codes your are 
handing out are a bumch of BS. The codes maybe right but they are a long 
way of doing things and I agree with BK. The help you give out is really 
not that great."

Dave...



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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
   * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   
http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
   
  
   JS! stop it i'm replying!
 
 LOL at Greg's post.

 Greg++


You've upset them now :

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4473

/J\




Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:13 18/04/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

  At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

   
JS! stop it i'm replying!
  
  LOL at Greg's post.
 
  Greg++
 

You've upset them now :

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4473

I dunno. You try to do a nice thing for people

Some of the most fun on the board can be found by reading member's personal 
profiles:

bk:http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=bk
Chris: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=chris

Dave...



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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:20:51PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:

 bk:http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=bk
 Chris: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=chris

ROFLMAO!

and for your edification, 'chris' just wrote in reply to jns:

" And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
  you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
  in a programming match. "

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:20:51PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 At 22:13 18/04/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 
   At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
   On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   
 * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 

 JS! stop it i'm replying!
   
   LOL at Greg's post.
  
   Greg++
  
 
 You've upset them now :
 
 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4473
 
 I dunno. You try to do a nice thing for people
 
 Some of the most fun on the board can be found by reading member's personal 
 profiles:
 
 bk:http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=bk
 Chris: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=chris
 
One does have to wonder about someone called [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)
Kinda say's it all

Neil.



Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:20:51PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 I dunno. You try to do a nice thing for people
 
 Some of the most fun on the board can be found by reading member's personal 
 profiles:
 
 bk:http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=bk
 Chris: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=chris
 
And interestingly they both have websites hosted on virtualave.net u

(Okay I was bored and followed the links)

Neil.



Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Roger Horne

On Wed 18 Apr, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:20:51PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 
  bk:http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=bk
  Chris: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?profile=chris
 
 ROFLMAO!
 
 and for your edification, 'chris' just wrote in reply to jns:
 
 " And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
   you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
   in a programming match. "
 
But they *are* only children. ("Chris" claims to be 13 and I bet the others
are not much older.)

Far more interesting is that Castro claims that the "profiles" are copyright
1998 Elizabeth Castro.

(Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is quite,
um, entertaining ...)

   
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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Wednesday, April 18, 2001, at 11:55  PM, Neil Ford wrote:

 One does have to wonder about someone called [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)
 Kinda say's it all

 Neil.


Apparently 13 years old. Bless.


(Apologies if this comes through as HTML mail - i'm trying to get mail 
set up on OS X, but can't get nmh to work, so I'm using OS X's Mail at 
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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:55:20PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:

 One does have to wonder about someone called [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)
 Kinda say's it all

Yeah, psy-cop I can understand, but what on earth is rograming, and why
would he want to do it to psy-cops?

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Neil Ford

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:03:20AM +0200, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
 
 (Apologies if this comes through as HTML mail - i'm trying to get mail 
 set up on OS X, but can't get nmh to work, so I'm using OS X's Mail at 
 the moment. Will hack tools in Perl, though.)
 
Use Mutt :-) You'll have to re-compile ncurses (the port is b0rked :-( ), but
it works lovely.

Neil.



Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 12:12  AM, Neil Ford wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:03:20AM +0200, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

 (Apologies if this comes through as HTML mail - i'm trying to get mail
 set up on OS X, but can't get nmh to work, so I'm using OS X's Mail at
 the moment. Will hack tools in Perl, though.)

 Use Mutt :-) You'll have to re-compile ncurses (the port is 
 b0rked :-( ), but
 it works lovely.

 Neil.

I have installed mutt, but just can't warm to it. I like nmh, and using 
the Mail::Box family of modules, I'll rewrite those tools in Perl 
(sometime this summer, where there will be SpareTime). Until then, Mac 
Mail seems to do.

It seems like a good opportunity to question taking the availability of 
a lot of things as a given. For example, nmh. And graphviz - just can't 
get it to work, and not just because of fonts. Or sendmail - I haven't 
really used it much, just to route my personal mail; but  if certain 
basic tools were available in Perl, they'd run wherever Perl runs.

Ah, independence.

Marcel

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:20:45AM +0200, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
 get it to work, and not just because of fonts. Or sendmail - I haven't 
 really used it much, just to route my personal mail;

I ported exim to OS X last week, it was very easy and runs fine
(qmail was a dog). Give me another day or so and there'll be a shiny
maildir-supporting POP daemon...

Is it just me or is OS X's sendmail broken out of the box?
Apr 18 16:10:03 localhost sendmail[578]: My unqualified host name (localhost) unknown; 
sleeping for retry

Paul