Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:46:43PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 nahh .. not much of a games fan .. so 3d is rather wasted on me .. but
 I'll keep winders (which is already annoying the F..k out of me [1]) fo
 rthngs like Autoroute and the like, which are actually very good .. in a
 windoze sort of way.

vmware is your friend.  I use it for Autoroute and Amipro.  I installed
Win98 in vmware.

   first time I've used windoze in a year or
 so and its anoying the hell out of me so far. 

I had to use Windows very briefly today (I wanted to see if my PCMCIA
hard disk was supported).  It was.  But it still annoyed me by its
horrible clunkiness.  But what *really* pissed me off is that Windows
will not let me re-partition that disk.  Presumably because the disk
has a Sun disklabel on it.  Piece of shit.  Fuck knows how I'm going
to fix that.  Hopefully if I delete the partitions under Solaris then
Windows will be able to re-partition it.  I really don't want to have
to build a new Linux kernel with Sun disklabel support, cos I have
no idea whether this device is supported or not.

I want to use it to transfer stuff from my sister's old Doze laptop to
her new one.  I don't have enough NICs to do it properly, and using
a PCMCIA SCSI card and a CD burner seems like overkill :-)

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Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:05:18AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account
  name during install?
  
  I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally
  hosed  useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient
 
 That would be it. Root on Mac OS X is a special user that by default isn't
 enabled and doesn't have a home directory, etc.
 
 You probably need to re-install and choose a normal user name. This user will

What, how about bin? Or mail? Or daemon? :-)

OS X really shouldn't've let me use a system name. Doh!

 be set up as an administrator and have pretty good access rights. For easy
 access you can do 'sudo tcsh' or if you want to enable root via
 Applications|Utilities|NetInfo - it's a menu option.

Thanks!

Anyone played with Project Builder?

Paul



Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-28 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:35:25AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:05:18AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
  On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
   I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account
   name during install?
   
   I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally
   hosed  useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient
  
  That would be it. Root on Mac OS X is a special user that by default isn't
  enabled and doesn't have a home directory, etc.
  
  You probably need to re-install and choose a normal user name. This user will
 
 What, how about bin? Or mail? Or daemon? :-)
 
 OS X really shouldn't've let me use a system name. Doh!
 
Remember, OS X is an operating system especially designed for idi^H^H^Hmummies
and daddies.[1]

They are just going to put in their name. And why do you think /bin is hidden
in the finder? It would be the first thing to go in the trash if it wasn't.

Neil.

[1] obviously plagariesed reference. Anyone? ;-)

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Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread James Powell

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:59:18AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 mmm .. 
 
 by some dint of fate I appear to be the proud owner of a rather nice new
 Dell laptop.
 
 Bit slow ( 850mhz P3 ) and 128 mb of ram is hardly enough to run Vi in is
 it ..  a poxy 32Gb hard disc means I'll probably run out of space soon
 too. (thinks .. this is considerably more powerful than my workstation ..
 h..)

Sounds acceptable to me, I'll have it if you don't want it.

Alternatively if anyone has one of the titanium macs going spare?

 all I need to do now is partition magic it and install Linux ... does
 anyone know if fips.exe can resize partitons without hoovering the lot ??
 or shuold I get partition magic anyway ?

I've found gnu parted to be good - should be able to get it on a linux
boot disk somewhere.


jp



Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:59:18AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 mmm .. 
 
 by some dint of fate I appear to be the proud owner of a rather nice new
 Dell laptop.
 
 Bit slow ( 850mhz P3 ) and 128 mb of ram is hardly enough to run Vi in is
 it ..  a poxy 32Gb hard disc means I'll probably run out of space soon
 too. (thinks .. this is considerably more powerful than my workstation ..
 h..)

*grin*

 the best bit is the video card .. 32mb ATI Mobility  .. runs two monitors
 in 1400 * 1050 high colour .. and you can move between one and the other
 (just like you;ve been able to do on Macs since the years dot.) ..  the
 15in 1400*1050 screen is good too and seems to allow a decent viewing
 angle instead of the usual 5 degrees or so.

I have an ATI Mobility M1 in my laptop, too (Vaio z600tek).  You'll be
glad to know that it's supported under XFree86.  The bad news is that 3d
acceleration isn't supported (and I don't know whether it's likely to
be), so leave a winders partition lying around if you want to play
games.

 all I need to do now is partition magic it and install Linux ... does
 anyone know if fips.exe can resize partitons without hoovering the lot ??
 or shuold I get partition magic anyway ?

Fips should be able to.  All it does is shrink your FAT partition (NTFS
need not apply).  When looking at the partition table, also, don't
change the 4th partition towards the end of the disk, if there is one.
It's the suspend to disk partition (can't remember what id it is, sorry :-(  )

-Dom



Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Piers Cawley

James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:59:18AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  mmm .. 
  
  by some dint of fate I appear to be the proud owner of a rather nice new
  Dell laptop.
  
  Bit slow ( 850mhz P3 ) and 128 mb of ram is hardly enough to run Vi in is
  it ..  a poxy 32Gb hard disc means I'll probably run out of space soon
  too. (thinks .. this is considerably more powerful than my workstation ..
  h..)
 
 Sounds acceptable to me, I'll have it if you don't want it.
 
 Alternatively if anyone has one of the titanium macs going spare?

Mmm neeed...

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Piers




Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels

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 Alternatively if anyone has one of the titanium macs going spare?

I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 32Mb
RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb upgrade
and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that all my OS9
applications will still work (my wife uses Clarisworks for WP, and the kids
play their games), does anyone know if this is the case.

And also, will I be able to install perl,apache,mysql and other *nix
goodness on it too - I've never gotten to grips with macperl really.

/Robert




Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Leo Lapworth

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:15:00AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 
 I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 32Mb
 RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb upgrade
 and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that all my OS9
 applications will still work (my wife uses Clarisworks for WP, and the kids
 play their games), does anyone know if this is the case.

Not 100% about this, in theory yes, but Netscape for example bombs out
unless you do things in a specific order (e.g. make a connection
before opening the browser.

 And also, will I be able to install perl,apache,mysql and other *nix
 goodness on it too - I've never gotten to grips with macperl really.

Perl - Yes,
Apache - Yes
MySQL - Yes
Xwindows - Yes.

All of the above have been ported or work. And apparently it's
very simple to port most *nix type apps, what with is being BSD
underneath (there are a few minor differences to standard BSD,
in terms of compiling).

Leo



Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 09:43:44AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 Fips should be able to.  All it does is shrink your FAT partition (NTFS
 need not apply).  When looking at the partition table, also, don't
 change the 4th partition towards the end of the disk, if there is one.
 It's the suspend to disk partition (can't remember what id it is, sorry :-(  )

a0 IIRC, although some machines put it at the beginning of the disk, some
at the end.

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Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-27 Thread Neil Ford

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 11:41:17AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mysql has been ported to OSX. You can find it at
 
   http://www-u.life.uiuc.edu/~mwvaugh/MacOSX/Packages/
 
 I was playing with it for a while and it seems fairly stable.
 The only real problem I had was installing DBD::mysql which
 couldn't find libraries etc. Finally I found a guide at
 
   http://invictus.usask.ca/macosx/
 
 and everything went hunkdory.
 
 Well that's my first post out the way, I'm going to go and hide again now.
 
 Steve

You should be ashamed sir, a first post that was vaguely on topic and helpful
into the bargain. What are things coming too :-)

Thanks for the info btw - most useful.

Neil.
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Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Chris Devers

At 10:15 AM 27.3.2001 +0100, Robert Sheils wrote:
I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 
32Mb RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb
upgrade and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that
all my OS9 applications will still work (my wife uses Clarisworks for WP,
and the kids play their games), does anyone know if this is the case.

I've got about the same setup, but with 64 mb. It's really slow for me, though not as 
bad as the public beta was. Running it with 128 or more would definitely be 
adviseable. 

I haven't yet noticed any problems (mainly because Classic brings everything to a 
creeping halt with 64 mb of ram, so I'm avoiding it as much as possible), but as I've 
mentioned on (void), I keep hearing complaints about some applications not playing 
nicely, particularly with regard to the way OSX/Mach manages memory -- i.e. apps that 
only worked on OS9 when you disabled virtual memory don't work now because OSX doesn't 
seem to let you mess around with memory settings. Aside from that though, I'm not 
having any trouble with it. 

And also, will I be able to install perl,apache,mysql and other *nix
goodness on it too - I've never gotten to grips with macperl really.

Comes preinstalled with, among others, Apache, Java, OpenSSL, Perl, PHP, TCL, tcsh 
(and sh, csh,  zsh), etc. I'm booted into OS9 at the moment, so I can't browse the 
various */bin directories, but it comes with a pretty standard unixy toolkit (except 
for ssh). I thought I saw something about PostgreSQL being installed, but I may be 
imagining it now. 





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Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Chris Devers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 At 10:15 AM 27.3.2001 +0100, Robert Sheils wrote:
 I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with
 32Mb RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb
 upgrade and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that
 all my OS9 applications will still work (my wife uses Clarisworks for WP,
 and the kids play their games), does anyone know if this is the case.

 I've got about the same setup, but with 64 mb. It's really slow for me,
though not as bad as the public beta was. Running it with 128 or more would
definitely be adviseable.

Thanks for everyone's advice on this, as an inveterate bit-fiddler, I will
probably go for the whole package just so I can play with everything. My
family can just boot it into OS9 for their stuff.

One more thing, is my 4Gb drive enough...

/Robert




Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-27 Thread Paul Makepeace

I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account
name during install?

I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally
hosed  useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient
Privileges), all Applications in Finder appears as folders, all
non-Finder applications in the Dock are presented as folders and
not executable ("Can't find associated application to run this"-type
message). I can't get a terminal either (Apple-K then 127.0.0.1 didn't
work). And I find myself Capitalizing words all the time :-)

Paul



Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-27 Thread Neil Ford

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account
 name during install?
 
 I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally
 hosed  useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient

That would be it. Root on Mac OS X is a special user that by default isn't
enabled and doesn't have a home directory, etc.

You probably need to re-install and choose a normal user name. This user will
be set up as an administrator and have pretty good access rights. For easy
access you can do 'sudo tcsh' or if you want to enable root via
Applications|Utilities|NetInfo - it's a menu option.

Neil.
-- 
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Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-26 Thread Robin Szemeti

mmm .. 

by some dint of fate I appear to be the proud owner of a rather nice new
Dell laptop.

Bit slow ( 850mhz P3 ) and 128 mb of ram is hardly enough to run Vi in is
it ..  a poxy 32Gb hard disc means I'll probably run out of space soon
too. (thinks .. this is considerably more powerful than my workstation ..
h..)

the best bit is the video card .. 32mb ATI Mobility  .. runs two monitors
in 1400 * 1050 high colour .. and you can move between one and the other
(just like you;ve been able to do on Macs since the years dot.) ..  the
15in 1400*1050 screen is good too and seems to allow a decent viewing
angle instead of the usual 5 degrees or so.

all I need to do now is partition magic it and install Linux ... does
anyone know if fips.exe can resize partitons without hoovering the lot ??
or shuold I get partition magic anyway ?

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!