Re: tape changes
on 5/6/01 10:31 am, Robin Szemeti wrote: hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? No :) But hopefully you wouldn't need to go there that often (just when the root password expires ho hum). I think there best selling point is shown in one of their newsgroups nildram.service - you've got Adrian, the MD, telling customers to complain more, and telling off ex-Nildram staffers for justifying when things go wrong. c. (8.2gb a month and rising) -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: tape changes
on 4/6/01 11:29 pm, Chris Benson wrote: OTOH It makes Nildram's gbp2000 p.a. including 15mins of technician/day to do whatever you need seem very good value. I have one of those. Nildram couldn't be more helpful. I've even had to visit my box on occasion (ok, so they're in Aylesbury, but it's only an hour away from London by train). As long as you've got a reasonable request, they're happy to fulfill it. When I had an FM server at Easynet, tape changing was considered part of the package as well. 15 quid a shot sounds expensive to me - 15 quid a week is sort of justifiable if it is a dirt-cheap host. c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Chris Heathcote wrote: on 4/6/01 11:29 pm, Chris Benson wrote: OTOH It makes Nildram's gbp2000 p.a. including 15mins of technician/day to do whatever you need seem very good value. I have one of those. Nildram couldn't be more helpful. I've even had to visit my box on occasion (ok, so they're in Aylesbury, but it's only an hour away from London by train). As long as you've got a reasonable request, they're happy to fulfill it. so thats another big vote for Nildram then .. When I had an FM server at Easynet, tape changing was considered part of the package as well. yeah .. the bit that irked me is we never so much as even ring up and annoy them, we haven't even had to have our reset button pressed once in a years hosting ..and when you ask for a tape change once a month its 15 bleedin' quid .. g .. I'd sort of accepted that when: them 'we'll start charging 15 quid a month from the 1st of june' me 'no .. the 1st of july .. the June tapes already in, and we did that ourselves' them 'we could just take your tape out till the 1st of july ...' 15 quid a shot sounds expensive to me - 15 quid a week is sort of justifiable if it is a dirt-cheap host. hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: tape changes
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: [hosting providers] so thats another big vote for Nildram then .. [snip] hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html MBM
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: [hosting providers] so thats another big vote for Nildram then .. [snip] hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html looks good .. apart from the pounds per U ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
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On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: [hosting providers] so thats another big vote for Nildram then .. [snip] hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html looks good .. apart from the pounds per U ... Fair enough. I think that it's actually pretty reasonable when all's said and done, given the location etc. They are very clued up, and the point of the company is more to provide the best service they can (the people who run it have other day jobs). MBM
Re: tape changes
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: [hosting providers] so thats another big vote for Nildram then .. [snip] hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html looks good .. apart from the pounds per U ... Fair enough. I think that it's actually pretty reasonable when all's said and done, given the location etc. They are very clued up, and the point of the company is more to provide the best service they can (the people who run it have other day jobs). indeed .. it does look good .. but since we just have a plain vanilla non-rackmount box it would push it up a bit ... but there again we saved on the cost of kit I guess ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? There's some nice villages outside... ;-) Question - how much data you got? dunno .. never counted it :) ... probably no more than a couple of giggle bites in the /home tree .. and a 50 megs in mysql I guess. there are quite a lot of small sites on there ... tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi? Can you rsync to your local network? yeah .. thats what we do with some of the sites ... the rest are left for their owners to update in the normal ftp sorta way. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: tape changes
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? There's some nice villages outside... ;-) Question - how much data you got? dunno .. never counted it :) ... probably no more than a couple of giggle bites in the /home tree .. and a 50 megs in mysql I guess. there are quite a lot of small sites on there ... tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi? why arse with tapes when you can mirror? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Question - how much data you got? tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi? why arse with tapes when you can mirror? we did consider that .. and prior to 'arsing with tapes' that what we dun .. but it was eating at a not inconsderable rate into our meagre bandwidth allowance ... I take the point though ... looking over the logs the incrementals each day amount to around 20 megs .. thats 20 megs * 30 days = 600 megs .. thats quite a chunk out of a 2gb monthly bandwidth allowance. ahh .. by 'localnet' I guess you meant the 'localnet' at the colo facility .. in which case I suspect they'd charge us more than 15 quid just fo rhaving a non-internetted box their on the shlef .. and part of the goodness of tapes is that you can at least move em easily off site incase of damage by fire/flood/vampires/cleavage -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
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On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: of a 2gb monthly bandwidth allowance. Oh my lord -- I shift over a gig a day just thru' the freenet node and that's on a crappy DSL line. Remind me to whine less when Pacific [HB]ell messes with the connection... the goodness of tapes is that you can at least move em easily off site incase of damage by fire/flood/vampires/cleavage Tapes getting ravished by cleavage? Well, I guess what you lack in bandwidth gets made up in other areas... Paul, jealous -- Disciplined self-indulgence
Re: tape changes
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Question - how much data you got? tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi? why arse with tapes when you can mirror? we did consider that .. and prior to 'arsing with tapes' that what we dun .. but it was eating at a not inconsderable rate into our meagre bandwidth allowance ... I take the point though ... looking over the logs the incrementals each day amount to around 20 megs .. thats 20 megs * 30 days = 600 megs .. thats quite a chunk out of a 2gb monthly bandwidth allowance. Well, get them to discount local bandwidth. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: tape changes
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Well, get them to discount local bandwidth. too late ... I installed a tape drive :) .. and its got a light on the front and everything ... :) spose I'll have to buy a copy of BRU now .. or should I trust it to a dodgy collection of shell scripts .. hmm .. decisions decisions. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
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On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Question - how much data you got? tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi? why arse with tapes when you can mirror? we did consider that .. and prior to 'arsing with tapes' that what we dun .. but it was eating at a not inconsderable rate into our meagre bandwidth allowance ... I take the point though ... Were you being careful to only back up that which needed to be backed up? Were you using rsync-over-ssh and not plain ol' scp? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Good advice is always certain to be ignored, but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie
tape changes
umm .. so .. you people with boxen in various places .. quick show of hands: is 15 quid a shot cheap [ ] normal [ ] expensive [ ] for lobbing a dat tape into a box and slinging in a new one? -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
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On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 08:04:46PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: is 15 quid a shot cheap [ ] normal [ ] expensive [ ] for lobbing a dat tape into a box and slinging in a new one? It's not Telehouse prices, but it sounds expensive to me. R
Re: tape changes
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 08:04:46PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm .. so .. you people with boxen in various places .. quick show of hands: is 15 quid a shot cheap [ ] normal[ ] expensive [ ] for lobbing a dat tape into a box and slinging in a new one? That seemed the going rate for the dirt-cheap boxhosters I looked at. OTOH It makes Nildram's gbp2000 p.a. including 15mins of technician/day to do whatever you need seem very good value. RANTThis is the difference between a company looking at every person as a cost centre who has to earn their keep (by screwing the customer as often and as deeply as possible) and someone looking to provide a service by offering the customer what they need./RANT (I also liked that boxen at Nildram were only a link or two from LYNX while a couple of the large co-locators I considered were 10 hops inside BT's tangled web away). -- Chris Benson * unsolicited free recommendations a speciality *
