Re: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary

2001-01-08 Thread Robert Shiels
dcross - David Cross wrote: If I don't hear any objections by the end of tomorrow, I'm going to appoint Simon as official pub organiser and suggest we try the BBB for the Feb meeting (the McCarroll heretics can, of course, have their meeting the following week wherever they

Re: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary

2001-01-08 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: dcross - David Cross wrote: If I don't hear any objections by the end of tomorrow, I'm going to appoint Simon as official pub organiser and suggest we try the BBB for the Feb meeting (the McCarroll heretics can, of course, have

RE: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary

2001-01-08 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Sounds like they're just not accustomed to the social behaviour of geeks. We do bring in some money for them, though - on days when no one else would, so they better adapt to service us. In my experience it's geeks who are not accustomed to the social behaviour of everyone else (not

Re: Teaching Java and Perl

2001-01-08 Thread Mark Rogaski
An entity claiming to be Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : So really it's Pascal all over again - if you only teach them one : language, it's what they'll always use. If you teach them two, : they may just possibly see the similarities and start to generalise : to the class of

Re: Technical Meeting

2001-01-08 Thread Andy Wardley
On Jan 5, 1:35pm, Neil Ford wrote: Double dose of Andy Alex (abw get's to drink cold beer) More Andy Piers to close. That's OK by me, but I don't want to trample over anyone else who'd like to speak. How about I do a 20 minute session on Pod::POM and TT views, take a break while Alex

Re: German Perl Workshop

2001-01-08 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: oh well i've just got another 4.5 days (ish) of drinking left before its dry january - apart from time during the month of january spent abroad or places i can claim are abroad Ah, so you'll be spending a lot of time in

RE: Books

2001-01-08 Thread dcross - David Cross
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 January 2001 14:53 David Hodgkinson wrote: Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And anyway, computing by publisher is getting a lot better. You just browse O'Reilly, Addison Wesley and Prentice Hall. Heretic. Manning publish

Re: German Perl Workshop

2001-01-08 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Matthew Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Grep: right who put the Grep in? own up! is Edinburgh foreign? ;-) Well, when we declare the independence of the PRoWY, you'll be welcome up for some of our dirt cheap, CAMRA-approved ale. You could even nominate someone to be first against the

Re: Fwd: [orwant@oreilly.com: The state of TPJ]

2001-01-08 Thread Philip Newton
Dave Cross wrote: EarthWeb has also made it clear that they don't want to publish TPJ any more. Hm, this brings back very strong memories of yapc::Europe. Specifically, the pre-conference meet in Penderel's Oak, when I first met Kevin Lenzo. From what I recall of the conversation, he said that

Re: German Perl Workshop

2001-01-08 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 02:34:19PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Sent: 08 January 2001 15:32 well i decided that the east india club was foreign enough to count That is _so_ cheating. But it's _so_ nice in there that I think it's allowed. --

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread Nathan Torkington
Michael Stevens writes: I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like printed copies of. Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the book was nothing more than the online manual :-) Nat

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 08:25:54AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: Michael Stevens writes: I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like printed copies of. Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the book was nothing more than the online manual

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-08 Thread Philip Newton
David Cantrell wrote: DJGPP is a DOS port of the gnu stuff. It's still good enough to build Perl from source. I speak from experience :-). (Though I believe sockets don't work on djgpp-built Perl :-(.) Cheers, Philip

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 08:25:54AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: Michael Stevens writes: I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like printed copies of. Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that

Re: Teaching Java and Perl

2001-01-08 Thread Andy Wardley
It's possibly a blatant over-generalisation, but I get the impression that most Java programmers are the people who learn whatever language the marketing people tell them is the latest, coolest langauge, and/or whatever languge they can earn most money contracting in. Unfortunately, that

Re: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary

2001-01-08 Thread Leon Brocard
dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether: Thu 18th Jan Technical Meeting - State 51 I'm willing to do, ahem, redo a lightning talk on the Perl Monger World Map. This time I won't be in the middle of organising a Perl conference, and it'll be much more fun, although

RE: Teaching Java and Perl

2001-01-08 Thread Jon Galliers
I've been reading this discussion with interest[1], as we are in just that process of deciding how best to develop 'web solutions' fast enough for clients, bless their sweet hearts, and whether Java or Perl is the best 'tool' for the job. My personal feelings echo sentiments expressed earlier in

PHP FUD

2001-01-08 Thread David Hodgkinson
Nice one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15862.html -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire

Print on Demand (Re: one liner)

2001-01-08 Thread Andy Wardley
On Jan 8, 8:25am, Nathan Torkington wrote: Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the book was nothing more than the online manual :-) Hmmm. I can see it working if you take a slightly different perspective on it. Let's say O'Reilly acts as a content provider. In

Hiring

2001-01-08 Thread David Hodgkinson
I mentioned this a London.pm last week but Reading Room are hiring. Perl, database, Linux/Unix, designers, HTML slaves, producers, project managers. If you are "polishing up your portfolio site" right now and you want to work somewhere manic, challenging and where you get to do lots of neat

Hiring

2001-01-08 Thread David Hodgkinson
Given another spate of layoffs last week, I'd just like to point out that Reading Room are hiring good Perl, Linux/Solaris/Anything, MySQL/Oracle/DBS/Anything hackers. Also interested in project managers/producers and good designers/HTML slaves. If you know anyone good who is know, um,

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread Nathan Torkington
I wrote: I'm shit-scared of talking about books in progress, in case I jinx them. We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than "Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at that book. In particular, look for examples. Nat

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 04:44:53PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: [re: ORA] yip they have the pretty cover animals as well ;-) I would just like to point out at this juncture that monkeys are funny. cheers, dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Perl should

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:14:59AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than "Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at that book. In particular, look for examples. Oh, and Amazon.com have the Learning Tk

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread Dave Cross
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:22:31PM +, Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:14:59AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than "Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at

Re: Much Coolness XML Wise.

2001-01-08 Thread Benjamin Holzman
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:06:28PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote: I've just spent three hours playing with XML::Generator and md5 checksums, I was having problems building hash's of hash's with the module (Seems to only add the last one in a foreach loop to the XML. Gotta be me :)) and then with