Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Steve Mynott
Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:54:04PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: Since the majority of UK programmers work in London they are less than likely to want to attend a conference there in peak holiday season IMHO Actually I'd rather it not be in

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip discussion about legal aspects re using a camel smoking a joint on a t-shirt. If these are private individuals selling t-shirts, may I suggest just omitting the word 'perl' from anywhere on the t-shirt. Then O'Reilly's trademark issues

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly. IMHO they're a nice company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has nothing to do with it. I think this is a _very_ good point. On a

RE: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Jonathan Peterson
On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. It's not obvious! I listened to

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
David Cantrell writes: Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver:

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly. IMHO they're a nice company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has nothing to do with it. I think

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread alex
In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. Alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At 17 Jan 2001 10:09:29 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Puff the Magic Dragon] Snopes has this to say: http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:14:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know exactly what I'm doing. Dave... [who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23.

Re: Godzilla

2001-01-17 Thread Philip Newton
Simon Wistow wrote: ... it's your birthday [0] Well it's probably not. But it is mine. I'll be drowning my sorrows in Southside bar (south east corner of Princes Gardens, SW7 [1]) from about 6:30pm onwards (or possibly earlier) if anybody wants to buy me a drink. Do you accept PayPal?

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread James Powell
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. Yeah

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread James Powell
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:47:37AM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote: David Cantrell writes: Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all. After all, if my employers are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to send me somewhere nice. Rome. Or Vienna perhaps,

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Vienna] This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Gareth Harper
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Joe Dolce Shaddap ya face -Original Message- From: Dave Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2001 12:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:09:46 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic! It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the meeting on Thursday to collect :) (I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the lurkers out of hiding :)

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Leon Brocard
Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august, but

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Philip Newton
Leon Brocard wrote: Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dean S Wilson
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. I could go with

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena
On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. I thought it was about 'chasing

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agadoo. Forget it. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire

Forwarded : [announce] two new languages (fwd)

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
havent had a chance ot look at these yet, but they sound like the sort of thing some of you sick^H^H^H^Himaginative people would enjoy - Forwarded message from Jeff Pinyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - X-Authentication-Warning: mccarroll.demon.co.uk: Host [127.0.0.1] claimed to be localhost

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Leon Brocard
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)? Once a venue has been found, things will start to happen. Give it a couple of weeks. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/

Re: Godzilla

2001-01-17 Thread Simon Wistow
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon Wistow wrote: ... it's your birthday [0] Well it's probably not. But it is mine. I'll be drowning my sorrows in Southside bar (south east corner of Princes Gardens, SW7 [1]) from about 6:30pm onwards (or

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Jonathan Peterson
all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. Also, as it is a modern cruise

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Kieran Barry
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more.

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Wyer
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Mike Wyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. Michael

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Steve Mynott
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks.

The crack is very good today

2001-01-17 Thread Roger Burton West
Given an array full of data which need to be output as a CSV... return join(',',map{defined$_?s/"/''/g+1?/,/?"\"$_\"":$_:0:''}@{$ar})."\n"; Roger

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross
At 17 Jan 2001 15:54:31 +, Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the "Guiness Book of Hit Singles". Yeah. Great book. I should buy

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Redvers Davies
I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still. Myself and a couple of

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. That's the sucker! Neil. -- Neil C.

Re: Godzilla

2001-01-17 Thread Redvers Davies
Walk up Exhibition Rd passed Nat Hist, VA and Sci. Museum. 5 minutes tops. Make a backup plan - the road was closed this morning due to a gas explosion[0]. [0] JCB + Gas Main + Electrical Cables = 12 ft high flames.

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:25:26PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: ingestion has several downsides - lack of control of dosage (assuming you eat it at a significant lump at a time), longer effects, stronger effects (making it hard to get dosage

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Simon Wistow
Dave Cross wrote: Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Number ones on this day .. 5 years ago .. Michael Jackson - 'Earth Song' 10 .. Iron Maiden - 'Take your daughter to the slaughter' 15 ..

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Kieran Barry
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks.

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread David H. Adler
[snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion] Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I have requested that she do so if she speaks to him. dave, getting this settled. -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion] Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I have requested that she do so if she speaks to him. dave, getting this

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Gareth Harper wrote: there are sites with all the no1's, but I don't know of any with all the top tens, theres probably one around, if not, start one ;) Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is factual. Factual

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:34:21PM +, Tony Bowden wrote: If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. Roger

Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-17 Thread Paul Makepeace
Just to reinforce the point that this OS is a steaming pile of crap, and that if you're in the unfortunate situation of actually running it, watch out (130,000 nodes scanned in 15mins): http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-202-4508359-0.html Internet worm squirms into Linux servers By Robert Lemos

Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:59:56PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: Just to reinforce the point that this OS is a steaming pile of crap Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH (and all of it was also included in

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Tony Bowden wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. jsut do them as they do to you ... (or indeed as some guy is doing to the football league right

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Robin Szemeti wrote: jsut do them as they do to you ... snip the arsenal fan story ... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top 10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1 selected page from the site .. The problem would be, you still

Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: From: "Robin Houston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH (and all of it was also included in other distros). That's true -- but how easy is RH to

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10 though. You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to accuracy as anybody else. If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you better have

Online Time

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti
from this quarters BT bill I managed to accumulate 786 hours of internet time .. anyone top that? in my defence it would have been higher, but I was on holiday for 3 weeks at christmas best of all though was the price . i paid for Surfttime-anytime ... so hte ackchewerl calls came to = 0:00p

Zebware

2001-01-17 Thread Paul Makepeace
Anyone read/heard about http://www.zebware.com/ ? I just read an article on them in Open (Jan 2001) issue. In particular from their About page, "Equally important, web pages become a medium for collaboration, allowing geographically dispersed groups to seamlessly interact with each other in

RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis
Robin Szemeti wrote: and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :) Did you label the variants as Billboard charts? If not, they aren't publishing the same thing. A list of songs is not a chart. -- mike