Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 11:08:29PM +, Piers Cawley typed: And if the Big Cheese does hand down decisions that override the Minion then the contract between developer and client should stipulate that the client pays for the wasted time. Contracts _should_ say that the client pays

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Mark Fowler
Roger claimed that: This XP approach seems to require a lot more firmness in customer relations than I've ever seen - and if that firmness were present, we wouldn't need XP anyway... One of the main problems with full disclosure with the client is that it can only ever work when you've only

Damian/TPC Papers

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Cross
I see that in Damian's latest diary entry (you _are_ reading Damian's diary I assume) he talks about the ridiculous number[1] of papers, talks and tutorials that he's proposing to give at TPC5. The piece also seems to act as an advert to encourage other people to submit proposals to the

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 09:41:11AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: I've also found a lot of customers are absolute *geniuses* at fudging the issue of what they did and didn't agree to, no matter how specific you attempt to be. So get it on paper, with a signature, so you can wave it at them.

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread James O'Sullivan
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he originally said he wanted. Sometimes they do. It's quite rare, in my experience, for this payment actually to be

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Mark Fowler
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Dave Mee sent the following bits through the ether: One of the best solutions I've come accross to this problem is to take an iterative approach to development. Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:42:46 +, Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Mee sent the following bits through the ether: One of the best solutions I've come accross to this problem is to take an iterative approach to development. Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:44:11AM +, Neil Ford typed: That just has me conjering up images of turning up at a client site in a big black van (screeching tyres obligatory) and either leaping out laptops in hand or just unrollong some CAT5 and plugging into their network :-)

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Simon Wistow
Andy Wardley wrote: Having said that, I do very little "real" work at work, instead spending my time reading/writing email, chatting to people, playing table tennis, having meetings, and doing other brain dead tasks. I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my time.

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Mark Fowler
That Brocard bloke wrote: Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have changed something and can show it to the client again. This way the client really understands what he really wants. Two points: 1. This is not what the book is all about. The

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +, James O'Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he originally said he wanted. Sometimes they

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Neil Ford
On or about Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:44:11AM +, Neil Ford typed: That just has me conjering up images of turning up at a client site in a big black van (screeching tyres obligatory) and either leaping out laptops in hand or just unrollong some CAT5 and plugging into their network :-)

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: Two points: Picky, picky. Fine. I'd say that of the bits I've tested, I've found that continuous testing is a very important part. Writing the tests before the code is cool too. But you know this already ;-) Leon -- Leon

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels
So who's bankrolling the van and who wants to be BA? Neil. (whose tounge is ever so slightly on his cheek!) -- Sorry, but I can't resist pointing out that this amusing misspelling. I guess I'd pronounce this a bit like lounge. Tongue is a pretty stupid way to spell it anyway, tung would be

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Greg Cope
Neil Ford wrote: The "A-Team" - scenario is one in which a team goes in to rescue a failing project, or go in and retune/redesign an existing project that works but has become a victim of its own success. Think of this work as bespoke enhancements. That just has me conjering up images

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, you wrote: Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have changed something and can show it to the client again. This way the client really understands what he really wants. wow ... "a client that understands what they want" ... Mr

No Subject

2001-01-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
is it still 12:30 at the new world today? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

RE:

2001-01-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
is it still 12:30 at the new world today? My God, they're trapped in a time hole! It's been 12.30 here for years. Get back to the Tardis, quick!

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Steve Mynott
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, you wrote: Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have changed something and can show it to the client again. This way the client really understands what he really wants. wow ... "a

Re:

2001-01-22 Thread Neil Ford
is it still 12:30 at the new world today? That does indeed seem to be the plan. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Steve Mynott
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my time. There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter). No need to feel guilty since this is

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. I first heard about building at the end of the day in Brooke's Mythical Man Month. Continuous integration and smoke testing. Oh yes. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The overiding thing should be 'make this the very best company to work for AND the very best company to have work done by' A1 bleeding edge code written by the planets happiest programmers ... sounds like a good recipe to me. Not sure about the

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and this template toolit thing rocks dunnit .. (now I have the hang of it .. sorta) It is the rockingest thing I've rocked to since the last one. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Men in black theme - we must all have black suits - dark glasses avliable from Macy D's soon, and we can get a clapped out van from BT for next to nothing Don't forget the welding gear. Actually, I'm more for the Ghostbusters theme: boiler suits,

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my time. There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter). Often, when I do something

RE: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter). Often, when I do something that I consider really easy and spend little effort on it, I get lots of really good feedback. Glad I'm not the only

Lunch

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Lunch was fabulous if only to hear Cantrell say: "this is nice, what the hell is it?" (or something). -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun

Leftover ORA bumpf finds good home

2001-01-22 Thread DJ Adams
evidence: http://www.pipetree.com/~dj/nr.pm/jan01/ :-) dj

Re: Lunch

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Cross
At 22 Jan 2001 12:18:05 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lunch was fabulous if only to hear Cantrell say: "this is nice, what the hell is it?" (or something). Any chance of someone posting a summary of the discussion? Dave...

Re: Lunch

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any chance of someone posting a summary of the discussion? "Three bowls of noodle soup, some of those crab things on a stick, one each of the ho fun..." -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The

Re: Lunch

2001-01-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 09:18:09AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Any chance of someone posting a summary of the discussion? pdcawley: talk talk take charge talk bully us into having a clue dcantrell: is there any tea left? food: wriggle, but in a nice-tasting way NB: :-) -- David Cantrell

[OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread DJ Adams
Hi folks Am I going mad or is there no way I can start my fav client program PuTTY and specify a saved 'session' directly with a switch? (i.e. I can specify a hostname, but I _want_ to specify a session name - to have my colours / fonts etc) cheers dj

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Simon_Wilcox
I make a shortcut and then put something like this in the Target field in Properties. "C:\Program Files\Putty\putty.exe" @SessionName HTH, Simon. Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] From DJ Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date 22 January 2001

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread DJ Adams
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:40:48PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "C:\Program Files\Putty\putty.exe" @SessionName wow - excellent. Thanks. I don't think I would have come upon '@' in my guessing ;-) cheers dj

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Andy Wardley
On Jan 22, 3:33pm, Andy Wardley wrote: Please consider yourself emailed. Damn, damn, damn! OK, it was my stupid mistake that I didn't check the headers before I clicked send, but I can't help thinking that the default Reply-to header should be to the sender, not the entire group. And I also

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:52:08PM +, DJ Adams wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:47:03PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: So without wishing to start another holy war, is it possible to change too late ;) the mailing list configuration to have a more sensible default Reply-to? No no! Please

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:32:58PM +, DJ Adams wrote: Hi folks Am I going mad or is there no way I can start my fav client program PuTTY and specify a saved 'session' directly with a switch? (i.e. I can specify a hostname, but I _want_ to specify a session name - to have my colours /

Conslutency Location

2001-01-22 Thread Andy Wardley
On Jan 21, 1:20pm, Greg McCarroll wrote: potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london Surely you jest, sir! What about the M3/M4 corridor, otherwise known as "Silicon Alley"? What about places like Stockley Park (next to Heathrow), or the Surrey Research Park

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Simon Wistow
Andy Wardley wrote: So without wishing to start another holy war, is it possible to change the mailing list configuration to have a more sensible default Reply-to? rant I have arguments with Leon about this. He usually quotes 'Reply To munging considered harmful'

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Struan Donald
* at 22/01 16:22 + Simon Wistow said: Andy Wardley wrote: So without wishing to start another holy war, is it possible to change the mailing list configuration to have a more sensible default Reply-to? rant I have arguments with Leon about this. He usually quotes 'Reply To munging

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Andy Wardley wrote: So without wishing to start another holy war, is it possible to change the mailing list configuration to have a more sensible default Reply-to? rant I have arguments with Leon about this. He usually quotes 'Reply To munging

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: reply-to having the address of the sender is the right thing, it means when you reply to a message you reply to author of that message, when you reply-all you reply to all No. When you reply-all it replies to the

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels
And does anyone know how to get putty to save settings like they key for backspace, etc, rather than my having to set them every time I start it? Do you mean setting the backspace to Control-H in the keyboard tab isn't working, or are there other esoteric things you want to set? /Robert

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Struan Donald
* at 22/01 16:33 + Greg McCarroll said: * Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: actually mutt has cool mailing list functions in that you can define a mailing list in the config and then l (or L, i forget) replies to the list rather than the person. not that i want this to

Munging Reply-To

2001-01-22 Thread Andy Wardley
On Jan 22, 4:26pm, Greg McCarroll wrote: reply-to having the address of the sender is the right thing, [...] its just the right thing Nail meets hammer. thwack/ If I explicitly set the Reply-To: in a message posted to the list then the software is munging it to set it to reply to the list.

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread DJ Adams
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:26:32PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: reply-to having the address of the sender is the right thing, it means when you reply to a message you reply to author of that message, when you reply-all you reply to all trying...to...resist...AARGH! No no no! You're on a

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread DJ Adams
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:33:33PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: war implies a large struggle, this would be more like a 5 second knockout - everyone knows mutt is the one true mail client Now _that_ is something I can agree with g dj happy just to have realised he'll be able to make next

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:33:34PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: reply-to having the address of the sender is the right thing, it means when you reply to a message you reply to author of that message, when you reply-all you reply to all No. When you reply-all it replies

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:33:11PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: And does anyone know how to get putty to save settings like they key for backspace, etc, rather than my having to set them every time I start it? Do you mean setting the backspace to Control-H in the keyboard tab isn't

Re: Munging Reply-To

2001-01-22 Thread Robin Houston
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 05:10:57PM +, alex wrote: there is only one right way, and that's to give people the choice. that's what i do, and in my experience the majority prefer to have their reply-to's munged on discussive lists such as this one. I wonder whether that's really true, or

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels
i'm ignoring all your points reply-to having the address of the sender is the right thing, it means when you reply to a message you reply to author of that message, when you reply-all you reply to all its just the right thing so there Define sender then? the mailing list

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:33:11PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: And does anyone know how to get putty to save settings like they key for backspace, etc, rather than my having to set them every time I start it? Do you mean setting the backspace to Control-H in the keyboard tab isn't

Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-22 Thread Philip Newton
alex wrote: I'd prefer to do it the other way round if you don't mind, and say you have just one month to send a cheque for 50 pounds made out to C A McLean [1] to state51, 8 rhoda street, bethnal green, e2 7ef , or brought along to the next social or technical meeting. Hm, random question

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
"James O'Sullivan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he originally said he wanted. Sometimes they do. It's quite rare,

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +, James O'Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, you wrote: Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have changed something and can show it to the client again. This way the client really understands what he really wants. wow ... "a

Re: Lunch

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 09:18:09AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Any chance of someone posting a summary of the discussion? pdcawley: talk talk take charge talk bully us into having a clue Hmm... but I think we achieved rather more than that. And you

Re: Lunch

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any chance of someone posting a summary of the discussion? "Three bowls of noodle soup, some of those crab things on a stick, one each of the ho fun..." Cheung fun. The ho fun were the white noodles in my

Re: Lunch

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cheung fun. The ho fun were the white noodles in my soup. /pedant -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Simon_Wilcox
I think everything is stored on a per-session basis. So if you want something changed for all sessions you have to change and re-save each one. I think (having only ever used Putty against two machines running the same OS) ! Simon. The backspace-ctrl-h. I