Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread James Powell
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:59:18AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: mmm .. by some dint of fate I appear to be the proud owner of a rather nice new Dell laptop. Bit slow ( 850mhz P3 ) and 128 mb of ram is hardly enough to run Vi in is it .. a poxy 32Gb hard disc means I'll probably run out

Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:59:18AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: mmm .. by some dint of fate I appear to be the proud owner of a rather nice new Dell laptop. Bit slow ( 850mhz P3 ) and 128 mb of ram is hardly enough to run Vi in is it .. a poxy 32Gb hard disc means I'll probably run out

Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Piers Cawley
James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:59:18AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: mmm .. by some dint of fate I appear to be the proud owner of a rather nice new Dell laptop. Bit slow ( 850mhz P3 ) and 128 mb of ram is hardly enough to run Vi in is it .. a

Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels
- Original Message - From: "James Powell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 March 2001 09:41 Subject: Re: mmm ... toys .. Alternatively if anyone has one of the titanium macs going spare? I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 32Mb RAM. I

RE: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:22:34PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Unfortunately, the lovely Italian wine I found in caffs throughout Naples back in November does not seem to be available over here at all. Why ship the good stuff to the ignorant Brits when they can keep it for themselves?

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 05:19:12PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: Just to let you all know I'm on the market again. Me too. er.. and me. Ah. The DotCom Apocalypse :) /J\

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 05:19:12PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: Just to let you all know I'm on the market again. Me too. er.. and me. Ah. The DotCom Apocalypse :) Rumour has it that many people are bringing tech in house, which is hitting conslutancies and agencies harder. I'm

Re: upgrade fund

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:41:50PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: Usually when people talk about servers with 600 gigabytes of data its fair to assume that their will be a considerable load on them, clearly thats not the case here .. so I'm sure IDE will be just fine. 500Gb - RAID-5 means I

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rumour has it that many people are bringing tech in house, which is hitting conslutancies and agencies harder. I'm still not convinced that there's a major downturn in the total number of tech jobs. i also think there is still room for

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross
At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:08:04 +0100, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at cebit, BT devices crashed and burned - why? they had been rushed out. BT is essentially a good technology if done right, the same is true for web sites, the industry just needs to slow its self down 'BT' eq

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 10:31 27/03/2001 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Rumour has it that many people are bringing tech in house, which is hitting conslutancies and agencies harder. I'm still not convinced that there's a major downturn in the total number of tech jobs. That's exactly what we're doing. I have a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:08:04 +0100, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at cebit, BT devices crashed and burned - why? they had been rushed out. BT is essentially a good technology if done right, the same is true for web sites, the industry

Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 09:43:44AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Fips should be able to. All it does is shrink your FAT partition (NTFS need not apply). When looking at the partition table, also, don't change the 4th partition towards the end of the disk, if there is one. It's the suspend

Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:22:27AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:22:34PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Unfortunately, the lovely Italian wine I found in caffs throughout Naples back in November does not seem to be available over here at all. Why ship the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 10:31 27/03/2001 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Rumour has it that many people are bringing tech in house, which is hitting conslutancies and agencies harder. I'm still not convinced that there's a major downturn in the total number of tech

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: ironically, a lot of .com problems could of been avoided and yet they still would of made the deadlines imposed by `internet time', if they had slowed down and used traditional business techniques such as cost/benefit analysis to prioritise

Re: originality

2001-03-27 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 26/3/01 10:04 pm, Greg McCarroll wrote: The problem of course with London (London.pm?) is that every activity we can think of is drink related. Well we do have a river here ya know ;) Other ideas: taking over a London Eye pod hiring a room in the VA, Science Museum or Nat Hist Museum

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-27 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: ironically, a lot of .com problems could of been avoided and yet they still would of made the deadlines imposed by `internet time', if they had slowed down and used traditional business techniques

RE: originality

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
taking over a London Eye pod Did this on Friday. Not worth the money. Especially in the fog. hiring a room in the VA, Science Museum or Nat Hist Museum If you could get a private view (so to speak) of the difference engine or the BABY stuff they are doing in the Sci museum, that would be

Re: originality

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross
At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:41:05 +0100, Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday morning Perl advocacy at Speaker's Corner This _really_ should happen. Dave...

RE: originality

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Peterson
This _really_ should happen. Can we get some O'Reily collateral to hand out to the congregation?

Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross
At 00:07 27/03/2001, you wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ooh good. I got one of them for Christmas and still haven't gotten around to drinking it. Not sure I'll like it though, because Italian reds tend to be very thin, and I like chewy wines. We'll see. I don't want

Re: originality

2001-03-27 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:41:05 +0100, Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday morning Perl advocacy at Speaker's Corner This _really_ should happen. well then, lets store it up - next time we get a visitor whos up for it, we will do it,

Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-27 Thread Neil Ford
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 11:41:17AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mysql has been ported to OSX. You can find it at http://www-u.life.uiuc.edu/~mwvaugh/MacOSX/Packages/ I was playing with it for a while and it seems fairly stable. The only real problem I had was installing DBD::mysql

Re: originality

2001-03-27 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:41:05 +0100, Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday morning Perl advocacy at Speaker's Corner This _really_ should happen. well then, lets store it up - next

Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't want to sound like a twat, but it may be too late already so here goes, one of the things i hate about going out to a italian restaurant is the wine. Nonsense. You just order the most expensive Barolo on the wine list. homer mmm Barolo /homer

Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-27 Thread Philip Newton
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is to make it relate to buffy in some way :) That reminds me of an idea I had this morning on the way to work -- encode text using "Buffy" with uppercase and lowercase letters: uppercase letters stand

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-27 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Makepeace wrote: The world would be a much better place if everyone habitually quoted their phone number +access_code area_code local_number. You don't realise how important this is 'til you have to repeatedly find people in various desolate stations dotted all over the world with scant,

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross
At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:39:34 +0200, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: The other possibility, I guess, given that it's london.pm is to make it relate to buffy in some way :) That reminds me of an idea I had this morning on the way to work -- encode

Helping Less... er... Able... Programmers

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cross
I've developed this weird habit of hanging around places where less able Perl programmers congregate and trying to distribute clues. The latest place I've found is the BBS for readers of Liz Castro's book. It certainly gives you some perspective[1] on her target audience. Here's an example

Re: Helping Less... er... Able... Programmers

2001-03-27 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: I've developed this weird habit of hanging around places where less able Perl programmers congregate and trying to distribute clues. You've also developed the bad habit of referring to them as "programmers". The latest place I've found is the BBS for

Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Philip Newton
Dave Cross wrote: At Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:21:52 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyhow what are we going to do about the 'C++' ones :) Ignore them. Pretend they aren't there :) You misspelled "Rewrite them in Perl". HTH. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL

Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Philip Newton
Mark Fowler wrote: 1) Is POSIX.pm a standard module I believe it is, but the functionality might not be the same everywhere -- I think it just gives you as much as the platform itself provides. However, strftime so basic I'd guess any vaguely ANSI-/POSIX-compliant C library should have it.

Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: 1) Is POSIX.pm a standard module (and how do I work this out for myself) and supported on all O.S.es so I don't have to rewrite strftime. Its definitely in the 5.00404 on one of the machines here so I would that it could be said to be standard. Anyhow

Re: Helping Less... er... Able... Programmers

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Anyway, I didn't want to keep this delight to myself. If anyone wants to join in my fun, the board is at: http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl Share Enjoy, Must .. Control .. The .. Keyboard .. Of .. Fire /J\

Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Robin Houston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 March 2001 14:59 On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 02:08:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: 2) How do I get strftime to produce th/st/nd for the date? I can't see it on man strftime, but I might just be going blind. use POSIX 'strftime'; my @th=(qw(th

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-27 Thread Philip Newton
Mark Fowler wrote: b) This is how to get objects from CPAN, these are a few critical classes that you need to know about. E.g. this is Data::Dumper, it's fscking useful. LWP::Simple is your friend. Etc, etc. Something of a quick tour. LWP::Simple is a good example, since if

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-27 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote: (Don't know whether CPAN.pm knows this for you. It may.) Yes, it does. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) Knebel's Law: It is

Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Robin Houston
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:14:22PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: %e seems to be Linux specific. %d works on both Linux and Windows. Not Linux-specific, it's part of the Single Unix Specification. Point taken about Win32. .robin. -- select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,'')) from (

Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Robin Houston
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:29:57PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: my @th=(qw(th st nd rd),("th")x16)x2; $th[31]="st"; That's an evil and gross hack. sub th{(($_[0]-10-$_[0]%10)/10%10)?(qw(th st nd rd),('th')x6)[$_[0]%10]:"th"} TIMTOWTDI, thank ghod ;-) .robin. -- "It really

Benchmarking [was] Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 13:29 27/03/2001 +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: my @th=(qw(th st nd rd),("th")x16)x2; $th[31]="st"; That's an evil and gross hack. [snip] sub th{(($_[0]-10-$_[0]%10)/10%10)?(qw(th st nd rd),('th')x6)[$_[0]%10]:"th"} The first one I understood. Not sure about the second but I'll work

Re: Benchmarking [was] Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Philip Newton
Simon Wilcox wrote: So - Did I get this heinously wrong or is MBM's sub really a lot slower ? Well, remember that the sub effecticaly recalculates (what amounts to) the array each time. To be fair, you should include the array initialisation inside the loop and see who wins then. Cheers,

Re: Benchmarking [was] Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:19:08PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: I thought I would play around with Benchmark.pm, because I don't use it nearly often enough, so I made this script: @th=(qw(th st nd rd),("th")x16)x2; $th[31]="st"; sub th{(($_[0]-10-$_[0]%10)/10%10)?(qw(th st nd

Re: Benchmarking [was] Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Robin Houston
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:40:19PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Well, remember that the sub effecticaly recalculates (what amounts to) the array each time. To be fair, you should include the array initialisation inside the loop and see who wins then. Hey, that's not _fair_! The whole point of

Re: Benchmarking [was] Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 16:53 27/03/2001 +0100, Robin Houston wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:40:19PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Well, remember that the sub effecticaly recalculates (what amounts to) the array each time. To be fair, you should include the array initialisation inside the loop and see who wins

four-argument select()s

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell
Some of you will have seen me posting in #london.pm asking about the four-arg form of select(). Some other people confessed ignorance too. I eventually figgered it out by gratuitously copying and pasting from POE::Kernel and then poking it to see how it broke :-) For anyone who's interested,

Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Chris Devers
At 10:15 AM 27.3.2001 +0100, Robert Sheils wrote: I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 32Mb RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb upgrade and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that all my OS9 applications will

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-27 Thread Chris Devers
At 01:44 PM 27.3.2001 +0200, you wrote: I think America requires you to add "1" at the beginning; though it's not part of the area/STD code as the 0 is in England and Germany, I think most places require it to show you're dialling a long-distance call. Correct. Standard format is an implicit 1,

Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-27 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Chris Devers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:15 AM 27.3.2001 +0100, Robert Sheils wrote: I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 32Mb RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb upgrade and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was

Re: Benchmarking [was] Re: Not Matt's Scripts

2001-03-27 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Simon Wilcox wrote: At 16:53 27/03/2001 +0100, Robin Houston wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:40:19PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Well, remember that the sub effecticaly recalculates (what amounts to) the array each time. To be fair, you should include the array

Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread David H. Adler
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 02:09:21PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: /me only drinks belgian beers/lagers.. or ales/bitter esp not any of that american crap. Ahem. There are some fine american beers. You probably just don't see them over there (lord knows they're hard enough to find here...)

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-27 Thread David H. Adler
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:07:44PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: agreed, this is just f*cking crazy, sorry for the swearing, but this is the craziest thing i've seen this year What, no CiP rating??? dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Just Install Perl.

Re: four-argument select()s

2001-03-27 Thread Mark Rogaski
An entity claiming to be Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : IO::Select will take the pain away. : use IO::Select; : However, when you start to throw signals, timers, and other nastiness into the mix, I have found Event.pm to be terribly useful. Mark -- [] |

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-27 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: agreed, this is just f*cking crazy, sorry for the swearing, but this is the craziest thing i've seen this year I wouldnt get too carried away after all its only march :) /J\

Fwd: Sheffield LUG: Linux 2.4 kernel meeting

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell
Just in case any of our northerly lurkers are interested ... -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **

Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread Chris Heathcote
DavidC: According to the critics, it is 'acceptable if not great' but fuck it, *I* liked it. Remember a lot of wine suffers from the holiday effect, and doesn't seem quite as nice on a wet blustery Thursday night. Lachryma Christi del Vesuvio, in case anyone is interested. Ah, I have heard

Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 12:09:21PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: DavidC: According to the critics, it is 'acceptable if not great' but fuck it, *I* liked it. Remember a lot of wine suffers from the holiday effect, and doesn't seem quite as nice on a wet blustery Thursday night. Ah no,

Re: Fwd: Sheffield LUG: Linux 2.4 kernel meeting

2001-03-27 Thread Chris Benson
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 09:18:51PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Just in case any of our northerly lurkers are interested ... This northerly lurker thanks you. Of course Sheffield-Newcastle direct is via Virgin, the alternative is GNER to Doncaster. Neither of these seem particularly

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-27 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:44:49PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Still not enough. It'll work for the Americans (yet again...)[1] but if you have a phone number whose country codes identifies it as being in country X, and you are in country X on a business trip and want to call that person,

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-27 Thread Chris Devers
At 03:28 PM 27.3.2001 -0800, you wrote: With 10 digit dialling, it's 10 digit dialling, no extra '1' required. E.g. if I was in Houston (which has three area codes and is 10-digit) I would dial 713 555 1212 regardless of whether I was already in 713. Ahh. This explains why a cell phone works

Re: white wine

2001-03-27 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:31:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: then we get on to the 'wine so sweet you could stand a spoon up in it'. I am a complete sucker for anything from Sauternes, Lupiac, Pauliac, Graves, Monbazilac etc. and had a very nice Trochenbeerenauslese a You would enjoy the

Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-27 Thread Paul Makepeace
I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account name during install? I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally hosed useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient Privileges), all Applications in Finder appears as folders, all

Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-27 Thread Neil Ford
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account name during install? I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally hosed useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient