Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Dean
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:19:46PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it. A while

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Janet Reid
Dean: Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz they were far far worse... Students ;) Dean, it happens to the best of us. =) I am worse even than that, I am a wannabe student...! signed patient grasshopper

Re:

2001-04-05 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Makepeace wrote: Do you (whoever) in all seriousness think someone would *choose* to post in base64? Or even imagine that without extensive spelunking in the config files/menus their email client would do that by default? No, of course not -- so give 'em a fscking break! Be nice, point

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Philip Newton
Alex Page wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/ AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think

Re: Mmm... Perl 5+i

2001-04-05 Thread Philip Newton
Piers Cawley wrote: I'm really liking Damian's work on this. Favourite so far: %new_hash = map {yield munge_key($_); munge_value($_)} %a_hash ^ Looks like someone's been doing too much Ruby to me Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All

RE: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread dcross - David Cross
From: Janet Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2001 10:15 Dean: Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz they were far far worse... Students ;) Dean, it happens to the best of us. =) Happened to some of us for a bloody long time. Dave... [seven years a

Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wistow
Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:19:15PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Feature request - IMAP client. Mail::IMAPClient exists, so I guess it's a real possibility. When I get a spare second. (Yeah, right.) There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be

Backslash

2001-04-05 Thread Mark Fowler
Slashdot, and everything else running Slash (i.e. use.perl.org) seem to no longer be doing XML RSS feeds, but a custom DTD called 'backslash'. I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this. I'm currently working on building summaries of sites, and then things from these summaries. I was

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Steve Mynott
dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where I picked up ITA.

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Steve Mynott
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually taught you, as opposed to

Re: Backslash

2001-04-05 Thread Leon Brocard
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: Slashdot, and everything else running Slash (i.e. use.perl.org) seem to no longer be doing XML RSS feeds, but a custom DTD called 'backslash'. I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this. Don't know about the Big Picture, but

RE: Backslash

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Batistoni
Mark: a) What and Why is backslash? b) Is this better/worse/indifferent? Should I use it instead? I'd love to know both of these. I can't find anything regarding backslash following a quick trawl of the slashcode site. I'm immediately pre-disposed against it simply because, even if only

Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to install and the interface is a bit unfriendly That's the fault of the underlying Cclient library. :( -- Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root.

Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wistow
Simon Cozens wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to install and the interface is a bit unfriendly That's the fault of the underlying Cclient library. :( Yeah, tell me about it. hence

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Janet Reid
Yes. But some were too old to be students. Oh well.. how old is that exactly =)

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Merijn Broeren
Quoting Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I remember arguing with a teacher who told us gravity was caused by the Earth spinning round who refused to accept that the child she was teaching actually knew more about it than her. Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day after being 'impolite to the teacher' when I refused (loudly) to accept his version of the first moonlanding where Aldrin got out first. Had large arguments with English teacher about

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread AEF
An somewhat sceptical essay I wrote on whether psychology was a science for my A' level psychology course came back with "You can argue that psychology is a science, you can't argue that it isn't" written on it. I thought that rather nicely proved my point. Tony

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Martin Ling
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:19:46PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dean wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of people who only used linux because they

Certing

2001-04-05 Thread Dean
Will the Perl Cert discussion/brainstorming be taking part at todays meet or the technical one? Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Martin Ling
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, wrote: All this said, there were an obscene number of people at Lonix last night, who once again I have no idea about other than that they were being given advice by the people I steer clear of for asking long, slow and stupid questions. Grr. I

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Dean
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: A while back. It was the time with the wearable computers demo. Neill's, I take it, rather than one of my impromptu borgings? I've no idea who most of those people were. Some kind of gargoyle groupie effect g... I heard some

Re: Certing

2001-04-05 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Will the Perl Cert discussion/brainstorming be taking part at todays meet or the technical one? todays having said that i think it will be pretty damn informal -- Greg McCarroll

[HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Andy Williams
Hi, Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me completely confused (not that difficult actually!!) traceroute 195.153.113.229 traceroute to 195.153.113.229 (195.153.113.229), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 chromium.pair.net (209.68.1.224) 1.814 ms 1.067 ms 0.569

Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:33:19AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: Hi, Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me completely confused (not that difficult actually!!) Yup. The machines on hops 11-24 aren't answering the traceroute packets, but are passing them on. Possibly

Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:33:19AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: Hi, Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me completely confused (not that difficult actually!!) traceroute 195.153.113.229 traceroute to 195.153.113.229 (195.153.113.229), 30 hops max, 40 byte

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:14:05PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good." Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:03:43AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: dha, how's your "last read" mark? Eh? -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ We honestly don't want to see another technicolored cow. - the #macintosh faq

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker I seem to solve this by being one all along... -- VMS must die!

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:05:10PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: ObTopic: [snip lots of stuff about perl] Excuse me, where was the topical stuff there? dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Your Aunt Linda should maybe stay away from the Manischewitz. Or stop

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: its amazing how hard it is to disguise the fact you just set fire to a roll of magnesium ribbon. ...but hardly surprising. :_) One of the administrators of my school found me sitting out in the hallway reading a book and

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-) I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change. No, best pizza is in

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-) I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:27:57PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-) I thought it

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Barbie
Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
"Barbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of the english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky enough to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably faired better than most. Fared?

Re:

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:21:33AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: I found a workaround which I can live with; Do tell -- HTML email pisses me off as much as the the next person and there are a few Lookout/!Exchange users I'd like to clue in. P

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:19:54PM +0100, Dean wrote: Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch pad? ;) This guy -- http://eyetap.org/mann/ I set up one of his exhibits

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-) I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
Greg McCarroll IS Tommy Cooper! Stand-up comedy slots at TPC would get my vote. P On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I was a cheeky brat as a child, I remember having an argument once with a teacher, whose comeback was - well if you don't study harder what

Re: Certing

2001-04-05 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 05 Apr 2001, you wrote: * Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Will the Perl Cert discussion/brainstorming be taking part at todays meet or the technical one? todays having said that i think it will be pretty damn informal judging by

Re: Appalling vampire joke

2001-04-05 Thread Neil Ford
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:51:45PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: What the hell, it's no less than you deserve... Paul One day Dracula is walking down the street when suddenly 10 tons of smoked salmon sandwiches, sausage rolls, vol-au-vents, chicken wings, chipolatas, tomato salad, pizza

Re: Appalling vampire joke

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
Doh. I have the archive too, and knew I should've ~b'ed it but the pain of dial-up prevented me. Sorry 'bout that. P On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:03:06PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:51:45PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: What the hell, it's no less than you deserve...

Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:40:03PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Anyway, tip-o-the-day for mutt users. How to get HTML viewed easily and automatically. I'm not 100% sure of the security aspects, but it's still better than Lookout. ;-) [ ~/.mailcap

CiP value =1.5?

2001-04-05 Thread Robin Szemeti
@P=split//,".URRUU\c8R";@d=split//,"\n?neht krow siht seod woh oS";sub p{ @p{"r$p","u$p"}=(P,P);pipe"r$p","u$p";++$p; ($q*=2)+=$f=!fork;map{$P=$P[$f^ord ($p{$_})6];$p{$_}=/ ^$P/ix?$P:close$_}keys%p}p;p;p;p;p;map{$p{$_}=~/^[P.]/ close$_}%p;wait until$?;map{/^r/$_}%p;$_=$d[$q];sleep

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:27:57PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-) I thought it

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:14:05PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good." Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza...

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:02PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker I seem to solve this by being one all along... 'Elitist' implies to me that one is applying unreasonable, arbitrary

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:39:21PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-)

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:19:54PM +0100, Dean wrote: Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch pad? ;) Well I would actually. It's really rather pleasant to have the world visible

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't know dirt about pizza... :-)

Re: Certing

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:37:47PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: judging by the way grep appeared late, informed everyone he'd had 'a hell of a day' and then went to the bar and bought two 6 pint pitchers of 6X I think it fair to say it might well be a little more informal than people might