Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

2001-05-22 Thread Neil Ford
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 11:34:21PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: Will you be requiring a projector for this? Yes please! Will you be coming down or can we send someone to borrow your projector for the day? ;-) ps looks like Simon

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more

Re: penderel going down for a little while

2001-05-22 Thread AEF
On Mon, 21 May 2001, jo walsh wrote: please wibble at me soon if this will cause you problems, or wibble at me or alex tomorrow if there are things you feel you're missing. I don't seem to have my yacht or my large villa in Southern France. Is this your fault? Tony

MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
Using the code below, and calling the routine with a *.jpg file. Why does the mime_type return text/plain? I've also tried using MIME::Head-read with a filehandle and it returns the same. I would investigate CPAN further for clues (and the examples that ActivePerl decided not to include), but it

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 13:27 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, but in the past I've had luck with MIME::Parser using the effective_type() method to get the mime type out of emails. If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno about your MIME problem (sorry), but somebody on irc mentioned trying cpan2.org instead. Ahh! Got it. Thanks. Found the following: Due to nonuniqueness of MIME encodings, there is a very good chance that your output will not Iexactly resemble

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, Isolated file. If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or filename or something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't think MIME:: would help. Could

RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson
I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, Isolated file. If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or filename or something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't think MIME:: would help. Unfortunately I have to rely on

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:48:17PM +0100, Robert Thompson typed: Open up the file, read in the first few bytes and grab the magic number. Most types of binary file have a marker of some kind to designate what they are. Any half decent book on graphics programming should be able to tell

RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson
From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except anything written my MS of course... Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Barbie
From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except anything written my MS of course... Which is precisely what this install of ActivePerl sits on. Luckily I have a

RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Robert Thompson
This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic types, including sig/header block formats. All useful for anyone wanting to play with graphics. http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/~mxr/gfx/ Rob --- Any views expressed in

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 03:06:39PM +0100, Barbie wrote: From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except anything written my MS of course... Which is

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:02:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow typed: According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if

OT: Eiswein

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
(because people were talking about it) http://just-drinks.com/news_detail.asp?art=12376dm=yes ROME, May 21 (Reuters) - Canada has won the right to compete with Germany and Austria in supplying Europeans with Icewine, a sugary dessert wine made from grapes harested in freezing temperatures. c.

tpj #20

2001-05-22 Thread Nathan Torkington
Nobody noticed that in my article's code examples I revealed my pick for sexiest slayer on Buffy. Pout. Nat

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:02 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). It seems that every

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's bandwagon-jumping. Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically brainwashed; it's become so de rigeur for parties to completely disregard the

Attributes galore

2001-05-22 Thread Marcel Grunauer
This is something like a request for comments. Playing around with attributes (as per Attribute::Handler), I've done several more attribute handlers and have also bundled a few into one module but am not quite sure what to call it. First, here are examples of those handlers: 1) Attribute::Tools

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 16:02 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). They are politicians. They

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:19 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: thank goodness for proportioanl representation, it should make the next parliament a lot more representative of what people actually want, ratehr than a choice between 2 (and a half ) evils. Errr... no PR yet for general elections! Slight aside, but

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Wistow
Simon Cozens wrote: I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet. Personally I don't believe a word anybody says

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Chris Heathcote sent the following bits through the ether: It seems that every promise in the Tory manifesto is based on hearsay It'd be okay if they were based on shaggy or fat boy slim... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 16:31 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's bandwagon-jumping. Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically brainwashed; i The cynicism of the

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Mison
On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK .. perhaps someting more

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:46 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: Simon Cozens wrote: I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet.

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 08:43:39AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:44:25PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: We vote for the encumbent party until they screw up big time and then we switch and repeat the process. Except we don't while they can arrange for elections to be when everyone's forgotten about their big screwups. Also, in

Eh up! Abysinnia!

2001-05-22 Thread Dan Packer
Greg McCarroll and his (extraordinarily) lovely wife have, for the time being, sufficiently brainwashed me as to convince me to for some indeterminate amount of time, muck-in this kooky kerfuffle. And lastly, in the tradition of me old beloved ny.pm, but not leastly (but yeastly), BEER. The

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 17:01 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: Right, yes, which is why we - sorry, you plural, I was way out of the country at the time - elected Labour based on their fantastic performance last time which lead to the General Strike and the Winter of Discontent. Sorry, a nanosecond of thought would show

Re: Eh up! Abysinnia!

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 12:06 22/05/01 -0400, you wrote: If you haven't guessed, i'm from the states. Ah. So 'Mars' wasn't too close. :-) -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:16:41PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Labour were voted in on the basis of the Tories screw ups. Yes, so what you said about the party's previous record as, indeed, irrelevant. Labour hasn't screwed up yet. Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Oh, and fix your

RE: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:03 PM According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means font size=bloody huge

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? The actual text is: A future Conservative

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:37:23PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? But I wanna type, I wanna type, I wanna type! Roger, where we come from we have a word for people like that. -- I did write and

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 5:26 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: Errr... no PR yet for general elections! really .. are you sure ? .. I'm certain this lot said they were going to do something about that ... how odd. It was part of the buttering-up in case of a need for a Lib-Lab pact. It's certainly been pushed

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, David H. Adler wrote: Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, then well done Mr Adler. Ah, I wish... The truth is somewhere in between. I got a Burns Marquee. The

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Philip Newton
Robert Thompson wrote: This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic types, including sig/header block formats. And there's always http://www.wotsit.org/ The Programmer's File Format Collection. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my

Re: Happy Happy Joy Joy!

2001-05-22 Thread Philip Newton
David H. Adler wrote: dha, who thinks the overseas copies got somehow shipped before the domestic ones... I *think* I read once that that's their policy. It's a nice move, since overseas people have to wait longer anyway -- so if their copies are shipped earlier, they might just get them no

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. Leon -- ... Money is the root of all wealth

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:25:36PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Your sigfile is a mighty repository of evil. Martin

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 06:49:01PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in

[OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Someone just laid what I think is a fresh urban myth on me, but is there any kind of embargo on comestibles going from England to France? Like even wrapped chocolate? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Barry Pretsell
embargo has been due to foot and mouth, embargo is bi-directional and covers meat as well. - Original Message - From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [OT] Food exports? Someone just laid what I think is a fresh

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Barry Pretsell
Here's the leaflets given to travellers http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf - Original Message - From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [OT] Food exports? Someone just laid what I think

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Barry Pretsell wrote: Here's the leaflets given to travellers http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf Strangely enough .. I have friends in North Wales who had reason to have speach (in welsh, unsurprisingly) with a local farmer the other day. Seems

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Barry Pretsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's the leaflets given to travellers http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf oops :-) -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

Re: [OT] Food exports?

2001-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Barry Pretsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: embargo has been due to foot and mouth, embargo is bi-directional and covers meat as well. Any references to this? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

[announce] Tie::Hash::Rank

2001-05-22 Thread David Cantrell
I've just put a complete version of Tie::Hash::Rank on my webshite for your enjoyment. I'd be grateful if some of you could download it and test it before I submit it to CPAN. http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/Tie-Hash-Rank-1.0.tar.gz It has what I hope is a comprehensive test suite

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated threading! Tell me you're joking. Martin

Re: [announce] Tie::Hash::Rank

2001-05-22 Thread Marcel Grunauer
On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 09:32 PM, David Cantrell wrote: I've just put a complete version of Tie::Hash::Rank on my webshite for 'webshite'? shurely shome mishtake? your enjoyment. I'd be grateful if some of you could download it and test it before I submit it to CPAN.

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Paul Mison wrote: On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang on that ones been done before and had a distinctly

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Alex Gough
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: hmmm .. I was tempted just to let it pass .. but I can't resist ;) What you need to remember is this : They will say ANYTHING to get your vote .. ANYTHING. Even the truth? I'd very much doubt that. Alex Gough -- I don't believe that honesty

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 09:14:05PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated

Re: [announce] Tie::Hash::Rank

2001-05-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:17:18PM +0200, Marcel Grunauer wrote: Looks good. Also works with Attribute::TieClasses (once I had replaced the '#!/usr/bin/perl -w' with 'use warnings', mysteriously). Perhaps because I have a 'no warnings' in T::H::R? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Gareth Harper
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 03:06:39PM +0100, Barbie wrote: From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except