Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Leo Lapworth
XML - do it because you need it, not because of the Buzz. XML is cool for handeling complex (or varied) data and sharing this info with others (but if CSV will do, then use that!). I'd suggest it VERY much depends on why you want to use it, what is the ASCII data ? If it was worth putting the

RE: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Thompson
From: Leo Lapworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] XML - do it because you need it, not because of the Buzz. Never was one for following the hype - just trying to work out if it's the right tool or not. Part of the problem is probably that I've heard snippets of what XML can do/is good for, and

Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:01:33AM +0100, Robert Thompson typed: CSV is an option - except that an awful lot of the data will need to be escaped out before it goes into the file, and I would rather only have to do when its rendered out to the browser. DBD::CSV is your friend. Sits on

Re: Tie::Hash::Transactional

2001-06-14 Thread Philip Newton
David Cantrell wrote: It was disgustingly easy to write Yeah, awful language this Perl. Makes things much too easy. I hope our bosses never find out that things take a fraction of the time they would with other languages :-) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are

Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Philip Newton
Roger Burton West wrote: DBD::CSV is your friend. I second that. DBD::CSV is yum. Also handles escaping of double quotes or commas when inserting strings, etc. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution,

RE: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Thompson
From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Roger Burton West wrote: DBD::CSV is your friend. I second that. DBD::CSV is yum. Also handles escaping of double quotes or commas when inserting strings, etc. DBD:CSV seems to be popular and on reading the docs I can see why... ... did I

Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:19:10AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Roger Burton West wrote: DBD::CSV is your friend. I second that. DBD::CSV is yum. Also handles escaping of double quotes or commas when inserting strings, etc. Of course, the plain ol' CSV modules handle all the appropriate

RE: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Ian Brayshaw
From: Leo Lapworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] XML - do it because you need it, not because of the Buzz. Amen. I'm also trying to future proof the system slightly - I think that by having the data XML based it may make it easier to use in new and wonderful ways in the future, without

Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Redvers Davies
CSV is an option - except that an awful lot of the data will need to be escaped out before it goes into the file, and I would rather only have to do when its rendered out to the browser. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to make use of the database - it is a requirement that this particular

Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Redvers Davies
Sounds like you need DBD::CSV. Note to self... read all replies in a thread to make sure you don't provide redundant information.

RE: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:25 AM Sorry to go off topic... I was wondering what the pro's and con's are of using XML to structure ASCII based data files. What are peoples experience of using XML - particularly where you may have to trawl

Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:44:50AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: At 10:01 14/06/01 +0100, you wrote: The data from these files will primarily be diplayed within an HTML page. A perceived advantage of XML here (for someone who has barely scratched the surface of what XML can do), is the

Online Bookshops

2001-06-14 Thread Richard Clyne
If I'm trying to avoid Amazon for some technical books, what sites are currently suggested? Richard

Re: Online Bookshops

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Shiels
I like this lot. http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk/computing/publishers/oreilly.jhtml -- Robert - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 June 2001 12:23 Subject: Re: Online Bookshops Richard Clyne wrote: If I'm trying to avoid Amazon

Re: Online Bookshops

2001-06-14 Thread Robert Shiels
I think we need a FAQ, I'm sure this has come up a few times. -- Robert - Original Message - From: Richard Clyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 June 2001 11:33 Subject: Online Bookshops If I'm trying to avoid Amazon for some technical books, what sites are

Re: Online Bookshops

2001-06-14 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 02:42:30PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: Richard wrote: If I'm trying to avoid Amazon for some technical books, what sites are currently suggested? I think we need a FAQ, I'm sure this has come up a few times. You

Re: Tie::Hash::Transactional

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, David Cantrell wrote: Go me! Tie::Hash::Transactional is written. It implements a hash which you can checkpoint and rollback. Thats weird, I just wrote something that did that very thing the other day .. the transactional bit was just a side affect of having a tied

London.pm - FAQ for web site (was books or something).

2001-06-14 Thread Leo Lapworth
Well, as has been muttered about I am redoing the London.pm.org website. And yes it DOES need a faq, I have the start of one, but would very much love someone else to finish it off. So, If anyone is up for it give me a yell and I'll email you the XML that needs populating. The website

Re: London.pm - FAQ for web site (was books or something).

2001-06-14 Thread Leon Brocard
Leo Lapworth sent the following bits through the ether: And yes it DOES need a faq, I have the start of one, but would very much love someone else to finish it off. google++ # london.pm faq http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02436.html -- Leon

Re: Y::E accomodation

2001-06-14 Thread Philip Newton
Redvers Davies wrote: The Bilderberg Garden Hotel. lastmin.com do bookings for it. Wow. Either you have more money than you know what to do with or your company allows for higher expenses than mine. www.lastminute.com says GBP 82.90 - GBP 126.46; my company guidelines say (for German hotels)

Re: London.pm - FAQ for web site (was books or something).

2001-06-14 Thread Struan Donald
* at 14/06 14:55 +0100 Leo Lapworth said: Well, as has been muttered about I am redoing the London.pm.org website. And yes it DOES need a faq, I have the start of one, but would very much love someone else to finish it off. So, If anyone is up for it give me a yell and I'll email you the

[fwd] Group booking AC Hotel

2001-06-14 Thread Neil Ford
For those not on the yapc europe mailing list. (you will need to subscribe to register interest in this though). Neil. - Forwarded message from Jouke Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:34:10 +0200 From: Jouke Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: [fwd] Group booking AC Hotel

2001-06-14 Thread Leon Brocard
Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: For those not on the yapc europe mailing list. (you will need to subscribe to register interest in this though). Hmmm, it may be an idea to get something closer to the center of town. Quick, someone organise. Leon -- Leon

Re: [fwd] Group booking AC Hotel

2001-06-14 Thread Neil Ford
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:05:53PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: For those not on the yapc europe mailing list. (you will need to subscribe to register interest in this though). Neil. For anyone interested, here's a URL on the hotel (it's long I'm afraid).

another test

2001-06-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
this is the final test -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/

Re: your mail

2001-06-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:16:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: yet another test I'm sorry, but you appear to have failed again. This message is quite visible! :-( well i had managed to screw up mail for 2 days, i personally believe it was

YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Alex Page
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:28:45PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? a) I can blag it as a training course with my boss b) I can afford to take time off work c) She can find a babysitter d) We can afford to take her too $answer = ( $a ||

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Barbie
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? I did ask, but she doesn't fancy it. So I get to party :) Barbie

curse

2001-06-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
here was a fun unbless function i wrote in response to something on spug's mailing list (it never made here or there, due to mailing difficulties at the time) sub curse ($) { my $thing = shift; if (!(ref($thing))) { die Can't curse non-reference value; } if ($thing =~

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Redvers Davies
So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? Mine will have emmigrated by then, so no. If anything goes wrong, then yes.

crazy golf

2001-06-14 Thread Chris Heathcote
Beware, it's in Flash (or Shockwave) http://www.electrotank.com/lab/minigolf.html Hole 17 is a bugger c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com

misc URL

2001-06-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
i'm not a great fan of people sending URLs randomly, but this has to be an exception, remember the joy of your childhood years reading the guiness book of records (and watching record breakers as well, with Roy, Norris and later on Cheryl). well you can relive that joy at

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Lucy McWilliam
So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? Some of us can't afford YAPC. And some of us don't have partners :-( L. Life is pain, Highness! Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? Some of us can't afford YAPC. Well at least its not due to the entry fee and if its a matter of accomodation cost, ask on the list for somewhere to crash. And some of us don't have

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Redvers Davies
Well at least its not due to the entry fee and if its a matter of accomodation cost, ask on the list for somewhere to crash. Plane tickets are currently 37 quid return via easyjet... Thats why you should come to YAPC::Europe and meet the monger of your dreams ;-) Indeed... see them in

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? It had been my intention for the whole Gellyfish Clan to venture forth to Amsterdam but it looks like I will be the only representative now as the leader has decided that she has been to

Re: Y::E accomodation

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Redvers Davies wrote: The Bilderberg Garden Hotel. lastmin.com do bookings for it. Wow. Either you have more money than you know what to do with or your company allows for higher expenses than mine. www.lastminute.com says GBP 82.90 - GBP 126.46;

Re: another test

2001-06-14 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: this is the final test No wonder you're number 1 in the posting league. L. I've got a touch of the singles. Shingles? No, singles.

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Some of us can't afford YAPC. Well at least its not due to the entry fee and if its a matter of accomodation cost, ask on the list for somewhere to crash. Ah, well. Have made prior arrangemnets now

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It had been my intention for the whole Gellyfish Clan to venture forth to Amsterdam but it looks like I will be the only representative now as the leader has decided that she has been to Amsterdam too many times previously to justify the cost and

I'm off ...

2001-06-14 Thread Robin Szemeti
Right .. I'm off ... huzzah! but only for a couple of weeks general dissapointment at least this 2 week respite shuold allow me to sink a little lower down the rankings from my embarrasingly high standing. and when I return apparently I have to get a job .. well .. theres a small matter of

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:46:56PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? Some of us can't afford YAPC. And some of us don't have partners :-( maybe we could have Yet Another Beer :: London at the same time then. -- David Cantrell |

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Cantrell wrote: Some of us can't afford YAPC. And some of us don't have partners :-( maybe we could have Yet Another Beer :: London at the same time then. Sounds eminently doable ;-) L. I have no sig

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Dave Cross
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:45:32PM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It had been my intention for the whole Gellyfish Clan to venture forth to Amsterdam but it looks like I will be the only representative now as the leader has