Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:00:35PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: PLPM++I answer questions (correctly) on #london.pm But aren't most of the questions on #london.pm of the form "shall we go down the pub then?", to which there is a simple answer that's almost always correct...

Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse. That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then... We're meeting on Thursday, right? If we aren't I'm going

Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 08:52:56PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too. I may even make it this time. I think we *are* having a proper meeting, anyway. Looking forward to recover from spending christmas at home... Michael

Re: irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:49:58AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again. I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now. irc.rhizomatic.net #london.pm Michael

Re: irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:56:38PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:49:58AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again. I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now

Re: Books

2001-01-04 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:10:24PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: That was Sili of you On the plus side, They Have Lots Of Books, which makes up for almost all their faults.

blibble

2001-01-04 Thread Michael Stevens
You know you're drunk when, faced with the problem of getting through an underground ticket gate, you get out your house keys and start fiddling with them looking for the right one. Michael

Re: one liner

2001-01-06 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:12:37PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: Ok, we are not (void) but we are pretty close so here is a one liner that hopefully will provote discussion the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the projects that are achieved using it and

Re: one liner

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 08:25:54AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: Michael Stevens writes: I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like printed copies of. Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the book was nothing more than the online manual

Re: one liner

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 12:24:59PM +, Shevek wrote: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like printed copies of. Maybe we should see about costs for getting some of them printed fairly nicely and bound. I

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 12:32:46PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Jo Walsh sent the following bits through the ether: lets kill off the old list before the two get too far out of sync Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. And a pony.

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:16:19PM +, Jo Walsh wrote: i would sooner install qmail/ezmlm than mailman would ppl object? I'd rather see exim/mailman but qmail is cool too. The most important bit is to get *something* working :) Michael

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:20:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: (Supposedly Mjd 2 is going to be better, RSN.) IIRC the postgresql mailing list are actually using it, or were. Don't think that it is done yet, tho. Smartlist is good. Mailman is good. ezmlm and qmail actually seem pretty

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:27:50PM +, David Cantrell wrote: /me has a bone to pick with majordomo. majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt It's doable, you'll just wish you hadn't. Michael

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:51:15PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Good thing: the error messages were short enough to fit into an SMS Bad thing: they contained no useful information whatsoever I Will Not Give In. I Will Not Install Python. I actually kinda like python, from the little I've

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-13 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Surely, then, rpm should have the ability to install and fetch dependencies from the network automagically? Yes it should. It doesn't. Which is why Helix's installer is so much easier to use. start type="holy_war" Or, more

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-15 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:26:28PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote: It's also sheer idiocy to pipe arbitrary code from an untrusted, unverified source directly to the shell. How is it less secure than downloading a tar file and typing ./configure? Admittedly you *could* check several meg of source

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. Michael

Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:56:07AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Robin Szemeti wrote: as a matter of interest what is your fave Linux or *nix install then?? From what I've been reading on this list, Debian seems to be argued for quite a lot, as is FreeBSD (? I think -- one of the BSDs,

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:55:08PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote: Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted as a Perl programmer for less than 50/hr. Normally I'd estimate at about 500/day. I'd have thought that if we were selling ourselves as top-notch Perl consultants (Dave H's

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it .. just charge em bigtime! nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it .. just charge

Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:41:57PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: [gem@penderel gem]$ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 3.9G 879M 2.8G 24% / /dev/sda1 7.6M 2.9M 4.2M 41% /boot OK that'll be another disk or two then - if

Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there. I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself. That could be good, too... We definately need one of the two. (IMHO) Michael

Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:31:00PM +, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:52:54PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, you'd be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of bind) Heh. djbdns is,

Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:29:18AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. Bear in mind that the existing box will currently become a firewall/proxy box so I'll do all the paranoid security stuff on there. Go for it. Give it your best shot. Let battle

Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:48:03PM +, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:43:28PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:31:00PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Heh. djbdns is, despite being a bernsteinism, very good. For values of 'very good' which

Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:02:01PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:58:41PM +, Richard Clamp typed: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:44:42PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff aren't usually

Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-20 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 11:42:52PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Building reliability is probably your best aim: does it have a UPS? does it have a RAID 1/0 config? Dual PSUs? Tape drive backup policy? Those things are way more important than a

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. go on dave, it cant be that hard Having done it a few times, it *isn't* that hard... Michael

Re: Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 04:50:39PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-) apologise for that i've rejoined (void) and once

Mail::ListDetector - please test

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
Hi. I have an (as yet unreleased) module called Mail::ListDetector, which takes a Mail::Internet object, and attempts to tell you if the message involved was posted to a mailing list, and if so, attempts to get some details about that list. I need testers - in particular, see if it builds and

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: TCL is used because its multithreaded. Perl 6 is going to be multithreaded. It should be able to wipe TCL out. I've never actually understood the appeal of threads. Why do people like them? Michael

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 10:58:54PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: y* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Ok, it's trolling a bit, but their main use seems to be where you don't want to bother to do proper nonblocking

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 11:24:03PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: we really want standardisation of technology interfaces in the industry, and threads go a little towards that - oh and a law that alows be to go around and shooting people who

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 10:34:54PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: The concept of execution threads within a process makes it easy to share resources like database connections. As I understand it, that's it. The pre-forked model that Apache uses has a problem because it's tough to share resources.

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +, James O'Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he originally said he wanted. Sometimes they do

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:52:08PM +, DJ Adams wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:47:03PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: So without wishing to start another holy war, is it possible to change too late ;) the mailing list configuration to have a more sensible default Reply-to? No no! Please

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:32:58PM +, DJ Adams wrote: Hi folks Am I going mad or is there no way I can start my fav client program PuTTY and specify a saved 'session' directly with a switch? (i.e. I can specify a hostname, but I _want_ to specify a session name - to have my colours /

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:33:34PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: reply-to having the address of the sender is the right thing, it means when you reply to a message you reply to author of that message, when you reply-all you reply to all No. When you reply-all it replies

Re: [OT] Putty invocation

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:33:11PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: And does anyone know how to get putty to save settings like they key for backspace, etc, rather than my having to set them every time I start it? Do you mean setting the backspace to Control-H in the keyboard tab isn't

Re: Conslutancy

2001-01-23 Thread Michael Stevens
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 02:11:02PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:38:31PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: la la la la *has hands over ears* i cant here you, la la la la The issue of millions-of-CCs needs to be addressed by anyone putting together a pro-reply-to:

Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:32:58AM +, Andy Wardley wrote: There was a moral in this story but I forgot it in the process of rambling on. Probably something about munging Reply-To, or putting all middle management up against a wall and shooting them (which ICL did a short while later).

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:35:17PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: Let's be kind to the poor Windows users, encouraging them with the lure of free powerful software; once they get a taste for it they'll be begging you to help them get Linux installed as a dual boot on their home machines, then

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:46:13PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed: We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't try

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment. Aye aye. Windows UI is much nicer than

Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 06:02:25PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) nicely escapes the spaces to %20 but when I try and download these, the %20 appears in the Netscape file save as box instead of spaces. Dreamweaver is by far the best GUI html

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:09:15AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty much ! Having started the web site project here without much knowledge of developing websites (having mostly been doing corporate network support before that) I allowed the designer to choose the tools. I chose

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:32:46PM -, Matthews Simon wrote: As someone who's been using templates and perl to do web sites since January 96 I can see both sides of the argument. We (perl people) are all much happier with the idea of building pages from bits it appeals to our laziness.

Re: Dream weaver

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:43:47PM -, Mark Kitching wrote: I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the Dreamweaver side of this argument... Anyone? Michael I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave Cross around it turned into a LOOONG lunchtime.

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote: From the discussion on IRC, it seems that Leon's summary mail has opened a bit of a can of worms. There are a number of people who don't like the idea of a publically advertised archive of this mailing list. For the record, I don't

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:18:06AM +, Greg Cope wrote: How about a decently built rack mount PC running Debian[1], by someone who actually knows how to setup that particular OS decently, as compared with a Sun box running Solaris setup by someone good with solaris? (And, myself,

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:19:02AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:07:02AM +, Michael Stevens typed: I imagine you could get a pc service contract on the same level as Sun do, but I have no experience in the area. Has anyone got any experience paying

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:30:03AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:23:26AM +, Michael Stevens typed: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:19:02AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Dell offer this on some of their servers. IMHO this is always a waste of money

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:30:28AM +, Struan Donald wrote: on the other hand kickstart files aren't that tricky to write and you can then set up the box in a sensible way (or something approaching that) and it's very easy to set up a chunk of boxes the same. of course you a box to put

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:39:17AM +, Struan Donald wrote: One of these days I must play with the FAI (fully automatic installation) stuff for debian. kickstart is (i assume) teh redhat equiv of FAI. or at least it is if FAI is stick floppy in system, create symlink in some magic format

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:16:52PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: There's very little off-topic on this list :) Kickstart is RedHat http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/KickStart-HOWTO.html Jumpstart is Solaris Both are automated install procedures. Yes. I have learnt. If it is just

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:40:13AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: *Oh, agreed entirely. The key thing is that nobody _expects_ a professional *support service, so they're less disappointed when it doesn't happen. I don't think this is true for the great majority of software end-users out

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *I personally would have just as little faith in Solaris run by someone *who didn't know what they were doing as I would in Redhat run by *someone who didn't know what they were

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:59:08AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *Isn't kickstart a solaris thing, or have redhat developed new stuff *I didn't know about? Jumpstart. yes, I found that out, my memory sucks.

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:04:07PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: I take that post back. I don't think it would be productive to continue the discussion. Michael

Re: LAMP Stuff

2001-01-29 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 08:52:37AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: O'Reilly have launched a new site discussing LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl/Python/PHP) web development. Most of the current content seems to be links to existing O'Reilly Network content (e.g. perl.com), but it's a interesting

Re: Passwords

2001-01-29 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 02:30:07PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: I just wanted to ask a brief question about passwords. I have access to about 10 SAP systems in my work at the moment, and all of them require a password, and these passwords all expire after 60 days. This will happen at random

Re: Technical Meeting Venues

2001-01-29 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 02:41:38PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: i assume odd beer is a typo and you mean't odd beers, i.e. an odd number of beers ( i've also decided that 1 is not an odd number ) seriously, i'm sure everyone would welcome you with open arms We are perl. you will be

Re: .emacs

2001-01-29 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 07:53:00PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: I like my .emacs file. It sets nice fonts and colours, and sets the editing mode and wrapping mode of choice ;-) I'm sure it can do more... 1) Where do I find handy things to put into my .emacs file on the web? 2) Got any nice

Re: Fwd: [mengerin@deja.com: [?] Template Toolkit]

2001-01-29 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 09:31:30PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: I got the following email in response to my TT2 article. I know nothing about EmbPerl so I can't really answer these points. Does anyone who has used EmbPerl have any ammo that I can use in my reply? Embperl is entirely Apache

Re: .emacs

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 07:53:00PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: I like my .emacs file. It sets nice fonts and colours, and sets the editing mode and wrapping mode of choice ;-) I'm sure it can do more... 1) Where do I find handy things to put into my .emacs file on the web? 2) Got any

Re: .emacs

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 07:53:00PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: I like my .emacs file. It sets nice fonts and colours, and sets the editing mode and wrapping mode of choice ;-) I'm sure it can do more... 1) Where do I find handy things to put into my .emacs file on the web? 2) Got any nice

Re: Meeting Reminder

2001-01-31 Thread Michael Stevens
On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 11:18:24PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Conveniently close to Cynthia's Cyberbar. No, please god, no! Can't we just try and forget this excuse for a bar?[1] But the mirrors! Don't forget the mirrors!

the list

2001-01-31 Thread Michael Stevens
It's oh so quiet. After recent activity this is somewhat disconcerting. Michael

Re: the list

2001-01-31 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 12:04:54PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It's oh so quiet. After recent activity this is somewhat disconcerting. everyone is probably reading up on ruby in preparation for it taking over the world Surely you mean python

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:28:37AM +, Neil Ford wrote: I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Michael we're all there fine in actuall fact as I type this you've just appeared :-) Having now got on I can state the problem was a complete inability to get

irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Michael

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:35:47AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Ahem. Didn't they learn _anything_ from Microsoft? IRC's IP, anyone? london.rhizomatic.net is also www.astray.com is 195.82.114.160

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:02:03PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: Well, publishing username/passwords to everyone who needs them is trickey, and getting people to remember them is also hard. For example, I took family photos, I want the whole family to look at them, and anyone else who they

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:35:10AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Data Munging with Perl by David Cross Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! Now if they'd just actually send me the copy I ordered... (I think they said 3-5 weeks) Michael

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:24:08PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Michael Stevens wrote: You could give out urls with the usernames and passwords in? Were you thinking of http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pics/drunkenperlmongers.jpg ? No such thing; RTFRFC for more info. Being somewhat

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:52:02AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Now if they'd just actually send me the copy I ordered... (I think they said 3-5 weeks) Did you order it from amazon.co.uk? amazon.com have it stock and are sending it out now. It'll be another couple of weeks before it hits the

Re: Last Night

2001-02-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:27:17AM +, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:43:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: I hope that everyone who turned up last night had a good time - I certainly did (that may, of course, have something to do with the fact that I was drinking for the

Re: Mailing List Stuff

2001-02-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:34:15PM +, Robin Houston wrote: what is it with ponys? I've wondered that too. Seems to be a #perl obsession... purl pony [12:39] [purl] pony is replyGimme a Pony! Pony! Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony

Re: Bad programming considered harmless

2001-02-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:25:09PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: No, I disagree. This is like a mechanic saying "You really oughtn't to change your own oil, oil is very important, if you get it wrong you could really damage your engine, that sort of thing should be left to a qualified

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:16:06AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Benjamin Holzman [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:57:20AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: * Meaning, nobody's really a complete idiot and we'd seem just as dumb * if we called brain surgery tech

Re: Bad programming considered harmless

2001-02-02 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:33:24AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *My problem with some of the CGI stuff is that it sounds like the *equivalent of a mechanic saying "well, when changing oil, it's not *that important what you put in - any

trains

2001-02-14 Thread Michael Stevens
Last night I cunningly managed to get off the tube at stratford, get halfway out of the station, and then realise I don't actually live in Stratford. Michael

DMP

2001-02-20 Thread Michael Stevens
amazon uk have started shipping data munging with perl. I have my copy. Michael

t-shirts

2001-02-21 Thread Michael Stevens
We've been talking about t-shirts on irc, and I think we should try to get some ideas together[1]. Some thoughts to start you off: Hash Bang Perl Pony::Pony PIMB (we've done this one) ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US Michael [1] disclaimer in advance: unofficial ideas, not a project of the

Re: t-shirts

2001-02-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:43:34PM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 21/02/2001 at 12:26 +, Michael Stevens wrote: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US and they were disposable. This sort of meme just does the rounds too rapidly. I mean, how much would you laugh at someone wearing a 'I am Mahir

Re: t-shirts

2001-02-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:57:00PM +, Dave Thorn wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:53:55PM +, Struan Donald wrote: surely just t-shirts with editable text? T-shirts with a velcro strip and a bad of letters that stick. Available now at GAP dave, no I haven't been in there Now if

Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:53:24PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: We've been talking about t-shirts on irc, and I think we should try to get some ideas together[1]. Some thoughts to start you off: Pony::Pony Only if it has the open sourced code

Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:34:06AM -, dcross - David Cross wrote: * There are currently 100 copies in Europe. * Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow! They will return at some point in the next week. * The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles,

Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:24:46PM +, Richard Clamp wrote: I think Mr Clamp has been doing initial development on this, but has not yet released his code. Okay, it's pre pre alpha, it does nothing, and it's not even an very good way of doing the nothing it does. Perhaps a sourceforge

Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:29:45PM +, Richard Clamp wrote: Or the london.pm server, on which we could do straight cvs, or even install the lumbering beast that is sourceforge. I nominate dadadodo as the pumpking for this. I think he should collaborate with dipsy. Michael

Re: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:31:42PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Class::DBI looks groovy. Does anyone know why it might not be? Doesn't work in 5.004_04. This may be a problem in some situations. Michael