RE: Komodo

2001-04-24 Thread David Irvine
--- Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. /me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue Isn't that a bit

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Philip Newton
Robin Szemeti wrote: in the *nix variant can you load stuff from CPAN straight in ? Lemme check... yep, you can. (Using the Solaris version of ActivePerl 618.) I used a non-XS module, but I believe I've done it with XS modules as well. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote: Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then? Yes, but they're not installed by default. (I can't remember if the 'BSD subsystem' is installed by default either though.) It comes on a seperate CD within

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think even vim can do it now, too. Never noticed that! I

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You also get ProjectBuilder IDE. http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/ Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it was NeXTSTEP. I had a little play with it last

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the reason I started using emacs in the first place. And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb -- I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education. --

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread David Irvine
you can write code in emacs? Apparently if you install enough major modes you can even edit text in it... ;) Theres a nasty rumor going about that its really just a mail client. D = "Artificial Intelligence is no match for human stupitity!"

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You also get ProjectBuilder IDE. http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/ Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the reason I started using emacs in the first place. And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb Oh, yes, baby. And M-x ediff and

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:46:03PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Works with Objective C too. Which is still (for my money) the best way of messing with the NeXTSTEP object model. s/best/only/ Paul

RE: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. /me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue Isn't that a bit harsh? If the Linux version is a Beta / Alpha type deal it seems fair enough they want people to

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete You mean, "...if you choose to install an OS over the one we're actually supporting for those

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:52:58AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: actually supporting for those operations"? No, I mean "unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system which, despite us only supporting a limited number of systems to make it This is specious. The ad is running

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:59:51AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Who said "release early, release often". Apple are doing the right thing, IMO. Probably Eric Raymond. Which reminds me, there used to be a comment in the code for an authentication server at Demon: /* fork early, fork often

RE: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. /me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue Isn't that a bit harsh? If the Linux version is a Beta / Alpha type deal it

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:30AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: if it doesn't work on a standard Perl install its dead in the water IMHO FWIW, I agree. Not only that, if it conflicts with existing distribution's package management that'd be a nightmare. Paul

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dean
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:30AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm .. for a windows install where Activestate Perl seems to be the standard then yes, its fair enough. For a *nix tool it MUST work with a standard Perl install or it is of zero use (to me) .. I do not have any intention of

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:59:51AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:52:58AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: No, I mean "unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system which, despite us only supporting a limited number of systems to make it This is

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:44:38AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: The iMac is one of the platforms supported by OS X. One has to assume anyone installing an OS over a different is intelligent enough to read the caveats. In fact, CD burning doesn't work under OS X on *any* machine and isn't

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: IMHO the Linux port is an afterthought, most of the effort seems to have been focused on the Windows side, the integration with Visual Studio springs to mind. umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats quite an 'afterthought'. My

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Struan Donald
* at 18/04 11:58 +0100 Robin Szemeti said: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: IMHO the Linux port is an afterthought, most of the effort seems to have been focused on the Windows side, the integration with Visual Studio springs to mind. umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75%

RE: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Jonathan Peterson
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking over the world and these tools are simply there to help get it to that position. I think it's more than Windows accounts for 75% of the IDE

RE: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Mison
On 18/04/2001 at 15:58 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I mean how the hell do you install CPAN packges on EPOC perl or Mac Perl or any other platform that doesn't smell of Unix? On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac. XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl was sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same as anyone else's Perl, shurely? It's more because I have a nicely working perl installation right

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dean
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking over the world and these tools are simply there to help get it to that position. And

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Barbie
From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl was sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same as anyone else's Perl, shurely? All the brain ache surrounding PPM and CPAN modules and XS is not strictly perl related

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:26:42PM +0100, Dean wrote: I've been using this for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being taken to the line. Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dean
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I think it's more than Windows accounts for 75% of the IDE market, rather than the Perl market... Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl was sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dean
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac. XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port, although it is possible to do it if you

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Wistow
Dean wrote: I've been using [Kdevelop] for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being taken to the line. Ultraedit does this. It's great and I love it. And it works under Wine.

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Mison
On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac. XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port,

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:36:08PM +0100, Dean wrote: Whats MPW? Macintosh Programmers' Workshop. Delicious... Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then? Yes (on the optional developers CD) .robin. -- Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dean
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think even vim can do it now, too. Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the compiling on the command line in another term, never got too

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:47:57PM +0100, Dean wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think even vim can do it now, too. Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Philip Newton
Barbie wrote: The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation for you. the bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then again seeing as they've done the job of porting the package you'd hope it was tested at their end. At least that's what _I'm_ hoping. Yes. The PPM used

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking over the world and these tools are simply there to

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats quite an 'afterthought'. That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows first. -- ZenHam heh, yeah, but Aretha could be

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats quite an 'afterthought'. That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows first. which is

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a standard perl install. simple as that. Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great? -- Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a standard perl install. simple as that. Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great? but I

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different incompatible AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible. -- dngor Every little bit of seaweed kelps.

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different incompatible AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible. can't

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new license. brev lathos: I just talked to the Komodo lead. He suggests a) don't evaluate Komodo on the Linux version,

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread Dean
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 06:23:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new license. Gah! I just downloaded this and tried to

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: I just downloaded and had a play with the release version 1.0 of Komodo for Windows (The Linux one is still in the RC phase) and i have to say that I'm impressed. Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? I haven't looked at

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. -- The sky already fell. Now what? -- Steven Wright

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:17:37PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python.

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread Dean
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? I haven't looked at it, but will. However, it does look from the web pages as if it requires me to download Activestate's distribution of perl. This is a Bad Thing. If it