Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also many hackers have more business sense than their MDs - look at success of projects started by hackers or engineers versus that of those started by

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Cross
At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy. Sounds good to me. Anyone else up for it? Dave...

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 06:09:32AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy. Sounds good to me.

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but [caveat] [caveat] [caveat] you're (we're ;-) (almost) all alcoholics with personality disorders? Why keep giving the money to the pimps^H^H^H^H^H agencies? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:31:02AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but [caveat] [caveat] [caveat] you're (we're ;-) (almost) all alcoholics with personality disorders? Actually I was thinking more along the lines of me being too damned lazy to

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy. Sounds good to me. Anyone else up for it?

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Neil Ford
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On or about Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:37:27AM +, Steve Mynott typed: RH/Slackware/Debian/Solaris/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD are all fine systems but they need to be setup by someone who knows what they are doing in the same way that Perl has to

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread John
David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 06:09:32AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market right now, just bloody band together and

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* John ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmmm, does sound good though. it all depends what you mean, do you mean a proper consultancy or a bunch of people getting together to share accounting/marketting? if its a proper consultancy, you'd have to wear suits, be polite and be in work for 9 in the

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
"Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2001 11:25 Subject: Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:31:02AM +0

RE: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread dcross - David Cross
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42 What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get anyway? Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the programmer. And the task. Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:55:08PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote: Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted as a Perl programmer for less than 50/hr. Normally I'd estimate at about 500/day. I'd have thought that if we were selling ourselves as top-notch Perl consultants (Dave H's

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42 What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get anyway? Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the programmer.

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:29:20PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:55:08PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote: Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted as a Perl programmer for less than 50/hr. Normally I'd estimate at about 500/day. I'd have thought that if we

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: there is a big question here, do people want to create a small business with a few perl programmers all on largish salaries or do people want to create a proper consulting business aiming to see it grow Both, of course :-) --

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: there is a big question here, do people want to create a small business with a few perl programmers all on largish salaries or do people want to create a proper consulting business

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:16:59 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: there is a big question here, do people want to create a small business with a few perl programmers

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:16:59 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: there is a big question here, do people want to create a

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42 What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get anyway? Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the programmer. And

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:21:45AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:16:59 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: there is a big question here, do

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: There's a difference between what the conslutant gets and what the client pays! not here at 'Redpoint Consulting' there isn't :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Steve Mynott
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also many hackers have more business sense than their MDs - look at success of projects started by hackers or engineers versus that of those started by MBAs or middle managers.. business sense !=